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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com> on 2013/01/13 00:36:43 UTC
[WWW]Forum landing page
The forum landing page still have the incubator logo:
http://forum.openoffice.org/
I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo.
Regards
Ricardo
Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 07/27/2013 03:33 PM, schrieb janI:
> On 27 July 2013 14:36, Marcus (OOo)<ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 07/27/2013 01:21 PM, schrieb janI:
>>
>> On 27 July 2013 12:52, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 22/07/2013 janI wrote:
>>>>
>>>> you should also have karma to reboot and/or restart the forum, which is
>>>>> all
>>>>> you need for a quick problem solving. when the vm_team was started we
>>>>> got
>>>>> a
>>>>> mail with allowed commands from gncdonald (I might have copied the
>>>>> commands). I dont have access to my old mails.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> A few days ago I checked this with Infra (based on the old mails) and
>>>> indeed I cannot restart the machine or the servers. Infra took care of it
>>>> and, as far as I know, we should thank Infra for the current forums
>>>> stability. Remember that anyone can go on IRC at #asfinfra and notify
>>>> Infra
>>>> if there are problems; they are often very helpful even though the Forum
>>>> is
>>>> not one of their officially supported services.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Super, I hope they corrected it for the other vm_team members as well.
>>>
>>> Infra has indeed been very helpfull in keeping our forum server alive, in
>>> mid term however it is our own duty to maintain the vm and as good as
>>> possible to prevent these drop outs.
>>>
>>> I have been thinking about making a wiki page, which list all our services
>>> (both infra provided and our own) and for each service have columns
>>> describing:
>>>
>>> - Who is technically maintaining the appl (typically a main person and
>>> backup)
>>> - Who is maintaining UI etc. (typically many people)
>>> - Who is maintaining the vm (typically a main person and infra as backup)
>>> - Who can restart the appl in case of a drop out (typically vm_team and
>>> infra)
>>>
>>> and of course who to contact in case of problems.
>>>
>>> Would that be helpfull ?
>>>
>>
>> ahm, not really if the Wiki is down and you want to see who is needed to
>> restore. ;-)
>>
>
> you got the golden 2ct, for the best reply of the day....how could I
> overlook something that obvious.
Oh, thanks. ;-)
>> I would prefer a webpage in our "openoffice.apache.org" project space.
>> The websites are the most stable ones I can remember.
>
> +1
>
>> To keep it more in private - as names, IDs, mail address are mentioned -
>> do not link it anywhere.
>
> you mean do not link to it from anywhere and just announce the url here on
> the dev list ?
Due to the content I think the private@ ML is better.
Marcus
>> I do however think, I need to permission of the involved people to make
>>> such a list ?
>>>
>>
>> Depends on how many private data - needed to reach the respective people
>> directly and fast - we need to collect.
>>
>
> I would say apache id and IRC id. Mobile would be too much (at least for
> me).
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>>
>> My 2 ct.
>>
>> Marcus
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 6:33 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 27 July 2013 14:36, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>
> > Am 07/27/2013 01:21 PM, schrieb janI:
> >
> > On 27 July 2013 12:52, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 22/07/2013 janI wrote:
> >>>
> >>> you should also have karma to reboot and/or restart the forum, which
> is
> >>>> all
> >>>> you need for a quick problem solving. when the vm_team was started we
> >>>> got
> >>>> a
> >>>> mail with allowed commands from gncdonald (I might have copied the
> >>>> commands). I dont have access to my old mails.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> A few days ago I checked this with Infra (based on the old mails) and
> >>> indeed I cannot restart the machine or the servers. Infra took care of
> it
> >>> and, as far as I know, we should thank Infra for the current forums
> >>> stability. Remember that anyone can go on IRC at #asfinfra and notify
> >>> Infra
> >>> if there are problems; they are often very helpful even though the
> Forum
> >>> is
> >>> not one of their officially supported services.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Super, I hope they corrected it for the other vm_team members as well.
> >>
> >> Infra has indeed been very helpfull in keeping our forum server alive,
> in
> >> mid term however it is our own duty to maintain the vm and as good as
> >> possible to prevent these drop outs.
> >>
> >> I have been thinking about making a wiki page, which list all our
> services
> >> (both infra provided and our own) and for each service have columns
> >> describing:
> >>
> >> - Who is technically maintaining the appl (typically a main person and
> >> backup)
> >> - Who is maintaining UI etc. (typically many people)
> >> - Who is maintaining the vm (typically a main person and infra as
> backup)
> >> - Who can restart the appl in case of a drop out (typically vm_team and
> >> infra)
> >>
> >> and of course who to contact in case of problems.
> >>
> >> Would that be helpfull ?
> >>
> >
> > ahm, not really if the Wiki is down and you want to see who is needed to
> > restore. ;-)
> >
>
> you got the golden 2ct, for the best reply of the day....how could I
> overlook something that obvious.
>
> >
> > I would prefer a webpage in our "openoffice.apache.org" project space.
> > The websites are the most stable ones I can remember.
> >
>
> +1
>
+1 from me on this idea also...
>
> >
> > To keep it more in private - as names, IDs, mail address are mentioned -
> > do not link it anywhere.
>
>
> you mean do not link to it from anywhere and just announce the url here on
> the dev list ?
>
>
> >
> > I do however think, I need to permission of the involved people to make
> >> such a list ?
> >>
> >
> > Depends on how many private data - needed to reach the respective people
> > directly and fast - we need to collect.
> >
>
> I would say apache id and IRC id. Mobile would be too much (at least for
> me).
>
This is a good start -- just some way of contacting them, or apprising them
at any rate.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
> >
> > My 2 ct.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 27 July 2013 14:36, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> Am 07/27/2013 01:21 PM, schrieb janI:
>
> On 27 July 2013 12:52, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 22/07/2013 janI wrote:
>>>
>>> you should also have karma to reboot and/or restart the forum, which is
>>>> all
>>>> you need for a quick problem solving. when the vm_team was started we
>>>> got
>>>> a
>>>> mail with allowed commands from gncdonald (I might have copied the
>>>> commands). I dont have access to my old mails.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> A few days ago I checked this with Infra (based on the old mails) and
>>> indeed I cannot restart the machine or the servers. Infra took care of it
>>> and, as far as I know, we should thank Infra for the current forums
>>> stability. Remember that anyone can go on IRC at #asfinfra and notify
>>> Infra
>>> if there are problems; they are often very helpful even though the Forum
>>> is
>>> not one of their officially supported services.
>>>
>>>
>> Super, I hope they corrected it for the other vm_team members as well.
>>
>> Infra has indeed been very helpfull in keeping our forum server alive, in
>> mid term however it is our own duty to maintain the vm and as good as
>> possible to prevent these drop outs.
>>
>> I have been thinking about making a wiki page, which list all our services
>> (both infra provided and our own) and for each service have columns
>> describing:
>>
>> - Who is technically maintaining the appl (typically a main person and
>> backup)
>> - Who is maintaining UI etc. (typically many people)
>> - Who is maintaining the vm (typically a main person and infra as backup)
>> - Who can restart the appl in case of a drop out (typically vm_team and
>> infra)
>>
>> and of course who to contact in case of problems.
>>
>> Would that be helpfull ?
>>
>
> ahm, not really if the Wiki is down and you want to see who is needed to
> restore. ;-)
>
you got the golden 2ct, for the best reply of the day....how could I
overlook something that obvious.
>
> I would prefer a webpage in our "openoffice.apache.org" project space.
> The websites are the most stable ones I can remember.
>
+1
>
> To keep it more in private - as names, IDs, mail address are mentioned -
> do not link it anywhere.
you mean do not link to it from anywhere and just announce the url here on
the dev list ?
>
> I do however think, I need to permission of the involved people to make
>> such a list ?
>>
>
> Depends on how many private data - needed to reach the respective people
> directly and fast - we need to collect.
>
I would say apache id and IRC id. Mobile would be too much (at least for
me).
rgds
jan I.
>
> My 2 ct.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
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>
>
Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 28 July 2013 19:38, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On 28 July 2013 14:31, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:26 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > On 28 July 2013 09:01, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Note that we do have this page already:
> >> >>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**pmc-faqs.html#moderator<
> >> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html#moderator>
> >> >>> Maybe that can be updated? Or if you have something more ambitious
> in
> >> >>> mind, the existing page can be retired.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> It will be just fine to update that page.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > that page is very outdated, and it is a mixture of all kinds of
> >> > information. I think it would be better to have a special page,
> >> >
> >> > I think pmc-faq, should have exact that content.
> >> >
> >> > objections ?
> >> >
> >>
> >> An outdated page versus a page that doesn't exist yet? I guess I
> >> don't care, so long as in the end there is a single place to go for
> >> this info.
> >>
> >
> > Well I could say the same, a page only a few knows that contains quite a
> > lot of diifferent information, and where the maintenance part is outdated
> > (doesnt even contain the services we offer), or a new page with the sole
> > purpose of information who is doing the job.
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Additional contact information, if desired, can be stored in the
> private
> >> >> (PMC members only) SVN repository for this PMC:
> >> >> svn checkout https://svn.apache.org/repos/**private/pmc/openoffice<
> >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/openoffice>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > That is a possibility, do you think of telephone numbers etc, for
> >> emergency
> >> > situations ?
> >> >
> >> > I will make a proposal on ~jani and ask for lazy consensus.
> >> >
> >> > Does any maintainer (sysadm, sysop, root etc) have a problem that the
> >> page
> >> > contain our apache emails ?
> >> > If so please object now, before I show my proposal.
> >> >
> >>
> >> We should be using existing tools like the mailing list and BZ and IRC
> >> for admin requests and reporting outages. I don't think we want to
> >> encourage direct emails.
> >>
> >
> > hmm, if thats the case then there are no purpose of telling who is doing
> > the job...then we all just scream help on whatever list and hope the
> right
> > person reads its. On the other hand, if we want to identify the people
> > doing the job I have only found the mailId as a common dominator, if you
> > have another id then please tell me.
> >
>
> I don't recall ever seeing the mailing list down. So that seems to be
> a solid solution. It has the advantage that we can check email from
> any device from any location.
>
I have only seen it down a couple of times, but not long enough to really
disturb anybody.
> Using BZ for outages, would be at least interesting, on a good day it
> would
> > take 2-3 weeks before I became aware of the problem. I think for outages
> BZ
> > is not really the suited. IRC might be suited, but I seldom see people
> who
> > can do something in there. Maybe I am just negative, but at least I have
> > nearly a full year experience with AOO (and 25+ with other systems) and
> all
> > ourages an until today I have not received a single outage request from
> BZ
> > or IRC.
> >
> >
> >> The real goal, IMHO, should be making sure that the responsible party
> >> can easily find out what issues/requests are related to their area.
> >> This could be done by using the dev list for all such requests. It
> >> could also be done by having BZ areas for such requests, something we
> >> do have today in most cases.
> >>
> >
> > I honestly think that the responsible party know what their area are, I
> > think it is more important the informing part knows where to inform.
> >
> > I take your word for using BZ and dev@, since it saves me the work of
> > making a list. But bear in mind that I (as an example) from time to time
> > only read dev mail with 72 hours interval, do you really want to wait
> that
> > long to get a server restarted ?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> So I would recommend just listing names or Apache ID's (robweir, etc.)
> >> without mailto: hyperlinks, for reference.
> >>
> >
> > now you confuse me, you have just argued to use BZ and dev list, so no
> need
> > for specific names ?
> >
>
>
> Sorry for the confusion. I'm suggesting listing names, but not email
> address. The idea is to not make it trivial for someone to click and
> send an email. Remember, we're still dealing with the masses who are
> looking for the easy way to technical support. As BZ admin I receive
> quite a few product support questions sent to the admin address.
> Ditto to the list help address. So make it sufficient for project
> members to know who owns the area, but not so simple that any random
> person will use it.
>
I see your point, but that also means to me, that there are no reason to
list the people (listing the people reveals their email addresses).
>
> Remember, in many areas we have more than one authorized person who
> can fix things. But we also all take vacations. Sending an outage
> message to personal email has two problems:
>
> 1) It does not let others on the dev list know about the outage or
> that it has already been reported. This leads to a cascade of more
> notifications sent, to the general annoyance of everyone.
>
you are right about that, but that has more or less been the practical
aproach while I have been monitoring our vms and with remarkable few
"wrong" mails.
>
> 2) If the person notified is not available, due to vacation or
> whatever, the fix is delayed even further.
>
> So I recommend sending all such issues to BZ if it is not urgent or to
> the dev list if it is urgent. Sometimes I'll even put the dev list
> and the person both into the address list if it is urgent, hoping to
> escape some level of auto-filing in the mail clients.
>
> Another approach would be to create an admin@openoffice.apache.org
> mailing list for such things. If all admins subscribed to that list
> it would be equally efficient.
>
Creating an admin@ would solve a lot of issues, but would equally open for
the support questions which you fear.
You have convinced me, I just wanted to provide a way to make sure our
services have an even higher attention and thereby higher availability.
Look at the forum issue, we had a whole mail thread, where the solution was
a one-liner in mysql.ini, but it seems that either nobody felt responsible
or the responsible persons did not read the mail list.
But you are right, I would not like to have my mailbox flooded with user
questions, so lets just leave things as they are.
rgds
jan I.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> Of course, every rule has exceptions.
> >>
> >> Maybe a variation on this approach would work for us as well?
> >>
> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#how
> >>
> >
> > that was my basic idea, but the difference is that #asfinfra and infra@are
> > solely for maintenance and not for general development (infra-dev@ is
> for
> > that purpose), dev@ is of course mainly related to non-maintenance
> issues,
> > and as such an outage mail can easily be overlooked.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >
> > thanks for your views, we do have a big gap between your views and what I
> > feel is needed.
> >
> > Maybe I am just too focused on providing 24/7 service, and not something
> > with 72hours gaps. I will let the discussion mature before I start doing
> > wasted work.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > have a nice sunday.
> >> > rgds
> >> > jan I.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Andrea.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >>
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 28 July 2013 14:31, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:26 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > On 28 July 2013 09:01, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Rob Weir wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Note that we do have this page already:
>> >>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**pmc-faqs.html#moderator<
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html#moderator>
>> >>> Maybe that can be updated? Or if you have something more ambitious in
>> >>> mind, the existing page can be retired.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> It will be just fine to update that page.
>> >>
>> >
>> > that page is very outdated, and it is a mixture of all kinds of
>> > information. I think it would be better to have a special page,
>> >
>> > I think pmc-faq, should have exact that content.
>> >
>> > objections ?
>> >
>>
>> An outdated page versus a page that doesn't exist yet? I guess I
>> don't care, so long as in the end there is a single place to go for
>> this info.
>>
>
> Well I could say the same, a page only a few knows that contains quite a
> lot of diifferent information, and where the maintenance part is outdated
> (doesnt even contain the services we offer), or a new page with the sole
> purpose of information who is doing the job.
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Additional contact information, if desired, can be stored in the private
>> >> (PMC members only) SVN repository for this PMC:
>> >> svn checkout https://svn.apache.org/repos/**private/pmc/openoffice<
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/openoffice>
>> >>
>> >
>> > That is a possibility, do you think of telephone numbers etc, for
>> emergency
>> > situations ?
>> >
>> > I will make a proposal on ~jani and ask for lazy consensus.
>> >
>> > Does any maintainer (sysadm, sysop, root etc) have a problem that the
>> page
>> > contain our apache emails ?
>> > If so please object now, before I show my proposal.
>> >
>>
>> We should be using existing tools like the mailing list and BZ and IRC
>> for admin requests and reporting outages. I don't think we want to
>> encourage direct emails.
>>
>
> hmm, if thats the case then there are no purpose of telling who is doing
> the job...then we all just scream help on whatever list and hope the right
> person reads its. On the other hand, if we want to identify the people
> doing the job I have only found the mailId as a common dominator, if you
> have another id then please tell me.
>
I don't recall ever seeing the mailing list down. So that seems to be
a solid solution. It has the advantage that we can check email from
any device from any location.
> Using BZ for outages, would be at least interesting, on a good day it would
> take 2-3 weeks before I became aware of the problem. I think for outages BZ
> is not really the suited. IRC might be suited, but I seldom see people who
> can do something in there. Maybe I am just negative, but at least I have
> nearly a full year experience with AOO (and 25+ with other systems) and all
> ourages an until today I have not received a single outage request from BZ
> or IRC.
>
>
>> The real goal, IMHO, should be making sure that the responsible party
>> can easily find out what issues/requests are related to their area.
>> This could be done by using the dev list for all such requests. It
>> could also be done by having BZ areas for such requests, something we
>> do have today in most cases.
>>
>
> I honestly think that the responsible party know what their area are, I
> think it is more important the informing part knows where to inform.
>
> I take your word for using BZ and dev@, since it saves me the work of
> making a list. But bear in mind that I (as an example) from time to time
> only read dev mail with 72 hours interval, do you really want to wait that
> long to get a server restarted ?
>
>
>>
>> So I would recommend just listing names or Apache ID's (robweir, etc.)
>> without mailto: hyperlinks, for reference.
>>
>
> now you confuse me, you have just argued to use BZ and dev list, so no need
> for specific names ?
>
Sorry for the confusion. I'm suggesting listing names, but not email
address. The idea is to not make it trivial for someone to click and
send an email. Remember, we're still dealing with the masses who are
looking for the easy way to technical support. As BZ admin I receive
quite a few product support questions sent to the admin address.
Ditto to the list help address. So make it sufficient for project
members to know who owns the area, but not so simple that any random
person will use it.
Remember, in many areas we have more than one authorized person who
can fix things. But we also all take vacations. Sending an outage
message to personal email has two problems:
1) It does not let others on the dev list know about the outage or
that it has already been reported. This leads to a cascade of more
notifications sent, to the general annoyance of everyone.
2) If the person notified is not available, due to vacation or
whatever, the fix is delayed even further.
So I recommend sending all such issues to BZ if it is not urgent or to
the dev list if it is urgent. Sometimes I'll even put the dev list
and the person both into the address list if it is urgent, hoping to
escape some level of auto-filing in the mail clients.
Another approach would be to create an admin@openoffice.apache.org
mailing list for such things. If all admins subscribed to that list
it would be equally efficient.
Regards,
-Rob
>
>>
>> Of course, every rule has exceptions.
>>
>> Maybe a variation on this approach would work for us as well?
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#how
>>
>
> that was my basic idea, but the difference is that #asfinfra and infra@ are
> solely for maintenance and not for general development (infra-dev@ is for
> that purpose), dev@ is of course mainly related to non-maintenance issues,
> and as such an outage mail can easily be overlooked.
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> thanks for your views, we do have a big gap between your views and what I
> feel is needed.
>
> Maybe I am just too focused on providing 24/7 service, and not something
> with 72hours gaps. I will let the discussion mature before I start doing
> wasted work.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
>>
>> > have a nice sunday.
>> > rgds
>> > jan I.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Andrea.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 28 July 2013 18:33, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:43 AM, janI wrote:
>
> > On 28 July 2013 14:31, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:26 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> On 28 July 2013 09:01, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Note that we do have this page already:
> >>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**pmc-faqs.html#moderator<
> >> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html#moderator>
> >>>>> Maybe that can be updated? Or if you have something more ambitious
> in
> >>>>> mind, the existing page can be retired.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It will be just fine to update that page.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> that page is very outdated, and it is a mixture of all kinds of
> >>> information. I think it would be better to have a special page,
> >>>
> >>> I think pmc-faq, should have exact that content.
> >>>
> >>> objections ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> An outdated page versus a page that doesn't exist yet? I guess I
> >> don't care, so long as in the end there is a single place to go for
> >> this info.
> >>
> >
> > Well I could say the same, a page only a few knows that contains quite a
> > lot of diifferent information, and where the maintenance part is outdated
> > (doesnt even contain the services we offer), or a new page with the sole
> > purpose of information who is doing the job.
>
> If this is a new page then it should be called "Infrastructure" and be
> linked to from the left nav in the Community section of the project site.
>
Agreed, I actually get quite confused by the difference between
www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org, I wonder if the users share
the confusion.
I agree with both name of link.
>
> Once the page is created and we are happy with it we can update the PMC
> facts by replacing the duplicate content with a link.
>
if/when the page is made it will be available on people.a.o/~jani and
aquire lazy consensus, before moving it anywhere.
Rob raised some very valid doubts, if a detailed listing is wanted, and I
would like to see what other people think.
rgds
jan I.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Additional contact information, if desired, can be stored in the
> private
> >>>> (PMC members only) SVN repository for this PMC:
> >>>> svn checkout https://svn.apache.org/repos/**private/pmc/openoffice<
> >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/openoffice>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> That is a possibility, do you think of telephone numbers etc, for
> >> emergency
> >>> situations ?
> >>>
> >>> I will make a proposal on ~jani and ask for lazy consensus.
> >>>
> >>> Does any maintainer (sysadm, sysop, root etc) have a problem that the
> >> page
> >>> contain our apache emails ?
> >>> If so please object now, before I show my proposal.
> >>>
> >>
> >> We should be using existing tools like the mailing list and BZ and IRC
> >> for admin requests and reporting outages. I don't think we want to
> >> encourage direct emails.
> >>
> >
> > hmm, if thats the case then there are no purpose of telling who is doing
> > the job...then we all just scream help on whatever list and hope the
> right
> > person reads its. On the other hand, if we want to identify the people
> > doing the job I have only found the mailId as a common dominator, if you
> > have another id then please tell me.
> >
> > Using BZ for outages, would be at least interesting, on a good day it
> would
> > take 2-3 weeks before I became aware of the problem. I think for outages
> BZ
> > is not really the suited. IRC might be suited, but I seldom see people
> who
> > can do something in there. Maybe I am just negative, but at least I have
> > nearly a full year experience with AOO (and 25+ with other systems) and
> all
> > ourages an until today I have not received a single outage request from
> BZ
> > or IRC.
> >
> >
> >> The real goal, IMHO, should be making sure that the responsible party
> >> can easily find out what issues/requests are related to their area.
> >> This could be done by using the dev list for all such requests. It
> >> could also be done by having BZ areas for such requests, something we
> >> do have today in most cases.
> >>
> >
> > I honestly think that the responsible party know what their area are, I
> > think it is more important the informing part knows where to inform.
> >
> > I take your word for using BZ and dev@, since it saves me the work of
> > making a list. But bear in mind that I (as an example) from time to time
> > only read dev mail with 72 hours interval, do you really want to wait
> that
> > long to get a server restarted ?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> So I would recommend just listing names or Apache ID's (robweir, etc.)
> >> without mailto: hyperlinks, for reference.
> >>
> >
> > now you confuse me, you have just argued to use BZ and dev list, so no
> need
> > for specific names ?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Of course, every rule has exceptions.
> >>
> >> Maybe a variation on this approach would work for us as well?
> >>
> >> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#how
> >>
> >
> > that was my basic idea, but the difference is that #asfinfra and infra@are
> > solely for maintenance and not for general development (infra-dev@ is
> for
> > that purpose), dev@ is of course mainly related to non-maintenance
> issues,
> > and as such an outage mail can easily be overlooked.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >
> > thanks for your views, we do have a big gap between your views and what I
> > feel is needed.
> >
> > Maybe I am just too focused on providing 24/7 service, and not something
> > with 72hours gaps. I will let the discussion mature before I start doing
> > wasted work.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> have a nice sunday.
> >>> rgds
> >>> jan I.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Andrea.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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> >> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org>
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>
> >>
>
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:43 AM, janI wrote:
> On 28 July 2013 14:31, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:26 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On 28 July 2013 09:01, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Note that we do have this page already:
>>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**pmc-faqs.html#moderator<
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html#moderator>
>>>>> Maybe that can be updated? Or if you have something more ambitious in
>>>>> mind, the existing page can be retired.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It will be just fine to update that page.
>>>>
>>>
>>> that page is very outdated, and it is a mixture of all kinds of
>>> information. I think it would be better to have a special page,
>>>
>>> I think pmc-faq, should have exact that content.
>>>
>>> objections ?
>>>
>>
>> An outdated page versus a page that doesn't exist yet? I guess I
>> don't care, so long as in the end there is a single place to go for
>> this info.
>>
>
> Well I could say the same, a page only a few knows that contains quite a
> lot of diifferent information, and where the maintenance part is outdated
> (doesnt even contain the services we offer), or a new page with the sole
> purpose of information who is doing the job.
If this is a new page then it should be called "Infrastructure" and be linked to from the left nav in the Community section of the project site.
Once the page is created and we are happy with it we can update the PMC facts by replacing the duplicate content with a link.
Regards,
Dave
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Additional contact information, if desired, can be stored in the private
>>>> (PMC members only) SVN repository for this PMC:
>>>> svn checkout https://svn.apache.org/repos/**private/pmc/openoffice<
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/openoffice>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is a possibility, do you think of telephone numbers etc, for
>> emergency
>>> situations ?
>>>
>>> I will make a proposal on ~jani and ask for lazy consensus.
>>>
>>> Does any maintainer (sysadm, sysop, root etc) have a problem that the
>> page
>>> contain our apache emails ?
>>> If so please object now, before I show my proposal.
>>>
>>
>> We should be using existing tools like the mailing list and BZ and IRC
>> for admin requests and reporting outages. I don't think we want to
>> encourage direct emails.
>>
>
> hmm, if thats the case then there are no purpose of telling who is doing
> the job...then we all just scream help on whatever list and hope the right
> person reads its. On the other hand, if we want to identify the people
> doing the job I have only found the mailId as a common dominator, if you
> have another id then please tell me.
>
> Using BZ for outages, would be at least interesting, on a good day it would
> take 2-3 weeks before I became aware of the problem. I think for outages BZ
> is not really the suited. IRC might be suited, but I seldom see people who
> can do something in there. Maybe I am just negative, but at least I have
> nearly a full year experience with AOO (and 25+ with other systems) and all
> ourages an until today I have not received a single outage request from BZ
> or IRC.
>
>
>> The real goal, IMHO, should be making sure that the responsible party
>> can easily find out what issues/requests are related to their area.
>> This could be done by using the dev list for all such requests. It
>> could also be done by having BZ areas for such requests, something we
>> do have today in most cases.
>>
>
> I honestly think that the responsible party know what their area are, I
> think it is more important the informing part knows where to inform.
>
> I take your word for using BZ and dev@, since it saves me the work of
> making a list. But bear in mind that I (as an example) from time to time
> only read dev mail with 72 hours interval, do you really want to wait that
> long to get a server restarted ?
>
>
>>
>> So I would recommend just listing names or Apache ID's (robweir, etc.)
>> without mailto: hyperlinks, for reference.
>>
>
> now you confuse me, you have just argued to use BZ and dev list, so no need
> for specific names ?
>
>
>>
>> Of course, every rule has exceptions.
>>
>> Maybe a variation on this approach would work for us as well?
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#how
>>
>
> that was my basic idea, but the difference is that #asfinfra and infra@ are
> solely for maintenance and not for general development (infra-dev@ is for
> that purpose), dev@ is of course mainly related to non-maintenance issues,
> and as such an outage mail can easily be overlooked.
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> thanks for your views, we do have a big gap between your views and what I
> feel is needed.
>
> Maybe I am just too focused on providing 24/7 service, and not something
> with 72hours gaps. I will let the discussion mature before I start doing
> wasted work.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
>>
>>> have a nice sunday.
>>> rgds
>>> jan I.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------
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>>>>
>>>>
>>
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 28 July 2013 14:31, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:26 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On 28 July 2013 09:01, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >>> Note that we do have this page already:
> >>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**pmc-faqs.html#moderator<
> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html#moderator>
> >>> Maybe that can be updated? Or if you have something more ambitious in
> >>> mind, the existing page can be retired.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It will be just fine to update that page.
> >>
> >
> > that page is very outdated, and it is a mixture of all kinds of
> > information. I think it would be better to have a special page,
> >
> > I think pmc-faq, should have exact that content.
> >
> > objections ?
> >
>
> An outdated page versus a page that doesn't exist yet? I guess I
> don't care, so long as in the end there is a single place to go for
> this info.
>
Well I could say the same, a page only a few knows that contains quite a
lot of diifferent information, and where the maintenance part is outdated
(doesnt even contain the services we offer), or a new page with the sole
purpose of information who is doing the job.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Additional contact information, if desired, can be stored in the private
> >> (PMC members only) SVN repository for this PMC:
> >> svn checkout https://svn.apache.org/repos/**private/pmc/openoffice<
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/openoffice>
> >>
> >
> > That is a possibility, do you think of telephone numbers etc, for
> emergency
> > situations ?
> >
> > I will make a proposal on ~jani and ask for lazy consensus.
> >
> > Does any maintainer (sysadm, sysop, root etc) have a problem that the
> page
> > contain our apache emails ?
> > If so please object now, before I show my proposal.
> >
>
> We should be using existing tools like the mailing list and BZ and IRC
> for admin requests and reporting outages. I don't think we want to
> encourage direct emails.
>
hmm, if thats the case then there are no purpose of telling who is doing
the job...then we all just scream help on whatever list and hope the right
person reads its. On the other hand, if we want to identify the people
doing the job I have only found the mailId as a common dominator, if you
have another id then please tell me.
Using BZ for outages, would be at least interesting, on a good day it would
take 2-3 weeks before I became aware of the problem. I think for outages BZ
is not really the suited. IRC might be suited, but I seldom see people who
can do something in there. Maybe I am just negative, but at least I have
nearly a full year experience with AOO (and 25+ with other systems) and all
ourages an until today I have not received a single outage request from BZ
or IRC.
> The real goal, IMHO, should be making sure that the responsible party
> can easily find out what issues/requests are related to their area.
> This could be done by using the dev list for all such requests. It
> could also be done by having BZ areas for such requests, something we
> do have today in most cases.
>
I honestly think that the responsible party know what their area are, I
think it is more important the informing part knows where to inform.
I take your word for using BZ and dev@, since it saves me the work of
making a list. But bear in mind that I (as an example) from time to time
only read dev mail with 72 hours interval, do you really want to wait that
long to get a server restarted ?
>
> So I would recommend just listing names or Apache ID's (robweir, etc.)
> without mailto: hyperlinks, for reference.
>
now you confuse me, you have just argued to use BZ and dev list, so no need
for specific names ?
>
> Of course, every rule has exceptions.
>
> Maybe a variation on this approach would work for us as well?
>
> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#how
>
that was my basic idea, but the difference is that #asfinfra and infra@ are
solely for maintenance and not for general development (infra-dev@ is for
that purpose), dev@ is of course mainly related to non-maintenance issues,
and as such an outage mail can easily be overlooked.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
thanks for your views, we do have a big gap between your views and what I
feel is needed.
Maybe I am just too focused on providing 24/7 service, and not something
with 72hours gaps. I will let the discussion mature before I start doing
wasted work.
rgds
jan I.
>
> > have a nice sunday.
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrea.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org>
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:26 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 28 July 2013 09:01, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> Note that we do have this page already:
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**pmc-faqs.html#moderator<http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html#moderator>
>>> Maybe that can be updated? Or if you have something more ambitious in
>>> mind, the existing page can be retired.
>>>
>>
>> It will be just fine to update that page.
>>
>
> that page is very outdated, and it is a mixture of all kinds of
> information. I think it would be better to have a special page,
>
> I think pmc-faq, should have exact that content.
>
> objections ?
>
An outdated page versus a page that doesn't exist yet? I guess I
don't care, so long as in the end there is a single place to go for
this info.
>
>
>
>> Additional contact information, if desired, can be stored in the private
>> (PMC members only) SVN repository for this PMC:
>> svn checkout https://svn.apache.org/repos/**private/pmc/openoffice<https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/openoffice>
>>
>
> That is a possibility, do you think of telephone numbers etc, for emergency
> situations ?
>
> I will make a proposal on ~jani and ask for lazy consensus.
>
> Does any maintainer (sysadm, sysop, root etc) have a problem that the page
> contain our apache emails ?
> If so please object now, before I show my proposal.
>
We should be using existing tools like the mailing list and BZ and IRC
for admin requests and reporting outages. I don't think we want to
encourage direct emails.
The real goal, IMHO, should be making sure that the responsible party
can easily find out what issues/requests are related to their area.
This could be done by using the dev list for all such requests. It
could also be done by having BZ areas for such requests, something we
do have today in most cases.
So I would recommend just listing names or Apache ID's (robweir, etc.)
without mailto: hyperlinks, for reference.
Of course, every rule has exceptions.
Maybe a variation on this approach would work for us as well?
http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#how
Regards,
-Rob
> have a nice sunday.
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>>
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 28 July 2013 09:01, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> Note that we do have this page already:
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**pmc-faqs.html#moderator<http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html#moderator>
>> Maybe that can be updated? Or if you have something more ambitious in
>> mind, the existing page can be retired.
>>
>
> It will be just fine to update that page.
>
that page is very outdated, and it is a mixture of all kinds of
information. I think it would be better to have a special page,
I think pmc-faq, should have exact that content.
objections ?
> Additional contact information, if desired, can be stored in the private
> (PMC members only) SVN repository for this PMC:
> svn checkout https://svn.apache.org/repos/**private/pmc/openoffice<https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/openoffice>
>
That is a possibility, do you think of telephone numbers etc, for emergency
situations ?
I will make a proposal on ~jani and ask for lazy consensus.
Does any maintainer (sysadm, sysop, root etc) have a problem that the page
contain our apache emails ?
If so please object now, before I show my proposal.
have a nice sunday.
rgds
jan I.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
>
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>
>
Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Rob Weir wrote:
> Note that we do have this page already:
> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html#moderator
> Maybe that can be updated? Or if you have something more ambitious in
> mind, the existing page can be retired.
It will be just fine to update that page.
Additional contact information, if desired, can be stored in the private
(PMC members only) SVN repository for this PMC:
svn checkout https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/openoffice
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 07/27/2013 01:21 PM, schrieb janI:
> On 27 July 2013 12:52, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 22/07/2013 janI wrote:
>>
>>> you should also have karma to reboot and/or restart the forum, which is
>>> all
>>> you need for a quick problem solving. when the vm_team was started we got
>>> a
>>> mail with allowed commands from gncdonald (I might have copied the
>>> commands). I dont have access to my old mails.
>>>
>>
>> A few days ago I checked this with Infra (based on the old mails) and
>> indeed I cannot restart the machine or the servers. Infra took care of it
>> and, as far as I know, we should thank Infra for the current forums
>> stability. Remember that anyone can go on IRC at #asfinfra and notify Infra
>> if there are problems; they are often very helpful even though the Forum is
>> not one of their officially supported services.
>>
>
> Super, I hope they corrected it for the other vm_team members as well.
>
> Infra has indeed been very helpfull in keeping our forum server alive, in
> mid term however it is our own duty to maintain the vm and as good as
> possible to prevent these drop outs.
>
> I have been thinking about making a wiki page, which list all our services
> (both infra provided and our own) and for each service have columns
> describing:
>
> - Who is technically maintaining the appl (typically a main person and
> backup)
> - Who is maintaining UI etc. (typically many people)
> - Who is maintaining the vm (typically a main person and infra as backup)
> - Who can restart the appl in case of a drop out (typically vm_team and
> infra)
>
> and of course who to contact in case of problems.
>
> Would that be helpfull ?
ahm, not really if the Wiki is down and you want to see who is needed to
restore. ;-)
I would prefer a webpage in our "openoffice.apache.org" project space.
The websites are the most stable ones I can remember.
To keep it more in private - as names, IDs, mail address are mentioned -
do not link it anywhere.
> I do however think, I need to permission of the involved people to make
> such a list ?
Depends on how many private data - needed to reach the respective people
directly and fast - we need to collect.
My 2 ct.
Marcus
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 7:21 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 27 July 2013 12:52, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 22/07/2013 janI wrote:
>>
>>> you should also have karma to reboot and/or restart the forum, which is
>>> all
>>> you need for a quick problem solving. when the vm_team was started we got
>>> a
>>> mail with allowed commands from gncdonald (I might have copied the
>>> commands). I dont have access to my old mails.
>>>
>>
>> A few days ago I checked this with Infra (based on the old mails) and
>> indeed I cannot restart the machine or the servers. Infra took care of it
>> and, as far as I know, we should thank Infra for the current forums
>> stability. Remember that anyone can go on IRC at #asfinfra and notify Infra
>> if there are problems; they are often very helpful even though the Forum is
>> not one of their officially supported services.
>>
>
> Super, I hope they corrected it for the other vm_team members as well.
>
> Infra has indeed been very helpfull in keeping our forum server alive, in
> mid term however it is our own duty to maintain the vm and as good as
> possible to prevent these drop outs.
>
> I have been thinking about making a wiki page, which list all our services
> (both infra provided and our own) and for each service have columns
> describing:
>
> - Who is technically maintaining the appl (typically a main person and
> backup)
> - Who is maintaining UI etc. (typically many people)
> - Who is maintaining the vm (typically a main person and infra as backup)
> - Who can restart the appl in case of a drop out (typically vm_team and
> infra)
>
> and of course who to contact in case of problems.
>
> Would that be helpfull ?
>
Note that we do have this page already:
http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html#moderator
Maybe that can be updated? Or if you have something more ambitious in
mind, the existing page can be retired.
Regards,
-Rob
> I do however think, I need to permission of the involved people to make
> such a list ?
>
> rgds
> jan I
>
>
> Regards,
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 27 July 2013 12:52, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 22/07/2013 janI wrote:
>
>> you should also have karma to reboot and/or restart the forum, which is
>> all
>> you need for a quick problem solving. when the vm_team was started we got
>> a
>> mail with allowed commands from gncdonald (I might have copied the
>> commands). I dont have access to my old mails.
>>
>
> A few days ago I checked this with Infra (based on the old mails) and
> indeed I cannot restart the machine or the servers. Infra took care of it
> and, as far as I know, we should thank Infra for the current forums
> stability. Remember that anyone can go on IRC at #asfinfra and notify Infra
> if there are problems; they are often very helpful even though the Forum is
> not one of their officially supported services.
>
Super, I hope they corrected it for the other vm_team members as well.
Infra has indeed been very helpfull in keeping our forum server alive, in
mid term however it is our own duty to maintain the vm and as good as
possible to prevent these drop outs.
I have been thinking about making a wiki page, which list all our services
(both infra provided and our own) and for each service have columns
describing:
- Who is technically maintaining the appl (typically a main person and
backup)
- Who is maintaining UI etc. (typically many people)
- Who is maintaining the vm (typically a main person and infra as backup)
- Who can restart the appl in case of a drop out (typically vm_team and
infra)
and of course who to contact in case of problems.
Would that be helpfull ?
I do however think, I need to permission of the involved people to make
such a list ?
rgds
jan I
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 22/07/2013 janI wrote:
> you should also have karma to reboot and/or restart the forum, which is all
> you need for a quick problem solving. when the vm_team was started we got a
> mail with allowed commands from gncdonald (I might have copied the
> commands). I dont have access to my old mails.
A few days ago I checked this with Infra (based on the old mails) and
indeed I cannot restart the machine or the servers. Infra took care of
it and, as far as I know, we should thank Infra for the current forums
stability. Remember that anyone can go on IRC at #asfinfra and notify
Infra if there are problems; they are often very helpful even though the
Forum is not one of their officially supported services.
Regards,
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On Jul 22, 2013 11:31 PM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> janI wrote:
>
>> On 22 July 2013 22:59, Hagar Delest wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 21/07/2013 20:00, janI a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure who is actively administrating phpBB. The phpBB group
only
>>>> contains imacat and terrye.
>>>
>>> Terry left so imacat is the only one.
>>
>> I suspected that, but was not sure if andrea also had access.
>
>
> I have access to both the forum (meaning that I have an account for web
login there) and the machine hosting it (SSH access), but in both cases I
have normal user privileges, so I cannot administer either the forum or the
machine hosting it.
you should also have karma to reboot and/or restart the form, which is all
you need for a quick problem solving. when the vm_team was started we got a
mail with allowed commands from gncdonald (I might have copied the
commands). I dont have access to my old mails.
so we are down to imacat (at least for the moment) for changing backup
strategy.
rgds
jan i.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
janI wrote:
> On 22 July 2013 22:59, Hagar Delest wrote:
>> Le 21/07/2013 20:00, janI a écrit :
>>> I am not sure who is actively administrating phpBB. The phpBB group only
>>> contains imacat and terrye.
>> Terry left so imacat is the only one.
> I suspected that, but was not sure if andrea also had access.
I have access to both the forum (meaning that I have an account for web
login there) and the machine hosting it (SSH access), but in both cases
I have normal user privileges, so I cannot administer either the forum
or the machine hosting it.
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 22 July 2013 22:59, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Le 21/07/2013 20:00, janI a écrit :
>
>> I am not sure who is actively administrating phpBB. The phpBB group only
>> contains imacat and terrye.
>>
>
> Terry left so imacat is the only one.
>
I suspected that, but was not sure if andrea also had access.
imacat told me earlier that she is busy until end of this month, so I take
it will have to wait.
We should however have a discussion again, about server support, the team
we setup does not really work (at least seen from my POW).
rgds
jan I.
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 21/07/2013 20:00, janI a écrit :
> I am not sure who is actively administrating phpBB. The phpBB group only
> contains imacat and terrye.
Terry left so imacat is the only one.
Hagar
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 21 July 2013 19:07, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> janI wrote:
>
>> While I was in there I also checked the backup, there are no backup of the
>> www only of the db. Meaning a dead disk and we can start from scratch. Is
>> that really a wanted situation (considering it has been like this for
>> years) ?
>>
>
> Surely it isn't. We should definitely backup BOTH the database and the www
> source tree (including attachments).
>
> I agree (not backup for www but svn, see BZ), BZ issue is created:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122794
I am not sure who is actively administrating phpBB. The phpBB group only
contains imacat and terrye.
rgds
jan I.
>
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> Andrea.
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
janI wrote:
> While I was in there I also checked the backup, there are no backup of the
> www only of the db. Meaning a dead disk and we can start from scratch. Is
> that really a wanted situation (considering it has been like this for
> years) ?
Surely it isn't. We should definitely backup BOTH the database and the
www source tree (including attachments).
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 21 July 2013 16:48, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Le 21/07/2013 15:36, janI a écrit :
>
>
>> While I was in there I also checked the backup, there are no backup of the
>> www only of the db. Meaning a dead disk and we can start from scratch. Is
>> that really a wanted situation (considering it has been like this for
>> years) ?
>>
>
> What do you mean?
> I understand that the db has a backup, correct? So in case of crash we can
> restart.
>
Yes there is a daily backup of the database.
but NOT of the www, and looking at the files, many seem adapted to our
needs. I updated index.php with changes from andrea and today with another
request.
On sites where I am admin, such changes are kept in svn, so we have the
history, on forums neither svn or standard backup is in place. www exist
only on the filesystem of the vm.
> In the past (before the move to Apache servers), there was of course
> periodic backups. I thought that this had been covered when the move
> occurred, even if we lost at that time our main [rather only] administrator.
>
Maybe its handled differently on the forum vm, but when I look in runbook
(place where infra document things like what to do if wm dies) I found no
answers.
rgds
jan I.
>
> Hagar
>
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 21/07/2013 15:36, janI a écrit :
>
> While I was in there I also checked the backup, there are no backup of the
> www only of the db. Meaning a dead disk and we can start from scratch. Is
> that really a wanted situation (considering it has been like this for
> years) ?
What do you mean?
I understand that the db has a backup, correct? So in case of crash we can restart.
In the past (before the move to Apache servers), there was of course periodic backups. I thought that this had been covered when the move occurred, even if we lost at that time our main [rather only] administrator.
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 21 July 2013 15:30, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> Am 07/21/2013 03:28 PM, schrieb janI:
>
> On 21 July 2013 15:14, Ricardo Berlasso<rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> One small detail: the second icon above the custom google search, the one
>>> pointing to the mailing lists page, still uses the "incubator.apache"
>>> address.
>>>
>>>
>>> I quess you mean:
>>
>> <a title="AOO eMail List Information" href="
>> http://incubator.apache.org/**openofficeorg/mailing-lists.**html<http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html>
>> ">
>>
>> I can change that, but to what: www.openoffice.org/mailing-**lists.html<http://www.openoffice.org/mailing-lists.html>,
>> does
>> not respond as I thought it would.
>>
>
> It's "http://openoffice.apache.org/**mailing-lists.html<http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html>
> ".
>
thx a lot.
Its changed !
While I was in there I also checked the backup, there are no backup of the
www only of the db. Meaning a dead disk and we can start from scratch. Is
that really a wanted situation (considering it has been like this for
years) ?
rgds
jan I.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
> I hope everybody is aware that our forums site is NOT in svn, and changes
>> only resides on the VM...in other words somebody will have a big challenge
>> if that VM dies.
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>> Ricardo
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/7/21 Ricardo Berlasso<rg...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> 2013/7/21 janI<ja...@apache.org>
>>>>
>>>> On 20 July 2013 23:04, Dave Fisher<da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16/07/2013 Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2013/1/13 RGB ES<rg...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The forum landing page still have the incubator logo:
>>>>>>>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/
>>>>>>>>> I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone working on this? It will be perfect if the page is fixed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>
>>>>>> 4.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have access to that machine and I prepared the files there, but I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> don't have enough privileges to actually put them online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is enough that someone with sudo access to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ooo-forums.apache.orgruns:
>>>>>
>>>>>> $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/apache-**logo.png /var/www/
>>>>>>> $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/index.php /var/www/
>>>>>>> to fix it (then the files owner can be set as it is now,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> www-data:www-data for the PNG file and www-data:phpbb for the PHP
>>>>>>
>>>>> file).
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> If someone wants to provide a 300x100 pixels replacement for
>>>>>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**forum-logo.png<http://forum.openoffice.org/forum-logo.png>
>>>>>>> I can make it available on that machine too if this helps as an
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> intermediate step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IRC with asfinfra.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No need for that, its done.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Great! Many thanks, Jan and Andrea!
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ricardo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> rgds
>>>>> jan I.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't forget to remove the disclaimer too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 07/21/2013 03:28 PM, schrieb janI:
> On 21 July 2013 15:14, Ricardo Berlasso<rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> One small detail: the second icon above the custom google search, the one
>> pointing to the mailing lists page, still uses the "incubator.apache"
>> address.
>>
>>
> I quess you mean:
>
> <a title="AOO eMail List Information" href="
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html">
>
> I can change that, but to what: www.openoffice.org/mailing-lists.html, does
> not respond as I thought it would.
It's "http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html".
Marcus
> I hope everybody is aware that our forums site is NOT in svn, and changes
> only resides on the VM...in other words somebody will have a big challenge
> if that VM dies.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
> Regards
>> Ricardo
>>
>>
>> 2013/7/21 Ricardo Berlasso<rg...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> 2013/7/21 janI<ja...@apache.org>
>>>
>>>> On 20 July 2013 23:04, Dave Fisher<da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16/07/2013 Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
>>>>>>> 2013/1/13 RGB ES<rg...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> The forum landing page still have the incubator logo:
>>>>>>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/
>>>>>>>> I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo.
>>>>>>> Anyone working on this? It will be perfect if the page is fixed
>>>> before
>>>>> 4.0
>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have access to that machine and I prepared the files there, but I
>>>>> don't have enough privileges to actually put them online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is enough that someone with sudo access to
>>>> ooo-forums.apache.orgruns:
>>>>>> $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/apache-logo.png /var/www/
>>>>>> $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/index.php /var/www/
>>>>>> to fix it (then the files owner can be set as it is now,
>>>>> www-data:www-data for the PNG file and www-data:phpbb for the PHP
>> file).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone wants to provide a 300x100 pixels replacement for
>>>>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/forum-logo.png
>>>>>> I can make it available on that machine too if this helps as an
>>>>> intermediate step.
>>>>>
>>>>> IRC with asfinfra.
>>>>>
>>>> No need for that, its done.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Great! Many thanks, Jan and Andrea!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ricardo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> rgds
>>>> jan I.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget to remove the disclaimer too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Andrea.
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 21 July 2013 15:14, Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One small detail: the second icon above the custom google search, the one
> pointing to the mailing lists page, still uses the "incubator.apache"
> address.
>
>
I quess you mean:
<a title="AOO eMail List Information" href="
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html">
I can change that, but to what: www.openoffice.org/mailing-lists.html, does
not respond as I thought it would.
I hope everybody is aware that our forums site is NOT in svn, and changes
only resides on the VM...in other words somebody will have a big challenge
if that VM dies.
rgds
jan I.
Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
> 2013/7/21 Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>
>
> > 2013/7/21 janI <ja...@apache.org>
> >
> >> On 20 July 2013 23:04, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On 16/07/2013 Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> >> > >> 2013/1/13 RGB ES<rg...@gmail.com>
> >> > >>> The forum landing page still have the incubator logo:
> >> > >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/
> >> > >>> I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo.
> >> > >> Anyone working on this? It will be perfect if the page is fixed
> >> before
> >> > 4.0
> >> > >> release.
> >> > >
> >> > > I have access to that machine and I prepared the files there, but I
> >> > don't have enough privileges to actually put them online.
> >> > >
> >> > > It is enough that someone with sudo access to
> >> ooo-forums.apache.orgruns:
> >> > > $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/apache-logo.png /var/www/
> >> > > $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/index.php /var/www/
> >> > > to fix it (then the files owner can be set as it is now,
> >> > www-data:www-data for the PNG file and www-data:phpbb for the PHP
> file).
> >> > >
> >> > > If someone wants to provide a 300x100 pixels replacement for
> >> > > http://forum.openoffice.org/forum-logo.png
> >> > > I can make it available on that machine too if this helps as an
> >> > intermediate step.
> >> >
> >> > IRC with asfinfra.
> >> >
> >> No need for that, its done.
> >>
> >
> > Great! Many thanks, Jan and Andrea!
> >
> > Regards
> > Ricardo
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> rgds
> >> jan I.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Don't forget to remove the disclaimer too.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Dave
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > > Andrea.
> >> > >
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>.
One small detail: the second icon above the custom google search, the one
pointing to the mailing lists page, still uses the "incubator.apache"
address.
Regards
Ricardo
2013/7/21 Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>
> 2013/7/21 janI <ja...@apache.org>
>
>> On 20 July 2013 23:04, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 16/07/2013 Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
>> > >> 2013/1/13 RGB ES<rg...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> The forum landing page still have the incubator logo:
>> > >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/
>> > >>> I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo.
>> > >> Anyone working on this? It will be perfect if the page is fixed
>> before
>> > 4.0
>> > >> release.
>> > >
>> > > I have access to that machine and I prepared the files there, but I
>> > don't have enough privileges to actually put them online.
>> > >
>> > > It is enough that someone with sudo access to
>> ooo-forums.apache.orgruns:
>> > > $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/apache-logo.png /var/www/
>> > > $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/index.php /var/www/
>> > > to fix it (then the files owner can be set as it is now,
>> > www-data:www-data for the PNG file and www-data:phpbb for the PHP file).
>> > >
>> > > If someone wants to provide a 300x100 pixels replacement for
>> > > http://forum.openoffice.org/forum-logo.png
>> > > I can make it available on that machine too if this helps as an
>> > intermediate step.
>> >
>> > IRC with asfinfra.
>> >
>> No need for that, its done.
>>
>
> Great! Many thanks, Jan and Andrea!
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Don't forget to remove the disclaimer too.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Andrea.
>> > >
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/7/21 janI <ja...@apache.org>
> On 20 July 2013 23:04, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> >
> > > On 16/07/2013 Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> > >> 2013/1/13 RGB ES<rg...@gmail.com>
> > >>> The forum landing page still have the incubator logo:
> > >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/
> > >>> I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo.
> > >> Anyone working on this? It will be perfect if the page is fixed before
> > 4.0
> > >> release.
> > >
> > > I have access to that machine and I prepared the files there, but I
> > don't have enough privileges to actually put them online.
> > >
> > > It is enough that someone with sudo access to
> ooo-forums.apache.orgruns:
> > > $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/apache-logo.png /var/www/
> > > $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/index.php /var/www/
> > > to fix it (then the files owner can be set as it is now,
> > www-data:www-data for the PNG file and www-data:phpbb for the PHP file).
> > >
> > > If someone wants to provide a 300x100 pixels replacement for
> > > http://forum.openoffice.org/forum-logo.png
> > > I can make it available on that machine too if this helps as an
> > intermediate step.
> >
> > IRC with asfinfra.
> >
> No need for that, its done.
>
Great! Many thanks, Jan and Andrea!
Regards
Ricardo
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 20 July 2013 23:04, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>
> > On 16/07/2013 Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> >> 2013/1/13 RGB ES<rg...@gmail.com>
> >>> The forum landing page still have the incubator logo:
> >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/
> >>> I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo.
> >> Anyone working on this? It will be perfect if the page is fixed before
> 4.0
> >> release.
> >
> > I have access to that machine and I prepared the files there, but I
> don't have enough privileges to actually put them online.
> >
> > It is enough that someone with sudo access to ooo-forums.apache.orgruns:
> > $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/apache-logo.png /var/www/
> > $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/index.php /var/www/
> > to fix it (then the files owner can be set as it is now,
> www-data:www-data for the PNG file and www-data:phpbb for the PHP file).
> >
> > If someone wants to provide a 300x100 pixels replacement for
> > http://forum.openoffice.org/forum-logo.png
> > I can make it available on that machine too if this helps as an
> intermediate step.
>
> IRC with asfinfra.
>
No need for that, its done.
rgds
jan I.
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 16/07/2013 Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
>> 2013/1/13 RGB ES<rg...@gmail.com>
>>> The forum landing page still have the incubator logo:
>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/
>>> I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo.
>> Anyone working on this? It will be perfect if the page is fixed before 4.0
>> release.
>
> I have access to that machine and I prepared the files there, but I don't have enough privileges to actually put them online.
>
> It is enough that someone with sudo access to ooo-forums.apache.org runs:
> $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/apache-logo.png /var/www/
> $ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/index.php /var/www/
> to fix it (then the files owner can be set as it is now, www-data:www-data for the PNG file and www-data:phpbb for the PHP file).
>
> If someone wants to provide a 300x100 pixels replacement for
> http://forum.openoffice.org/forum-logo.png
> I can make it available on that machine too if this helps as an intermediate step.
IRC with asfinfra.
Don't forget to remove the disclaimer too.
Regards,
Dave
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> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 16/07/2013 Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> 2013/1/13 RGB ES<rg...@gmail.com>
>> The forum landing page still have the incubator logo:
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/
>> I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo.
> Anyone working on this? It will be perfect if the page is fixed before 4.0
> release.
I have access to that machine and I prepared the files there, but I
don't have enough privileges to actually put them online.
It is enough that someone with sudo access to ooo-forums.apache.org runs:
$ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/apache-logo.png /var/www/
$ sudo cp /home/pescetti/www/index.php /var/www/
to fix it (then the files owner can be set as it is now,
www-data:www-data for the PNG file and www-data:phpbb for the PHP file).
If someone wants to provide a 300x100 pixels replacement for
http://forum.openoffice.org/forum-logo.png
I can make it available on that machine too if this helps as an
intermediate step.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: [WWW]Forum landing page
Posted by Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/1/13 RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>
> The forum landing page still have the incubator logo:
>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/
>
> I think it needs to be replaced by the Apache logo.
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
Anyone working on this? It will be perfect if the page is fixed before 4.0
release.
Note that this page is not on svn, so only few people have access to its
source (Imacat and Drew, I think).
Regards
Ricardo