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Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe -
Project Proposals needed)
What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
Cheers,
Reto
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From: "Nick Burch" <ni...@alfresco.com>
Date: Jun 19, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: Podling forward needed: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project
Proposals needed
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Hi All
Could mentors please forward this to their podlings, with help as needed? I
don't expect very many podlings to put on their own tracks (only OOo
springs to mind), but many podlings would be a good fit for a broader track
with other related TLPs. Please encourage them to get involved in these
cross project track submissions, for their subject areas!
Thanks
Nick
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:40:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com>
To: pmcs@apache.org
Subject: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed
Hi All
As you hopefully all know, we are holding our first ApacheCon Europe in a
few years this November in Germany. We are aiming to open the Call for
Papers (CFP) very soon (a week or two!), but before we do we need something
from projects that would like to get involved. That is, we want to work out
the tracks before opening the CFP.
Several projects have already expressed an interest in holding a track, via
the apachecon-discuss[1] mailing list, which is wonderful! We have a number
of great proposals there, but not all projects have volunteers on that
list, so now is the chance for all the other projects who'd like to have
talks at ApacheCon Europe to get involved!
At this point, we're looking for proposals from projects / groups of
projects for a track. We need to know what it would be, which projects will
be involved, and who from the projects will be available to help with talk
selection etc. This is quite similar to what we've done recently, though
perhaps a little more structured this year.
If your project / cluster of projects would like to have a track, please
let us know the details via the form at:
<http://s.apache.org/**ACEUTracks<http://s.apache.org/ACEUTracks>
>
Please fill out the form soon (within a week if possible), so we can get
the CFP open as soon as possible!
If you have any questions, the best place to ask is the
apachecon-discuss[1] mailing list.
Once we have the track proposals, we'll feed them into the CFP system, then
open up the CFP! Those keen to speak may wish to start drafting their talk
submissions in preparation!
Thanks
Nick
[1] http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-**discuss/<
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/>
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Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Marco Neumann <ma...@gmail.com>.
Semantic Web certainly doesn't address semantics in the sense fields
such as linguistics, semiotics or psychology do. that will take
another couple of decades to come to fruition.
But the Semantic Web as a name, and just that, works just fine. The
W3C continues to describe the Semantic Web as a web of data. The work
at the W3C is conducted as part of the W3C SEMANTIC WEB ACTIVITY. The
Linked Data Platform Working Group is one of the active groups in the
Semantic Web activity.
The origin of the rift in the community lies in the initial emphasis
on formal semantics / logics in the Semantic Web activity up to
2003/2004 with little impact and adoption on the World Wide Web.
Linked Data on the other hand was introduced by Tim and focuses on
lightweight formal semantics / logic and quantity of available data
endpoints on the world wide web to bootstrap adoption.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>
>
> Not sure where the often encountered aversion against that term comes
> from. Is it a campaign of the big information portals who are afraid
> to loose power if information classification and selection becomes
> more decentralized? Or is it the frustration of the first wave of
> developers who decided the name must be the reason for the lack of
> success of their software? Or did the semantic web just attract too
> many AI people to remain attractive for the rest of us?
>
> Replacing the terms "semantics" with some kind of "data" just seems an
> inaccurate description of what this is about. Granted, "linked data"
> can be seen as something a bit more generic than "linked documents"
> thus including deeper linking and non documented oriented
> data-structures. However I don't see why classical "linked documents"
> shouldn't fall in that category as well.
>
> What the 4 projects have in common is the use of technologies (notably
> RDF) that allow linking entities other than data, for example persons
> or abstract ideas. So I think this is about linking *beyond data*, and
> with entity extraction (stanbol, any23) and inference (jena) it's also
> *beyond linking*.
>
> I'm open for other proposals but to me the term semantics seems to
> describe the scope quite well.
>
> Cheers,
> Reto
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Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> > What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
Not sure where the often encountered aversion against that term comes
from. Is it a campaign of the big information portals who are afraid
to loose power if information classification and selection becomes
more decentralized? Or is it the frustration of the first wave of
developers who decided the name must be the reason for the lack of
success of their software? Or did the semantic web just attract too
many AI people to remain attractive for the rest of us?
Replacing the terms "semantics" with some kind of "data" just seems an
inaccurate description of what this is about. Granted, "linked data"
can be seen as something a bit more generic than "linked documents"
thus including deeper linking and non documented oriented
data-structures. However I don't see why classical "linked documents"
shouldn't fall in that category as well.
What the 4 projects have in common is the use of technologies (notably
RDF) that allow linking entities other than data, for example persons
or abstract ideas. So I think this is about linking *beyond data*, and
with entity extraction (stanbol, any23) and inference (jena) it's also
*beyond linking*.
I'm open for other proposals but to me the term semantics seems to
describe the scope quite well.
Cheers,
Reto
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (EU)
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 20/06/12 10:34, Tommaso Teofili wrote:
> 2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz<bd...@apache.org>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür<re...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>
> +1, it sounds very good Reto.
>
>
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>>
>> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
>>
>
> ahah couldn't agree more :-)
>
> Tommaso
>
+1 to a track
+1 for Linked Data
Andy
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (EU)
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 20/06/12 10:34, Tommaso Teofili wrote:
> 2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz<bd...@apache.org>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür<re...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>
> +1, it sounds very good Reto.
>
>
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>>
>> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
>>
>
> ahah couldn't agree more :-)
>
> Tommaso
>
+1 to a track
+1 for Linked Data
Andy
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Pablo Mendes <pa...@gmail.com>.
+1 for "Web of Data" or "Linked Data"
Cheers,
Pablo
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM, John Pereira <
john.pereira@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
> Great idea.
> john
>
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Luca Dini wrote:
>
> > Good idea. We are supporting it.
> > Luca
> >
> > On 20/06/2012 11:34, Tommaso Teofili wrote:
> >> 2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz<bd...@apache.org>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür<re...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
> >> +1, it sounds very good Reto.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> >>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> >>> word "semantic".
> >>>
> >>> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
> >>>
> >> ahah couldn't agree more :-)
> >>
> >> Tommaso
> >>
> >
>
>
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed)
Posted by John Pereira <jo...@salzburgresearch.at>.
Great idea.
john
On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Luca Dini wrote:
> Good idea. We are supporting it.
> Luca
>
> On 20/06/2012 11:34, Tommaso Teofili wrote:
>> 2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz<bd...@apache.org>
>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür<re...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>> +1, it sounds very good Reto.
>>
>>
>>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>>> word "semantic".
>>>
>>> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
>>>
>> ahah couldn't agree more :-)
>>
>> Tommaso
>>
>
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Luca Dini <di...@celi.it>.
Good idea. We are supporting it.
Luca
On 20/06/2012 11:34, Tommaso Teofili wrote:
> 2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz<bd...@apache.org>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür<re...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
> +1, it sounds very good Reto.
>
>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>>
>> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
>>
> ahah couldn't agree more :-)
>
> Tommaso
>
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (EU)
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 20/06/12 10:34, Tommaso Teofili wrote:
> 2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz<bd...@apache.org>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür<re...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>
> +1, it sounds very good Reto.
>
>
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>>
>> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
>>
>
> ahah couldn't agree more :-)
>
> Tommaso
>
+1 to a track
+1 for Linked Data
Andy
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (EU)
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 20/06/12 10:34, Tommaso Teofili wrote:
> 2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz<bd...@apache.org>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür<re...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>
> +1, it sounds very good Reto.
>
>
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>>
>> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
>>
>
> ahah couldn't agree more :-)
>
> Tommaso
>
+1 to a track
+1 for Linked Data
Andy
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
+1, it sounds very good Reto.
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
>
> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
>
ahah couldn't agree more :-)
Tommaso
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
+1, it sounds very good Reto.
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
>
> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
>
ahah couldn't agree more :-)
Tommaso
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> > What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
Not sure where the often encountered aversion against that term comes
from. Is it a campaign of the big information portals who are afraid
to loose power if information classification and selection becomes
more decentralized? Or is it the frustration of the first wave of
developers who decided the name must be the reason for the lack of
success of their software? Or did the semantic web just attract too
many AI people to remain attractive for the rest of us?
Replacing the terms "semantics" with some kind of "data" just seems an
inaccurate description of what this is about. Granted, "linked data"
can be seen as something a bit more generic than "linked documents"
thus including deeper linking and non documented oriented
data-structures. However I don't see why classical "linked documents"
shouldn't fall in that category as well.
What the 4 projects have in common is the use of technologies (notably
RDF) that allow linking entities other than data, for example persons
or abstract ideas. So I think this is about linking *beyond data*, and
with entity extraction (stanbol, any23) and inference (jena) it's also
*beyond linking*.
I'm open for other proposals but to me the term semantics seems to
describe the scope quite well.
Cheers,
Reto
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
+1, it sounds very good Reto.
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
>
> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
>
ahah couldn't agree more :-)
Tommaso
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Sebastian Germesin <se...@dfki.de>.
well, it will be submitted at the "Semantic Web" track... I think that covers the
*semantic* part enough...
+1 for "linked web of data"
Best,
Sebastian
On 20.06.2012, at 12:08, Nick Kew wrote:
>
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>
> Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
> would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
> prior knowledge.
>
> Maybe include the word semantic in (at least) a subtitle?
>
> --
> Nick Kew
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Fabian Christ <ch...@googlemail.com>.
+1 - no matter how it is called
2012/6/20 Pablo Mendes <pa...@gmail.com>:
>> Replacing the terms "semantics" with some kind of "data" just seems an
>> inaccurate description of what this is about.
>
>
>
> In my opinion, "semantics" should only be used when we wish to discuss "the
> relation between signifiers, such as words, phrases, signs, and symbols,
> and what they stand for".
> But...
>
>
>
>> What the 4 projects have in common is the use of technologies (notably RDF)
>>
>
>
>
> Agreed. I'd be OK with calling it RDF track, for example.
>
>
> ... the use of technologies ... that allow linking entities other than
>> data, for example persons or abstract ideas.
>
>
>
> Exactly! For this reason, we called our upcoming ISWC workshop Web of
> Linked Entities: http://wole2012.eurecom.fr/
> (btw: We wouldn't mind if ApacheCon had a homonymous workshop.)
>
> The problem with "semantics" is that it has been repeatedly misunderstood
> and abused. For many people that have been around these topics for a while,
> it is just cacophonous. For many people that are new to the field, it can
> be scary.
>
> Unless you have positive things to say about the term, why should we insist
> in using it?
>
> Cheers,
> Pablo
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Iavor Jelev
> <ia...@babelmonkeys.com>wrote:
>
>> Meant "Web of Data" of course :)
>>
>> Am 20.06.2012 14:12, schrieb Iavor Jelev:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "semantic web" scares regular developers away as complicated
>> >> rule-based reasoning systems and hide the goodness of simple stuff
>> >> such as JSON-LD, RDFa Lite, reusable data vocabularies such as
>> >> schema.org and friends.
>> >>
>> >> +1 for "Web of Data".
>> >>
>> >
>> > agreed! +1 for "Web of Date" from me too.
>> >
>> > kind regards,
>> > Iavor
>>
>>
--
Fabian
http://twitter.com/fctwitt
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Pablo Mendes <pa...@gmail.com>.
> Replacing the terms "semantics" with some kind of "data" just seems an
> inaccurate description of what this is about.
In my opinion, "semantics" should only be used when we wish to discuss "the
relation between signifiers, such as words, phrases, signs, and symbols,
and what they stand for".
But...
> What the 4 projects have in common is the use of technologies (notably RDF)
>
Agreed. I'd be OK with calling it RDF track, for example.
... the use of technologies ... that allow linking entities other than
> data, for example persons or abstract ideas.
Exactly! For this reason, we called our upcoming ISWC workshop Web of
Linked Entities: http://wole2012.eurecom.fr/
(btw: We wouldn't mind if ApacheCon had a homonymous workshop.)
The problem with "semantics" is that it has been repeatedly misunderstood
and abused. For many people that have been around these topics for a while,
it is just cacophonous. For many people that are new to the field, it can
be scary.
Unless you have positive things to say about the term, why should we insist
in using it?
Cheers,
Pablo
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Iavor Jelev
<ia...@babelmonkeys.com>wrote:
> Meant "Web of Data" of course :)
>
> Am 20.06.2012 14:12, schrieb Iavor Jelev:
> >
> >>
> >> "semantic web" scares regular developers away as complicated
> >> rule-based reasoning systems and hide the goodness of simple stuff
> >> such as JSON-LD, RDFa Lite, reusable data vocabularies such as
> >> schema.org and friends.
> >>
> >> +1 for "Web of Data".
> >>
> >
> > agreed! +1 for "Web of Date" from me too.
> >
> > kind regards,
> > Iavor
>
>
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Iavor Jelev <ia...@babelmonkeys.com>.
Meant "Web of Data" of course :)
Am 20.06.2012 14:12, schrieb Iavor Jelev:
>
>>
>> "semantic web" scares regular developers away as complicated
>> rule-based reasoning systems and hide the goodness of simple stuff
>> such as JSON-LD, RDFa Lite, reusable data vocabularies such as
>> schema.org and friends.
>>
>> +1 for "Web of Data".
>>
>
> agreed! +1 for "Web of Date" from me too.
>
> kind regards,
> Iavor
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Iavor Jelev <ia...@babelmonkeys.com>.
>
> "semantic web" scares regular developers away as complicated
> rule-based reasoning systems and hide the goodness of simple stuff
> such as JSON-LD, RDFa Lite, reusable data vocabularies such as
> schema.org and friends.
>
> +1 for "Web of Data".
>
agreed! +1 for "Web of Date" from me too.
kind regards,
Iavor
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Olivier Grisel <ol...@ensta.org>.
2012/6/20 Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>:
>
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>
> Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
> would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
> prior knowledge.
"semantic web" scares regular developers away as complicated
rule-based reasoning systems and hide the goodness of simple stuff
such as JSON-LD, RDFa Lite, reusable data vocabularies such as
schema.org and friends.
+1 for "Web of Data".
--
Olivier
http://twitter.com/ogrisel - http://github.com/ogrisel
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Olivier Grisel <ol...@ensta.org>.
2012/6/20 Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>:
>
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>
> Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
> would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
> prior knowledge.
"semantic web" scares regular developers away as complicated
rule-based reasoning systems and hide the goodness of simple stuff
such as JSON-LD, RDFa Lite, reusable data vocabularies such as
schema.org and friends.
+1 for "Web of Data".
--
Olivier
http://twitter.com/ogrisel - http://github.com/ogrisel
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Sebastian Germesin <se...@dfki.de>.
well, it will be submitted at the "Semantic Web" track... I think that covers the
*semantic* part enough...
+1 for "linked web of data"
Best,
Sebastian
On 20.06.2012, at 12:08, Nick Kew wrote:
>
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>
> Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
> would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
> prior knowledge.
>
> Maybe include the word semantic in (at least) a subtitle?
>
> --
> Nick Kew
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Olivier Grisel <ol...@ensta.org>.
2012/6/20 Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>:
>
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>
> Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
> would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
> prior knowledge.
"semantic web" scares regular developers away as complicated
rule-based reasoning systems and hide the goodness of simple stuff
such as JSON-LD, RDFa Lite, reusable data vocabularies such as
schema.org and friends.
+1 for "Web of Data".
--
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http://twitter.com/ogrisel - http://github.com/ogrisel
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Olivier Grisel <ol...@ensta.org>.
2012/6/20 Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>:
>
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>
> Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
> would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
> prior knowledge.
"semantic web" scares regular developers away as complicated
rule-based reasoning systems and hide the goodness of simple stuff
such as JSON-LD, RDFa Lite, reusable data vocabularies such as
schema.org and friends.
+1 for "Web of Data".
--
Olivier
http://twitter.com/ogrisel - http://github.com/ogrisel
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Sebastian Germesin <se...@dfki.de>.
well, it will be submitted at the "Semantic Web" track... I think that covers the
*semantic* part enough...
+1 for "linked web of data"
Best,
Sebastian
On 20.06.2012, at 12:08, Nick Kew wrote:
>
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>
> Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
> would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
> prior knowledge.
>
> Maybe include the word semantic in (at least) a subtitle?
>
> --
> Nick Kew
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Sebastian Germesin <se...@dfki.de>.
well, it will be submitted at the "Semantic Web" track... I think that covers the
*semantic* part enough...
+1 for "linked web of data"
Best,
Sebastian
On 20.06.2012, at 12:08, Nick Kew wrote:
>
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>>
>> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
>> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
>> word "semantic".
>
> Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
> would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
> prior knowledge.
>
> Maybe include the word semantic in (at least) a subtitle?
>
> --
> Nick Kew
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>.
On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
prior knowledge.
Maybe include the word semantic in (at least) a subtitle?
--
Nick Kew
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>.
On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
prior knowledge.
Maybe include the word semantic in (at least) a subtitle?
--
Nick Kew
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>.
On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
prior knowledge.
Maybe include the word semantic in (at least) a subtitle?
--
Nick Kew
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
2012/6/20 Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
+1, it sounds very good Reto.
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
>
> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
>
ahah couldn't agree more :-)
Tommaso
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> > What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
Not sure where the often encountered aversion against that term comes
from. Is it a campaign of the big information portals who are afraid
to loose power if information classification and selection becomes
more decentralized? Or is it the frustration of the first wave of
developers who decided the name must be the reason for the lack of
success of their software? Or did the semantic web just attract too
many AI people to remain attractive for the rest of us?
Replacing the terms "semantics" with some kind of "data" just seems an
inaccurate description of what this is about. Granted, "linked data"
can be seen as something a bit more generic than "linked documents"
thus including deeper linking and non documented oriented
data-structures. However I don't see why classical "linked documents"
shouldn't fall in that category as well.
What the 4 projects have in common is the use of technologies (notably
RDF) that allow linking entities other than data, for example persons
or abstract ideas. So I think this is about linking *beyond data*, and
with entity extraction (stanbol, any23) and inference (jena) it's also
*beyond linking*.
I'm open for other proposals but to me the term semantics seems to
describe the scope quite well.
Cheers,
Reto
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> > What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
Not sure where the often encountered aversion against that term comes
from. Is it a campaign of the big information portals who are afraid
to loose power if information classification and selection becomes
more decentralized? Or is it the frustration of the first wave of
developers who decided the name must be the reason for the lack of
success of their software? Or did the semantic web just attract too
many AI people to remain attractive for the rest of us?
Replacing the terms "semantics" with some kind of "data" just seems an
inaccurate description of what this is about. Granted, "linked data"
can be seen as something a bit more generic than "linked documents"
thus including deeper linking and non documented oriented
data-structures. However I don't see why classical "linked documents"
shouldn't fall in that category as well.
What the 4 projects have in common is the use of technologies (notably
RDF) that allow linking entities other than data, for example persons
or abstract ideas. So I think this is about linking *beyond data*, and
with entity extraction (stanbol, any23) and inference (jena) it's also
*beyond linking*.
I'm open for other proposals but to me the term semantics seems to
describe the scope quite well.
Cheers,
Reto
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Marco Neumann <ma...@gmail.com>.
just semantics Bertrand ...
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
>
> -Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
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Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>.
On 20 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
> "linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
> word "semantic".
Except ... semantic web is the widely-known name. Omitting the name
would be perverse, and could tend to hide it from anyone without
prior knowledge.
Maybe include the word semantic in (at least) a subtitle?
--
Nick Kew
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
"linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
word "semantic".
-Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
The first "private" mail from Nick Burch explicitely suggested to send
questions to the public list apachecon-discuss.
A public archive for the mailing list apachecon-discuss is available here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/
In other words: Reto did nothing wrong - quite the opposite.
Cheers,
Andreas
---
On 20.06.2012 13:04, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Note that in this mail you forwarded mails from a private list to a
> public list. You need to be more careful.
>
> No damage done - the only reason this is private is that it's a PR
> related activity and thus pre-announcement is bad. The open discussion
> you are kick-starting should certainly be encouraged, I'm just
> pointing out the error. private mails, regardless of their content,
> should never be forwarded to public lists.
>
> Ross
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
The first "private" mail from Nick Burch explicitely suggested to send
questions to the public list apachecon-discuss.
A public archive for the mailing list apachecon-discuss is available here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/
In other words: Reto did nothing wrong - quite the opposite.
Cheers,
Andreas
---
On 20.06.2012 13:04, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Note that in this mail you forwarded mails from a private list to a
> public list. You need to be more careful.
>
> No damage done - the only reason this is private is that it's a PR
> related activity and thus pre-announcement is bad. The open discussion
> you are kick-starting should certainly be encouraged, I'm just
> pointing out the error. private mails, regardless of their content,
> should never be forwarded to public lists.
>
> Ross
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
The first "private" mail from Nick Burch explicitely suggested to send
questions to the public list apachecon-discuss.
A public archive for the mailing list apachecon-discuss is available here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/
In other words: Reto did nothing wrong - quite the opposite.
Cheers,
Andreas
---
On 20.06.2012 13:04, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Note that in this mail you forwarded mails from a private list to a
> public list. You need to be more careful.
>
> No damage done - the only reason this is private is that it's a PR
> related activity and thus pre-announcement is bad. The open discussion
> you are kick-starting should certainly be encouraged, I'm just
> pointing out the error. private mails, regardless of their content,
> should never be forwarded to public lists.
>
> Ross
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Note that in this mail you forwarded mails from a private list to a
public list. You need to be more careful.
No damage done - the only reason this is private is that it's a PR
related activity and thus pre-announcement is bad. The open discussion
you are kick-starting should certainly be encouraged, I'm just
pointing out the error. private mails, regardless of their content,
should never be forwarded to public lists.
Ross
On 20 June 2012 10:15, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> Cheers,
> Reto
>
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
Could people subscribe to lists before sending please? Approving one of
two messages is OK - this isn't one or two messages :-)
Or do we need a single place for discussing this?
Andy
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Note that in this mail you forwarded mails from a private list to a
public list. You need to be more careful.
No damage done - the only reason this is private is that it's a PR
related activity and thus pre-announcement is bad. The open discussion
you are kick-starting should certainly be encouraged, I'm just
pointing out the error. private mails, regardless of their content,
should never be forwarded to public lists.
Ross
On 20 June 2012 10:15, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> Cheers,
> Reto
>
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Note that in this mail you forwarded mails from a private list to a
public list. You need to be more careful.
No damage done - the only reason this is private is that it's a PR
related activity and thus pre-announcement is bad. The open discussion
you are kick-starting should certainly be encouraged, I'm just
pointing out the error. private mails, regardless of their content,
should never be forwarded to public lists.
Ross
On 20 June 2012 10:15, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> Cheers,
> Reto
>
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
Could people subscribe to lists before sending please? Approving one of
two messages is OK - this isn't one or two messages :-)
Or do we need a single place for discussing this?
Andy
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
"linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
word "semantic".
-Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
Could people subscribe to lists before sending please? Approving one of
two messages is OK - this isn't one or two messages :-)
Or do we need a single place for discussing this?
Andy
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
Could people subscribe to lists before sending please? Approving one of
two messages is OK - this isn't one or two messages :-)
Or do we need a single place for discussing this?
Andy
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
"linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
word "semantic".
-Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Note that in this mail you forwarded mails from a private list to a
public list. You need to be more careful.
No damage done - the only reason this is private is that it's a PR
related activity and thus pre-announcement is bad. The open discussion
you are kick-starting should certainly be encouraged, I'm just
pointing out the error. private mails, regardless of their content,
should never be forwarded to public lists.
Ross
On 20 June 2012 10:15, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> Cheers,
> Reto
>
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
I like the idea, and would like it even better if it was called
"linked data", "web of data" of anything that does not include the
word "semantic".
-Bertrand (with my marketing hat on ;-)
Re: Semantic Web track at ApacheCon (Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe
- Project Proposals needed)
Posted by Marco Neumann <ma...@gmail.com>.
But I like the idea and happy to participate the effort.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> What about a semantic web track at ApacheCon?
>
> Cheers,
> Reto
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>
> Date: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:22 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed
> To: ooo-private@incubator.apache.org, airavata-private@incubator.apache.org,
> wookie-private@incubator.apache.org, callback-private@incubator.apache.org,
> "openmeetings-private@incubator.apache.org" <pr...@incubator.apache.org>,
> stanbol-private@incubator.apache.org
>
>
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Nick Burch" <ni...@alfresco.com>
> Date: Jun 19, 2012 8:16 PM
> Subject: Podling forward needed: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project
> Proposals needed
> To: <pr...@incubator.apache.org>
>
> Hi All
>
> Could mentors please forward this to their podlings, with help as needed? I
> don't expect very many podlings to put on their own tracks (only OOo
> springs to mind), but many podlings would be a good fit for a broader track
> with other related TLPs. Please encourage them to get involved in these
> cross project track submissions, for their subject areas!
>
> Thanks
> Nick
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:40:19 +0100 (BST)
> From: Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com>
> To: pmcs@apache.org
> Subject: Tracks for ApacheCon Europe - Project Proposals needed
>
> Hi All
>
> As you hopefully all know, we are holding our first ApacheCon Europe in a
> few years this November in Germany. We are aiming to open the Call for
> Papers (CFP) very soon (a week or two!), but before we do we need something
> from projects that would like to get involved. That is, we want to work out
> the tracks before opening the CFP.
>
> Several projects have already expressed an interest in holding a track, via
> the apachecon-discuss[1] mailing list, which is wonderful! We have a number
> of great proposals there, but not all projects have volunteers on that
> list, so now is the chance for all the other projects who'd like to have
> talks at ApacheCon Europe to get involved!
>
> At this point, we're looking for proposals from projects / groups of
> projects for a track. We need to know what it would be, which projects will
> be involved, and who from the projects will be available to help with talk
> selection etc. This is quite similar to what we've done recently, though
> perhaps a little more structured this year.
>
> If your project / cluster of projects would like to have a track, please
> let us know the details via the form at:
> <http://s.apache.org/**ACEUTracks<http://s.apache.org/ACEUTracks>
>>
> Please fill out the form soon (within a week if possible), so we can get
> the CFP open as soon as possible!
>
> If you have any questions, the best place to ask is the
> apachecon-discuss[1] mailing list.
>
>
> Once we have the track proposals, we'll feed them into the CFP system, then
> open up the CFP! Those keen to speak may wish to start drafting their talk
> submissions in preparation!
>
> Thanks
> Nick
>
> [1] http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-**discuss/<
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/>
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