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Posted to dev@livy.apache.org by Arnav Balyan <ar...@gmail.com> on 2025/10/08 17:52:20 UTC

Re: [DISCUSS] Time for the Apache Livy 0.9.0 Release

Hi Larry,
Thank you so much for initiating this. I can help with documentation and
validation for the release if needed.
I'd be happy to contribute to the Java 17 support, it looks very promising.

- Arnav

On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 10:52 PM larry mccay <lm...@apache.org> wrote:

> Let's try with the correct dev@ list now! :)
>
> Livy Devs -
>
> We have a number of bug fixes, dependency upgrades and a few impactful
> features available for an 0.9.0 release.
>
> I think that we should also consider whether we want to drop support for
> Java 8 in 0.9.0 or whether we want to wait for another iteration like
> 0.10.0. Since it is a breaking change, we can't really do it in a dot
> release.
>
> We will need a Release Manager volunteer to run through the process and
> potentially work with a previous release manager as needed to help detail
> and document what needs to be done.
>
> Depending on the discussion for Java 8, we can try and target a release
> candidate in a few weeks or a couple months if we are adding Java 17+
> support.
>
> So, action items:
>
>    1. Need an RM volunteer - @gal.gyorgy@gmail.com <ga...@gmail.com> are
>    you interested?
>    2. Thoughts on Java 8 deprecation in 0.9.0
>    3. Timeline for first release candidate
>
>
> What say, you all?
>
> thanks,
>
> —larry
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 1:17 PM larry mccay <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Livy Devs -
>>
>> We have a number of bug fixes, dependency upgrades and a few impactful
>> features available for an 0.9.0 release.
>>
>> I think that we should also consider whether we want to drop support for
>> Java 8 in 0.9.0 or whether we want to wait for another iteration like
>> 0.10.0. Since it is a breaking change, we can't really do it in a dot
>> release.
>>
>> We will need a Release Manager volunteer to run through the process and
>> potentially work with a previous release manager as needed to help detail
>> and document what needs to be done.
>>
>> Depending on the discussion for Java 8, we can try and target a release
>> candidate in a few weeks or a couple months if we are adding Java 17+
>> support.
>>
>> So, action items:
>>
>>    1. Need an RM volunteer - @gal.gyorgy@gmail.com <ga...@gmail.com> are
>>    you interested?
>>    2. Thoughts on Java 8 deprecation in 0.9.0
>>    3. Timeline for first release candidate
>>
>>
>> What say, you all?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> —larry
>>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Time for the Apache Livy 0.9.0 Release

Posted by Arnav Balyan <ar...@gmail.com>.

Thanks Larry, yes that makes sense.

What timeline would you suggest for the 0.8.1 release?
From my understanding, this mainly involves the release itself and
documenting the process, and should not be blocked on any dev features.

Thanks!
Arnav

On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 11:08 PM larry mccay <lm...@apache.org> wrote:

> Oh, if we don't have to drop support for Java 8 then all the better.
> This will mean that we have to stay away from Java 17+ syntax while we
> continue to claim Java 8 support though.
>
> What we could do is target a near term 0.8.1 that is the last Java 8
> supporting release.
> There are probably a couple dependency upgrades, critical fixes that we
> could include there and get that release out.
> Then it will free up the 0.9.x line for more modern Java features - if
> that is desirable.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 4:43 AM Arnav Balyan <ar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks György,
>>
>> +1. Thanks for sharing the PR I'll help with validation/documentation,
>> just
>> let me know wherever you need support.
>>
>> I can look into Java 8 deprecation, honestly not sure how long it would
>> take, can come back with an estimate later this week. If we are
>> anticipating a quick 0.9.0 release to test release plumbing, it might make
>> sense to defer it to an upcoming release. I'll check the java 8
>> deprecation
>> and get back on an estimate.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Arnav
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 1:34 AM György Gál <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Thank you, Larry, for starting this thread.
>> >
>> > I will volunteer as Release Manager, however any help is much
>> appreciated
>> > because this would be the first time for me. (I did not actively take
>> part
>> > in the 0.8.0 release tasks at the time.)
>> >
>> > Regarding Java 17 support, I have an open PR at
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-livy/pull/481 . This change does
>> not
>> > drop support for Java 8, but enables running Livy with both versions.
>> > (Maybe the deprecation could be done in an upcoming release along with
>> the
>> > removal of Spark 2 and Python 2 support and the introduction of Spark 4
>> > support). The reason why the unit tests are currently failing on that
>> PR is
>> > that the test Docker image does not contain JDK17, it is this change
>> that
>> > adds it. Please let me know your thoughts on whether Java 17 support
>> should
>> > be part of the 0.9.0 release and please feel free to comment on the PR
>> as
>> > well.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Gyorgy
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 1:52 PM Arnav Balyan <ar...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Larry,
>> >> Thank you so much for initiating this. I can help with documentation
>> and
>> >> validation for the release if needed.
>> >> I'd be happy to contribute to the Java 17 support, it looks very
>> >> promising.
>> >>
>> >> - Arnav
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 10:52 PM larry mccay <lm...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Let's try with the correct dev@ list now! :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Livy Devs -
>> >>>
>> >>> We have a number of bug fixes, dependency upgrades and a few impactful
>> >>> features available for an 0.9.0 release.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think that we should also consider whether we want to drop support
>> for
>> >>> Java 8 in 0.9.0 or whether we want to wait for another iteration like
>> >>> 0.10.0. Since it is a breaking change, we can't really do it in a dot
>> >>> release.
>> >>>
>> >>> We will need a Release Manager volunteer to run through the process
>> and
>> >>> potentially work with a previous release manager as needed to help
>> detail
>> >>> and document what needs to be done.
>> >>>
>> >>> Depending on the discussion for Java 8, we can try and target a
>> release
>> >>> candidate in a few weeks or a couple months if we are adding Java 17+
>> >>> support.
>> >>>
>> >>> So, action items:
>> >>>
>> >>>    1. Need an RM volunteer - @gal.gyorgy@gmail.com
>> >>>    <ga...@gmail.com> are you interested?
>> >>>    2. Thoughts on Java 8 deprecation in 0.9.0
>> >>>    3. Timeline for first release candidate
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What say, you all?
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>> —larry
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 1:17 PM larry mccay <la...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Livy Devs -
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We have a number of bug fixes, dependency upgrades and a few
>> impactful
>> >>>> features available for an 0.9.0 release.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think that we should also consider whether we want to drop support
>> >>>> for Java 8 in 0.9.0 or whether we want to wait for another iteration
>> like
>> >>>> 0.10.0. Since it is a breaking change, we can't really do it in a dot
>> >>>> release.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We will need a Release Manager volunteer to run through the process
>> and
>> >>>> potentially work with a previous release manager as needed to help
>> detail
>> >>>> and document what needs to be done.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Depending on the discussion for Java 8, we can try and target a
>> release
>> >>>> candidate in a few weeks or a couple months if we are adding Java 17+
>> >>>> support.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So, action items:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    1. Need an RM volunteer - @gal.gyorgy@gmail.com
>> >>>>    <ga...@gmail.com> are you interested?
>> >>>>    2. Thoughts on Java 8 deprecation in 0.9.0
>> >>>>    3. Timeline for first release candidate
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What say, you all?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> —larry
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Time for the Apache Livy 0.9.0 Release

Posted by Arnav Balyan <ar...@gmail.com>.

Thanks Larry, yes that makes sense.

What timeline would you suggest for the 0.8.1 release?
From my understanding, this mainly involves the release itself and
documenting the process, and should not be blocked on any dev features.

Thanks!
Arnav

On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 11:08 PM larry mccay <lm...@apache.org> wrote:

> Oh, if we don't have to drop support for Java 8 then all the better.
> This will mean that we have to stay away from Java 17+ syntax while we
> continue to claim Java 8 support though.
>
> What we could do is target a near term 0.8.1 that is the last Java 8
> supporting release.
> There are probably a couple dependency upgrades, critical fixes that we
> could include there and get that release out.
> Then it will free up the 0.9.x line for more modern Java features - if
> that is desirable.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 4:43 AM Arnav Balyan <ar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks György,
>>
>> +1. Thanks for sharing the PR I'll help with validation/documentation,
>> just
>> let me know wherever you need support.
>>
>> I can look into Java 8 deprecation, honestly not sure how long it would
>> take, can come back with an estimate later this week. If we are
>> anticipating a quick 0.9.0 release to test release plumbing, it might make
>> sense to defer it to an upcoming release. I'll check the java 8
>> deprecation
>> and get back on an estimate.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Arnav
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 1:34 AM György Gál <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Thank you, Larry, for starting this thread.
>> >
>> > I will volunteer as Release Manager, however any help is much
>> appreciated
>> > because this would be the first time for me. (I did not actively take
>> part
>> > in the 0.8.0 release tasks at the time.)
>> >
>> > Regarding Java 17 support, I have an open PR at
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-livy/pull/481 . This change does
>> not
>> > drop support for Java 8, but enables running Livy with both versions.
>> > (Maybe the deprecation could be done in an upcoming release along with
>> the
>> > removal of Spark 2 and Python 2 support and the introduction of Spark 4
>> > support). The reason why the unit tests are currently failing on that
>> PR is
>> > that the test Docker image does not contain JDK17, it is this change
>> that
>> > adds it. Please let me know your thoughts on whether Java 17 support
>> should
>> > be part of the 0.9.0 release and please feel free to comment on the PR
>> as
>> > well.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Gyorgy
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 1:52 PM Arnav Balyan <ar...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Larry,
>> >> Thank you so much for initiating this. I can help with documentation
>> and
>> >> validation for the release if needed.
>> >> I'd be happy to contribute to the Java 17 support, it looks very
>> >> promising.
>> >>
>> >> - Arnav
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 10:52 PM larry mccay <lm...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Let's try with the correct dev@ list now! :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Livy Devs -
>> >>>
>> >>> We have a number of bug fixes, dependency upgrades and a few impactful
>> >>> features available for an 0.9.0 release.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think that we should also consider whether we want to drop support
>> for
>> >>> Java 8 in 0.9.0 or whether we want to wait for another iteration like
>> >>> 0.10.0. Since it is a breaking change, we can't really do it in a dot
>> >>> release.
>> >>>
>> >>> We will need a Release Manager volunteer to run through the process
>> and
>> >>> potentially work with a previous release manager as needed to help
>> detail
>> >>> and document what needs to be done.
>> >>>
>> >>> Depending on the discussion for Java 8, we can try and target a
>> release
>> >>> candidate in a few weeks or a couple months if we are adding Java 17+
>> >>> support.
>> >>>
>> >>> So, action items:
>> >>>
>> >>>    1. Need an RM volunteer - @gal.gyorgy@gmail.com
>> >>>    <ga...@gmail.com> are you interested?
>> >>>    2. Thoughts on Java 8 deprecation in 0.9.0
>> >>>    3. Timeline for first release candidate
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What say, you all?
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>> —larry
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 1:17 PM larry mccay <la...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Livy Devs -
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We have a number of bug fixes, dependency upgrades and a few
>> impactful
>> >>>> features available for an 0.9.0 release.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think that we should also consider whether we want to drop support
>> >>>> for Java 8 in 0.9.0 or whether we want to wait for another iteration
>> like
>> >>>> 0.10.0. Since it is a breaking change, we can't really do it in a dot
>> >>>> release.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We will need a Release Manager volunteer to run through the process
>> and
>> >>>> potentially work with a previous release manager as needed to help
>> detail
>> >>>> and document what needs to be done.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Depending on the discussion for Java 8, we can try and target a
>> release
>> >>>> candidate in a few weeks or a couple months if we are adding Java 17+
>> >>>> support.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So, action items:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>    1. Need an RM volunteer - @gal.gyorgy@gmail.com
>> >>>>    <ga...@gmail.com> are you interested?
>> >>>>    2. Thoughts on Java 8 deprecation in 0.9.0
>> >>>>    3. Timeline for first release candidate
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What say, you all?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> —larry
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Time for the Apache Livy 0.9.0 Release

Posted by larry mccay <lm...@apache.org>.

Oh, if we don't have to drop support for Java 8 then all the better.
This will mean that we have to stay away from Java 17+ syntax while we
continue to claim Java 8 support though.

What we could do is target a near term 0.8.1 that is the last Java 8
supporting release.
There are probably a couple dependency upgrades, critical fixes that we
could include there and get that release out.
Then it will free up the 0.9.x line for more modern Java features - if that
is desirable.



On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 4:43 AM Arnav Balyan <ar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks György,
>
> +1. Thanks for sharing the PR I'll help with validation/documentation, just
> let me know wherever you need support.
>
> I can look into Java 8 deprecation, honestly not sure how long it would
> take, can come back with an estimate later this week. If we are
> anticipating a quick 0.9.0 release to test release plumbing, it might make
> sense to defer it to an upcoming release. I'll check the java 8 deprecation
> and get back on an estimate.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Arnav
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 1:34 AM György Gál <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Larry, for starting this thread.
> >
> > I will volunteer as Release Manager, however any help is much appreciated
> > because this would be the first time for me. (I did not actively take
> part
> > in the 0.8.0 release tasks at the time.)
> >
> > Regarding Java 17 support, I have an open PR at
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-livy/pull/481 . This change does not
> > drop support for Java 8, but enables running Livy with both versions.
> > (Maybe the deprecation could be done in an upcoming release along with
> the
> > removal of Spark 2 and Python 2 support and the introduction of Spark 4
> > support). The reason why the unit tests are currently failing on that PR
> is
> > that the test Docker image does not contain JDK17, it is this change that
> > adds it. Please let me know your thoughts on whether Java 17 support
> should
> > be part of the 0.9.0 release and please feel free to comment on the PR as
> > well.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gyorgy
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 1:52 PM Arnav Balyan <ar...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Larry,
> >> Thank you so much for initiating this. I can help with documentation and
> >> validation for the release if needed.
> >> I'd be happy to contribute to the Java 17 support, it looks very
> >> promising.
> >>
> >> - Arnav
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 10:52 PM larry mccay <lm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Let's try with the correct dev@ list now! :)
> >>>
> >>> Livy Devs -
> >>>
> >>> We have a number of bug fixes, dependency upgrades and a few impactful
> >>> features available for an 0.9.0 release.
> >>>
> >>> I think that we should also consider whether we want to drop support
> for
> >>> Java 8 in 0.9.0 or whether we want to wait for another iteration like
> >>> 0.10.0. Since it is a breaking change, we can't really do it in a dot
> >>> release.
> >>>
> >>> We will need a Release Manager volunteer to run through the process and
> >>> potentially work with a previous release manager as needed to help
> detail
> >>> and document what needs to be done.
> >>>
> >>> Depending on the discussion for Java 8, we can try and target a release
> >>> candidate in a few weeks or a couple months if we are adding Java 17+
> >>> support.
> >>>
> >>> So, action items:
> >>>
> >>>    1. Need an RM volunteer - @gal.gyorgy@gmail.com
> >>>    <ga...@gmail.com> are you interested?
> >>>    2. Thoughts on Java 8 deprecation in 0.9.0
> >>>    3. Timeline for first release candidate
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What say, you all?
> >>>
> >>> thanks,
> >>>
> >>> —larry
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 1:17 PM larry mccay <la...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Livy Devs -
> >>>>
> >>>> We have a number of bug fixes, dependency upgrades and a few impactful
> >>>> features available for an 0.9.0 release.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that we should also consider whether we want to drop support
> >>>> for Java 8 in 0.9.0 or whether we want to wait for another iteration
> like
> >>>> 0.10.0. Since it is a breaking change, we can't really do it in a dot
> >>>> release.
> >>>>
> >>>> We will need a Release Manager volunteer to run through the process
> and
> >>>> potentially work with a previous release manager as needed to help
> detail
> >>>> and document what needs to be done.
> >>>>
> >>>> Depending on the discussion for Java 8, we can try and target a
> release
> >>>> candidate in a few weeks or a couple months if we are adding Java 17+
> >>>> support.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, action items:
> >>>>
> >>>>    1. Need an RM volunteer - @gal.gyorgy@gmail.com
> >>>>    <ga...@gmail.com> are you interested?
> >>>>    2. Thoughts on Java 8 deprecation in 0.9.0
> >>>>    3. Timeline for first release candidate
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What say, you all?
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> —larry
> >>>>
> >>>
>