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Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Hi Excalibur developers,
I notice that there is some problem looking for the 3 required +1 to
pass votes for the excalibur releases.
Usually I see votes from Carsten, Jorg and J Aaron Farr. Unfortunately
at this specific issue J Aaron Farr did not replied (don't know if he's
busy/on holidays or anything else). That VOTE as of today is one month old.
Are there only 3 active PMC members? If this is true this would require
attention by the ASF board. If otherwise other PMC members didn't cast
their +1 because they think that a release should not be made then I
step back and you can ignore my message.
I don't know about other ASF projects, but Apache JAMES project still
uses excalibur and cornerstone released artifacts, so I'd like to see
this "procedural" tasks solved in an easier way when someone take take
the time for the technical stuff (like Carsten did).
We also depends on Avalon Phoenix and we had to branch it in our
repository in order to ship updated versions: I would like to avoid
doing this for excalibur and cornerstone libraries at all.
Is there anything I can do to help with this issue?
Thank you,
Stefano
Carsten Ziegeler ha scritto:
> Strange, I never got the original mail :(
>
> +1 for the release
>
> Carsten
>
> Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>> No news from this vote?
>>
>> +1 (not binding)
>>
>> Of course they should be released using maven tools so to have correct
>> POMs and no SNAPSHOT postfix. Otherwise they works fine.
>>
>> Stefano
>>
>> Jorg Heymans ha scritto:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've prepared a new release of the cornerstone jars. This release fixes
>>> 2 things:
>>>
>>> - missing xinfo files (as reported by Stefano Bagnara)
>>> - remove schema declaration from xinfo files (as reported by Stefano
>>> Bagnara, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/EXLBR-30)
>>>
>>> The binaries are available here [1]. I already received prior feedback
>>> from Stefano that they work fine for his project.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please cast your votes!
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jorg
>>>
>>> [1] http://people.apache.org/~jheymans/releases/
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
Thomas Vandahl wrote:
> Hi Carsten,
>
> Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>> Thomas Vandahl wrote:
>>
>>> The Turbine sub-project Fulcrum uses Avalon as its component technology
>>> of choice. In this way, we are also dependent on Excalibur and
>>> interested in its well-being. If we can be of help, please let us know.
>>>
>>
>> Ah, great - so if you or anyone else is interested in becoming an
>> excalibur committer and pmc member please let us know and I'll start
>> another vote :)
>
> To make myself clear: Yes, I'm interested. I'm forwarding this offer to
> the other Turbine folks, if you don't mind.
>
Yes, that's fine!
I'll start a vote sometime next week.
Carsten
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
Thomas Vandahl wrote:
> Hi Carsten,
>
> Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>> Thomas Vandahl wrote:
>>
>>> The Turbine sub-project Fulcrum uses Avalon as its component technology
>>> of choice. In this way, we are also dependent on Excalibur and
>>> interested in its well-being. If we can be of help, please let us know.
>>>
>>
>> Ah, great - so if you or anyone else is interested in becoming an
>> excalibur committer and pmc member please let us know and I'll start
>> another vote :)
>
> To make myself clear: Yes, I'm interested. I'm forwarding this offer to
> the other Turbine folks, if you don't mind.
>
Yes, that's fine!
I'll start a vote sometime next week.
Carsten
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Thomas Vandahl <th...@tewisoft.de>.
Hi Carsten,
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Thomas Vandahl wrote:
>
>>The Turbine sub-project Fulcrum uses Avalon as its component technology
>>of choice. In this way, we are also dependent on Excalibur and
>>interested in its well-being. If we can be of help, please let us know.
>>
>
> Ah, great - so if you or anyone else is interested in becoming an
> excalibur committer and pmc member please let us know and I'll start
> another vote :)
To make myself clear: Yes, I'm interested. I'm forwarding this offer to
the other Turbine folks, if you don't mind.
Bye, Thomas.
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Thomas Vandahl <th...@tewisoft.de>.
Hi Carsten,
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Thomas Vandahl wrote:
>
>>The Turbine sub-project Fulcrum uses Avalon as its component technology
>>of choice. In this way, we are also dependent on Excalibur and
>>interested in its well-being. If we can be of help, please let us know.
>>
>
> Ah, great - so if you or anyone else is interested in becoming an
> excalibur committer and pmc member please let us know and I'll start
> another vote :)
To make myself clear: Yes, I'm interested. I'm forwarding this offer to
the other Turbine folks, if you don't mind.
Bye, Thomas.
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Thomas Vandahl <th...@tewisoft.de>.
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Ah, great - so if you or anyone else is interested in becoming an
> excalibur committer and pmc member please let us know and I'll start
> another vote :)
I'm not actually sure if I can contribute something useful but I'm
willing to help to keep this project alive. So feel free to nominate me.
Bye, Thomas.
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
Thomas Vandahl wrote:
> The Turbine sub-project Fulcrum uses Avalon as its component technology
> of choice. In this way, we are also dependent on Excalibur and
> interested in its well-being. If we can be of help, please let us know.
>
Ah, great - so if you or anyone else is interested in becoming an
excalibur committer and pmc member please let us know and I'll start
another vote :)
Thanks
Carsten
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Thomas Vandahl <th...@tewisoft.de>.
Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> I think many JAMES PMC members have some sort of knowledge on the
> cornerstone/excalibur libraries because we depend on them since the
> beginning. I suggest you to ask also to the Cocoon PMC as AFAIK their
> latest stable still have excalibur dependencies (is there any other ASF
> project depending on excalibur?).
The Turbine sub-project Fulcrum uses Avalon as its component technology
of choice. In this way, we are also dependent on Excalibur and
interested in its well-being. If we can be of help, please let us know.
Bye, Thomas.
(Turbine PMC Member)
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>
> I don't have big interest/knowledge in the excalibur community, so I
> could probably help a mainly with decisions regarding components we use
> in JAMES. That said, if this is the step needed to try to keep excalibur
> alive I'm willing to help, for sure.
Great! I'll start a vote.
>
> I think many JAMES PMC members have some sort of knowledge on the
> cornerstone/excalibur libraries because we depend on them since the
> beginning. I suggest you to ask also to the Cocoon PMC as AFAIK their
> latest stable still have excalibur dependencies (is there any other ASF
> project depending on excalibur?).
Yes, we opened excalibur for Cocoon long time ago. Apart from james and
cocoon I guess/fear there is no other project using this stuff here.
>
> You should also be aware that a long term plan for JAMES is to remove
> excalibur/cornerstone as a dependency (as we try to move away from
> avalon, too), but this is not planned for tomorrow, so any solution that
> will help excalibur for a while is welcome.
Same with Cocoon :)
>
Carsten
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
Stefano Bagnara schrieb:
> Carsten Ziegeler ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Stefano,
>>
>> we recently discussed this problem briefly in the pmc mailing list. The
>> overall situation is very disappointing right now (and of course
>> frustrating).
>>
>> I think there are two possibilites: close down excalibur and move the
>> code to the community who is interested in it - or do the opposite and
>> try to get the community using this stuff more involved in Excalibur (or
>> one of its sub projects).
>>
>> While the first solution is rather dramatic currently unclear to me
>> (where to move which code etc.) I think we should try the second way
>> first. So my question is if you (or someone else from the james project)
>> is interested in becoming both, a committer and a pmc member of excalibur?
>>
>
> I don't have big interest/knowledge in the excalibur community, so I
> could probably help a mainly with decisions regarding components we use
> in JAMES. That said, if this is the step needed to try to keep excalibur
> alive I'm willing to help, for sure.
</snip>
Same here. If it help I can step in too.
bye
Norman
Ps: My time is very limited in the moment
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Ralph Goers <Ra...@dslextreme.com>.
Even with migrating away from Excalibur, there are a few components that
are interesting. I'm using source validities and the sourse resolver in
my own project.
Ralph
Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>
> I don't have big interest/knowledge in the excalibur community, so I
> could probably help a mainly with decisions regarding components we use
> in JAMES. That said, if this is the step needed to try to keep excalibur
> alive I'm willing to help, for sure.
>
> I think many JAMES PMC members have some sort of knowledge on the
> cornerstone/excalibur libraries because we depend on them since the
> beginning. I suggest you to ask also to the Cocoon PMC as AFAIK their
> latest stable still have excalibur dependencies (is there any other ASF
> project depending on excalibur?).
>
> You should also be aware that a long term plan for JAMES is to remove
> excalibur/cornerstone as a dependency (as we try to move away from
> avalon, too), but this is not planned for tomorrow, so any solution that
> will help excalibur for a while is welcome.
>
> Stefano
>
> PS: closing excalibur is not a solution for JAMES and Cocoon, so let's
> work to keep it alive :-)
>
>
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Carsten Ziegeler ha scritto:
> Hi Stefano,
>
> we recently discussed this problem briefly in the pmc mailing list. The
> overall situation is very disappointing right now (and of course
> frustrating).
>
> I think there are two possibilites: close down excalibur and move the
> code to the community who is interested in it - or do the opposite and
> try to get the community using this stuff more involved in Excalibur (or
> one of its sub projects).
>
> While the first solution is rather dramatic currently unclear to me
> (where to move which code etc.) I think we should try the second way
> first. So my question is if you (or someone else from the james project)
> is interested in becoming both, a committer and a pmc member of excalibur?
I don't have big interest/knowledge in the excalibur community, so I
could probably help a mainly with decisions regarding components we use
in JAMES. That said, if this is the step needed to try to keep excalibur
alive I'm willing to help, for sure.
I think many JAMES PMC members have some sort of knowledge on the
cornerstone/excalibur libraries because we depend on them since the
beginning. I suggest you to ask also to the Cocoon PMC as AFAIK their
latest stable still have excalibur dependencies (is there any other ASF
project depending on excalibur?).
You should also be aware that a long term plan for JAMES is to remove
excalibur/cornerstone as a dependency (as we try to move away from
avalon, too), but this is not planned for tomorrow, so any solution that
will help excalibur for a while is welcome.
Stefano
PS: closing excalibur is not a solution for JAMES and Cocoon, so let's
work to keep it alive :-)
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Carsten Ziegeler ha scritto:
> Hi Stefano,
>
> we recently discussed this problem briefly in the pmc mailing list. The
> overall situation is very disappointing right now (and of course
> frustrating).
>
> I think there are two possibilites: close down excalibur and move the
> code to the community who is interested in it - or do the opposite and
> try to get the community using this stuff more involved in Excalibur (or
> one of its sub projects).
>
> While the first solution is rather dramatic currently unclear to me
> (where to move which code etc.) I think we should try the second way
> first. So my question is if you (or someone else from the james project)
> is interested in becoming both, a committer and a pmc member of excalibur?
I don't have big interest/knowledge in the excalibur community, so I
could probably help a mainly with decisions regarding components we use
in JAMES. That said, if this is the step needed to try to keep excalibur
alive I'm willing to help, for sure.
I think many JAMES PMC members have some sort of knowledge on the
cornerstone/excalibur libraries because we depend on them since the
beginning. I suggest you to ask also to the Cocoon PMC as AFAIK their
latest stable still have excalibur dependencies (is there any other ASF
project depending on excalibur?).
You should also be aware that a long term plan for JAMES is to remove
excalibur/cornerstone as a dependency (as we try to move away from
avalon, too), but this is not planned for tomorrow, so any solution that
will help excalibur for a while is welcome.
Stefano
PS: closing excalibur is not a solution for JAMES and Cocoon, so let's
work to keep it alive :-)
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
Ralph Goers wrote:
> Carsten,
>
> It is rather strange to do this, but I volunteer to be added as a
> committer and PMC member here.
>
I don't think that this is "strange" :) I think we can use all the help
we can get here at excalibur so every volunteer is appreciated.
Thanks
Carsten
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Ralph Goers <Ra...@dslextreme.com>.
Carsten,
It is rather strange to do this, but I volunteer to be added as a
committer and PMC member here.
Ralph
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Hi Stefano,
>
> we recently discussed this problem briefly in the pmc mailing list. The
> overall situation is very disappointing right now (and of course
> frustrating).
>
> I think there are two possibilites: close down excalibur and move the
> code to the community who is interested in it - or do the opposite and
> try to get the community using this stuff more involved in Excalibur (or
> one of its sub projects).
>
> While the first solution is rather dramatic currently unclear to me
> (where to move which code etc.) I think we should try the second way
> first. So my question is if you (or someone else from the james project)
> is interested in becoming both, a committer and a pmc member of excalibur?
>
> Carsten
>
>
>
>
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
Hi Stefano,
we recently discussed this problem briefly in the pmc mailing list. The
overall situation is very disappointing right now (and of course
frustrating).
I think there are two possibilites: close down excalibur and move the
code to the community who is interested in it - or do the opposite and
try to get the community using this stuff more involved in Excalibur (or
one of its sub projects).
While the first solution is rather dramatic currently unclear to me
(where to move which code etc.) I think we should try the second way
first. So my question is if you (or someone else from the james project)
is interested in becoming both, a committer and a pmc member of excalibur?
Carsten
Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> Hi Excalibur developers,
>
> I notice that there is some problem looking for the 3 required +1 to
> pass votes for the excalibur releases.
>
> Usually I see votes from Carsten, Jorg and J Aaron Farr. Unfortunately
> at this specific issue J Aaron Farr did not replied (don't know if he's
> busy/on holidays or anything else). That VOTE as of today is one month old.
>
> Are there only 3 active PMC members? If this is true this would require
> attention by the ASF board. If otherwise other PMC members didn't cast
> their +1 because they think that a release should not be made then I
> step back and you can ignore my message.
>
> I don't know about other ASF projects, but Apache JAMES project still
> uses excalibur and cornerstone released artifacts, so I'd like to see
> this "procedural" tasks solved in an easier way when someone take take
> the time for the technical stuff (like Carsten did).
>
> We also depends on Avalon Phoenix and we had to branch it in our
> repository in order to ship updated versions: I would like to avoid
> doing this for excalibur and cornerstone libraries at all.
>
> Is there anything I can do to help with this issue?
>
> Thank you,
> Stefano
>
> Carsten Ziegeler ha scritto:
>> Strange, I never got the original mail :(
>>
>> +1 for the release
>>
>> Carsten
>>
>> Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>>> No news from this vote?
>>>
>>> +1 (not binding)
>>>
>>> Of course they should be released using maven tools so to have correct
>>> POMs and no SNAPSHOT postfix. Otherwise they works fine.
>>>
>>> Stefano
>>>
>>> Jorg Heymans ha scritto:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've prepared a new release of the cornerstone jars. This release fixes
>>>> 2 things:
>>>>
>>>> - missing xinfo files (as reported by Stefano Bagnara)
>>>> - remove schema declaration from xinfo files (as reported by Stefano
>>>> Bagnara, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/EXLBR-30)
>>>>
>>>> The binaries are available here [1]. I already received prior feedback
>>>> from Stefano that they work fine for his project.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please cast your votes!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Jorg
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://people.apache.org/~jheymans/releases/
>
>
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Re: Excalibur votes (Was: [VOTE] new cornerstone libraries)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
Hi Stefano,
we recently discussed this problem briefly in the pmc mailing list. The
overall situation is very disappointing right now (and of course
frustrating).
I think there are two possibilites: close down excalibur and move the
code to the community who is interested in it - or do the opposite and
try to get the community using this stuff more involved in Excalibur (or
one of its sub projects).
While the first solution is rather dramatic currently unclear to me
(where to move which code etc.) I think we should try the second way
first. So my question is if you (or someone else from the james project)
is interested in becoming both, a committer and a pmc member of excalibur?
Carsten
Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> Hi Excalibur developers,
>
> I notice that there is some problem looking for the 3 required +1 to
> pass votes for the excalibur releases.
>
> Usually I see votes from Carsten, Jorg and J Aaron Farr. Unfortunately
> at this specific issue J Aaron Farr did not replied (don't know if he's
> busy/on holidays or anything else). That VOTE as of today is one month old.
>
> Are there only 3 active PMC members? If this is true this would require
> attention by the ASF board. If otherwise other PMC members didn't cast
> their +1 because they think that a release should not be made then I
> step back and you can ignore my message.
>
> I don't know about other ASF projects, but Apache JAMES project still
> uses excalibur and cornerstone released artifacts, so I'd like to see
> this "procedural" tasks solved in an easier way when someone take take
> the time for the technical stuff (like Carsten did).
>
> We also depends on Avalon Phoenix and we had to branch it in our
> repository in order to ship updated versions: I would like to avoid
> doing this for excalibur and cornerstone libraries at all.
>
> Is there anything I can do to help with this issue?
>
> Thank you,
> Stefano
>
> Carsten Ziegeler ha scritto:
>> Strange, I never got the original mail :(
>>
>> +1 for the release
>>
>> Carsten
>>
>> Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>>> No news from this vote?
>>>
>>> +1 (not binding)
>>>
>>> Of course they should be released using maven tools so to have correct
>>> POMs and no SNAPSHOT postfix. Otherwise they works fine.
>>>
>>> Stefano
>>>
>>> Jorg Heymans ha scritto:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've prepared a new release of the cornerstone jars. This release fixes
>>>> 2 things:
>>>>
>>>> - missing xinfo files (as reported by Stefano Bagnara)
>>>> - remove schema declaration from xinfo files (as reported by Stefano
>>>> Bagnara, https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/EXLBR-30)
>>>>
>>>> The binaries are available here [1]. I already received prior feedback
>>>> from Stefano that they work fine for his project.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please cast your votes!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Jorg
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://people.apache.org/~jheymans/releases/
>
>
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