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Posted to dev@openmeetings.apache.org by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> on 2012/03/12 08:24:08 UTC
A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator
Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Hi Tony,
There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
(like Apache board):
virtual Ubuntu host
1Gb memory
20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
25% of modern 2-core processor
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
>> Jukka,
>> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
>> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
>> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
>> Openmetings interview?
>>
>> Infra folks,
>> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
>> which can be used for real time communication?
>
> To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
> for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
> 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
> quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you can give
> us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
>
>> How difficult would it be?
>
> You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a 'server'
> it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
> which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
>
>> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
>
> So does skype. :-)
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
>> > Apache
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
>> > Date: 2012/3/5
>> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
>> > by SebastianWagner)
>> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
>> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
>> >
>> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
>> > forward to more good news from you!
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
>> > people
>> >> + can benefit from communication?
>> >
>> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
>> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
>> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
>> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
>> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
>> >
>> >> + Problems:
>> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
>> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
>> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
>> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
>> >
>> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
>> >
>> > BR,
>> >
>> > Jukka Zitting
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>
> http://blog.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> --------------------------------------"
>
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
*I'd be happy to help you figure out what demand really exists within the
ASF*
=> That would be great Ross!
By getting some feedback from within the ASF we could also gather some
ideas for improvements for our Roadmap.
Sebastian
2012/3/12 Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>
> On 12 March 2012 07:24, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
> > (like Apache board):
>
> I've not seen the Apache Board request such a service - quite the
> opposite in fact, there are reasons why a dial in conference is better
> for such meetings, this was discussed recently when someone suggested
> using Skype or equivalent.
>
> As for other projects the ASF generally discourages any kind of
> official synchronous communication as it excludes people in different
> time zones and increases the difficulties for people who do not speak
> English as a first language. That being said there might be some valid
> use cases for this kind of thing. I can imagine some projects running
> user focussed Q&A sessions, others might run occasional sessions to
> help new developers configure dev machines. I can also imagine it
> being useful during GSoC. However, I doubt infra will want to set-up
> and maintain such a server unless a reasonable number of projects have
> indicated they will use it.
>
> As an OpenMeetings mentor and as a member of the Community Development
> PMC I'd be happy to help you figure out what demand really exists
> within the ASF. Then, if appropriate, we can then approach infra for
> the resources. I note later in this thread it is indicated that
> bandwidth is a problem. If there is a compelling enough reason then a
> case could be made to increase the available bandwidth, but
> demonstration of genuine need must to come first.
>
> Ross
>
> >
> > virtual Ubuntu host
> > 1Gb memory
> > 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
> > 25% of modern 2-core processor
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
> >>> Jukka,
> >>> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
> >>> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
> >>> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
> >>> Openmetings interview?
> >>>
> >>> Infra folks,
> >>> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
> >>> which can be used for real time communication?
> >>
> >> To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a
> request
> >> for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking
> for a
> >> 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request
> will
> >> quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you
> can give
> >> us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
> >>
> >>> How difficult would it be?
> >>
> >> You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a
> 'server'
> >> it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both
> of
> >> which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
> >>
> >>> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
> >>
> >> So does skype. :-)
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> http://dataved.ru/
> >>> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo
> server @
> >>> > Apache
> >>> >
> >>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> >>> > Date: 2012/3/5
> >>> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of
> "March2012"
> >>> > by SebastianWagner)
> >>> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
> >>> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
> >>> >
> >>> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
> >>> > forward to more good news from you!
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache,
> so
> >>> > people
> >>> >> + can benefit from communication?
> >>> >
> >>> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
> >>> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
> >>> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
> >>> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
> >>> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
> >>> >
> >>> >> + Problems:
> >>> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear
> if we
> >>> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
> >>> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
> >>> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
> >>> >
> >>> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help
> on this.
> >>> >
> >>> > BR,
> >>> >
> >>> > Jukka Zitting
> >>> >
> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >>> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------
> >> Tony Stevenson
> >>
> >> tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> >> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
> >>
> >> http://blog.pc-tony.com
> >>
> >> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >> --------------------------------------"
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
*I'd be happy to help you figure out what demand really exists within the
ASF*
=> That would be great Ross!
By getting some feedback from within the ASF we could also gather some
ideas for improvements for our Roadmap.
Sebastian
2012/3/12 Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>
> On 12 March 2012 07:24, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
> > (like Apache board):
>
> I've not seen the Apache Board request such a service - quite the
> opposite in fact, there are reasons why a dial in conference is better
> for such meetings, this was discussed recently when someone suggested
> using Skype or equivalent.
>
> As for other projects the ASF generally discourages any kind of
> official synchronous communication as it excludes people in different
> time zones and increases the difficulties for people who do not speak
> English as a first language. That being said there might be some valid
> use cases for this kind of thing. I can imagine some projects running
> user focussed Q&A sessions, others might run occasional sessions to
> help new developers configure dev machines. I can also imagine it
> being useful during GSoC. However, I doubt infra will want to set-up
> and maintain such a server unless a reasonable number of projects have
> indicated they will use it.
>
> As an OpenMeetings mentor and as a member of the Community Development
> PMC I'd be happy to help you figure out what demand really exists
> within the ASF. Then, if appropriate, we can then approach infra for
> the resources. I note later in this thread it is indicated that
> bandwidth is a problem. If there is a compelling enough reason then a
> case could be made to increase the available bandwidth, but
> demonstration of genuine need must to come first.
>
> Ross
>
> >
> > virtual Ubuntu host
> > 1Gb memory
> > 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
> > 25% of modern 2-core processor
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
> >>> Jukka,
> >>> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
> >>> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
> >>> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
> >>> Openmetings interview?
> >>>
> >>> Infra folks,
> >>> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
> >>> which can be used for real time communication?
> >>
> >> To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a
> request
> >> for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking
> for a
> >> 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request
> will
> >> quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you
> can give
> >> us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
> >>
> >>> How difficult would it be?
> >>
> >> You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a
> 'server'
> >> it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both
> of
> >> which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
> >>
> >>> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
> >>
> >> So does skype. :-)
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> http://dataved.ru/
> >>> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo
> server @
> >>> > Apache
> >>> >
> >>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> >>> > Date: 2012/3/5
> >>> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of
> "March2012"
> >>> > by SebastianWagner)
> >>> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
> >>> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
> >>> >
> >>> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
> >>> > forward to more good news from you!
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache,
> so
> >>> > people
> >>> >> + can benefit from communication?
> >>> >
> >>> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
> >>> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
> >>> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
> >>> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
> >>> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
> >>> >
> >>> >> + Problems:
> >>> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear
> if we
> >>> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
> >>> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
> >>> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
> >>> >
> >>> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help
> on this.
> >>> >
> >>> > BR,
> >>> >
> >>> > Jukka Zitting
> >>> >
> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >>> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------
> >> Tony Stevenson
> >>
> >> tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> >> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
> >>
> >> http://blog.pc-tony.com
> >>
> >> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >> --------------------------------------"
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
On 12 March 2012 07:24, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
> (like Apache board):
I've not seen the Apache Board request such a service - quite the
opposite in fact, there are reasons why a dial in conference is better
for such meetings, this was discussed recently when someone suggested
using Skype or equivalent.
As for other projects the ASF generally discourages any kind of
official synchronous communication as it excludes people in different
time zones and increases the difficulties for people who do not speak
English as a first language. That being said there might be some valid
use cases for this kind of thing. I can imagine some projects running
user focussed Q&A sessions, others might run occasional sessions to
help new developers configure dev machines. I can also imagine it
being useful during GSoC. However, I doubt infra will want to set-up
and maintain such a server unless a reasonable number of projects have
indicated they will use it.
As an OpenMeetings mentor and as a member of the Community Development
PMC I'd be happy to help you figure out what demand really exists
within the ASF. Then, if appropriate, we can then approach infra for
the resources. I note later in this thread it is indicated that
bandwidth is a problem. If there is a compelling enough reason then a
case could be made to increase the available bandwidth, but
demonstration of genuine need must to come first.
Ross
>
> virtual Ubuntu host
> 1Gb memory
> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
> 25% of modern 2-core processor
>
>
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
>>> Jukka,
>>> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
>>> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
>>> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
>>> Openmetings interview?
>>>
>>> Infra folks,
>>> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
>>> which can be used for real time communication?
>>
>> To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
>> for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
>> 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
>> quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you can give
>> us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
>>
>>> How difficult would it be?
>>
>> You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a 'server'
>> it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
>> which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
>>
>>> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
>>
>> So does skype. :-)
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
>>> > Apache
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
>>> > Date: 2012/3/5
>>> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
>>> > by SebastianWagner)
>>> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
>>> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
>>> >
>>> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
>>> > forward to more good news from you!
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
>>> > people
>>> >> + can benefit from communication?
>>> >
>>> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
>>> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
>>> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
>>> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
>>> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
>>> >
>>> >> + Problems:
>>> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
>>> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
>>> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
>>> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
>>> >
>>> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
>>> >
>>> > BR,
>>> >
>>> > Jukka Zitting
>>> >
>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>> Tony Stevenson
>>
>> tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
>> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>>
>> http://blog.pc-tony.com
>>
>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> --------------------------------------"
>>
--
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
As I see Ross has replied, I dont want to drag this thread out, but to answer your specific questions below:
Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:59:17PM +0400:
> [somehow missed dev@]
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > @sebastian sure 20 Mbit/s server that cannot replace openmeetings.de
> > @tony I suspected that bandwidth can be a problem, I recall how Apache
> > Harmony guys were banned due to frequent svn checkouts
They werent banned due to bandwidth constraints, more that they were most likely killing the SVN service for everyone else.
> > I recall Apache owned several donated servers at different places, and
> > the server don't need to be close to the whole Apache infra. Could one
> > of these servers be used, or these remote donated servers are no
> > longer available?
You need to be clear, the only donated hardware we use are machines running at Y! that are part of our larger build farm. They are not intended to run meeting servers. Yes our infrastructure is global, and you are right the infrastructure doesnt neccesarily have to be in the same rack as everything else. But there are still some constraints, for example all locations must be conected to Internet2, or be a direct peer of their service. We also, dont tend to keep spare physical machines around as we usually plan our growth and replacement cycle during the budgetting process. In short we can provide you with a VM, but I would want to see incredibly strong data to back up the 20Mb requirement. As we will need to pass this up the chain to our colo, and they their provider.
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24:08AM +0400:
> >>> Hi Tony,
> >>>
> >>> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
> >>> (like Apache board):
> >>>
> >>> virtual Ubuntu host
> >>> 1Gb memory
> >>> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
> >>
> >> Alexei, we dont have that amount of bandwidth to throw this. Our main US circuit is only 50Mb. This has to provide all our other services too, such as svn, mail, www, mail-archives etc.
> >> Right now we are pushinvg that circuit at over 100Mb during peak periods. Adding another 20Mb is likely to upset folks at OSU.
> >>
> >>> 25% of modern 2-core processor
> >>
> >> Other resources you request should be do-able without a great deal of strain. It's just the bandwidth requirements that make this look very unattractive.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> http://dataved.ru/
> >>> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> > Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
> >>> >> Jukka,
> >>> >> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
> >>> >> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
> >>> >> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
> >>> >> Openmetings interview?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Infra folks,
> >>> >> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
> >>> >> which can be used for real time communication?
> >>> >
> >>> > To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
> >>> > for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
> >>> > 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
> >>> > quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you can give
> >>> > us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
> >>> >
> >>> >> How difficult would it be?
> >>> >
> >>> > You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a 'server'
> >>> > it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
> >>> > which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
> >>> >
> >>> >> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
> >>> >
> >>> > So does skype. :-)
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >>> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
> >>> >> > Apache
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> >> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> >>> >> > Date: 2012/3/5
> >>> >> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
> >>> >> > by SebastianWagner)
> >>> >> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Hi,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
> >>> >> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
> >>> >> > forward to more good news from you!
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> >> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
> >>> >> > people
> >>> >> >> + can benefit from communication?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
> >>> >> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
> >>> >> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
> >>> >> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
> >>> >> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> + Problems:
> >>> >> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
> >>> >> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
> >>> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
> >>> >> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > BR,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Jukka Zitting
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >>> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > --
> >>> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >>> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >>> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> >
> >>> > Cheers,
> >>> > Tony
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > ---------------------------------------
> >>> > Tony Stevenson
> >>> >
> >>> > tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> >>> > tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
> >>> >
> >>> > http://blog.pc-tony.com
> >>> >
> >>> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>> > --------------------------------------"
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------
> >> Tony Stevenson
> >>
> >> tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> >> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
> >>
> >> http://blog.pc-tony.com
> >>
> >> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >> --------------------------------------"
> >>
>
--
Cheers,
Tony
---------------------------------------
Tony Stevenson
tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
http://blog.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
--------------------------------------"
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
As I see Ross has replied, I dont want to drag this thread out, but to answer your specific questions below:
Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:59:17PM +0400:
> [somehow missed dev@]
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > @sebastian sure 20 Mbit/s server that cannot replace openmeetings.de
> > @tony I suspected that bandwidth can be a problem, I recall how Apache
> > Harmony guys were banned due to frequent svn checkouts
They werent banned due to bandwidth constraints, more that they were most likely killing the SVN service for everyone else.
> > I recall Apache owned several donated servers at different places, and
> > the server don't need to be close to the whole Apache infra. Could one
> > of these servers be used, or these remote donated servers are no
> > longer available?
You need to be clear, the only donated hardware we use are machines running at Y! that are part of our larger build farm. They are not intended to run meeting servers. Yes our infrastructure is global, and you are right the infrastructure doesnt neccesarily have to be in the same rack as everything else. But there are still some constraints, for example all locations must be conected to Internet2, or be a direct peer of their service. We also, dont tend to keep spare physical machines around as we usually plan our growth and replacement cycle during the budgetting process. In short we can provide you with a VM, but I would want to see incredibly strong data to back up the 20Mb requirement. As we will need to pass this up the chain to our colo, and they their provider.
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24:08AM +0400:
> >>> Hi Tony,
> >>>
> >>> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
> >>> (like Apache board):
> >>>
> >>> virtual Ubuntu host
> >>> 1Gb memory
> >>> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
> >>
> >> Alexei, we dont have that amount of bandwidth to throw this. Our main US circuit is only 50Mb. This has to provide all our other services too, such as svn, mail, www, mail-archives etc.
> >> Right now we are pushinvg that circuit at over 100Mb during peak periods. Adding another 20Mb is likely to upset folks at OSU.
> >>
> >>> 25% of modern 2-core processor
> >>
> >> Other resources you request should be do-able without a great deal of strain. It's just the bandwidth requirements that make this look very unattractive.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> http://dataved.ru/
> >>> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> > Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
> >>> >> Jukka,
> >>> >> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
> >>> >> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
> >>> >> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
> >>> >> Openmetings interview?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Infra folks,
> >>> >> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
> >>> >> which can be used for real time communication?
> >>> >
> >>> > To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
> >>> > for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
> >>> > 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
> >>> > quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you can give
> >>> > us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
> >>> >
> >>> >> How difficult would it be?
> >>> >
> >>> > You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a 'server'
> >>> > it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
> >>> > which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
> >>> >
> >>> >> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
> >>> >
> >>> > So does skype. :-)
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >>> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
> >>> >> > Apache
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> >> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> >>> >> > Date: 2012/3/5
> >>> >> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
> >>> >> > by SebastianWagner)
> >>> >> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Hi,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
> >>> >> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
> >>> >> > forward to more good news from you!
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> >> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
> >>> >> > people
> >>> >> >> + can benefit from communication?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
> >>> >> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
> >>> >> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
> >>> >> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
> >>> >> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> + Problems:
> >>> >> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
> >>> >> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
> >>> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
> >>> >> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > BR,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Jukka Zitting
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >>> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > --
> >>> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >>> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >>> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> >
> >>> > Cheers,
> >>> > Tony
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > ---------------------------------------
> >>> > Tony Stevenson
> >>> >
> >>> > tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> >>> > tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
> >>> >
> >>> > http://blog.pc-tony.com
> >>> >
> >>> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>> > --------------------------------------"
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------
> >> Tony Stevenson
> >>
> >> tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> >> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
> >>
> >> http://blog.pc-tony.com
> >>
> >> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >> --------------------------------------"
> >>
>
--
Cheers,
Tony
---------------------------------------
Tony Stevenson
tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
http://blog.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
--------------------------------------"
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
[somehow missed dev@]
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @sebastian sure 20 Mbit/s server that cannot replace openmeetings.de
> @tony I suspected that bandwidth can be a problem, I recall how Apache
> Harmony guys were banned due to frequent svn checkouts
>
> I recall Apache owned several donated servers at different places, and
> the server don't need to be close to the whole Apache infra. Could one
> of these servers be used, or these remote donated servers are no
> longer available?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24:08AM +0400:
>>> Hi Tony,
>>>
>>> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
>>> (like Apache board):
>>>
>>> virtual Ubuntu host
>>> 1Gb memory
>>> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
>>
>> Alexei, we dont have that amount of bandwidth to throw this. Our main US circuit is only 50Mb. This has to provide all our other services too, such as svn, mail, www, mail-archives etc.
>> Right now we are pushinvg that circuit at over 100Mb during peak periods. Adding another 20Mb is likely to upset folks at OSU.
>>
>>> 25% of modern 2-core processor
>>
>> Other resources you request should be do-able without a great deal of strain. It's just the bandwidth requirements that make this look very unattractive.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
>>> >> Jukka,
>>> >> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
>>> >> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
>>> >> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
>>> >> Openmetings interview?
>>> >>
>>> >> Infra folks,
>>> >> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
>>> >> which can be used for real time communication?
>>> >
>>> > To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
>>> > for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
>>> > 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
>>> > quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you can give
>>> > us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
>>> >
>>> >> How difficult would it be?
>>> >
>>> > You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a 'server'
>>> > it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
>>> > which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
>>> >
>>> >> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
>>> >
>>> > So does skype. :-)
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> >> http://dataved.ru/
>>> >> +7 916 562 8095
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
>>> >> > Apache
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
>>> >> > Date: 2012/3/5
>>> >> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
>>> >> > by SebastianWagner)
>>> >> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Hi,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
>>> >> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
>>> >> > forward to more good news from you!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
>>> >> > people
>>> >> >> + can benefit from communication?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
>>> >> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
>>> >> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
>>> >> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
>>> >> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> + Problems:
>>> >> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
>>> >> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
>>> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
>>> >> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > BR,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Jukka Zitting
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Tony
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---------------------------------------
>>> > Tony Stevenson
>>> >
>>> > tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
>>> > tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>>> >
>>> > http://blog.pc-tony.com
>>> >
>>> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>> > --------------------------------------"
>>> >
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>> Tony Stevenson
>>
>> tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
>> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>>
>> http://blog.pc-tony.com
>>
>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> --------------------------------------"
>>
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
[somehow missed dev@]
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @sebastian sure 20 Mbit/s server that cannot replace openmeetings.de
> @tony I suspected that bandwidth can be a problem, I recall how Apache
> Harmony guys were banned due to frequent svn checkouts
>
> I recall Apache owned several donated servers at different places, and
> the server don't need to be close to the whole Apache infra. Could one
> of these servers be used, or these remote donated servers are no
> longer available?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24:08AM +0400:
>>> Hi Tony,
>>>
>>> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
>>> (like Apache board):
>>>
>>> virtual Ubuntu host
>>> 1Gb memory
>>> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
>>
>> Alexei, we dont have that amount of bandwidth to throw this. Our main US circuit is only 50Mb. This has to provide all our other services too, such as svn, mail, www, mail-archives etc.
>> Right now we are pushinvg that circuit at over 100Mb during peak periods. Adding another 20Mb is likely to upset folks at OSU.
>>
>>> 25% of modern 2-core processor
>>
>> Other resources you request should be do-able without a great deal of strain. It's just the bandwidth requirements that make this look very unattractive.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
>>> >> Jukka,
>>> >> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
>>> >> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
>>> >> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
>>> >> Openmetings interview?
>>> >>
>>> >> Infra folks,
>>> >> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
>>> >> which can be used for real time communication?
>>> >
>>> > To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
>>> > for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
>>> > 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
>>> > quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you can give
>>> > us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
>>> >
>>> >> How difficult would it be?
>>> >
>>> > You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a 'server'
>>> > it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
>>> > which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
>>> >
>>> >> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
>>> >
>>> > So does skype. :-)
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> >> http://dataved.ru/
>>> >> +7 916 562 8095
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
>>> >> > Apache
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
>>> >> > Date: 2012/3/5
>>> >> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
>>> >> > by SebastianWagner)
>>> >> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Hi,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
>>> >> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
>>> >> > forward to more good news from you!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
>>> >> > people
>>> >> >> + can benefit from communication?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
>>> >> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
>>> >> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
>>> >> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
>>> >> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> + Problems:
>>> >> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
>>> >> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
>>> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
>>> >> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > BR,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Jukka Zitting
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Tony
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---------------------------------------
>>> > Tony Stevenson
>>> >
>>> > tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
>>> > tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>>> >
>>> > http://blog.pc-tony.com
>>> >
>>> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>> > --------------------------------------"
>>> >
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>> Tony Stevenson
>>
>> tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
>> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>>
>> http://blog.pc-tony.com
>>
>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> --------------------------------------"
>>
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
@sebastian sure 20 Mbit/s server that cannot replace openmeetings.de
@tony I suspected that bandwidth can be a problem, I recall how Apache
Harmony guys were banned due to frequent svn checkouts
I recall Apache owned several donated servers at different places, and
the server don't need to be close to the whole Apache infra. Could one
of these servers be used, or these remote donated servers are no
longer available?
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24:08AM +0400:
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
>> (like Apache board):
>>
>> virtual Ubuntu host
>> 1Gb memory
>> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
>
> Alexei, we dont have that amount of bandwidth to throw this. Our main US circuit is only 50Mb. This has to provide all our other services too, such as svn, mail, www, mail-archives etc.
> Right now we are pushinvg that circuit at over 100Mb during peak periods. Adding another 20Mb is likely to upset folks at OSU.
>
>> 25% of modern 2-core processor
>
> Other resources you request should be do-able without a great deal of strain. It's just the bandwidth requirements that make this look very unattractive.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
>> >> Jukka,
>> >> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
>> >> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
>> >> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
>> >> Openmetings interview?
>> >>
>> >> Infra folks,
>> >> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
>> >> which can be used for real time communication?
>> >
>> > To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
>> > for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
>> > 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
>> > quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you can give
>> > us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
>> >
>> >> How difficult would it be?
>> >
>> > You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a 'server'
>> > it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
>> > which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
>> >
>> >> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
>> >
>> > So does skype. :-)
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >> http://dataved.ru/
>> >> +7 916 562 8095
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
>> >> > Apache
>> >> >
>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
>> >> > Date: 2012/3/5
>> >> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
>> >> > by SebastianWagner)
>> >> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
>> >> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
>> >> > forward to more good news from you!
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
>> >> > people
>> >> >> + can benefit from communication?
>> >> >
>> >> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
>> >> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
>> >> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
>> >> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
>> >> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
>> >> >
>> >> >> + Problems:
>> >> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
>> >> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
>> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
>> >> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
>> >> >
>> >> > BR,
>> >> >
>> >> > Jukka Zitting
>> >> >
>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Tony
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------
>> > Tony Stevenson
>> >
>> > tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
>> > tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>> >
>> > http://blog.pc-tony.com
>> >
>> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> > --------------------------------------"
>> >
>>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>
> http://blog.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> --------------------------------------"
>
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24:08AM +0400:
> Hi Tony,
>
> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
> (like Apache board):
>
> virtual Ubuntu host
> 1Gb memory
> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
Alexei, we dont have that amount of bandwidth to throw this. Our main US circuit is only 50Mb. This has to provide all our other services too, such as svn, mail, www, mail-archives etc.
Right now we are pushinvg that circuit at over 100Mb during peak periods. Adding another 20Mb is likely to upset folks at OSU.
> 25% of modern 2-core processor
Other resources you request should be do-able without a great deal of strain. It's just the bandwidth requirements that make this look very unattractive.
>
>
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
> >> Jukka,
> >> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
> >> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
> >> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
> >> Openmetings interview?
> >>
> >> Infra folks,
> >> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
> >> which can be used for real time communication?
> >
> > To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
> > for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
> > 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
> > quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you can give
> > us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
> >
> >> How difficult would it be?
> >
> > You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a 'server'
> > it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
> > which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
> >
> >> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
> >
> > So does skype. :-)
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
> >> > Apache
> >> >
> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> >> > Date: 2012/3/5
> >> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
> >> > by SebastianWagner)
> >> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
> >> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
> >> >
> >> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
> >> > forward to more good news from you!
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
> >> > people
> >> >> + can benefit from communication?
> >> >
> >> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
> >> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
> >> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
> >> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
> >> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
> >> >
> >> >> + Problems:
> >> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
> >> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
> >> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
> >> >
> >> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
> >> >
> >> > BR,
> >> >
> >> > Jukka Zitting
> >> >
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
> > Tony Stevenson
> >
> > tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> > tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
> >
> > http://blog.pc-tony.com
> >
> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > --------------------------------------"
> >
>
--
Cheers,
Tony
---------------------------------------
Tony Stevenson
tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
http://blog.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
--------------------------------------"
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
Hi Alexei,
such a server will hardly be possible to replace the current Demo Server.
There are around 50.000 user profiles on that server hosted. Avverage there
are 20-30 people online, sometimes lot more. And there are around 20.000
conference rooms on it.
Sebastian
2012/3/12 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> Hi Tony,
>
> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
> (like Apache board):
>
> virtual Ubuntu host
> 1Gb memory
> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
> 25% of modern 2-core processor
>
>
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
> >> Jukka,
> >> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
> >> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
> >> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
> >> Openmetings interview?
> >>
> >> Infra folks,
> >> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
> >> which can be used for real time communication?
> >
> > To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a
> request
> > for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking
> for a
> > 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request
> will
> > quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you
> can give
> > us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
> >
> >> How difficult would it be?
> >
> > You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a
> 'server'
> > it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
> > which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
> >
> >> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
> >
> > So does skype. :-)
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo
> server @
> >> > Apache
> >> >
> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> >> > Date: 2012/3/5
> >> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of
> "March2012"
> >> > by SebastianWagner)
> >> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
> >> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
> >> >
> >> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
> >> > forward to more good news from you!
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
> >> > people
> >> >> + can benefit from communication?
> >> >
> >> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
> >> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
> >> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
> >> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
> >> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
> >> >
> >> >> + Problems:
> >> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if
> we
> >> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
> >> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
> >> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
> >> >
> >> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help
> on this.
> >> >
> >> > BR,
> >> >
> >> > Jukka Zitting
> >> >
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
> > Tony Stevenson
> >
> > tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> > tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
> >
> > http://blog.pc-tony.com
> >
> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > --------------------------------------"
> >
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24:08AM +0400:
> Hi Tony,
>
> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
> (like Apache board):
>
> virtual Ubuntu host
> 1Gb memory
> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
Alexei, we dont have that amount of bandwidth to throw this. Our main US circuit is only 50Mb. This has to provide all our other services too, such as svn, mail, www, mail-archives etc.
Right now we are pushinvg that circuit at over 100Mb during peak periods. Adding another 20Mb is likely to upset folks at OSU.
> 25% of modern 2-core processor
Other resources you request should be do-able without a great deal of strain. It's just the bandwidth requirements that make this look very unattractive.
>
>
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
> >> Jukka,
> >> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
> >> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
> >> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
> >> Openmetings interview?
> >>
> >> Infra folks,
> >> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
> >> which can be used for real time communication?
> >
> > To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
> > for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
> > 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
> > quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you can give
> > us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
> >
> >> How difficult would it be?
> >
> > You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a 'server'
> > it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
> > which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
> >
> >> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
> >
> > So does skype. :-)
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
> >> > Apache
> >> >
> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> >> > Date: 2012/3/5
> >> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
> >> > by SebastianWagner)
> >> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
> >> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
> >> >
> >> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
> >> > forward to more good news from you!
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
> >> > people
> >> >> + can benefit from communication?
> >> >
> >> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
> >> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
> >> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
> >> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
> >> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
> >> >
> >> >> + Problems:
> >> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
> >> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
> >> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
> >> >
> >> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
> >> >
> >> > BR,
> >> >
> >> > Jukka Zitting
> >> >
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
> > Tony Stevenson
> >
> > tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
> > tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
> >
> > http://blog.pc-tony.com
> >
> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
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> >
>
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Tony
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tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
http://blog.pc-tony.com
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Re: A server for Openmeetings Re: OpenMeetings status (Was:
[Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by SebastianWagner)
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
On 12 March 2012 07:24, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
> (like Apache board):
I've not seen the Apache Board request such a service - quite the
opposite in fact, there are reasons why a dial in conference is better
for such meetings, this was discussed recently when someone suggested
using Skype or equivalent.
As for other projects the ASF generally discourages any kind of
official synchronous communication as it excludes people in different
time zones and increases the difficulties for people who do not speak
English as a first language. That being said there might be some valid
use cases for this kind of thing. I can imagine some projects running
user focussed Q&A sessions, others might run occasional sessions to
help new developers configure dev machines. I can also imagine it
being useful during GSoC. However, I doubt infra will want to set-up
and maintain such a server unless a reasonable number of projects have
indicated they will use it.
As an OpenMeetings mentor and as a member of the Community Development
PMC I'd be happy to help you figure out what demand really exists
within the ASF. Then, if appropriate, we can then approach infra for
the resources. I note later in this thread it is indicated that
bandwidth is a problem. If there is a compelling enough reason then a
case could be made to increase the available bandwidth, but
demonstration of genuine need must to come first.
Ross
>
> virtual Ubuntu host
> 1Gb memory
> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
> 25% of modern 2-core processor
>
>
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
>>> Jukka,
>>> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
>>> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
>>> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
>>> Openmetings interview?
>>>
>>> Infra folks,
>>> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
>>> which can be used for real time communication?
>>
>> To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
>> for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
>> 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
>> quite likely grind to a halt. In other words the more information you can give
>> us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
>>
>>> How difficult would it be?
>>
>> You tell us, we haven't deployed it before. If we were to give you a 'server'
>> it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
>> which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
>>
>>> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
>>
>> So does skype. :-)
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
>>> > Apache
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
>>> > Date: 2012/3/5
>>> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
>>> > by SebastianWagner)
>>> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
>>> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
>>> >
>>> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
>>> > forward to more good news from you!
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> + - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
>>> > people
>>> >> + can benefit from communication?
>>> >
>>> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
>>> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
>>> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
>>> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
>>> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
>>> >
>>> >> + Problems:
>>> >> + * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
>>> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
>>> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
>>> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
>>> >
>>> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
>>> >
>>> > BR,
>>> >
>>> > Jukka Zitting
>>> >
>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>> Tony Stevenson
>>
>> tony@pc-tony.com // pctony@apache.org
>> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>>
>> http://blog.pc-tony.com
>>
>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
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>>
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