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[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-706) Remove axion from Geronimo assembly and remove default-database-plan.xml
Remove axion from Geronimo assembly and remove default-database-plan.xml
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Key: GERONIMO-706
URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-706
Project: Geronimo
Type: Task
Reporter: John Sisson
Priority: Minor
A number of existing documents will be impacted by this change (some of them being):
'Available configurations' section of http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo/Running
'Database configuration' section of http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo/Working_with_Enterprise_JavaBeans
Aaron's book refers to 'org/apache/geronimo/DefaultDatabase' and DefaultDatasource in many places.
IBM Articles http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ag-client/ and http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ag-tomcat/
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[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-706) Change default-database-plan.xml to use Derby and remove axion from Geronimo assembly
Posted by "David Jencks (JIRA)" <de...@geronimo.apache.org>.
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David Jencks updated GERONIMO-706:
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Fix Version: 1.0-M5
> Change default-database-plan.xml to use Derby and remove axion from Geronimo assembly
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: GERONIMO-706
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-706
> Project: Geronimo
> Type: Task
> Versions: 1.0-M5
> Reporter: John Sisson
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 1.0-M5
>
> There have been comments that axion is handy but dead and a number of people have agreed we should remove it. Currently we are using axion version 1.0-M3-dev.
> I think more discussion is required as to whether the default database configuration should be distributed with Geronimo. See the mail thread:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=112059438311834&w=2
> Should we at least take the first step of replacing Axion with Derby in the default database plan? If so do we want to do this in M4 or M5?
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[jira] Assigned: (GERONIMO-706) Change default-database-plan.xml to use Derby and remove axion from Geronimo assembly
Posted by "David Jencks (JIRA)" <de...@geronimo.apache.org>.
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David Jencks reassigned GERONIMO-706:
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Assign To: Dain Sundstrom
Are you doing this dain? If not unassign it
> Change default-database-plan.xml to use Derby and remove axion from Geronimo assembly
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: GERONIMO-706
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-706
> Project: Geronimo
> Type: Task
> Versions: 1.0-M5
> Reporter: John Sisson
> Assignee: Dain Sundstrom
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 1.0-M5
>
> There have been comments that axion is handy but dead and a number of people have agreed we should remove it. Currently we are using axion version 1.0-M3-dev.
> I think more discussion is required as to whether the default database configuration should be distributed with Geronimo. See the mail thread:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=112059438311834&w=2
> Should we at least take the first step of replacing Axion with Derby in the default database plan? If so do we want to do this in M4 or M5?
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Re: [jira] Created: (GERONIMO-706) Remove axion from Geronimo assembly and remove default-database-plan.xml
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
+1 for either of these options
-dain
On Jul 5, 2005, at 7:00 AM, Jacek Laskowski wrote:
> sissonj@insession.com wrote:
>
>
>> a) Keep it and change it to use Derby rather than axion, so it is
>> available for Demo applications etc?
>>
>
> I like the default-database-plan.xml which tells you what default
> database Geronimo is tested against. Then, others dbs could have
> their own plans with the name name-version-database-plan.xml.
>
>
>> c) Remove it and enhance the izpack installer to enable the user
>> to create a new database, prompting the user for a database name
>> and a configuration Id to give to the generated plan. The
>> downside to this is that users probably won't be thinking this far
>> ahead (about databases) when installing Geronimo.
>>
>
> Instead of removing it, it'd be better off just enhancing the
> izpack installer. So, before asking a user for details, it would
> ask if (s)he wants to change anything in the default db configuration.
>
> Jacek
>
Re: [jira] Created: (GERONIMO-706) Remove axion from Geronimo assembly
and remove default-database-plan.xml
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
We should think about whether we want to distribute Geronimo with
configurations like this installed, or just with plans you can customize
and install yourself. For example, it would be nice to have a directory
of JDBC plans for many major databases, but I don't think it would be such
a good idea to have them all installed into the server. I guess an
embedded product like Derby might be an exception (if no
username/password/schema customization is required).
But generally I'd prefer to distribute a clean server, with
perhaps a "samples" directory and a script to install the plans for some
or all of the samples. So it starts totally clean (no databases, JMS
destinations, sample apps, etc. besides what's required by the server and
a management console) but there's a single command to throw all the
samples in if you like.
Aaron
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Jeremy Boynes wrote:
> When I added SystemDatabase I kept the DefaultDatabase plan around
> purely to avoid issues with installations at the time - back then Derby
> had not produced even an unofficial release from the incubator.
>
> We have been trying to encourage people to use Derby for nearly a year
> now. I think it is time to finally kill off axion and replace it with
> just Derby.
>
> We should keep the DefaultDatabase datasource around and separate from
> the system one - I would suggest as another database in the same
> instance. One is intended to be used by applications, the other just by
> the system itself.
>
> --
> Jeremy
>
> Jacek Laskowski wrote:
> > sissonj@insession.com wrote:
> >
> >> a) Keep it and change it to use Derby rather than axion, so it is
> >> available for Demo applications etc?
> >
> >
> > I like the default-database-plan.xml which tells you what default
> > database Geronimo is tested against. Then, others dbs could have their
> > own plans with the name name-version-database-plan.xml.
> >
> >> c) Remove it and enhance the izpack installer to enable the user to
> >> create a new database, prompting the user for a database name and a
> >> configuration Id to give to the generated plan. The downside to this
> >> is that users probably won't be thinking this far ahead (about
> >> databases) when installing Geronimo.
> >
> >
> > Instead of removing it, it'd be better off just enhancing the izpack
> > installer. So, before asking a user for details, it would ask if (s)he
> > wants to change anything in the default db configuration.
> >
> > Jacek
> >
>
>
Re: [jira] Created: (GERONIMO-706) Remove axion from Geronimo assembly
and remove default-database-plan.xml
Posted by Jeremy Boynes <jb...@apache.org>.
When I added SystemDatabase I kept the DefaultDatabase plan around
purely to avoid issues with installations at the time - back then Derby
had not produced even an unofficial release from the incubator.
We have been trying to encourage people to use Derby for nearly a year
now. I think it is time to finally kill off axion and replace it with
just Derby.
We should keep the DefaultDatabase datasource around and separate from
the system one - I would suggest as another database in the same
instance. One is intended to be used by applications, the other just by
the system itself.
--
Jeremy
Jacek Laskowski wrote:
> sissonj@insession.com wrote:
>
>> a) Keep it and change it to use Derby rather than axion, so it is
>> available for Demo applications etc?
>
>
> I like the default-database-plan.xml which tells you what default
> database Geronimo is tested against. Then, others dbs could have their
> own plans with the name name-version-database-plan.xml.
>
>> c) Remove it and enhance the izpack installer to enable the user to
>> create a new database, prompting the user for a database name and a
>> configuration Id to give to the generated plan. The downside to this
>> is that users probably won't be thinking this far ahead (about
>> databases) when installing Geronimo.
>
>
> Instead of removing it, it'd be better off just enhancing the izpack
> installer. So, before asking a user for details, it would ask if (s)he
> wants to change anything in the default db configuration.
>
> Jacek
>
Re: [jira] Created: (GERONIMO-706) Remove axion from Geronimo assembly
and remove default-database-plan.xml
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <jl...@apache.org>.
sissonj@insession.com wrote:
> a) Keep it and change it to use Derby rather than axion, so it is
> available for Demo applications etc?
I like the default-database-plan.xml which tells you what default
database Geronimo is tested against. Then, others dbs could have their
own plans with the name name-version-database-plan.xml.
> c) Remove it and enhance the izpack installer to enable the user to create
> a new database, prompting the user for a database name and a configuration
> Id to give to the generated plan. The downside to this is that users
> probably won't be thinking this far ahead (about databases) when
> installing Geronimo.
Instead of removing it, it'd be better off just enhancing the izpack
installer. So, before asking a user for details, it would ask if (s)he
wants to change anything in the default db configuration.
Jacek
Re: [jira] Created: (GERONIMO-706) Remove axion from Geronimo assembly and
remove default-database-plan.xml
Posted by si...@insession.com.
Jacek Laskowski <jl...@apache.org> wrote on 05/07/2005 06:39:32 PM:
> sissonj@insession.com wrote:
> > Should this be done prior to M4, as it is only going to impact more
people
> > the later we leave it?
>
> Why not? Report an JIRA issue, assign it to you and voila - it's all
> yours. I'm sure you'll have fixed it by the M4 branch is created.
>
I am having second thoughts about whether we should remove the
default-database-plan.xml file.
Some options could be:
a) Keep it and change it to use Derby rather than axion, so it is
available for Demo applications etc?
b) Remove it as people may misuse it (e.g. deploying non demo applications
on it, where two applications could end up using the same table names
etc). This would mean the current izpack installer would need to be
changed to remove the axion/default database stuff.
c) Remove it and enhance the izpack installer to enable the user to create
a new database, prompting the user for a database name and a configuration
Id to give to the generated plan. The downside to this is that users
probably won't be thinking this far ahead (about databases) when
installing Geronimo.
> > John
>
> Jacek
>
Re: [jira] Created: (GERONIMO-706) Remove axion from Geronimo assembly
and remove default-database-plan.xml
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <jl...@apache.org>.
sissonj@insession.com wrote:
> Should this be done prior to M4, as it is only going to impact more people
> the later we leave it?
Why not? Report an JIRA issue, assign it to you and voila - it's all
yours. I'm sure you'll have fixed it by the M4 branch is created.
> John
Jacek
Re: [jira] Created: (GERONIMO-706) Remove axion from Geronimo assembly and
remove default-database-plan.xml
Posted by si...@insession.com.
Should this be done prior to M4, as it is only going to impact more people
the later we leave it?
John
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"John Sisson (JIRA)" <de...@geronimo.apache.org> wrote on 05/07/2005
04:19:11 PM:
> Remove axion from Geronimo assembly and remove default-database-plan.xml
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: GERONIMO-706
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-706
> Project: Geronimo
> Type: Task
> Reporter: John Sisson
> Priority: Minor
>
>
> A number of existing documents will be impacted by this change (some
> of them being):
>
> 'Available configurations' section of
http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo/Running
> 'Database configuration' section of http://wiki.apache.
> org/geronimo/Working_with_Enterprise_JavaBeans
> Aaron's book refers to 'org/apache/geronimo/DefaultDatabase' and
> DefaultDatasource in many places.
>
> IBM Articles http://www-128.ibm.
> com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ag-client/ and http:
> //www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ag-tomcat/
>
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[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-706) Change default-database-plan.xml to use Derby and remove axion from Geronimo assembly
Posted by "John Sisson (JIRA)" <de...@geronimo.apache.org>.
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-706?page=all ]
John Sisson updated GERONIMO-706:
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Summary: Change default-database-plan.xml to use Derby and remove axion from Geronimo assembly (was: Remove axion from Geronimo assembly and remove default-database-plan.xml)
Description:
There have been comments that axion is handy but dead and a number of people have agreed we should remove it. Currently we are using axion version 1.0-M3-dev.
I think more discussion is required as to whether the default database configuration should be distributed with Geronimo. See the mail thread:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=112059438311834&w=2
Should we at least take the first step of replacing Axion with Derby in the default database plan? If so do we want to do this in M4 or M5?
was:
A number of existing documents will be impacted by this change (some of them being):
'Available configurations' section of http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo/Running
'Database configuration' section of http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo/Working_with_Enterprise_JavaBeans
Aaron's book refers to 'org/apache/geronimo/DefaultDatabase' and DefaultDatasource in many places.
IBM Articles http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ag-client/ and http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ag-tomcat/
Version: 1.0-M5
> Change default-database-plan.xml to use Derby and remove axion from Geronimo assembly
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: GERONIMO-706
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-706
> Project: Geronimo
> Type: Task
> Versions: 1.0-M5
> Reporter: John Sisson
> Priority: Minor
>
> There have been comments that axion is handy but dead and a number of people have agreed we should remove it. Currently we are using axion version 1.0-M3-dev.
> I think more discussion is required as to whether the default database configuration should be distributed with Geronimo. See the mail thread:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=112059438311834&w=2
> Should we at least take the first step of replacing Axion with Derby in the default database plan? If so do we want to do this in M4 or M5?
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[jira] Closed: (GERONIMO-706) Change default-database-plan.xml to use Derby and remove axion from Geronimo assembly
Posted by "Dain Sundstrom (JIRA)" <de...@geronimo.apache.org>.
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Dain Sundstrom closed GERONIMO-706:
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Resolution: Fixed
Completed in revision 240152
> Change default-database-plan.xml to use Derby and remove axion from Geronimo assembly
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: GERONIMO-706
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-706
> Project: Geronimo
> Type: Task
> Versions: 1.0-M5
> Reporter: John Sisson
> Assignee: Dain Sundstrom
> Priority: Minor
> Fix For: 1.0-M5
>
> There have been comments that axion is handy but dead and a number of people have agreed we should remove it. Currently we are using axion version 1.0-M3-dev.
> I think more discussion is required as to whether the default database configuration should be distributed with Geronimo. See the mail thread:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=geronimo-dev&m=112059438311834&w=2
> Should we at least take the first step of replacing Axion with Derby in the default database plan? If so do we want to do this in M4 or M5?
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