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Posted to server-user@james.apache.org by J Malcolm <te...@malcolms.com> on 2004/03/17 18:23:50 UTC
Versions and Builds
Sorry for my confusion. But things still aren't making sense:
In the changelog, it says "Version 2.2.0 expected release June 2003"
It also says "Version 2.1.3 released May 2003"
If you click on James JavaDoc, it gives you javadoc for "James 3.0a1"
It seems strange that the latest and greatest build is almost a year
old, and it's been 10 months since the expected release of 2.2.0 (which
apparently never happened) and Javadoc is for 2 major releases
downstream from the "current".
I found test build 2.2.0a15, but it's dated October 15, 2003, which is 5
months ago.
Has development of james ceased?
Can you clarify the version/release schedule for me?
Thanks.
Jerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Brewin [mailto:sbrewin@synsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:42 AM
To: 'James Users List'
Subject: RE: Listserver and Database in 2.2.0axx
J Malcolm wrote:
> Now, if I could just get someone to take a look at the
> james.apache.org
> web site and tell me why I can no longer download any version of James
> greater than 2.1.... ??????
james.apache.org is fine! It offers you a link to the latest stable
build -
http://james.apache.org/download.cgi which is 2.1.3 and...
"Get your hands on the latest versions..
We put significant milestones, and potential release candidates in the
download area - http://cvs.apache.org/builds/james-server/.
Whilst the quality of these versions cannot be guaranteed they may
contain
important bug fixes and cool new features."
...works for me, 2.2.0a15 being the latest build.
-- Steve
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Re: Versions and Builds
Posted by Serge Knystautas <se...@lokitech.com>.
michael wrote:
> I am a ICT HOD at a secondary school where we do a AVCE in networking,
> and use JAMES, which the students install as service for an imaginary
> network setup. Perhaps I could ask some of my students to helpout with
> user documentation. Would this be of any use?
We welcome all contributions, and definitely documentation help.
--
Serge Knystautas
President
Lokitech >> software . strategy . design >> http://www.lokitech.com
p. 301.656.5501
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RE: Versions and Builds
Posted by michael <mi...@turnford.net>.
Hi
I am a ICT HOD at a secondary school where we do a AVCE in networking,
and use JAMES, which the students install as service for an imaginary
network setup. Perhaps I could ask some of my students to helpout with
user documentation. Would this be of any use?
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:sergek@lokitech.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:12 PM
To: James Users List
Subject: Re: Versions and Builds
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:01:30 -0000
"Roy Henderson" <r_...@rebexitservices.co.uk>
wrote:
>Hi Jerry,
>It ALREADY is a pretty neat product. It APPEARS to have a
>future direction
>of enhancement which looks good. HOWEVER, I think you
>really need to cut a
>stable version of 2.2 and get that issued. Additionally,
>this list is very
>good at responding to questions - even from James-101s
>like me - but the
>documentation could do with some work. I think a
>practical user-guide would
>complement the reference material which is already there.
Thanks for your feedback. Documentation is always a
challenge, and unfortunately the docs right now are spread
across a) published html docs in the downloads, b) Wiki
notes and c) mailing list archives. We do need some
organization to merge Wiki and publsihed site info as well
as extract more nuggets and tutorials from the mailing
list archives.
>In closing, none of this is meant to be critical -
>honest. It's meant to be
>objective and constructive. I am sure the James Group
>know all this stuff
>already - but it would be nice to have some indication of
>timeframe for the
>product evolution.
We split the 2.X and 3.X branch over a year ago, and it
was never meant to take this long. Our most active
developer is the midst of a huge merge as the two branches
were not 100% kept up to date. Once the merge is
complete, a) pent up changes will get committed and b)
resources will be more available to move forward.
We greatly appreciate your feedback and as always, would
love some extra help. :)
--
Serge Knystautas
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Re: Versions and Builds
Posted by Serge Knystautas <se...@lokitech.com>.
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:33:41 -0000
"Roy Henderson" <r_...@rebexitservices.co.uk>
wrote:
>.. thanks Serge. If I ever graduate from James-101 then
>maybe I'll be in a
>position to offer some assistance - although it would be
>restricted to the
>documentation area I think.
Like you said, we need help with documentation, so if you
have time to spare, it's always appreciated. :)
>Couple more questions for you if I may:
>
>1) Will the merge and next stable cut be a 2.x or 3.0 ?
>Obviously not
>crucial, more just curious ...
It will be 3.0.
>2) I'm still in evaluation mode just now with only a
>small number of users.
>Would I be as well to move to 2.2 now or should I stick
>with 2.1.3 ? I guess
>the underlying question really is "Is 2.2 now good
>enough, or is it still
>considered flakey?"
The 2.2.x releases are pretty stable. In some ways they
are more stable since there were several important fixes
(most important being a DNS resolution bug I think), but
since it doesn't have nearly as many people using it, it's
potentially unstable in other ways.
So don't drop it in production blindly, but I think 2.2.x
are good enough to use.
--
Serge Knystautas
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RE: Versions and Builds
Posted by Roy Henderson <r_...@rebexitservices.co.uk>.
.. thanks Serge. If I ever graduate from James-101 then maybe I'll be in a
position to offer some assistance - although it would be restricted to the
documentation area I think.
Couple more questions for you if I may:
1) Will the merge and next stable cut be a 2.x or 3.0 ? Obviously not
crucial, more just curious ...
2) I'm still in evaluation mode just now with only a small number of users.
Would I be as well to move to 2.2 now or should I stick with 2.1.3 ? I guess
the underlying question really is "Is 2.2 now good enough, or is it still
considered flakey?"
Thanks,
Roy
-----Original Message-----
From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:sergek@lokitech.com]
We split the 2.X and 3.X branch over a year ago, and it
was never meant to take this long. Our most active
developer is the midst of a huge merge as the two branches
were not 100% kept up to date. Once the merge is
complete, a) pent up changes will get committed and b)
resources will be more available to move forward.
We greatly appreciate your feedback and as always, would
love some extra help. :)
--
Serge Knystautas
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Re: Versions and Builds
Posted by Serge Knystautas <se...@lokitech.com>.
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:01:30 -0000
"Roy Henderson" <r_...@rebexitservices.co.uk>
wrote:
>Hi Jerry,
>It ALREADY is a pretty neat product. It APPEARS to have a
>future direction
>of enhancement which looks good. HOWEVER, I think you
>really need to cut a
>stable version of 2.2 and get that issued. Additionally,
>this list is very
>good at responding to questions - even from James-101s
>like me - but the
>documentation could do with some work. I think a
>practical user-guide would
>complement the reference material which is already there.
Thanks for your feedback. Documentation is always a
challenge, and unfortunately the docs right now are spread
across a) published html docs in the downloads, b) Wiki
notes and c) mailing list archives. We do need some
organization to merge Wiki and publsihed site info as well
as extract more nuggets and tutorials from the mailing
list archives.
>In closing, none of this is meant to be critical -
>honest. It's meant to be
>objective and constructive. I am sure the James Group
>know all this stuff
>already - but it would be nice to have some indication of
>timeframe for the
>product evolution.
We split the 2.X and 3.X branch over a year ago, and it
was never meant to take this long. Our most active
developer is the midst of a huge merge as the two branches
were not 100% kept up to date. Once the merge is
complete, a) pent up changes will get committed and b)
resources will be more available to move forward.
We greatly appreciate your feedback and as always, would
love some extra help. :)
--
Serge Knystautas
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RE: Versions and Builds
Posted by Roy Henderson <r_...@rebexitservices.co.uk>.
Hi Jerry,
I stumbled upon James about 2 months back whilst looking for a mailserver
for an ISP venture I am planning. My other main candidate at the time was
Exim.
My initial reaction was exactly the same as yours - is James dead? And I
posed that question to this list myself.
A couple of months down the track, James certainly appears to be alive and
kicking but I'm still looking at it through a cloudy window.
I'm running 2.1.3 at the moment and it's showing potential as a good
solution for me. At the moment I'm running it as an XP Service before
eventually moving it to ( probably ) SuSE 9Pro.
I think the message I would send back to the James Group is:
It ALREADY is a pretty neat product. It APPEARS to have a future direction
of enhancement which looks good. HOWEVER, I think you really need to cut a
stable version of 2.2 and get that issued. Additionally, this list is very
good at responding to questions - even from James-101s like me - but the
documentation could do with some work. I think a practical user-guide would
complement the reference material which is already there.
In closing, none of this is meant to be critical - honest. It's meant to be
objective and constructive. I am sure the James Group know all this stuff
already - but it would be nice to have some indication of timeframe for the
product evolution.
Roy
-----Original Message-----
From: J Malcolm [mailto:techstuff@malcolms.com]
Sent: 17 March 2004 17:24
To: 'James Users List'; sbrewin@synsys.com
Subject: Versions and Builds
Sorry for my confusion. But things still aren't making sense:
In the changelog, it says "Version 2.2.0 expected release June 2003"
It also says "Version 2.1.3 released May 2003"
If you click on James JavaDoc, it gives you javadoc for "James 3.0a1"
It seems strange that the latest and greatest build is almost a year
old, and it's been 10 months since the expected release of 2.2.0 (which
apparently never happened) and Javadoc is for 2 major releases
downstream from the "current".
I found test build 2.2.0a15, but it's dated October 15, 2003, which is 5
months ago.
Has development of james ceased?
Can you clarify the version/release schedule for me?
Thanks.
Jerry
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