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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@sundn.de> on 2001/07/02 12:41:35 UTC
[C2]: VOTE - The cocoon protocol
Hi,
to finish the work on the cocoon: url protocol, we have to
decide how it should work, e.g. how to address a resource
of a parent sitemap etc.
Sylvain suggested the following:
>>>>
Since "cocoon:" isn't a real URL protocol (host and port have no meaning
here), it could depend on the number of "/" characters, i.e. :
- "cocoon:hello.html" : relative to the current URI
- "cocoon:/hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
- "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
<<<<
I think we should keep it as simple as possible. So I would vote
that we only use this two:
- "cocoon:/hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
- "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
Using this notion it is not possible to directly refer to a
parent sitemap. You can only address the root sitemap or
the current sitemap.
Carsten
Open Source Group sunShine - b:Integrated
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Re: [C2]: VOTE - The cocoon protocol
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com>.
Carsten Ziegeler a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> to finish the work on the cocoon: url protocol, we have to
> decide how it should work, e.g. how to address a resource
> of a parent sitemap etc.
>
> Sylvain suggested the following:
> >>>>
> Since "cocoon:" isn't a real URL protocol (host and port have no meaning
> here), it could depend on the number of "/" characters, i.e. :
> - "cocoon:hello.html" : relative to the current URI
> - "cocoon:/hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
> - "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
> <<<<
>
> I think we should keep it as simple as possible. So I would vote
> that we only use this two:
> - "cocoon:/hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
> - "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
>
+1. Maybe URI-relative addressing was FS.
> Using this notion it is not possible to directly refer to a
> parent sitemap. You can only address the root sitemap or
> the current sitemap.
>
I'm not sure this is a real issue.
> Carsten
>
> Open Source Group sunShine - b:Integrated
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Re: [C2]: VOTE - The cocoon protocol
Posted by Christian Haul <ha...@dvs1.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 02.Jul.2001 -- 09:42 AM, Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> Carsten,
>
> Would it more intuitive to use:
> - "sitemap://hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
> - "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
Vadim,
three observations: 1) we should adhere to the protocol + path
paradigm therefore I believe it's better to have both use cases the
same "protocol".
2) there's already "context:", "file:", "resource:" (which rather
unintuitively doesn't address a sitemap resource but something
completely different, not cocoon's fault, anyway) and many more which
is at first glance quite confusing already. (Does a primer on this
exist somewhere?)
3) I believe "context:" is very similar hence both should conform to
similar rules regarding slashes.
Chris.
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RE: [C2]: VOTE - The cocoon protocol
Posted by giacomo <gi...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> Carsten,
>
> Would it more intuitive to use:
> - "sitemap://hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
> - "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
>
> It may be confusing if different amount of "/" is used...
Why confusing? Isn't the URL RFC allowing such things like relative and
absolute pathes according to the count of slashes?
Giacomo
>
> Vadim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carsten Ziegeler [mailto:cziegeler@sundn.de]
> > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:42
> > To: Cocoon-Dev@Xml. Apache. Org
> > Subject: [C2]: VOTE - The cocoon protocol
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > to finish the work on the cocoon: url protocol, we have to
> > decide how it should work, e.g. how to address a resource
> > of a parent sitemap etc.
> >
> > Sylvain suggested the following:
> > >>>>
> > Since "cocoon:" isn't a real URL protocol (host and port have no meaning
> > here), it could depend on the number of "/" characters, i.e. :
> > - "cocoon:hello.html" : relative to the current URI
> > - "cocoon:/hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
> > - "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
> > <<<<
> >
> > I think we should keep it as simple as possible. So I would vote
> > that we only use this two:
> > - "cocoon:/hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
> > - "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
> >
> > Using this notion it is not possible to directly refer to a
> > parent sitemap. You can only address the root sitemap or
> > the current sitemap.
> >
> >
> > Carsten
> >
> > Open Source Group sunShine - b:Integrated
> > ================================================================
> > Carsten Ziegeler, S&N AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
> > www.sundn.de mailto: cziegeler@sundn.de
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RE: [C2]: VOTE - The cocoon protocol
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <vg...@hns.com>.
Carsten,
Would it more intuitive to use:
- "sitemap://hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
- "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
It may be confusing if different amount of "/" is used...
Vadim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carsten Ziegeler [mailto:cziegeler@sundn.de]
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:42
> To: Cocoon-Dev@Xml. Apache. Org
> Subject: [C2]: VOTE - The cocoon protocol
>
>
> Hi,
>
> to finish the work on the cocoon: url protocol, we have to
> decide how it should work, e.g. how to address a resource
> of a parent sitemap etc.
>
> Sylvain suggested the following:
> >>>>
> Since "cocoon:" isn't a real URL protocol (host and port have no meaning
> here), it could depend on the number of "/" characters, i.e. :
> - "cocoon:hello.html" : relative to the current URI
> - "cocoon:/hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
> - "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
> <<<<
>
> I think we should keep it as simple as possible. So I would vote
> that we only use this two:
> - "cocoon:/hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
> - "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
>
> Using this notion it is not possible to directly refer to a
> parent sitemap. You can only address the root sitemap or
> the current sitemap.
>
>
> Carsten
>
> Open Source Group sunShine - b:Integrated
> ================================================================
> Carsten Ziegeler, S&N AG, Klingenderstrasse 5, D-33100 Paderborn
> www.sundn.de mailto: cziegeler@sundn.de
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Re: [C2]: VOTE - The cocoon protocol
Posted by giacomo <gi...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> to finish the work on the cocoon: url protocol, we have to
> decide how it should work, e.g. how to address a resource
> of a parent sitemap etc.
>
> Sylvain suggested the following:
> >>>>
> Since "cocoon:" isn't a real URL protocol (host and port have no meaning
> here), it could depend on the number of "/" characters, i.e. :
> - "cocoon:hello.html" : relative to the current URI
> - "cocoon:/hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
> - "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
> <<<<
>
> I think we should keep it as simple as possible. So I would vote
> that we only use this two:
> - "cocoon:/hello.html" : relative to the current sitemap
> - "cocoon://hello.html" : absolute from the root sitemap
>
> Using this notion it is not possible to directly refer to a
> parent sitemap. You can only address the root sitemap or
> the current sitemap.
+1
I'm with Carstens suggestion because the cocoon: protocol refers to the
sitemap not really to an URL since you are able to have any hierarchy in
a sitemap (and I think it is much faster to implement and performs
better :)
Giacomo
>
>
> Carsten
>
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