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[PROPOSAL] Rename admin service to instance service
Hi all,
In our current work to clean and more user-friendly Karaf 3.0, I would
like to propose to rename the admin service to instance service.
Especially the admin:* commands and AdminMBean are not very clear for
the users (admin can mean a lot of things).
I propose to rename this to instance:
admin:list will become instance:list
admin:create will become instance:create
etc
WDYT ?
Regards
JB
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename admin service to instance service
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Mike,
fully agree. 3.0 is the good time to enhance this feature ;)
Regards
JB
On 10/18/2011 04:02 PM, mikevan wrote:
> +1 with this change on 3.0. I'm not convinced that 3.0 would need the
> aliasing, but hey, if it makes sense why not? Understanding that you're
> trying to clear our some of our technical debt, this feature appears to be
> underused. In a cloud-based environment, I wonder if this feature might be
> detrimental instead of benefitial. What use-cases are there for creating
> child instance of an OSGi container on a virtual machine? I have yet to see
> one that makes sense.
>
>
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In our current work to clean and more user-friendly Karaf 3.0, I would
>> like to propose to rename the admin service to instance service.
>>
>> Especially the admin:* commands and AdminMBean are not very clear for
>> the users (admin can mean a lot of things).
>>
>> I propose to rename this to instance:
>>
>> admin:list will become instance:list
>> admin:create will become instance:create
>> etc
>>
>> WDYT ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename admin service to instance service
Posted by mikevan <mv...@comcast.net>.
+1 with this change on 3.0. I'm not convinced that 3.0 would need the
aliasing, but hey, if it makes sense why not? Understanding that you're
trying to clear our some of our technical debt, this feature appears to be
underused. In a cloud-based environment, I wonder if this feature might be
detrimental instead of benefitial. What use-cases are there for creating
child instance of an OSGi container on a virtual machine? I have yet to see
one that makes sense.
Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> In our current work to clean and more user-friendly Karaf 3.0, I would
> like to propose to rename the admin service to instance service.
>
> Especially the admin:* commands and AdminMBean are not very clear for
> the users (admin can mean a lot of things).
>
> I propose to rename this to instance:
>
> admin:list will become instance:list
> admin:create will become instance:create
> etc
>
> WDYT ?
>
> Regards
> JB
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
-----
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Committer - Kalumet
Atraxia Technologies
NCI Inc
Mike Van's Open Source Technologies Blog
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename admin service to instance service
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Charles,
you're right. We are talking about Karaf 3.0 of course, we don't change
anything on the Karaf 2.2.x branch.
For backward compatibility, in Karaf 3.0, we can provide aliases in
shell.init.config file.
Regards
JB
On 10/18/2011 12:09 PM, Charles Moulliard wrote:
> Hi JB,
>
> This is an interesting suggestion but we should be backward compatible
> with what we have done before. That means that if we modify admin:*
> command name then we have also to modify the script in the bin
> directory from admin into instance. BTW, that could be a bit annoying
> for operations guys having create scripts to start/stop instances or
> create new instances as they will have to change admin into instance
> into their scripts (sh, perl, ...) ! Be careful.
>
> Regards
>
> Charles
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré<jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In our current work to clean and more user-friendly Karaf 3.0, I would like
>> to propose to rename the admin service to instance service.
>>
>> Especially the admin:* commands and AdminMBean are not very clear for the
>> users (admin can mean a lot of things).
>>
>> I propose to rename this to instance:
>>
>> admin:list will become instance:list
>> admin:create will become instance:create
>> etc
>>
>> WDYT ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename admin service to instance service
Posted by Ioannis Canellos <io...@gmail.com>.
I agree, if we are to do such cleanup, then 3.0.0 is the place to do so.
+1
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename admin service to instance service
Posted by "Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>.
+1 Karaf 3.0 is the place to do that, and having the aliases for
backward compatibility should be sufficient for most users.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Charles Moulliard <cm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for renaming, to be consistent in the name (features --> feature,
> ....) and adding in shell.init.script aliases for backward
> compatibility
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Achim Nierbeck
> <bc...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> +1 on renaming, if we can't get it done with a 3.0 when else should we be
>> able to.
>> I'm a big fan of "clean cut" every now and then :)
>>
>> regards, Achim
>>
>> 2011/10/18 Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> On one hand I'm with Charles; but on the other hand I think we should not
>>> be
>>> caught up by backward compatibility. That's what major releases are for and
>>> we should increase karaf's usability if we have a chance to do so, even if
>>> it means to set up some already existing users... --> +1 to the rename; tbh
>>> I was always curious about the name :-)
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:09, Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi JB,
>>> >
>>> > This is an interesting suggestion but we should be backward compatible
>>> > with what we have done before. That means that if we modify admin:*
>>> > command name then we have also to modify the script in the bin
>>> > directory from admin into instance. BTW, that could be a bit annoying
>>> > for operations guys having create scripts to start/stop instances or
>>> > create new instances as they will have to change admin into instance
>>> > into their scripts (sh, perl, ...) ! Be careful.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > Charles
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > Hi all,
>>> > >
>>> > > In our current work to clean and more user-friendly Karaf 3.0, I would
>>> > like
>>> > > to propose to rename the admin service to instance service.
>>> > >
>>> > > Especially the admin:* commands and AdminMBean are not very clear for
>>> the
>>> > > users (admin can mean a lot of things).
>>> > >
>>> > > I propose to rename this to instance:
>>> > >
>>> > > admin:list will become instance:list
>>> > > admin:create will become instance:create
>>> > > etc
>>> > >
>>> > > WDYT ?
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards
>>> > > JB
>>> > > --
>>> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> > > jbonofre@apache.org
>>> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Achim Nierbeck*
>>
>>
>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
>> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
>> Project Lead
>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename admin service to instance service
Posted by Charles Moulliard <cm...@gmail.com>.
+1 for renaming, to be consistent in the name (features --> feature,
....) and adding in shell.init.script aliases for backward
compatibility
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Achim Nierbeck
<bc...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> +1 on renaming, if we can't get it done with a 3.0 when else should we be
> able to.
> I'm a big fan of "clean cut" every now and then :)
>
> regards, Achim
>
> 2011/10/18 Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>
>
>> On one hand I'm with Charles; but on the other hand I think we should not
>> be
>> caught up by backward compatibility. That's what major releases are for and
>> we should increase karaf's usability if we have a chance to do so, even if
>> it means to set up some already existing users... --> +1 to the rename; tbh
>> I was always curious about the name :-)
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:09, Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Hi JB,
>> >
>> > This is an interesting suggestion but we should be backward compatible
>> > with what we have done before. That means that if we modify admin:*
>> > command name then we have also to modify the script in the bin
>> > directory from admin into instance. BTW, that could be a bit annoying
>> > for operations guys having create scripts to start/stop instances or
>> > create new instances as they will have to change admin into instance
>> > into their scripts (sh, perl, ...) ! Be careful.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Charles
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > In our current work to clean and more user-friendly Karaf 3.0, I would
>> > like
>> > > to propose to rename the admin service to instance service.
>> > >
>> > > Especially the admin:* commands and AdminMBean are not very clear for
>> the
>> > > users (admin can mean a lot of things).
>> > >
>> > > I propose to rename this to instance:
>> > >
>> > > admin:list will become instance:list
>> > > admin:create will become instance:create
>> > > etc
>> > >
>> > > WDYT ?
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > JB
>> > > --
>> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> > > jbonofre@apache.org
>> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Achim Nierbeck*
>
>
> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
> Project Lead
> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename admin service to instance service
Posted by Achim Nierbeck <bc...@googlemail.com>.
+1 on renaming, if we can't get it done with a 3.0 when else should we be
able to.
I'm a big fan of "clean cut" every now and then :)
regards, Achim
2011/10/18 Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>
> On one hand I'm with Charles; but on the other hand I think we should not
> be
> caught up by backward compatibility. That's what major releases are for and
> we should increase karaf's usability if we have a chance to do so, even if
> it means to set up some already existing users... --> +1 to the rename; tbh
> I was always curious about the name :-)
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:09, Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi JB,
> >
> > This is an interesting suggestion but we should be backward compatible
> > with what we have done before. That means that if we modify admin:*
> > command name then we have also to modify the script in the bin
> > directory from admin into instance. BTW, that could be a bit annoying
> > for operations guys having create scripts to start/stop instances or
> > create new instances as they will have to change admin into instance
> > into their scripts (sh, perl, ...) ! Be careful.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > In our current work to clean and more user-friendly Karaf 3.0, I would
> > like
> > > to propose to rename the admin service to instance service.
> > >
> > > Especially the admin:* commands and AdminMBean are not very clear for
> the
> > > users (admin can mean a lot of things).
> > >
> > > I propose to rename this to instance:
> > >
> > > admin:list will become instance:list
> > > admin:create will become instance:create
> > > etc
> > >
> > > WDYT ?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > > --
> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > > jbonofre@apache.org
> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com
> > >
> >
>
--
--
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Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer &
Project Lead
blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename admin service to instance service
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
On one hand I'm with Charles; but on the other hand I think we should not be
caught up by backward compatibility. That's what major releases are for and
we should increase karaf's usability if we have a chance to do so, even if
it means to set up some already existing users... --> +1 to the rename; tbh
I was always curious about the name :-)
Kind regards,
Andreas
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:09, Charles Moulliard <cm...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi JB,
>
> This is an interesting suggestion but we should be backward compatible
> with what we have done before. That means that if we modify admin:*
> command name then we have also to modify the script in the bin
> directory from admin into instance. BTW, that could be a bit annoying
> for operations guys having create scripts to start/stop instances or
> create new instances as they will have to change admin into instance
> into their scripts (sh, perl, ...) ! Be careful.
>
> Regards
>
> Charles
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In our current work to clean and more user-friendly Karaf 3.0, I would
> like
> > to propose to rename the admin service to instance service.
> >
> > Especially the admin:* commands and AdminMBean are not very clear for the
> > users (admin can mean a lot of things).
> >
> > I propose to rename this to instance:
> >
> > admin:list will become instance:list
> > admin:create will become instance:create
> > etc
> >
> > WDYT ?
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> > --
> > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > jbonofre@apache.org
> > http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Rename admin service to instance service
Posted by Charles Moulliard <cm...@gmail.com>.
Hi JB,
This is an interesting suggestion but we should be backward compatible
with what we have done before. That means that if we modify admin:*
command name then we have also to modify the script in the bin
directory from admin into instance. BTW, that could be a bit annoying
for operations guys having create scripts to start/stop instances or
create new instances as they will have to change admin into instance
into their scripts (sh, perl, ...) ! Be careful.
Regards
Charles
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In our current work to clean and more user-friendly Karaf 3.0, I would like
> to propose to rename the admin service to instance service.
>
> Especially the admin:* commands and AdminMBean are not very clear for the
> users (admin can mean a lot of things).
>
> I propose to rename this to instance:
>
> admin:list will become instance:list
> admin:create will become instance:create
> etc
>
> WDYT ?
>
> Regards
> JB
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>