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Posted to users@cxf.apache.org by robert <ro...@gliesian.com> on 2010/12/12 04:28:49 UTC
CXF in Action
I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for
it?
-- Robert
Re: CXF in Action
Posted by Yiannis Mavroukakis <im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>.
Well, not that simple :) Would I like to contribute (gratis, I hasten to
add) ? Hell yes. Am I knowledgable enough about CXF? Only to the point of
using it in my corporation...
Y.
On 13 December 2010 21:12, Gary Gregory <GG...@seagullsoftware.com>wrote:
> Thank you for the feedback.
>
> I am going to wait a day or so (I am getting ready to move) and see if
> anyone raises their hands with some "I want to be a writer!" enthusiasm.
>
> I do not see this moving forward without some active authors. If not, that
> all fine with me.
>
> Gary
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 16:06
> > To: users@cxf.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: CXF in Action
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > I would propose putting together a table of contents, posting it to the
> > mailing list and see if anyone is willing to tackle any of the chapters
> > you have outlined.
> >
> > If you have enough interest, move the TOC along with a proposal to
> > Manning.
> >
> > If noone is interest, or there isn't enough interest, just scratch the
> > project altogether....
> >
> > 'nothing ventured, nothing gained.
> >
> > -- Robert
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:29:43 +0000, Gary Gregory
> > <GG...@seagullsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > If one or more knowledgeable CXFers are interested in writing an In
> > > Action book, let me know and I can help move the ball forward.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
> > >> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:38
> > >> To: users@cxf.apache.org
> > >> Subject: RE: CXF in Action
> > >>
> > >> Whoa... I didn't say that either... as I think the book "should" be
> > >> written.
> > >>
> > >> It starts with a table of contents (or really, a feasibility study)...
> > >> if it's determined that the end user can gain value from such a book
> > >> (and content layout) and there is some type of market/demand for it...
> > >> it should be on the shelf.
> > >>
> > >> As a point of interest, other SOA domain books such as "ActiveMQ in
> > >> Action" and "Camel in Action" are being released. "CXF in Action" and
> > >> "ServiceMix in Action" would compliment the series.
> > >>
> > >> In regards to monetary return, if you bought the best computer on the
> > >> market to write the book (not that you'd need it)... you would
> probably
> > >> make less money through royalties on the book than the cost of the
> > >> computer. That is, you'd be in the red.
> > >>
> > >> So, if noone is interested in basically writing the book for free...
> > >> they should not even consider it.
> > >>
> > >> Again though, I would buy it and informally review it prior to
> release.
> > >>
> > >> -- Robert
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:18:10 -0700, Ron Grimes
> > >> <rg...@sinclairoil.com> wrote:
> > >> > Or, if you are a cheap s.o.b., like me, you just go to the
> publishers
> > >> > site where they always have the source code from the book's
> examples,
> > >> > and you can download them for free. That's all I really want anyway.
> I
> > >> > don't want to read 500 pages. Give me a few examples and I'm ready
> to
> > >> > go. If I want the architectural view, I can usually get that online.
> > >> >
> > >> > I agree with Robert. I have no idea why anyone would invest the time
> > >> > to write these books. By the time you're done, several releases or
> > >> > maybe a new version, have come out. Takes at least a year to write
> > >> > one, and then it has maybe a two year life span before it's
> obsolete.
> > >> >
> > >> > Ron Grimes
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
> > >> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:51 AM
> > >> > To: users@cxf.apache.org
> > >> > Subject: Re: CXF in Action
> > >> >
> > >> > No, I do not want to write the book, I am several years behind the
> > >> > curve with CXF.
> > >> >
> > >> > As such, I have no business even being a co-author or even a formal
> > >> > reviewer. But I would be an informal reviewer without receiving any
> > >> > credit.
> > >> >
> > >> > There is no doubt in my mind that this book should exist, for many
> > >> > reasons.
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, there is very little (I stress little) money in writing books,
> and
> > >> > it requires a great deal of time. The benefit goes to the consumers
> of
> > >> > the book, not to the authors outside of knowing that they are
> bringing
> > >> > extended value to the CXF community and the CXF product.
> > >> >
> > >> > If someone manages the project and the chapters are broken up
> between
> > >> > three or four people, you could get the book through first writes in
> a
> > >> > handful of months, not years.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm just trying to be helpful here with the suggestion of "CXF in
> > >> > Action".
> > >> >
> > >> > If anyone moves forward with this, I'll be active as an informal
> > >> > reviewing in the MEAP program.
> > >> >
> > >> > -- Robert
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500, Glen Mazza <
> glen.mazza@gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF,
> > >> >> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP
> or
> > >> >> REST web services.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects
> > >> >> because it implements specifications that are already defined
> > >> >> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also,
> there
> > >> >> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online
> > >> >> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have
> such
> > >> >> books.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be
> > >> >> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I
> say!--ultimately
> > >> >> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a
> book.
> > >> >> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money
> > >> >> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books
> because
> > >> >> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional
> > >> >> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that
> gets
> > >> >> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the
> > >> >> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender.
> Absent
> > >> >> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You
> can
> > >> >> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn
> it,
> > >> >> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of
> writing a
> > >> >> book while taking far less time.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Glen
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
> > >> >>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of
> trees
> > it
> > >> would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically
> at a
> > >> global level :)
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though
> that
> > any
> > >> of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy
> and
> > time
> > >> into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Craig.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
> > >> >>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in
> Action".
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> -- Robert
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
> > >> >>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>>> Me too!
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<
> imavroukakis@gameaccountnetwork.com>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any
> plans
> > for
> > >> it?
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> -- Robert
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>
>
>
RE: CXF in Action
Posted by Gary Gregory <GG...@seagullsoftware.com>.
Thank you for the feedback.
I am going to wait a day or so (I am getting ready to move) and see if anyone raises their hands with some "I want to be a writer!" enthusiasm.
I do not see this moving forward without some active authors. If not, that all fine with me.
Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 16:06
> To: users@cxf.apache.org
> Subject: RE: CXF in Action
>
> Gary,
>
> I would propose putting together a table of contents, posting it to the
> mailing list and see if anyone is willing to tackle any of the chapters
> you have outlined.
>
> If you have enough interest, move the TOC along with a proposal to
> Manning.
>
> If noone is interest, or there isn't enough interest, just scratch the
> project altogether....
>
> 'nothing ventured, nothing gained.
>
> -- Robert
>
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:29:43 +0000, Gary Gregory
> <GG...@seagullsoftware.com> wrote:
> > If one or more knowledgeable CXFers are interested in writing an In
> > Action book, let me know and I can help move the ball forward.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:38
> >> To: users@cxf.apache.org
> >> Subject: RE: CXF in Action
> >>
> >> Whoa... I didn't say that either... as I think the book "should" be
> >> written.
> >>
> >> It starts with a table of contents (or really, a feasibility study)...
> >> if it's determined that the end user can gain value from such a book
> >> (and content layout) and there is some type of market/demand for it...
> >> it should be on the shelf.
> >>
> >> As a point of interest, other SOA domain books such as "ActiveMQ in
> >> Action" and "Camel in Action" are being released. "CXF in Action" and
> >> "ServiceMix in Action" would compliment the series.
> >>
> >> In regards to monetary return, if you bought the best computer on the
> >> market to write the book (not that you'd need it)... you would probably
> >> make less money through royalties on the book than the cost of the
> >> computer. That is, you'd be in the red.
> >>
> >> So, if noone is interested in basically writing the book for free...
> >> they should not even consider it.
> >>
> >> Again though, I would buy it and informally review it prior to release.
> >>
> >> -- Robert
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:18:10 -0700, Ron Grimes
> >> <rg...@sinclairoil.com> wrote:
> >> > Or, if you are a cheap s.o.b., like me, you just go to the publishers
> >> > site where they always have the source code from the book's examples,
> >> > and you can download them for free. That's all I really want anyway. I
> >> > don't want to read 500 pages. Give me a few examples and I'm ready to
> >> > go. If I want the architectural view, I can usually get that online.
> >> >
> >> > I agree with Robert. I have no idea why anyone would invest the time
> >> > to write these books. By the time you're done, several releases or
> >> > maybe a new version, have come out. Takes at least a year to write
> >> > one, and then it has maybe a two year life span before it's obsolete.
> >> >
> >> > Ron Grimes
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:51 AM
> >> > To: users@cxf.apache.org
> >> > Subject: Re: CXF in Action
> >> >
> >> > No, I do not want to write the book, I am several years behind the
> >> > curve with CXF.
> >> >
> >> > As such, I have no business even being a co-author or even a formal
> >> > reviewer. But I would be an informal reviewer without receiving any
> >> > credit.
> >> >
> >> > There is no doubt in my mind that this book should exist, for many
> >> > reasons.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, there is very little (I stress little) money in writing books, and
> >> > it requires a great deal of time. The benefit goes to the consumers of
> >> > the book, not to the authors outside of knowing that they are bringing
> >> > extended value to the CXF community and the CXF product.
> >> >
> >> > If someone manages the project and the chapters are broken up between
> >> > three or four people, you could get the book through first writes in a
> >> > handful of months, not years.
> >> >
> >> > I'm just trying to be helpful here with the suggestion of "CXF in
> >> > Action".
> >> >
> >> > If anyone moves forward with this, I'll be active as an informal
> >> > reviewing in the MEAP program.
> >> >
> >> > -- Robert
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF,
> >> >> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or
> >> >> REST web services.
> >> >>
> >> >> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects
> >> >> because it implements specifications that are already defined
> >> >> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there
> >> >> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online
> >> >> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have such
> >> >> books.
> >> >>
> >> >> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be
> >> >> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately
> >> >> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book.
> >> >> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money
> >> >> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books because
> >> >> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional
> >> >> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that gets
> >> >> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the
> >> >> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender. Absent
> >> >> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You can
> >> >> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn it,
> >> >> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of writing a
> >> >> book while taking far less time.
> >> >>
> >> >> Glen
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
> >> >>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees
> it
> >> would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a
> >> global level :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that
> any
> >> of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and
> time
> >> into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Craig.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
> >> >>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- Robert
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
> >> >>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>> Me too!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans
> for
> >> it?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> -- Robert
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>
RE: CXF in Action
Posted by robert <ro...@gliesian.com>.
Gary,
I would propose putting together a table of contents, posting it to the
mailing list and see if anyone is willing to tackle any of the chapters
you have outlined.
If you have enough interest, move the TOC along with a proposal to
Manning.
If noone is interest, or there isn't enough interest, just scratch the
project altogether....
'nothing ventured, nothing gained.
-- Robert
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:29:43 +0000, Gary Gregory
<GG...@seagullsoftware.com> wrote:
> If one or more knowledgeable CXFers are interested in writing an In
> Action book, let me know and I can help move the ball forward.
>
> Gary
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:38
>> To: users@cxf.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: CXF in Action
>>
>> Whoa... I didn't say that either... as I think the book "should" be
>> written.
>>
>> It starts with a table of contents (or really, a feasibility study)...
>> if it's determined that the end user can gain value from such a book
>> (and content layout) and there is some type of market/demand for it...
>> it should be on the shelf.
>>
>> As a point of interest, other SOA domain books such as "ActiveMQ in
>> Action" and "Camel in Action" are being released. "CXF in Action" and
>> "ServiceMix in Action" would compliment the series.
>>
>> In regards to monetary return, if you bought the best computer on the
>> market to write the book (not that you'd need it)... you would probably
>> make less money through royalties on the book than the cost of the
>> computer. That is, you'd be in the red.
>>
>> So, if noone is interested in basically writing the book for free...
>> they should not even consider it.
>>
>> Again though, I would buy it and informally review it prior to release.
>>
>> -- Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:18:10 -0700, Ron Grimes
>> <rg...@sinclairoil.com> wrote:
>> > Or, if you are a cheap s.o.b., like me, you just go to the publishers
>> > site where they always have the source code from the book's examples,
>> > and you can download them for free. That's all I really want anyway. I
>> > don't want to read 500 pages. Give me a few examples and I'm ready to
>> > go. If I want the architectural view, I can usually get that online.
>> >
>> > I agree with Robert. I have no idea why anyone would invest the time
>> > to write these books. By the time you're done, several releases or
>> > maybe a new version, have come out. Takes at least a year to write
>> > one, and then it has maybe a two year life span before it's obsolete.
>> >
>> > Ron Grimes
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:51 AM
>> > To: users@cxf.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: CXF in Action
>> >
>> > No, I do not want to write the book, I am several years behind the
>> > curve with CXF.
>> >
>> > As such, I have no business even being a co-author or even a formal
>> > reviewer. But I would be an informal reviewer without receiving any
>> > credit.
>> >
>> > There is no doubt in my mind that this book should exist, for many
>> > reasons.
>> >
>> > Yes, there is very little (I stress little) money in writing books, and
>> > it requires a great deal of time. The benefit goes to the consumers of
>> > the book, not to the authors outside of knowing that they are bringing
>> > extended value to the CXF community and the CXF product.
>> >
>> > If someone manages the project and the chapters are broken up between
>> > three or four people, you could get the book through first writes in a
>> > handful of months, not years.
>> >
>> > I'm just trying to be helpful here with the suggestion of "CXF in
>> > Action".
>> >
>> > If anyone moves forward with this, I'll be active as an informal
>> > reviewing in the MEAP program.
>> >
>> > -- Robert
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF,
>> >> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or
>> >> REST web services.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects
>> >> because it implements specifications that are already defined
>> >> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there
>> >> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online
>> >> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have such
>> >> books.
>> >>
>> >> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be
>> >> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately
>> >> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book.
>> >> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money
>> >> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books because
>> >> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional
>> >> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that gets
>> >> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the
>> >> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender. Absent
>> >> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You can
>> >> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn it,
>> >> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of writing a
>> >> book while taking far less time.
>> >>
>> >> Glen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
>> >>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees it
>> would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a
>> global level :)
>> >>>
>> >>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that any
>> of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and time
>> into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard.
>> >>>
>> >>> Craig.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
>> >>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Robert
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
>> >>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Me too!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for
>> it?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -- Robert
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>
RE: CXF in Action
Posted by Gary Gregory <GG...@seagullsoftware.com>.
If one or more knowledgeable CXFers are interested in writing an In Action book, let me know and I can help move the ball forward.
Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:38
> To: users@cxf.apache.org
> Subject: RE: CXF in Action
>
> Whoa... I didn't say that either... as I think the book "should" be
> written.
>
> It starts with a table of contents (or really, a feasibility study)...
> if it's determined that the end user can gain value from such a book
> (and content layout) and there is some type of market/demand for it...
> it should be on the shelf.
>
> As a point of interest, other SOA domain books such as "ActiveMQ in
> Action" and "Camel in Action" are being released. "CXF in Action" and
> "ServiceMix in Action" would compliment the series.
>
> In regards to monetary return, if you bought the best computer on the
> market to write the book (not that you'd need it)... you would probably
> make less money through royalties on the book than the cost of the
> computer. That is, you'd be in the red.
>
> So, if noone is interested in basically writing the book for free...
> they should not even consider it.
>
> Again though, I would buy it and informally review it prior to release.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:18:10 -0700, Ron Grimes
> <rg...@sinclairoil.com> wrote:
> > Or, if you are a cheap s.o.b., like me, you just go to the publishers
> > site where they always have the source code from the book's examples,
> > and you can download them for free. That's all I really want anyway. I
> > don't want to read 500 pages. Give me a few examples and I'm ready to
> > go. If I want the architectural view, I can usually get that online.
> >
> > I agree with Robert. I have no idea why anyone would invest the time
> > to write these books. By the time you're done, several releases or
> > maybe a new version, have come out. Takes at least a year to write
> > one, and then it has maybe a two year life span before it's obsolete.
> >
> > Ron Grimes
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:51 AM
> > To: users@cxf.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: CXF in Action
> >
> > No, I do not want to write the book, I am several years behind the
> > curve with CXF.
> >
> > As such, I have no business even being a co-author or even a formal
> > reviewer. But I would be an informal reviewer without receiving any
> > credit.
> >
> > There is no doubt in my mind that this book should exist, for many
> > reasons.
> >
> > Yes, there is very little (I stress little) money in writing books, and
> > it requires a great deal of time. The benefit goes to the consumers of
> > the book, not to the authors outside of knowing that they are bringing
> > extended value to the CXF community and the CXF product.
> >
> > If someone manages the project and the chapters are broken up between
> > three or four people, you could get the book through first writes in a
> > handful of months, not years.
> >
> > I'm just trying to be helpful here with the suggestion of "CXF in
> > Action".
> >
> > If anyone moves forward with this, I'll be active as an informal
> > reviewing in the MEAP program.
> >
> > -- Robert
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF,
> >> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or
> >> REST web services.
> >>
> >> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects
> >> because it implements specifications that are already defined
> >> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there
> >> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online
> >> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have such
> >> books.
> >>
> >> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be
> >> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately
> >> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book.
> >> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money
> >> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books because
> >> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional
> >> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that gets
> >> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the
> >> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender. Absent
> >> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You can
> >> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn it,
> >> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of writing a
> >> book while taking far less time.
> >>
> >> Glen
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
> >>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees it
> would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a
> global level :)
> >>>
> >>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that any
> of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and time
> into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard.
> >>>
> >>> Craig.
> >>>
> >>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
> >>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Robert
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
> >>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Me too!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for
> it?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Robert
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
RE: CXF in Action
Posted by robert <ro...@gliesian.com>.
Whoa... I didn't say that either... as I think the book "should" be
written.
It starts with a table of contents (or really, a feasibility study)...
if it's determined that the end user can gain value from such a book
(and content layout) and there is some type of market/demand for it...
it should be on the shelf.
As a point of interest, other SOA domain books such as "ActiveMQ in
Action" and "Camel in Action" are being released. "CXF in Action" and
"ServiceMix in Action" would compliment the series.
In regards to monetary return, if you bought the best computer on the
market to write the book (not that you'd need it)... you would probably
make less money through royalties on the book than the cost of the
computer. That is, you'd be in the red.
So, if noone is interested in basically writing the book for free...
they should not even consider it.
Again though, I would buy it and informally review it prior to release.
-- Robert
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:18:10 -0700, Ron Grimes
<rg...@sinclairoil.com> wrote:
> Or, if you are a cheap s.o.b., like me, you just go to the publishers
> site where they always have the source code from the book's examples,
> and you can download them for free. That's all I really want anyway. I
> don't want to read 500 pages. Give me a few examples and I'm ready to
> go. If I want the architectural view, I can usually get that online.
>
> I agree with Robert. I have no idea why anyone would invest the time
> to write these books. By the time you're done, several releases or
> maybe a new version, have come out. Takes at least a year to write
> one, and then it has maybe a two year life span before it's obsolete.
>
> Ron Grimes
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:51 AM
> To: users@cxf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: CXF in Action
>
> No, I do not want to write the book, I am several years behind the
> curve with CXF.
>
> As such, I have no business even being a co-author or even a formal
> reviewer. But I would be an informal reviewer without receiving any
> credit.
>
> There is no doubt in my mind that this book should exist, for many
> reasons.
>
> Yes, there is very little (I stress little) money in writing books, and
> it requires a great deal of time. The benefit goes to the consumers of
> the book, not to the authors outside of knowing that they are bringing
> extended value to the CXF community and the CXF product.
>
> If someone manages the project and the chapters are broken up between
> three or four people, you could get the book through first writes in a
> handful of months, not years.
>
> I'm just trying to be helpful here with the suggestion of "CXF in
> Action".
>
> If anyone moves forward with this, I'll be active as an informal
> reviewing in the MEAP program.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF,
>> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or
>> REST web services.
>>
>> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects
>> because it implements specifications that are already defined
>> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there
>> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online
>> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have such
>> books.
>>
>> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be
>> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately
>> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book.
>> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money
>> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books because
>> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional
>> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that gets
>> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the
>> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender. Absent
>> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You can
>> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn it,
>> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of writing a
>> book while taking far less time.
>>
>> Glen
>>
>>
>> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
>>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees it would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a global level :)
>>>
>>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that any of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and time into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard.
>>>
>>> Craig.
>>>
>>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
>>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
>>>>
>>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
>>>>
>>>> -- Robert
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
>>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Me too!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
RE: CXF in Action
Posted by Ron Grimes <rg...@sinclairoil.com>.
Or, if you are a cheap s.o.b., like me, you just go to the publishers site where they always have the source code from the book's examples, and you can download them for free. That's all I really want anyway. I don't want to read 500 pages. Give me a few examples and I'm ready to go. If I want the architectural view, I can usually get that online.
I agree with Robert. I have no idea why anyone would invest the time to write these books. By the time you're done, several releases or maybe a new version, have come out. Takes at least a year to write one, and then it has maybe a two year life span before it's obsolete.
Ron Grimes
-----Original Message-----
From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:51 AM
To: users@cxf.apache.org
Subject: Re: CXF in Action
No, I do not want to write the book, I am several years behind the
curve with CXF.
As such, I have no business even being a co-author or even a formal
reviewer. But I would be an informal reviewer without receiving any
credit.
There is no doubt in my mind that this book should exist, for many
reasons.
Yes, there is very little (I stress little) money in writing books, and
it requires a great deal of time. The benefit goes to the consumers of
the book, not to the authors outside of knowing that they are bringing
extended value to the CXF community and the CXF product.
If someone manages the project and the chapters are broken up between
three or four people, you could get the book through first writes in a
handful of months, not years.
I'm just trying to be helpful here with the suggestion of "CXF in
Action".
If anyone moves forward with this, I'll be active as an informal
reviewing in the MEAP program.
-- Robert
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF,
> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or
> REST web services.
>
> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects
> because it implements specifications that are already defined
> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there
> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online
> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have such
> books.
>
> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be
> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately
> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book.
> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money
> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books because
> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional
> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that gets
> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the
> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender. Absent
> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You can
> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn it,
> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of writing a
> book while taking far less time.
>
> Glen
>
>
> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees it would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a global level :)
>>
>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that any of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and time into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard.
>>
>> Craig.
>>
>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
>>
>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
>>>
>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
>>>
>>> -- Robert
>>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Me too!
>>>>
>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
Re: CXF in Action
Posted by robert <ro...@gliesian.com>.
No, I do not want to write the book, I am several years behind the
curve with CXF.
As such, I have no business even being a co-author or even a formal
reviewer. But I would be an informal reviewer without receiving any
credit.
There is no doubt in my mind that this book should exist, for many
reasons.
Yes, there is very little (I stress little) money in writing books, and
it requires a great deal of time. The benefit goes to the consumers of
the book, not to the authors outside of knowing that they are bringing
extended value to the CXF community and the CXF product.
If someone manages the project and the chapters are broken up between
three or four people, you could get the book through first writes in a
handful of months, not years.
I'm just trying to be helpful here with the suggestion of "CXF in
Action".
If anyone moves forward with this, I'll be active as an informal
reviewing in the MEAP program.
-- Robert
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF,
> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or
> REST web services.
>
> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects
> because it implements specifications that are already defined
> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there
> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online
> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have such
> books.
>
> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be
> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately
> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book.
> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money
> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books because
> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional
> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that gets
> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the
> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender. Absent
> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You can
> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn it,
> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of writing a
> book while taking far less time.
>
> Glen
>
>
> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees it would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a global level :)
>>
>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that any of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and time into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard.
>>
>> Craig.
>>
>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
>>
>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
>>>
>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
>>>
>>> -- Robert
>>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Me too!
>>>>
>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
Re: CXF in Action
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
Here is my point of view: (in bullets)
1) There are two fairly good books already available that can help beginners
get over the hump and start working with CXF. While not as "all encompasing"
as a potential "in action" book written by the developers, they provide a very
good starting point.
2) We do have "decent" documentation already. I won't kid anyone and say
it's great, but there is a lot of info there. We also have a bunch of
examples in the kits and such that go even furthur.
3) Writing a book takes a LOT of time. I'd much rather spend my time actually
working in the code and participating on this list and such. I've been
approached a couple time by various publisher about writing a book and it's
just not something I WANT to spend my time doing.
4) You won't really make any money writing a book. If I'm going to pretty
much donate time doing what is essentially documentation, I might as well just
update the official docs on our web site. That information would then be
available to everyone, not just the small number of people that would buy the
book.
Anyway, that is all my opinion. If someone DID want to write a book, I would
be more than happy to be a technical reviewer and would even be willing to
help out writing some of the code examples or snippets and such. However,
it's just not something I would pursue myself.
Dan
On Monday 13 December 2010 10:33:17 am Yiannis Mavroukakis wrote:
> If your main incentive to write a book is financial gain, then I agree with
> your comments. If, it's to pool all knowledge in one location then I have
> to disagree with you, and I believe that to be the case with most Apache
> projects. Take Camel for example, there's a lot of good information out
> there, but I still bought the book, and it had a boatload of useful
> information. You're also implying that most framework/tech writers are
> only in it for the money...
>
> Yiannis
>
> On 13 December 2010 15:19, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF, several
> > more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or REST web
> > services.
> >
> > Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects
> > because it implements specifications that are already defined elsewhere
> > and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there are multiple
> > blogs on web services and we have pretty good online documentation, at
> > least compared to other projects that do have such books.
> >
> > While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be itching
> > himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately I have to
> > take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book. Most books
> > are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money derived from it in
> > general is very poor. People write books because they see it as a
> > mountain they want to climb, an additional accomplishment they wish to
> > have under their belt, something that gets them to avoid doing household
> > chores from their spouse--not for the negative financial benefits that
> > such books normally engender. Absent any desire to climb that mountain,
> > it's best not to bother. You can instead take a bunch of money out of
> > your savings account and burn it, as such an action would provide the
> > same financial effect of writing a book while taking far less time.
> >
> > Glen
> >
> > On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
> >> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees
> >> it would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels
> >> drastically at a global level :)
> >>
> >> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that
> >> any of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary
> >> energy and time into one, writing books is all consume from what I've
> >> heard.
> >>
> >> Craig.
> >>
> >> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
> >> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
> >>
> >>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
> >>>
> >>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
> >>>
> >>> -- Robert
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
> >>>
> >>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Me too!
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -- Robert
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: CXF in Action
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
How many would pay a small sum $10- $20 for a short webinar (20 minutes
presentation followed by -10-15 minutes discussion ) on one or more
specific topics?
What topics would be the most popular?
Would anyone want to offer these?
Ron
On 13/12/2010 10:19 AM, Glen Mazza wrote:
> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF,
> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or
> REST web services.
>
> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects
> because it implements specifications that are already defined
> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there
> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online
> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have such
> books.
>
> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be
> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately
> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book.
> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money
> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books because
> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional
> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that gets
> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the
> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender. Absent
> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You can
> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn it,
> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of writing a
> book while taking far less time.
>
> Glen
>
>
> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of
>> trees it would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels
>> drastically at a global level :)
>>
>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that
>> any of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary
>> energy and time into one, writing books is all consume from what I've
>> heard.
>>
>> Craig.
>>
>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
>>
>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
>>>
>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
>>>
>>> -- Robert
>>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Me too!
>>>>
>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans
>>>>>> for it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>
>
Re: CXF in Action
Posted by Yiannis Mavroukakis <im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>.
If your main incentive to write a book is financial gain, then I agree with
your comments. If, it's to pool all knowledge in one location then I have to
disagree with you, and I believe that to be the case with most Apache
projects. Take Camel for example, there's a lot of good information out
there, but I still bought the book, and it had a boatload of useful
information. You're also implying that most framework/tech writers are only
in it for the money...
Yiannis
On 13 December 2010 15:19, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF, several
> more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or REST web
> services.
>
> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects because
> it implements specifications that are already defined elsewhere and
> implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there are multiple blogs on
> web services and we have pretty good online documentation, at least compared
> to other projects that do have such books.
>
> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be itching
> himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately I have to take
> issue with his premise that we "should" write a book. Most books are
> notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money derived from it in general
> is very poor. People write books because they see it as a mountain they
> want to climb, an additional accomplishment they wish to have under their
> belt, something that gets them to avoid doing household chores from their
> spouse--not for the negative financial benefits that such books normally
> engender. Absent any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to
> bother. You can instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account
> and burn it, as such an action would provide the same financial effect of
> writing a book while taking far less time.
>
> Glen
>
>
>
> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
>
>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees it
>> would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a
>> global level :)
>>
>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that any
>> of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and
>> time into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard.
>>
>> Craig.
>>
>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
>>
>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
>>>
>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
>>>
>>> -- Robert
>>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
>>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Me too!
>>>>
>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
>>>>
>>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
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Re: CXF in Action
Posted by Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>.
There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF, several
more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or REST web
services.
Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects
because it implements specifications that are already defined elsewhere
and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there are multiple
blogs on web services and we have pretty good online documentation, at
least compared to other projects that do have such books.
While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be itching
himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately I have to
take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book. Most books
are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money derived from it in
general is very poor. People write books because they see it as a
mountain they want to climb, an additional accomplishment they wish to
have under their belt, something that gets them to avoid doing household
chores from their spouse--not for the negative financial benefits that
such books normally engender. Absent any desire to climb that mountain,
it's best not to bother. You can instead take a bunch of money out of
your savings account and burn it, as such an action would provide the
same financial effect of writing a book while taking far less time.
Glen
On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote:
> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees it would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a global level :)
>
> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that any of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and time into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard.
>
> Craig.
>
> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
>
>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
>>
>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
>>
>> -- Robert
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
>> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Me too!
>>>
>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
>>>
>>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
>>>>
>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
Re: CXF in Action
Posted by Craig Tataryn <cr...@tataryn.net>.
I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees it would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a global level :)
An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that any of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and time into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard.
Craig.
On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote:
> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
>
> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
>
> -- Robert
>
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Me too!
>>
>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis <im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
>>
>>> Definitely. I'd buy.
>>>
>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert <ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for it?
>>>>
>>>> -- Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
RE: CXF in Action
Posted by Gary Gregory <GG...@seagullsoftware.com>.
Hi All:
As an author (JUnit in Action http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/ and Spring Batch in Action http://www.manning.com/templier/), I've worked with Manning and I can help shepherd (co-write, edit, introduce, propose) an In Action book.
Who at or around CXF would be available as an author? More than one author is OK. The books I've worked on all had four authors. I can volunteer to write the proposal to Manning but I cannot write the book from scratch.
Gary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert [mailto:robert@gliesian.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 09:26
> To: users@cxf.apache.org
> Subject: CXF in Action
>
> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
> http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
>
> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
>
> -- Robert
>
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
> <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Me too!
> >
> > 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis <im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
> >
> >> Definitely. I'd buy.
> >>
> >> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert <ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for it?
> >> >
> >> > -- Robert
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
CXF in Action
Posted by robert <ro...@gliesian.com>.
Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"...
http://www.manning.com/snyder/.
I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action".
-- Robert
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro
<ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Me too!
>
> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis <im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
>
>> Definitely. I'd buy.
>>
>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert <ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for it?
>> >
>> > -- Robert
>> >
>> >
>>
Re: CXF in Action
Posted by Juan Pablo Pizarro <ju...@gmail.com>.
Me too!
2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis <im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>
> Definitely. I'd buy.
>
> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert <ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
>
> > I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for it?
> >
> > -- Robert
> >
> >
>
Re: CXF in Action
Posted by Yiannis Mavroukakis <im...@gameaccountnetwork.com>.
Definitely. I'd buy.
On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert <ro...@gliesian.com> wrote:
> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for it?
>
> -- Robert
>
>
Re: CXF in Action
Posted by Michael <mt...@optonline.net>.
Mee too!
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert" <ro...@gliesian.com>
To: <us...@cxf.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: CXF in Action
>I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for
> it?
>
> -- Robert
>