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Posted to dev@tomee.apache.org by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com> on 2015/04/07 13:16:34 UTC
Add snapshot link on our website.
Hi,
I see very often questions about how to download Apache TomEE snapshots.
Each and every time, Romain's daemon answers.
Was wondering, if that would be better to add this on our website.
Some years ago it was if I recall.
JLouis
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
Re: Add snapshot link on our website.
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
According to our Google Analytics exactly 0.09% of our traffic saw the SNAPSHOT page in the last 12 months.
This seems reasonable and within the spirit of the rule. I'll include this in our next board report and get input.
--
David Blevins
http://twitter.com/dblevins
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:38 AM, Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I remember seeing a jira case to remove the snapshot link from our web
> site. It is related to what this page defines...
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
>
> " *Do not include any links on the project website that might encourage *
> *non-developers** to download and use nightly builds, snapshots, release
> candidates, or any other similar package.* "
>
> I dont like this rule, but its there.
>
> []s,
> Thiago - in parental leave mode.
> On 7 Apr 2015 7:17 am, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I see very often questions about how to download Apache TomEE snapshots.
>> Each and every time, Romain's daemon answers.
>>
>> Was wondering, if that would be better to add this on our website.
>> Some years ago it was if I recall.
>>
>> JLouis
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Louis Monteiro
>> http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>>
Re: Add snapshot link on our website.
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
That what I said. No requirement but if not the case and a PMC is not
available to finish the release issues start so it is an implicit
requirement IMO.
Le 14 avr. 2015 23:47, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> On Apr 7, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Any committers willing to release, can do it, and I'm more than
convince
> >> that current PMCs would be more than happy to help.
> >>
> >
> > :) check apache release rules. This is wrong even if anyone can start it
> > only pmc can actually make it.
>
>
> Apache has very few actual rules. It has as many guidelines as there are
committers.
>
> The actual rules:
>
> - Each release needs at least 3 +1 votes from PMC members.
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> There is no documented requirement that the person to roll the release be
on the PMC.
>
>
> -David
>
Re: Add snapshot link on our website.
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
On Apr 7, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Any committers willing to release, can do it, and I'm more than convince
>> that current PMCs would be more than happy to help.
>>
>
> :) check apache release rules. This is wrong even if anyone can start it
> only pmc can actually make it.
Apache has very few actual rules. It has as many guidelines as there are committers.
The actual rules:
- Each release needs at least 3 +1 votes from PMC members.
https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
There is no documented requirement that the person to roll the release be on the PMC.
-David
Re: Add snapshot link on our website.
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
hey hey
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Le 7 avr. 2015 17:17, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com> a
> écrit :
> >
> > >
> > > > @Romain, right it's not pmc only, it's more who has time to do that
> on a
> > > > regular basis?
> > > >
> > >
> > > That what David said but it is wrong. While pmc dont drive it releases
> are
> > > broken - it just hurts on jcs for instance. Only pmc can do them so if
> they
> > > block no need to start any release.
> > >
> >
> > This is not the Apache way. If it's not the case on Apache JCS it's
> another
> > point.
> > After many years involved in this community especially I don't see anyone
> > including any PMC preventing any release to occur or even start.
> >
> > Any committers willing to release, can do it, and I'm more than convince
> > that current PMCs would be more than happy to help.
> >
>
> :) check apache release rules. This is wrong even if anyone can start it
> only pmc can actually make it.
>
> Willing doesnt mean doing, you know it ;)
>
> > --
> > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > http://www.tomitribe.com
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Le 7 avr. 2015 16:01, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com>
> a
> > > écrit :
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Thiago. Dunno what was the reason but I'm not happy as well.
> > > > Basically we (Romain's daemon) need to always answer the same
> question
> > > and
> > > > point to the Apache Snapshot repo.
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering if the jira was not targeting the Apache Mirrors.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well apache website documents it
> > >
> > > > @Romain, right it's not pmc only, it's more who has time to do that
> on a
> > > > regular basis?
> > > >
> > >
> > > That what David said but it is wrong. While pmc dont drive it releases
> are
> > > broken - it just hurts on jcs for instance. Only pmc can do them so if
> they
> > > block no need to start any release.
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well current state is weird cause really in dev but then we can
> just
> > > try to
> > > > > ensure we release more often - pmc if you read it ;).
> > > > > Le 7 avr. 2015 13:40, "Thiago Veronezi" <th...@veronezi.org> a
> écrit
> > > :
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I remember seeing a jira case to remove the snapshot link from
> our
> > > web
> > > > > > site. It is related to what this page defines...
> > > > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > " *Do not include any links on the project website that might
> > > encourage *
> > > > > > *non-developers** to download and use nightly builds, snapshots,
> > > release
> > > > > > candidates, or any other similar package.* "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I dont like this rule, but its there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > []s,
> > > > > > Thiago - in parental leave mode.
> > > > > > On 7 Apr 2015 7:17 am, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <
> > > jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I see very often questions about how to download Apache TomEE
> > > > > snapshots.
> > > > > > > Each and every time, Romain's daemon answers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Was wondering, if that would be better to add this on our
> website.
> > > > > > > Some years ago it was if I recall.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JLouis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > > > > > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > > > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
Re: Add snapshot link on our website.
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Le 7 avr. 2015 17:17, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com> a
écrit :
>
> >
> > > @Romain, right it's not pmc only, it's more who has time to do that
on a
> > > regular basis?
> > >
> >
> > That what David said but it is wrong. While pmc dont drive it releases
are
> > broken - it just hurts on jcs for instance. Only pmc can do them so if
they
> > block no need to start any release.
> >
>
> This is not the Apache way. If it's not the case on Apache JCS it's
another
> point.
> After many years involved in this community especially I don't see anyone
> including any PMC preventing any release to occur or even start.
>
> Any committers willing to release, can do it, and I'm more than convince
> that current PMCs would be more than happy to help.
>
:) check apache release rules. This is wrong even if anyone can start it
only pmc can actually make it.
Willing doesnt mean doing, you know it ;)
> --
> Jean-Louis Monteiro
> http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Le 7 avr. 2015 16:01, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com> a
> > écrit :
> > >
> > > Thanks Thiago. Dunno what was the reason but I'm not happy as well.
> > > Basically we (Romain's daemon) need to always answer the same question
> > and
> > > point to the Apache Snapshot repo.
> > >
> > > I'm wondering if the jira was not targeting the Apache Mirrors.
> > >
> >
> > Well apache website documents it
> >
> > > @Romain, right it's not pmc only, it's more who has time to do that
on a
> > > regular basis?
> > >
> >
> > That what David said but it is wrong. While pmc dont drive it releases
are
> > broken - it just hurts on jcs for instance. Only pmc can do them so if
they
> > block no need to start any release.
> >
> > > --
> > > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well current state is weird cause really in dev but then we can just
> > try to
> > > > ensure we release more often - pmc if you read it ;).
> > > > Le 7 avr. 2015 13:40, "Thiago Veronezi" <th...@veronezi.org> a
écrit
> > :
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I remember seeing a jira case to remove the snapshot link from our
> > web
> > > > > site. It is related to what this page defines...
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
> > > > >
> > > > > " *Do not include any links on the project website that might
> > encourage *
> > > > > *non-developers** to download and use nightly builds, snapshots,
> > release
> > > > > candidates, or any other similar package.* "
> > > > >
> > > > > I dont like this rule, but its there.
> > > > >
> > > > > []s,
> > > > > Thiago - in parental leave mode.
> > > > > On 7 Apr 2015 7:17 am, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <
> > jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see very often questions about how to download Apache TomEE
> > > > snapshots.
> > > > > > Each and every time, Romain's daemon answers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Was wondering, if that would be better to add this on our
website.
> > > > > > Some years ago it was if I recall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JLouis
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > > > > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
Re: Add snapshot link on our website.
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
>
> > @Romain, right it's not pmc only, it's more who has time to do that on a
> > regular basis?
> >
>
> That what David said but it is wrong. While pmc dont drive it releases are
> broken - it just hurts on jcs for instance. Only pmc can do them so if they
> block no need to start any release.
>
This is not the Apache way. If it's not the case on Apache JCS it's another
point.
After many years involved in this community especially I don't see anyone
including any PMC preventing any release to occur or even start.
Any committers willing to release, can do it, and I'm more than convince
that current PMCs would be more than happy to help.
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Le 7 avr. 2015 16:01, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com> a
> écrit :
> >
> > Thanks Thiago. Dunno what was the reason but I'm not happy as well.
> > Basically we (Romain's daemon) need to always answer the same question
> and
> > point to the Apache Snapshot repo.
> >
> > I'm wondering if the jira was not targeting the Apache Mirrors.
> >
>
> Well apache website documents it
>
> > @Romain, right it's not pmc only, it's more who has time to do that on a
> > regular basis?
> >
>
> That what David said but it is wrong. While pmc dont drive it releases are
> broken - it just hurts on jcs for instance. Only pmc can do them so if they
> block no need to start any release.
>
> > --
> > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > http://www.tomitribe.com
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Well current state is weird cause really in dev but then we can just
> try to
> > > ensure we release more often - pmc if you read it ;).
> > > Le 7 avr. 2015 13:40, "Thiago Veronezi" <th...@veronezi.org> a écrit
> :
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I remember seeing a jira case to remove the snapshot link from our
> web
> > > > site. It is related to what this page defines...
> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
> > > >
> > > > " *Do not include any links on the project website that might
> encourage *
> > > > *non-developers** to download and use nightly builds, snapshots,
> release
> > > > candidates, or any other similar package.* "
> > > >
> > > > I dont like this rule, but its there.
> > > >
> > > > []s,
> > > > Thiago - in parental leave mode.
> > > > On 7 Apr 2015 7:17 am, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <
> jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I see very often questions about how to download Apache TomEE
> > > snapshots.
> > > > > Each and every time, Romain's daemon answers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Was wondering, if that would be better to add this on our website.
> > > > > Some years ago it was if I recall.
> > > > >
> > > > > JLouis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > > > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
Re: Add snapshot link on our website.
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Le 7 avr. 2015 16:01, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com> a
écrit :
>
> Thanks Thiago. Dunno what was the reason but I'm not happy as well.
> Basically we (Romain's daemon) need to always answer the same question and
> point to the Apache Snapshot repo.
>
> I'm wondering if the jira was not targeting the Apache Mirrors.
>
Well apache website documents it
> @Romain, right it's not pmc only, it's more who has time to do that on a
> regular basis?
>
That what David said but it is wrong. While pmc dont drive it releases are
broken - it just hurts on jcs for instance. Only pmc can do them so if they
block no need to start any release.
> --
> Jean-Louis Monteiro
> http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well current state is weird cause really in dev but then we can just
try to
> > ensure we release more often - pmc if you read it ;).
> > Le 7 avr. 2015 13:40, "Thiago Veronezi" <th...@veronezi.org> a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I remember seeing a jira case to remove the snapshot link from our web
> > > site. It is related to what this page defines...
> > > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
> > >
> > > " *Do not include any links on the project website that might
encourage *
> > > *non-developers** to download and use nightly builds, snapshots,
release
> > > candidates, or any other similar package.* "
> > >
> > > I dont like this rule, but its there.
> > >
> > > []s,
> > > Thiago - in parental leave mode.
> > > On 7 Apr 2015 7:17 am, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <
jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I see very often questions about how to download Apache TomEE
> > snapshots.
> > > > Each and every time, Romain's daemon answers.
> > > >
> > > > Was wondering, if that would be better to add this on our website.
> > > > Some years ago it was if I recall.
> > > >
> > > > JLouis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
Re: Add snapshot link on our website.
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
Thanks Thiago. Dunno what was the reason but I'm not happy as well.
Basically we (Romain's daemon) need to always answer the same question and
point to the Apache Snapshot repo.
I'm wondering if the jira was not targeting the Apache Mirrors.
@Romain, right it's not pmc only, it's more who has time to do that on a
regular basis?
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well current state is weird cause really in dev but then we can just try to
> ensure we release more often - pmc if you read it ;).
> Le 7 avr. 2015 13:40, "Thiago Veronezi" <th...@veronezi.org> a écrit :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I remember seeing a jira case to remove the snapshot link from our web
> > site. It is related to what this page defines...
> > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
> >
> > " *Do not include any links on the project website that might encourage *
> > *non-developers** to download and use nightly builds, snapshots, release
> > candidates, or any other similar package.* "
> >
> > I dont like this rule, but its there.
> >
> > []s,
> > Thiago - in parental leave mode.
> > On 7 Apr 2015 7:17 am, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I see very often questions about how to download Apache TomEE
> snapshots.
> > > Each and every time, Romain's daemon answers.
> > >
> > > Was wondering, if that would be better to add this on our website.
> > > Some years ago it was if I recall.
> > >
> > > JLouis
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > >
> >
>
Re: Add snapshot link on our website.
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Well current state is weird cause really in dev but then we can just try to
ensure we release more often - pmc if you read it ;).
Le 7 avr. 2015 13:40, "Thiago Veronezi" <th...@veronezi.org> a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I remember seeing a jira case to remove the snapshot link from our web
> site. It is related to what this page defines...
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
>
> " *Do not include any links on the project website that might encourage *
> *non-developers** to download and use nightly builds, snapshots, release
> candidates, or any other similar package.* "
>
> I dont like this rule, but its there.
>
> []s,
> Thiago - in parental leave mode.
> On 7 Apr 2015 7:17 am, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I see very often questions about how to download Apache TomEE snapshots.
> > Each and every time, Romain's daemon answers.
> >
> > Was wondering, if that would be better to add this on our website.
> > Some years ago it was if I recall.
> >
> > JLouis
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > http://www.tomitribe.com
> >
>
Re: Add snapshot link on our website.
Posted by Thiago Veronezi <th...@veronezi.org>.
Hi,
I remember seeing a jira case to remove the snapshot link from our web
site. It is related to what this page defines...
http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
" *Do not include any links on the project website that might encourage *
*non-developers** to download and use nightly builds, snapshots, release
candidates, or any other similar package.* "
I dont like this rule, but its there.
[]s,
Thiago - in parental leave mode.
On 7 Apr 2015 7:17 am, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I see very often questions about how to download Apache TomEE snapshots.
> Each and every time, Romain's daemon answers.
>
> Was wondering, if that would be better to add this on our website.
> Some years ago it was if I recall.
>
> JLouis
>
>
> --
> Jean-Louis Monteiro
> http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>