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Posted to dev@tuscany.apache.org by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com> on 2008/10/02 11:40:59 UTC
Re: Tuscany IRC Channel
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I noticed that there's a Tuscany IRC channel referenced on the Tuscany web
>> site -- http://tuscany.apache.org/getting-involved.html. I joined it, but
>> doesn't look like it's being used by the community. FYI, while I was there
>> somebody else joined the channel and asked if this was a place to talk with
>> Tuscany developers...
>>
>> Different Apache communities have different policies regarding IRC
>> channels. So, don't know if you've explicitly decided not to use IRC as a
>> communication mechanism, or if it's just fallen into disuse. Either way,
>> suggest the references be deleted from the web site or start using the irc
>> channel... ;-)
>>
>> Personally, I like IRC. We use it in the Geronimo community. I think it
>> adds a more human dimension to community interactions. It's also can be a
>> more convenient (and immediate) form of communication. It's a lightweight
>> means for resolving simple problems; tapping somebody on the shoulder, if
>> they broke the build; debating politics; or just saying hello. You do need
>> to be careful about protracted design discussions or basing decisions solely
>> based on IRC conversations. If you find you've discussed a problem to too
>> great a detail, summarize the conversation and post to the dev list. Just my
>> 2 cents...
>>
>> --kevan
>>
>
> Hi
>
> We used to use it a lot for the kind of immediate communication you talk
> about but for some reason it's use has dwindled. I don't think that an
> explicit decision was take to stop using it. I too am a fan of IRC in terms
> of providing a human face to the Tuscany community. Am logged back in now!
>
> Simon
>
I've only seen myself and Kevan on the #tuscany channel recently. Does the
lack of comment here and lack of people on the channel mean they think it's
a bad idea?
Simon
Re: Tuscany IRC Channel
Posted by Dan Becker <da...@gmail.com>.
Simon Laws wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> I've only seen myself and Kevan on the #tuscany channel recently. Does the
> lack of comment here and lack of people on the channel mean they think it's
> a bad idea?
>
I've started to hang out there. I think it's a useful forum for
answering questions real time.
--
Thanks, Dan Becker
Re: Tuscany IRC Channel
Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:56 AM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I noticed that there's a Tuscany IRC channel referenced on the Tuscany
>>>> web site -- http://tuscany.apache.org/getting-involved.html. I joined
>>>> it, but doesn't look like it's being used by the community. FYI, while I was
>>>> there somebody else joined the channel and asked if this was a place to talk
>>>> with Tuscany developers...
>>>>
>>>> Different Apache communities have different policies regarding IRC
>>>> channels. So, don't know if you've explicitly decided not to use IRC as a
>>>> communication mechanism, or if it's just fallen into disuse. Either way,
>>>> suggest the references be deleted from the web site or start using the irc
>>>> channel... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I like IRC. We use it in the Geronimo community. I think it
>>>> adds a more human dimension to community interactions. It's also can be a
>>>> more convenient (and immediate) form of communication. It's a lightweight
>>>> means for resolving simple problems; tapping somebody on the shoulder, if
>>>> they broke the build; debating politics; or just saying hello. You do need
>>>> to be careful about protracted design discussions or basing decisions solely
>>>> based on IRC conversations. If you find you've discussed a problem to too
>>>> great a detail, summarize the conversation and post to the dev list. Just my
>>>> 2 cents...
>>>>
>>>> --kevan
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> We used to use it a lot for the kind of immediate communication you talk
>>> about but for some reason it's use has dwindled. I don't think that an
>>> explicit decision was take to stop using it. I too am a fan of IRC in terms
>>> of providing a human face to the Tuscany community. Am logged back in now!
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>
>> I've only seen myself and Kevan on the #tuscany channel recently. Does the
>> lack of comment here and lack of people on the channel mean they think it's
>> a bad idea?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>
> In the past IRC has been used on several of the Apache projects i've used,
> for random chatter and also scheduled get togethers, and we did used to do
> both of those in Tuscany. From what i recall the reason we stopped in
> Tuscany was an increasing dislike of IRC by the Incubator folks and it
> started to look like some would consider using IRC a mark against Tuscanys
> graduation so we stopped.
>
> I'm in two minds about it. I do think using IRC can easily lead to
> conversations that others not present would be interested in and posting a
> summary or chat log to the mailing list doesn't really compensate for that.
>
> ...ant
>
>
>
That's a fair point. I think there is certainly the risk of exchanging
ideas/thoughts on IRC that should be exchanged on the mail list. It's the
responsibility of those taking part to police that.
Simon
Re: Tuscany IRC Channel
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that there's a Tuscany IRC channel referenced on the Tuscany
>>> web site -- http://tuscany.apache.org/getting-involved.html. I joined
>>> it, but doesn't look like it's being used by the community. FYI, while I was
>>> there somebody else joined the channel and asked if this was a place to talk
>>> with Tuscany developers...
>>>
>>> Different Apache communities have different policies regarding IRC
>>> channels. So, don't know if you've explicitly decided not to use IRC as a
>>> communication mechanism, or if it's just fallen into disuse. Either way,
>>> suggest the references be deleted from the web site or start using the irc
>>> channel... ;-)
>>>
>>> Personally, I like IRC. We use it in the Geronimo community. I think it
>>> adds a more human dimension to community interactions. It's also can be a
>>> more convenient (and immediate) form of communication. It's a lightweight
>>> means for resolving simple problems; tapping somebody on the shoulder, if
>>> they broke the build; debating politics; or just saying hello. You do need
>>> to be careful about protracted design discussions or basing decisions solely
>>> based on IRC conversations. If you find you've discussed a problem to too
>>> great a detail, summarize the conversation and post to the dev list. Just my
>>> 2 cents...
>>>
>>> --kevan
>>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> We used to use it a lot for the kind of immediate communication you talk
>> about but for some reason it's use has dwindled. I don't think that an
>> explicit decision was take to stop using it. I too am a fan of IRC in terms
>> of providing a human face to the Tuscany community. Am logged back in now!
>>
>> Simon
>>
>
> I've only seen myself and Kevan on the #tuscany channel recently. Does the
> lack of comment here and lack of people on the channel mean they think it's
> a bad idea?
>
> Simon
>
In the past IRC has been used on several of the Apache projects i've used,
for random chatter and also scheduled get togethers, and we did used to do
both of those in Tuscany. From what i recall the reason we stopped in
Tuscany was an increasing dislike of IRC by the Incubator folks and it
started to look like some would consider using IRC a mark against Tuscanys
graduation so we stopped.
I'm in two minds about it. I do think using IRC can easily lead to
conversations that others not present would be interested in and posting a
summary or chat log to the mailing list doesn't really compensate for that.
...ant