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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@adeptra.com> on 2003/08/08 00:21:01 UTC
[VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
to all to get it to the list.
Please vote.
+1 from me
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geirm@adeptra.com 203-247-1713(m)
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Jonathan Duty <jd...@jonandkerry.com>.
+1
Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to
>> reply to all to get it to the list.
>
>
> +1
>
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Gianugo Rabellino <gi...@apache.org>.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
+1
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Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Moin Ahmad <mo...@mailx.kalzoom.com>.
+1
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
+1 (Strongly)
(As I mailed to apmail)
-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:21:01 -0400
(Subject: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev)
"Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@adeptra.com> wrote:
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
>
> Please vote.
>
> +1 from me
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Test <pa...@gwiasda.de>.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
>
> Please vote.
>
> +1 from me
>
>
1+
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Tim Urberg <ti...@yahoo.com>.
+1 - It's pretty common practice
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
>
> Please vote.
>
> +1 from me
>
>
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Greg Wilkins <gr...@mortbay.com>.
+1
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Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On 8/08/2003 1:21 Greg Stein wrote:
> I'm not a fan of reply-to munging. I've seen it do bad things, and I've seen
> people accidentally send sensitive, personal info to a list when they meant
> to send it to an individual. The "failure mode" of a lack of Reply-To is
> much better ("oops, didn't go to the list") than the failure mode of having
> it ("oops, I just sent that personal slam to the whole world").
Personaly, I believe it is better that people are always thinking and
acting in 'list mode', and have to go through some burden to go into
'private mode'. We shouldn't convenience the list for Jekylls & Hydes. I
don't find myself often needing to compose a private reply to a list
message, and if so, most usually, I end up wondering why I didn't send
it to the list after all, or why I send the message after all, it being
a flame, or an alpha-male show-off thing, or doubletalk which doesn't
help anyone. Typically, such messages also fall under the two-email-pattern.
For newcomers: here's the two-mail-pattern, as coined by Stefano:
if you are ready to flame, type away, but don't press the send button
immediately. Leave the issue aside for a couple of hours, open up a
fresh message composition window, and compose a second reply (don't edit
the first one, you have to start from a blank window). Send that one. It
really helps!
Cheers,
</Steven>
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Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
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Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Christian Trutz <ch...@smilebase.org>.
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:21:43PM -0700, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:21:01PM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> > With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> > to all to get it to the list.
> >
> > Please vote.
> >
> > +1 from me
>
-1
i think the Greg's argumentation is right
(and i have just config my Mutt with the geronimo mailing list :-)
)
chris
> -1
>
> I'm not a fan of reply-to munging. I've seen it do bad things, and I've seen
> people accidentally send sensitive, personal info to a list when they meant
> to send it to an individual. The "failure mode" of a lack of Reply-To is
> much better ("oops, didn't go to the list") than the failure mode of having
> it ("oops, I just sent that personal slam to the whole world").
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> --
> Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:21:01PM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
>
> Please vote.
>
> +1 from me
-1
I'm not a fan of reply-to munging. I've seen it do bad things, and I've seen
people accidentally send sensitive, personal info to a list when they meant
to send it to an individual. The "failure mode" of a lack of Reply-To is
much better ("oops, didn't go to the list") than the failure mode of having
it ("oops, I just sent that personal slam to the whole world").
Cheers,
-g
--
Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html
http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml
We, Japanese, generally use the term "Mailing List" as what appends
"Reply-To" Header properly to the same address.
Without "Reply-To" Header, it will be called as "Mail Magazine"
or something equivalent.
For example, "announcements@jakarta" is not "mailing list" by
our strict definition, because this list (address) appends
"Reply-To: general@jakarta" Header automatically, not
"Reply-To: announcements@jakarta" Header.
*Mailing list* is something "for discussion"
*Mail Magazine* is something "one-way traffic"
... explicit explanation ;-)
Again and again,
http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml
and
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html
("Watch where you are sending email." section)
-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
P.S. We, Japanese, are not accustomed to such lists as
would not append "Reply-To" and would have no "[listname:seq-num]"
prefixed subject... This is true... Cultural-conflict! :D
--
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:18:47 +0100 (BST)
(Subject: Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev)
Andrew Savory <an...@luminas.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> > With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> > to all to get it to the list.
> >
> > Please vote.
> >
> > +1 from me
>
> Not a committer, but -1 for the following reasons:
>
> # It violates the principle of minimal munging.
> # It provides no benefit to the user of a reasonable mailer.
> # It limits a subscriber's freedom to choose how he or she will direct a
> response.
> # It actually reduces functionality for the user of a reasonable mailer.
> # It removes important information, which can make it impossible to get
> back to the message sender.
> # It penalizes the person with a reasonable mailer in order to coddle
> those running brain-dead software.
> # It violates the principle of least work because complicates the
> procedure for replying to messages.
> # It violates the principle of least surprise because it changes the way a
> mailer works.
> # It violates the principle of least damage, and it encourages a failure
> mode that can be extremely embarrassing -- or worse.
> # Your subscribers don't want you to do it. Or, at least the ones who have
> bothered to read the docs for their mailer don't want you to do it.
>
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
>
>
> Andrew.
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Christian Trutz <ch...@smilebase.org>.
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:21:31AM +0100, Alex Blewitt wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:18:47AM +0100, Andrew Savory wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >>Not a committer, but -1 for the following reasons:
> >
> >-1 me too!
> >
> >I am using Mutt, which ahs no problems with mailing lists
> >and i have now the problems which you described below ..
>
> I think that was two -1's with many +1's in the list ...
>
ok ok, am love democraty even when myself belongs to the minority :-)
Chris
> >># It violates the principle of minimal munging.
>
> Sorry, don't know what that is.
>
> >># It provides no benefit to the user of a reasonable mailer.\
>
> Talking on a list (by default) is talking to the entire group. The
> Reply button uses the Reply-To, so the default option is the correct
> one.
>
> By contrast, sending a mail to an individual is still very easy; use
> 'Reply All' (or whatever) and delete the mailing list address.
>
> >># It limits a subscriber's freedom to choose how he or she will
> >>direct a
> >>response.
>
> It's still possible to send it only to the originator, using the
> technique described above or cut'n'paste for the address. Failing that,
> typing the address manually is also a possibility, so it doesn't limit
> freedom. It just changes the default.
>
> >># It actually reduces functionality for the user of a reasonable
> >>mailer.
>
> Reasonable mailers have cut'n'paste and Reply All as described above.
>
> >># It removes important information, which can make it impossible to
> >>get
> >>back to the message sender.
>
> It doesn't remove any information; you can still do Reply All where
> necessary.
>
> >># It penalizes the person with a reasonable mailer in order to coddle
> >>those running brain-dead software.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by that. My mailer may not be brain dead,
> but it certainly works in the way I expect it to.
>
> >># It violates the principle of least work because complicates the
> >>procedure for replying to messages.
>
> Replying to a discussion group should go to the list, not the
> individual person. After all, you're subscribed to the list, aren't you?
>
> >># It violates the principle of least surprise because it changes the
> >>way a
> >>mailer works.
>
> Reply-To is specifically defined for replying to a list. Mailers use
> it, because that's the way they work. Granted, that when a user hasn't
> come across it before then they may not be expecting it, but just
> because it is unexpected doesn't mean that it's changed it :-)
>
> >># It violates the principle of least damage, and it encourages a
> >>failure
> >>mode that can be extremely embarrassing -- or worse.
>
> Surely, only for messages that don't belong on a group discussion
> anyway?
>
> >># Your subscribers don't want you to do it. Or, at least the ones who
> >>have
> >>bothered to read the docs for their mailer don't want you to do it.
>
> Personally I got the impression that there were more 'yays' than 'nays'
> in the group. Don't know if that was the case, but I only recalled
> seeing two individual's -1 votes.
>
> >>http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
>
> A good description of some of these disadvantages (largely cut and
> pasted into the original message).
>
> I suspect that there are some mailing lists where the preferable mode
> is to reply to individuals (for example, the *.forsale.* newsgroups
> spring to mind). But a mailing list which is actually a discussion list
> should be in the open, and the default behaviour should be to discuss
> ideas in the open.
>
> Hopefully, but putting together e-mails and discussing both pros and
> cons, and letting the others read through them, is the best way to
> achieve a consensus for a development group. Therefore I concur with
> the Reply-To feature.
>
> If you want to bring up any of these issues and discuss them with the
> group, reply to this message and it will go through. If you want to
> bring up any issues with me personally, then use the Reply to All/Reply
> to Group feature and delete the geronimo-dev address.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex.
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@adeptra.com>.
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Alex Blewitt wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:18:47AM +0100, Andrew Savory wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>> Not a committer, but -1 for the following reasons:
>>
>> -1 me too!
>>
>> I am using Mutt, which ahs no problems with mailing lists
>> and i have now the problems which you described below ..
>
> I think that was two -1's with many +1's in the list ...
>
>>> # It violates the principle of minimal munging.
I'm assuming the corollary of maximal mingling, or median merging or
something like that...
:D
geir
--
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Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m)
geirm@adeptra.com 203-247-1713(m)
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Alex Blewitt <Al...@ioshq.com>.
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:18:47AM +0100, Andrew Savory wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> Not a committer, but -1 for the following reasons:
>
> -1 me too!
>
> I am using Mutt, which ahs no problems with mailing lists
> and i have now the problems which you described below ..
I think that was two -1's with many +1's in the list ...
>> # It violates the principle of minimal munging.
Sorry, don't know what that is.
>> # It provides no benefit to the user of a reasonable mailer.\
Talking on a list (by default) is talking to the entire group. The
Reply button uses the Reply-To, so the default option is the correct
one.
By contrast, sending a mail to an individual is still very easy; use
'Reply All' (or whatever) and delete the mailing list address.
>> # It limits a subscriber's freedom to choose how he or she will
>> direct a
>> response.
It's still possible to send it only to the originator, using the
technique described above or cut'n'paste for the address. Failing that,
typing the address manually is also a possibility, so it doesn't limit
freedom. It just changes the default.
>> # It actually reduces functionality for the user of a reasonable
>> mailer.
Reasonable mailers have cut'n'paste and Reply All as described above.
>> # It removes important information, which can make it impossible to
>> get
>> back to the message sender.
It doesn't remove any information; you can still do Reply All where
necessary.
>> # It penalizes the person with a reasonable mailer in order to coddle
>> those running brain-dead software.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. My mailer may not be brain dead,
but it certainly works in the way I expect it to.
>> # It violates the principle of least work because complicates the
>> procedure for replying to messages.
Replying to a discussion group should go to the list, not the
individual person. After all, you're subscribed to the list, aren't you?
>> # It violates the principle of least surprise because it changes the
>> way a
>> mailer works.
Reply-To is specifically defined for replying to a list. Mailers use
it, because that's the way they work. Granted, that when a user hasn't
come across it before then they may not be expecting it, but just
because it is unexpected doesn't mean that it's changed it :-)
>> # It violates the principle of least damage, and it encourages a
>> failure
>> mode that can be extremely embarrassing -- or worse.
Surely, only for messages that don't belong on a group discussion
anyway?
>> # Your subscribers don't want you to do it. Or, at least the ones who
>> have
>> bothered to read the docs for their mailer don't want you to do it.
Personally I got the impression that there were more 'yays' than 'nays'
in the group. Don't know if that was the case, but I only recalled
seeing two individual's -1 votes.
>> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
A good description of some of these disadvantages (largely cut and
pasted into the original message).
I suspect that there are some mailing lists where the preferable mode
is to reply to individuals (for example, the *.forsale.* newsgroups
spring to mind). But a mailing list which is actually a discussion list
should be in the open, and the default behaviour should be to discuss
ideas in the open.
Hopefully, but putting together e-mails and discussing both pros and
cons, and letting the others read through them, is the best way to
achieve a consensus for a development group. Therefore I concur with
the Reply-To feature.
If you want to bring up any of these issues and discuss them with the
group, reply to this message and it will go through. If you want to
bring up any issues with me personally, then use the Reply to All/Reply
to Group feature and delete the geronimo-dev address.
Regards,
Alex.
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Christian Trutz <ch...@smilebase.org>.
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:18:47AM +0100, Andrew Savory wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> > With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> > to all to get it to the list.
> >
> > Please vote.
> >
> > +1 from me
>
> Not a committer, but -1 for the following reasons:
>
-1 me too!
i am using Mutt, which ahs no problems with mailing lists
and i have now the problems which you described below ..
Chris
> # It violates the principle of minimal munging.
> # It provides no benefit to the user of a reasonable mailer.
> # It limits a subscriber's freedom to choose how he or she will direct a
> response.
> # It actually reduces functionality for the user of a reasonable mailer.
> # It removes important information, which can make it impossible to get
> back to the message sender.
> # It penalizes the person with a reasonable mailer in order to coddle
> those running brain-dead software.
> # It violates the principle of least work because complicates the
> procedure for replying to messages.
> # It violates the principle of least surprise because it changes the way a
> mailer works.
> # It violates the principle of least damage, and it encourages a failure
> mode that can be extremely embarrassing -- or worse.
> # Your subscribers don't want you to do it. Or, at least the ones who have
> bothered to read the docs for their mailer don't want you to do it.
>
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
>
>
> Andrew.
>
> --
> Andrew Savory Email: andrew@luminas.co.uk
> Managing Director Tel: +44 (0)870 741 6658
> Luminas Internet Applications Fax: +44 (0)700 598 1135
> Orixo alliance: http://www.orixo.com/ Web: www.luminas.co.uk
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Andrew Savory <an...@luminas.co.uk>.
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
>
> Please vote.
>
> +1 from me
Not a committer, but -1 for the following reasons:
# It violates the principle of minimal munging.
# It provides no benefit to the user of a reasonable mailer.
# It limits a subscriber's freedom to choose how he or she will direct a
response.
# It actually reduces functionality for the user of a reasonable mailer.
# It removes important information, which can make it impossible to get
back to the message sender.
# It penalizes the person with a reasonable mailer in order to coddle
those running brain-dead software.
# It violates the principle of least work because complicates the
procedure for replying to messages.
# It violates the principle of least surprise because it changes the way a
mailer works.
# It violates the principle of least damage, and it encourages a failure
mode that can be extremely embarrassing -- or worse.
# Your subscribers don't want you to do it. Or, at least the ones who have
bothered to read the docs for their mailer don't want you to do it.
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
Andrew.
--
Andrew Savory Email: andrew@luminas.co.uk
Managing Director Tel: +44 (0)870 741 6658
Luminas Internet Applications Fax: +44 (0)700 598 1135
Orixo alliance: http://www.orixo.com/ Web: www.luminas.co.uk
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@adeptra.com>.
This message is a test. Ah, the joy!
Thanks Greg!
geir
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 01:55 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> I've set the Reply-To to point back at the list. It's pretty obvious
> how the
> community would like the list set up :-)
>
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 10:14:01PM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> Tally so far, as of 22:12 EDT :
>>
>> +1 : 13 votes
>> 0 : 2 votes
>> -1 : 1 vote
>>
>> We'll keep going to give more people a chance...
>>
>> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 06:21 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to
>>> reply
>>> to all to get it to the list.
>>>
>>> Please vote.
>>>
>>> +1 from me
>
> --
> Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w)
Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m)
geirm@adeptra.com 203-247-1713(m)
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
I've set the Reply-To to point back at the list. It's pretty obvious how the
community would like the list set up :-)
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 10:14:01PM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Tally so far, as of 22:12 EDT :
>
> +1 : 13 votes
> 0 : 2 votes
> -1 : 1 vote
>
> We'll keep going to give more people a chance...
>
> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 06:21 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> >With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> >to all to get it to the list.
> >
> >Please vote.
> >
> >+1 from me
--
Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Emmanuel Bernard <ep...@yahoo.fr>.
+1
Made the mistake twice today
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Aaron Bannert <aa...@clove.org>.
+1
On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 03:21 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
>
> Please vote.
>
> +1 from me
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Alex Blewitt <Al...@ioshq.com>.
+1 as well. When it's not set to the Reply-To, I send it to the
original contributor and the group, which means that Steven is going to
get this twice...
Anyone care to send me two copies of this in reply?
:-)
Alex.
On Thursday, Aug 7, 2003, at 23:32 Europe/London, Steven Noels wrote:
>>> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to
>>> reply to all to get it to the list.
>
> +1 - let's stick to common practices which tunnel communication into
> the list instead of off-list.
>
> </Steven>
> --
> Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
> stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
>
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
>> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
>> to all to get it to the list.
+1 - let's stick to common practices which tunnel communication into the
list instead of off-list.
</Steven>
--
Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>.
+1
On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 11:21 pm, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
>
> Please vote.
>
> +1 from me
>
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w)
> Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m)
> geirm@adeptra.com 203-247-1713(m)
>
>
James
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Re: Geronimo Web Services
Posted by Alberto Rodriguez Galdo <te...@teleline.es>.
Richard,
I'm afraid i don't belong to the juddi project, but i've been using
it for several months and it's a great project and the best open source uddi
implementation. I agree too with the use of uddi4j client api...
i think axis + juddi + uddi4j + wsdl4j would be a great combination.
I would be very pleased to contribute to the web services part of Geronimo,
just let me know, i love web services.
greets
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Monson-Haefel" <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>
To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Geronimo Web Services
> Alberto,
>
> Juddi looks like it could be a good fit for Geronimo's UDDI registry. It
would
> be great if Apache accepted it into the Incubator. Since its not specific
to
> J2EE, I'm guessing that it would eventually end up as sub project of
Jakarta.
>
> I didn't see a client API on your site, but I've been thinking of using
uddi4j
> and wrapping it with a JAXR adapter. IBM's license appears complete
compatible
> with Apache's.
>
> Anyway, I'm looking forward to the possibility of working together on
this.
>
> Richard
>
> Alberto Rodriguez Galdo wrote:
>
> > As is possible that juddi joins the apache project, juddi can be used to
> > provide a uddi registry...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Monson-Haefel" <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>
> > Cc: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:09 AM
> > Subject: Geronimo Web Services
> >
> > > Anyone mind if I take on Web Services for the Geronimo project? I'll
> > > initially focus on meeting the J2EE 1.4 requirements and then broaden
the
> > > scope later. I been working, pretty much full time, with the J2EE Web
> > > Service APIs and WS standards for over a year (I just finished a book
on
> > the
> > > subject), so I'm pretty up on WS-Everything.
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure (more or less positive) that I'll be using Axis.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Monson-Haefel
> > > Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003)
> > > Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
> > > Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000)
> > > http://www.Monson-Haefel.com
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Richard Monson-Haefel
> Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003)
> Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
> Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000)
> http://www.Monson-Haefel.com
>
>
Re: Geronimo Web Services
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@adeptra.com>.
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 06:12 AM, Richard Monson-Haefel wrote:
> Alberto,
>
> Juddi looks like it could be a good fit for Geronimo's UDDI registry.
> It would
> be great if Apache accepted it into the Incubator. Since its not
> specific to
> J2EE, I'm guessing that it would eventually end up as sub project of
> Jakarta.
or http://ws.apache.org/
>
> I didn't see a client API on your site, but I've been thinking of
> using uddi4j
> and wrapping it with a JAXR adapter. IBM's license appears complete
> compatible
> with Apache's.
>
> Anyway, I'm looking forward to the possibility of working together on
> this.
>
> Richard
>
> Alberto Rodriguez Galdo wrote:
>
>> As is possible that juddi joins the apache project, juddi can be used
>> to
>> provide a uddi registry...
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard Monson-Haefel" <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>
>> Cc: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Geronimo Web Services
>>
>>> Anyone mind if I take on Web Services for the Geronimo project? I'll
>>> initially focus on meeting the J2EE 1.4 requirements and then
>>> broaden the
>>> scope later. I been working, pretty much full time, with the J2EE
>>> Web
>>> Service APIs and WS standards for over a year (I just finished a
>>> book on
>> the
>>> subject), so I'm pretty up on WS-Everything.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure (more or less positive) that I'll be using Axis.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Monson-Haefel
>>> Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003)
>>> Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
>>> Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000)
>>> http://www.Monson-Haefel.com
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Richard Monson-Haefel
> Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003)
> Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
> Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000)
> http://www.Monson-Haefel.com
>
>
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w)
Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m)
geirm@adeptra.com 203-247-1713(m)
Re: Geronimo Web Services
Posted by Richard Monson-Haefel <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>.
Alberto,
Juddi looks like it could be a good fit for Geronimo's UDDI registry. It would
be great if Apache accepted it into the Incubator. Since its not specific to
J2EE, I'm guessing that it would eventually end up as sub project of Jakarta.
I didn't see a client API on your site, but I've been thinking of using uddi4j
and wrapping it with a JAXR adapter. IBM's license appears complete compatible
with Apache's.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the possibility of working together on this.
Richard
Alberto Rodriguez Galdo wrote:
> As is possible that juddi joins the apache project, juddi can be used to
> provide a uddi registry...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Monson-Haefel" <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>
> Cc: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:09 AM
> Subject: Geronimo Web Services
>
> > Anyone mind if I take on Web Services for the Geronimo project? I'll
> > initially focus on meeting the J2EE 1.4 requirements and then broaden the
> > scope later. I been working, pretty much full time, with the J2EE Web
> > Service APIs and WS standards for over a year (I just finished a book on
> the
> > subject), so I'm pretty up on WS-Everything.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure (more or less positive) that I'll be using Axis.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Richard Monson-Haefel
> > Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003)
> > Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
> > Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000)
> > http://www.Monson-Haefel.com
> >
> >
--
Richard Monson-Haefel
Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003)
Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000)
http://www.Monson-Haefel.com
Re: Geronimo Web Services
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>.
I took a quick look at the License - its BSD-ish right? if so Geronimo
could reuse juddi if folks think its a good idea. Whether it becomes an
apache project or not is a different thing that can be resolved further
down the line- lets start with seeing if its a good fit for Geronimo.
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 10:11 am, Alberto Rodriguez Galdo wrote:
> As is possible that juddi joins the apache project, juddi can be used
> to
> provide a uddi registry...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Monson-Haefel" <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>
> Cc: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:09 AM
> Subject: Geronimo Web Services
>
>
>> Anyone mind if I take on Web Services for the Geronimo project? I'll
>> initially focus on meeting the J2EE 1.4 requirements and then broaden
>> the
>> scope later. I been working, pretty much full time, with the J2EE Web
>> Service APIs and WS standards for over a year (I just finished a book
>> on
> the
>> subject), so I'm pretty up on WS-Everything.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure (more or less positive) that I'll be using Axis.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Richard Monson-Haefel
>> Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003)
>> Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
>> Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000)
>> http://www.Monson-Haefel.com
>>
>>
>
>
James
-------
http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
Re: Geronimo Web Services
Posted by Alberto Rodriguez Galdo <te...@teleline.es>.
As is possible that juddi joins the apache project, juddi can be used to
provide a uddi registry...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Monson-Haefel" <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>
Cc: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:09 AM
Subject: Geronimo Web Services
> Anyone mind if I take on Web Services for the Geronimo project? I'll
> initially focus on meeting the J2EE 1.4 requirements and then broaden the
> scope later. I been working, pretty much full time, with the J2EE Web
> Service APIs and WS standards for over a year (I just finished a book on
the
> subject), so I'm pretty up on WS-Everything.
>
> I'm pretty sure (more or less positive) that I'll be using Axis.
>
>
> --
> Richard Monson-Haefel
> Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003)
> Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
> Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000)
> http://www.Monson-Haefel.com
>
>
Geronimo Web Services
Posted by Richard Monson-Haefel <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>.
Anyone mind if I take on Web Services for the Geronimo project? I'll
initially focus on meeting the J2EE 1.4 requirements and then broaden the
scope later. I been working, pretty much full time, with the J2EE Web
Service APIs and WS standards for over a year (I just finished a book on the
subject), so I'm pretty up on WS-Everything.
I'm pretty sure (more or less positive) that I'll be using Axis.
--
Richard Monson-Haefel
Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003)
Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000)
http://www.Monson-Haefel.com
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
+1
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
>
> Please vote.
>
> +1 from me
>
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w)
> Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m)
> geirm@adeptra.com 203-247-1713(m)
>
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@adeptra.com>.
Tally so far, as of 22:12 EDT :
+1 : 13 votes
0 : 2 votes
-1 : 1 vote
We'll keep going to give more people a chance...
On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 06:21 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
>
> Please vote.
>
> +1 from me
>
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w)
> Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m)
> geirm@adeptra.com 203-247-1713(m)
>
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w)
Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m)
geirm@adeptra.com 203-247-1713(m)
Re: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Thang Tran Vinh <th...@hinet.net.vn>.
+1, if I can see this mail ...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Boynes" <je...@coredevelopers.net>
To: <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
> +1
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geirm@adeptra.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:21 PM
> > To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
> >
> >
> > With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> > to all to get it to the list.
> >
> > Please vote.
> >
> > +1 from me
> >
> >
> > --
> > Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w)
> > Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m)
> > geirm@adeptra.com 203-247-1713(m)
> >
> >
>
>
RE: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
Posted by Jeremy Boynes <je...@coredevelopers.net>.
+1
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geirm@adeptra.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:21 PM
> To: geronimo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [VOTE] change Reply-To to go to geronimo-dev
>
>
> With the Reply-To set to the list, you don't have to remember to reply
> to all to get it to the list.
>
> Please vote.
>
> +1 from me
>
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w)
> Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m)
> geirm@adeptra.com 203-247-1713(m)
>
>