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Struts in Desktop Application
Hi *,
Please help me in taking this decision. I am leading the development
team of a desktop application. We are considering the eventuality of
having our application running in Jetty and based on Struts.
We are, however afraid of the size that the final application will get.
My question is, therefore: do I really need all of the libraries and
files of the Struts distribution (struts/lib)? What library (or file)
can I omit and what is essential?
Thanks for your support,
Gregoire.
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Re: Struts in Desktop Application
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
Gregoire-
Personally I prefer developing Internet applications so you can store the
main body logic or processing residing on a secure server
Every binary download to a desktop means you have to test/configure your
download for every desktop configuration permutation on the planet
I think I would rather target FireFox,Netscape and IE browser clients
(vs getting emails from someone who cant run the binary because they ran out
of diskspace)
~Just my 2 cents~
Bon Chance/Viel Gluck,
Martin-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregoire Diboula" <gr...@gmx.net>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Struts in Desktop Application
> Martin Gainty wrote:
>> As a followup
>> Why limit users to downloading a clumsy desktop app when a browser based
>> solution would run leaner and capture a much wider audience?
>
> A desktop application can also be browser based. A typical example is
> Google Desktop search. So, I guess you meant a centralized web based
> application. Well, considering the same example of desktop search, you see
> that there are cases where desktop applications still make sense.
>
> Gregoire.
>> Martin-
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Meadors"
>> <la...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: Struts in Desktop Application
>>
>>
>> For a desktop app?
>>
>> Struts makes very little sense in that environment. If you layer your
>> application well (Data Access -> Business Logic -> View), struts would
>> just get in the way of a desktop application.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/05, Gregoire Diboula <gr...@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi *,
>>>
>>> Please help me in taking this decision. I am leading the development
>>> team of a desktop application. We are considering the eventuality of
>>> having our application running in Jetty and based on Struts.
>>>
>>> We are, however afraid of the size that the final application will get.
>>> My question is, therefore: do I really need all of the libraries and
>>> files of the Struts distribution (struts/lib)? What library (or file)
>>> can I omit and what is essential?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your support,
>>>
>>> Gregoire.
>>>
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Re: Struts in Desktop Application
Posted by Gregoire Diboula <gr...@gmx.net>.
Larry Meadors wrote:
> I agree, desktop applications are sometimes a requirement or just an
> improvement over a browser based application.
>
> For example: compare maps.google.com to google earth. :-)
>
> What I still don't understand is why you would include any part of
> struts with a desktop application. :-)
>
There are two reasons:
1) An important part of the application was already built around the
struts solution (indeed for a centralized web solution).
2) Since there is more than 20 pages that have to be carefully organized
and displayed, I am afraid that things get complicated in the middle of
porting the struts solution to a non-struts solution.
Gregoire.
> Larry
>
>
> On 8/21/05, Gregoire Diboula <gr...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>>Martin Gainty wrote:
>>
>>>As a followup
>>>Why limit users to downloading a clumsy desktop app when a browser based
>>>solution would run leaner and capture a much wider audience?
>>
>>A desktop application can also be browser based. A typical example is
>>Google Desktop search. So, I guess you meant a centralized web based
>>application. Well, considering the same example of desktop search, you
>>see that there are cases where desktop applications still make sense.
>>
>>Gregoire.
>>
>>>Martin-
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Meadors"
>>><la...@gmail.com>
>>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:16 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Struts in Desktop Application
>>>
>>>
>>>For a desktop app?
>>>
>>>Struts makes very little sense in that environment. If you layer your
>>>application well (Data Access -> Business Logic -> View), struts would
>>>just get in the way of a desktop application.
>>>
>>>Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>On 8/21/05, Gregoire Diboula <gr...@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi *,
>>>>
>>>>Please help me in taking this decision. I am leading the development
>>>>team of a desktop application. We are considering the eventuality of
>>>>having our application running in Jetty and based on Struts.
>>>>
>>>>We are, however afraid of the size that the final application will get.
>>>>My question is, therefore: do I really need all of the libraries and
>>>>files of the Struts distribution (struts/lib)? What library (or file)
>>>>can I omit and what is essential?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your support,
>>>>
>>>>Gregoire.
>>>>
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Re: Struts in Desktop Application
Posted by Larry Meadors <la...@gmail.com>.
I agree, desktop applications are sometimes a requirement or just an
improvement over a browser based application.
For example: compare maps.google.com to google earth. :-)
What I still don't understand is why you would include any part of
struts with a desktop application. :-)
Larry
On 8/21/05, Gregoire Diboula <gr...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Martin Gainty wrote:
> > As a followup
> > Why limit users to downloading a clumsy desktop app when a browser based
> > solution would run leaner and capture a much wider audience?
>
> A desktop application can also be browser based. A typical example is
> Google Desktop search. So, I guess you meant a centralized web based
> application. Well, considering the same example of desktop search, you
> see that there are cases where desktop applications still make sense.
>
> Gregoire.
> > Martin-
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Meadors"
> > <la...@gmail.com>
> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: Struts in Desktop Application
> >
> >
> > For a desktop app?
> >
> > Struts makes very little sense in that environment. If you layer your
> > application well (Data Access -> Business Logic -> View), struts would
> > just get in the way of a desktop application.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> > On 8/21/05, Gregoire Diboula <gr...@gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi *,
> >>
> >> Please help me in taking this decision. I am leading the development
> >> team of a desktop application. We are considering the eventuality of
> >> having our application running in Jetty and based on Struts.
> >>
> >> We are, however afraid of the size that the final application will get.
> >> My question is, therefore: do I really need all of the libraries and
> >> files of the Struts distribution (struts/lib)? What library (or file)
> >> can I omit and what is essential?
> >>
> >> Thanks for your support,
> >>
> >> Gregoire.
> >>
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Re: Struts in Desktop Application
Posted by Gregoire Diboula <gr...@gmx.net>.
Martin Gainty wrote:
> As a followup
> Why limit users to downloading a clumsy desktop app when a browser based
> solution would run leaner and capture a much wider audience?
A desktop application can also be browser based. A typical example is
Google Desktop search. So, I guess you meant a centralized web based
application. Well, considering the same example of desktop search, you
see that there are cases where desktop applications still make sense.
Gregoire.
> Martin-
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Meadors"
> <la...@gmail.com>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Struts in Desktop Application
>
>
> For a desktop app?
>
> Struts makes very little sense in that environment. If you layer your
> application well (Data Access -> Business Logic -> View), struts would
> just get in the way of a desktop application.
>
> Larry
>
>
> On 8/21/05, Gregoire Diboula <gr...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi *,
>>
>> Please help me in taking this decision. I am leading the development
>> team of a desktop application. We are considering the eventuality of
>> having our application running in Jetty and based on Struts.
>>
>> We are, however afraid of the size that the final application will get.
>> My question is, therefore: do I really need all of the libraries and
>> files of the Struts distribution (struts/lib)? What library (or file)
>> can I omit and what is essential?
>>
>> Thanks for your support,
>>
>> Gregoire.
>>
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Re: Struts in Desktop Application
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
As a followup
Why limit users to downloading a clumsy desktop app when a browser based
solution would run leaner and capture a much wider audience?
Martin-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Meadors" <la...@gmail.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Struts in Desktop Application
For a desktop app?
Struts makes very little sense in that environment. If you layer your
application well (Data Access -> Business Logic -> View), struts would
just get in the way of a desktop application.
Larry
On 8/21/05, Gregoire Diboula <gr...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi *,
>
> Please help me in taking this decision. I am leading the development
> team of a desktop application. We are considering the eventuality of
> having our application running in Jetty and based on Struts.
>
> We are, however afraid of the size that the final application will get.
> My question is, therefore: do I really need all of the libraries and
> files of the Struts distribution (struts/lib)? What library (or file)
> can I omit and what is essential?
>
> Thanks for your support,
>
> Gregoire.
>
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Re: Struts in Desktop Application
Posted by Larry Meadors <la...@gmail.com>.
For a desktop app?
Struts makes very little sense in that environment. If you layer your
application well (Data Access -> Business Logic -> View), struts would
just get in the way of a desktop application.
Larry
On 8/21/05, Gregoire Diboula <gr...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi *,
>
> Please help me in taking this decision. I am leading the development
> team of a desktop application. We are considering the eventuality of
> having our application running in Jetty and based on Struts.
>
> We are, however afraid of the size that the final application will get.
> My question is, therefore: do I really need all of the libraries and
> files of the Struts distribution (struts/lib)? What library (or file)
> can I omit and what is essential?
>
> Thanks for your support,
>
> Gregoire.
>
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