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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> on 2002/05/14 19:37:04 UTC
[Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Please see:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html
If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do on my lunch break ;-)
) -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll supply a patch for
mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial ads to the mail
lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to be applied at
jakarta-site2 committer discretion.
If you have minor suggestions for this, please supply them in the form
of commits or patches that correct any minor errors or improve things.
I'm not interested in creating the "vendor superpage".
Thanks,
-Andy
PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at the moment. Its
undergoing upgrades. It'll be back up at the end of the week.
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote:
> +1 from me.
>
> While it's nice to see committers who are able to commercially work with
> the experience they gain/use here, it would be very demeaning to the list
> for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other to post their
> consultant services to the general list.
>
> Hen
>
> On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:
>
> > +1 to all of that.
> >
> > - Leo
> >
> > > Sun Micro, has a page of "here are Java companies" -- lets "innovate"
> > > it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who
> > > support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a
> > > rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that is NOT what they
> > > are there for.
> > >
> > > This does a few things:
> > >
> > > 1. Provides a good rationale to companies to use Apache Jakarta Software
> > > (not a specific goal of the group but a personal goal of several people
> > > here including myself as I like working with GOOD software)
> > >
> > > 2. Gives those companies a place to post thats relevant to Jakarta,
> > > won't annoy people who might otherwise use them.
> > >
> > > 3. Give those companies a high visability web page to advertise on.
> > >
> > > 4. God I don't need more spam. My spam filter entries will one day
> > > reach the limit on the number of strings I can match on.
> >
> >
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 17:19, Leo Simons wrote:
> > Is this for any vendor who wants free ads,
>
> -1
agreed. -1.
>
> > or only for companies that
> > support Apache projects
>
> +1
>
exactly.
> > ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?
>
> -1
I have no opinion on that. I'm fine with either way.
>
> I think it should just be a "these are some companies providing
> commercial support for jakarta", and there should be no more ties than
> that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an
> authority we all know) a search on google about "commercial support for
> apache software", but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by
> any kind of rank.
>
-1 Those who wish to be listed should submit patches to list
themselves. This also forms a bit of .... natural quality assurance.
If they are too dumb to figure out how to submit a patch, then its a
public service not to list them ;-).
> There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the
> page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they
> want (in the form of a patch, I'd say).
>
I'm very okay with you doing that.
> > I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
> > in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.
>
> That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor
> of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client
> the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible
> headaches).
>
I have no opinion on that.
> Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either...
Well I'm sure if it is important enough to you you'll find time. If its
not then well its not to me either ;-)
-Andy
>
> cheers,
>
> - Leo
>
>
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RE: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
:-D descending alphabetical order is fine with me as well ;-) Go ahead
and submit patches or commit that reflect this view ;-)
-Andy
On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 17:26, James Mitchell wrote:
> Alphabetical? Now that's just not fair!
>
> JM
> ZZZ Technologies Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leo Simons [mailto:leosimons@apache.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:20 PM
> > To: Jakarta General List
> > Subject: Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
> >
> >
> > > Is this for any vendor who wants free ads,
> >
> > -1
> >
> > > or only for companies that
> > > support Apache projects
> >
> > +1
> >
> > > ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?
> >
> > -1
> >
> > I think it should just be a "these are some companies providing
> > commercial support for jakarta", and there should be no more ties than
> > that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an
> > authority we all know) a search on google about "commercial support for
> > apache software", but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by
> > any kind of rank.
> >
> > There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the
> > page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they
> > want (in the form of a patch, I'd say).
> >
> > > I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
> > > in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.
> >
> > That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor
> > of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client
> > the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible
> > headaches).
> >
> > Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either...
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > - Leo
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@telocity.com>.
Alphabetical? Now that's just not fair!
JM
ZZZ Technologies Inc.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leo Simons [mailto:leosimons@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:20 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
>
>
> > Is this for any vendor who wants free ads,
>
> -1
>
> > or only for companies that
> > support Apache projects
>
> +1
>
> > ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?
>
> -1
>
> I think it should just be a "these are some companies providing
> commercial support for jakarta", and there should be no more ties than
> that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an
> authority we all know) a search on google about "commercial support for
> apache software", but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by
> any kind of rank.
>
> There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the
> page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they
> want (in the form of a patch, I'd say).
>
> > I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
> > in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.
>
> That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor
> of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client
> the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible
> headaches).
>
> Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either...
>
> cheers,
>
> - Leo
>
>
>
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
> Wouldn't be better for them to just use google's directory for that ( ==
> dmoz.org ) ?
>
> I have a slight preference for the companies that do actually contribute
> code/people - if they want to be listed on jakarta that's fine.
>
I've no preference. Go ahead and alter the page (via patch which I'll
apply or commit) to read this way if you like. If there isn't any
resistance in the next day or so I'll submit the corresponding patch to
the mail pointing people to this page and submitting patches to it as
opposed to posting advertisements to the list.
-Andy
>
> Costin
>
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Posted by co...@covalent.net.
On 14 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:
> > ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?
>
> -1
>
> I think it should just be a "these are some companies providing
> commercial support for jakarta", and there should be no more ties than
> that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an
> authority we all know) a search on google about "commercial support for
> apache software", but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by
> any kind of rank.
Wouldn't be better for them to just use google's directory for that ( ==
dmoz.org ) ?
I have a slight preference for the companies that do actually contribute
code/people - if they want to be listed on jakarta that's fine.
Costin
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
> Is this for any vendor who wants free ads,
-1
> or only for companies that
> support Apache projects
+1
> ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?
-1
I think it should just be a "these are some companies providing
commercial support for jakarta", and there should be no more ties than
that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an
authority we all know) a search on google about "commercial support for
apache software", but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by
any kind of rank.
There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the
page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they
want (in the form of a patch, I'd say).
> I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
> in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.
That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor
of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client
the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible
headaches).
Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either...
cheers,
- Leo
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Posted by co...@covalent.net.
Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, or only for companies that
support Apache projects ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?
I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.
Costin
On 14 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> Please see:
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html
>
> If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do on my lunch break ;-)
> ) -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll supply a patch for
> mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial ads to the mail
> lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to be applied at
> jakarta-site2 committer discretion.
>
> If you have minor suggestions for this, please supply them in the form
> of commits or patches that correct any minor errors or improve things.
> I'm not interested in creating the "vendor superpage".
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Andy
>
> PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at the moment. Its
> undergoing upgrades. It'll be back up at the end of the week.
>
>
> On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote:
> > +1 from me.
> >
> > While it's nice to see committers who are able to commercially work with
> > the experience they gain/use here, it would be very demeaning to the list
> > for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other to post their
> > consultant services to the general list.
> >
> > Hen
> >
> > On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to all of that.
> > >
> > > - Leo
> > >
> > > > Sun Micro, has a page of "here are Java companies" -- lets "innovate"
> > > > it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who
> > > > support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a
> > > > rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that is NOT what they
> > > > are there for.
> > > >
> > > > This does a few things:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Provides a good rationale to companies to use Apache Jakarta Software
> > > > (not a specific goal of the group but a personal goal of several people
> > > > here including myself as I like working with GOOD software)
> > > >
> > > > 2. Gives those companies a place to post thats relevant to Jakarta,
> > > > won't annoy people who might otherwise use them.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Give those companies a high visability web page to advertise on.
> > > >
> > > > 4. God I don't need more spam. My spam filter entries will one day
> > > > reach the limit on the number of strings I can match on.
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Morgan Delagrange wrote:
>--- "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Please see:
>>
>>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html
>>
>>If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do
>>on my lunch break ;-)
>>)
>>
>>
>
>Doesn't there need to be some legalese? Jakarta does
>not endorse those vendors; that should probably be
>noted.
>
>
IANAL
>>-- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll
>>supply a patch for
>>mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial
>>ads to the mail
>>lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to
>>be applied at
>>jakarta-site2 committer discretion.
>>
>>
>
>So, if a committer is competing with another company,
>he can veto that company's patches? How is this
>governed, while still maintaining our integrity as a
>non-for-profit volunteer organization?
>
>
No, but if you send a patch for ASP development and its completely
irrelevant to jakarta and no one feels like committing it then *shrug*.
I'll commit patches for whomever no matter what they're doing as long
as its relevant to jakarta and I have time (read: I'm doing something I
actually feel like doing and there is a patch I'll apply it at the same
time).
I think this is preferrable to ads cross posted on the mail lists.
-Andy
>
>
>>If you have minor suggestions for this, please
>>supply them in the form
>>of commits or patches that correct any minor errors
>>or improve things.
>>I'm not interested in creating the "vendor
>>superpage".
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>-Andy
>>
>>PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at
>>the moment. Its
>>undergoing upgrades. It'll be back up at the end of
>>the week.
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>+1 from me.
>>>
>>>While it's nice to see committers who are able to
>>>
>>>
>>commercially work with
>>
>>
>>>the experience they gain/use here, it would be
>>>
>>>
>>very demeaning to the list
>>
>>
>>>for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other
>>>
>>>
>>to post their
>>
>>
>>>consultant services to the general list.
>>>
>>>Hen
>>>
>>>On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>+1 to all of that.
>>>>
>>>>- Leo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sun Micro, has a page of "here are Java
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>companies" -- lets "innovate"
>>
>>
>>>>>it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>are companies and folks who
>>
>>
>>>>>support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Secondly, lets Make a
>>
>>
>>>>>rule NOT to post advertising to the mail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>lists, that is NOT what they
>>
>>
>>>>>are there for.
>>>>>
>>>>>This does a few things:
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Provides a good rationale to companies to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>use Apache Jakarta Software
>>
>>
>>>>>(not a specific goal of the group but a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>personal goal of several people
>>
>>
>>>>>here including myself as I like working with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>GOOD software)
>>
>>
>>>>>2. Gives those companies a place to post thats
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>relevant to Jakarta,
>>
>>
>>>>>won't annoy people who might otherwise use
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>them.
>>
>>
>>>>>3. Give those companies a high visability web
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>page to advertise on.
>>
>>
>>>>>4. God I don't need more spam. My spam filter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>entries will one day
>>
>>
>>>>>reach the limit on the number of strings I can
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>match on.
>>
>>
>>>>
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>>build/project
>>structure
>> a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on
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>>for the pebbles to
>>vote.
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>>
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
Posted by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>.
--- "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
> Please see:
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html
>
> If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do
> on my lunch break ;-)
> )
Doesn't there need to be some legalese? Jakarta does
not endorse those vendors; that should probably be
noted.
> -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll
> supply a patch for
> mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial
> ads to the mail
> lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to
> be applied at
> jakarta-site2 committer discretion.
So, if a committer is competing with another company,
he can veto that company's patches? How is this
governed, while still maintaining our integrity as a
non-for-profit volunteer organization?
> If you have minor suggestions for this, please
> supply them in the form
> of commits or patches that correct any minor errors
> or improve things.
> I'm not interested in creating the "vendor
> superpage".
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Andy
>
> PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at
> the moment. Its
> undergoing upgrades. It'll be back up at the end of
> the week.
>
>
> On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote:
> > +1 from me.
> >
> > While it's nice to see committers who are able to
> commercially work with
> > the experience they gain/use here, it would be
> very demeaning to the list
> > for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other
> to post their
> > consultant services to the general list.
> >
> > Hen
> >
> > On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to all of that.
> > >
> > > - Leo
> > >
> > > > Sun Micro, has a page of "here are Java
> companies" -- lets "innovate"
> > > > it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here
> are companies and folks who
> > > > support Apache Jakarta software. I volunteer.
> Secondly, lets Make a
> > > > rule NOT to post advertising to the mail
> lists, that is NOT what they
> > > > are there for.
> > > >
> > > > This does a few things:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Provides a good rationale to companies to
> use Apache Jakarta Software
> > > > (not a specific goal of the group but a
> personal goal of several people
> > > > here including myself as I like working with
> GOOD software)
> > > >
> > > > 2. Gives those companies a place to post thats
> relevant to Jakarta,
> > > > won't annoy people who might otherwise use
> them.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Give those companies a high visability web
> page to advertise on.
> > > >
> > > > 4. God I don't need more spam. My spam filter
> entries will one day
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