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Posted to asp@perl.apache.org by Ellers <el...@iinet.net.au> on 2002/03/22 09:27:11 UTC
RE: OT: (slightly) RAD RDBMS tools for perl/Apache::ASP ->
FormBuilder
At 11:27 PM -0800 21/3/02, Jim Helm wrote:
>Looks like CGI::FormBuilder/Template::Toolkit combined with
>DBIx::Recordset is probably my best bet.
Getting more off topic now, but thought I'd mention about FormBuilder...
I find CGI::FormBuilder really useful and have come to prefer it to
use CGI methods or HTML code directly.
To use it effectively in Apache::ASP several settings are useful:
javascript => 0,
header => 0,
Although the javascript one can sometimes be useful, I found it made
life more difficult than it was worth.
Also, with multistage forms (e.g. purchaser details on page 1,
product details page 2, card details page 3 etc) I came up with a few
tricks which I can post if anyone is interested.
Most of the time I used FormBuilder's inbuilt $form->render() method
because it was easier than doing a template; it dawned on me that it
would make sense to add another template method for FormBuilder,
something like:
$form->render( ASPInclude => 'inc_user_details.asp' )
or whatever, and instead of HTML::Template variables,
CGI::FormBuilder could just supply a hashref to the include file
allowing stuff like:
[inc_user_details.asp]
<p>User Name: <%= $cgiform->{'field_user_name'} %>
etc
This isn't existing functionality in FormBuilder, but if anyone else
thinks its a worthy idea it could be recommended to the author.
Ellers
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joshua Chamas [mailto:joshua@chamas.com]
>Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:08 PM
>To: Jim Helm
>Cc: asp@perl.apache.org
>Subject: Re: OT: (slightly) RAD RDBMS tools for perl/Apache::ASP
>
>
>Jim Helm wrote:
>>
>> This isn't specific to Apache:ASP, but I've seen a lot of good advice
>> here, and hopefully someone has already been through this.
>>
>> I was just wondering if anyone had used/knows of anything for perl
>> similar to phpLens. I haven't actually used it, but it looks pretty
>> impressive. I'd prefer to stick with perl, though. I've searched
>> through CPAN, and on google, and haven't found anything obviously like
>
>> phpLens for perl, but there's a lot out there and I may have just
>> missed it. The closest I think I've seen so far is DBIx::HTMLView,
>> but it's only for mySQL and mSQL (needs some extra coding for other
>> DBD drivers - I think).
>>
>
>I have always rolled by own application by application, but my
>apps have always had to be pretty tight to the database for
>high performance with mixed OLAP/OLTP environments.
>
>If you feel that RAD does not have to be GUI RAD, I might look at these:
>
> CGI::FormBuilder ( promises 4x code reduction )
> DBIx::XHTML_Table
>
>If you want something closer do the database, and don't mind doing your
>own HTML, check out:
>
> DBIx::Recordset
> Alzabo
>
>They at least abstract DBI slightly away from you.
>
>> all the bells and whistles of phpLens - though they would be nice.
>> And I need to be able to make updates - simply displaying data is
>> fairly trivial, and I wouldn't need to ask for tools to do that - they
>
>> are a
>
>phpLens looks nice. You you want something that is more of a CMS in
>perl, you can try Bricolage or Mason:
>
> http://bricolage.thepirtgroup.com/
> http://www.masonhq.com/
>
>Sorry, I don't think any of these quite hit it on the head for you, but
>I thought I'd try! Best of luck, and if you find anything interesting
>please share it with the rest of us, as it seems to be a fairly common
>problem. Also, you might try the mod_perl list & I am sure you will get
>some opinions :)
>
>--Josh _________________________________________________________________
>Joshua Chamas Chamas Enterprises Inc.
>NodeWorks Founder Huntington Beach, CA USA
>http://www.nodeworks.com 1-714-625-4051
>
>
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Re: OT: (slightly) RAD RDBMS tools for perl/Apache::ASP -> FormBuilder
Posted by Nathan Wiger <na...@wiger.org>.
Sure, the more templating engines the better! :-)
The only caveat here is that I definitely don't have the time to implement this,
and besides, I don't know ASP. Andy Wardley sent me a big patch to enable
Template Toolkit support, so if somebody wants to take a whack at this and send
me a corresponding patch, I will gladly add it. Look near the bottom of
render(), where there are some if/elsif/else statements looking for the type of
template specified. This shouldn't be too hard to slot in there.
-Nate
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Helm" <jj...@att.net>
To: "'Ellers'" <el...@iinet.net.au>
Cc: <as...@perl.apache.org>; <na...@wiger.org>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: OT: (slightly) RAD RDBMS tools for perl/Apache::ASP -> FormBuilder
> Actually, using asp includes for the templating sounds great... I
> haven't looked at the code, but I wouldn't think it would be that hard
> to add. It'd be great not to have to learn yet another pseudo-language
> to accomplish this (Template::Toolkit or HTML::Toolkit) when Apache::ASP
> is something I already know! I'll start looking at the FormBuilder
> hooks, and see how involved it is - don't know if I have the time to
> actually implement it, but it's a great idea.
>
> I'm cc'ing Nate on this too, see what he thinks.
>
> Jim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ellers [mailto:ellers@iinet.net.au]
> |
> |
> > Most of the time I used FormBuilder's inbuilt $form->render() method
> > because it was easier than doing a template; it dawned on me that it
> > would make sense to add another template method for FormBuilder,
> > something like:
> >
> > $form->render( ASPInclude => 'inc_user_details.asp' )
> >
> > or whatever, and instead of HTML::Template variables,
> > CGI::FormBuilder could just supply a hashref to the include file
> > allowing stuff like:
> >
> > [inc_user_details.asp]
> >
> > <p>User Name: <%= $cgiform->{'field_user_name'} %>
> >
> > etc
> >
> >
> > This isn't existing functionality in FormBuilder, but if anyone else
> > thinks its a worthy idea it could be recommended to the author.
> >
> > Ellers
> >
> >
>
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RE: OT: (slightly) RAD RDBMS tools for perl/Apache::ASP -> FormBuilder
Posted by Jim Helm <jj...@att.net>.
Actually, using asp includes for the templating sounds great... I
haven't looked at the code, but I wouldn't think it would be that hard
to add. It'd be great not to have to learn yet another pseudo-language
to accomplish this (Template::Toolkit or HTML::Toolkit) when Apache::ASP
is something I already know! I'll start looking at the FormBuilder
hooks, and see how involved it is - don't know if I have the time to
actually implement it, but it's a great idea.
I'm cc'ing Nate on this too, see what he thinks.
Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ellers [mailto:ellers@iinet.net.au]
|
|
> Most of the time I used FormBuilder's inbuilt $form->render() method
> because it was easier than doing a template; it dawned on me that it
> would make sense to add another template method for FormBuilder,
> something like:
>
> $form->render( ASPInclude => 'inc_user_details.asp' )
>
> or whatever, and instead of HTML::Template variables,
> CGI::FormBuilder could just supply a hashref to the include file
> allowing stuff like:
>
> [inc_user_details.asp]
>
> <p>User Name: <%= $cgiform->{'field_user_name'} %>
>
> etc
>
>
> This isn't existing functionality in FormBuilder, but if anyone else
> thinks its a worthy idea it could be recommended to the author.
>
> Ellers
>
>
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