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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Peter Kovacs <le...@gmail.com> on 2017/05/01 20:44:09 UTC

Re: Apache OpenOffice NG

I am sorry not writing aß of Late. I lack time even to follow the list
regularly atm. :(

For good code you need to compile, build the product I mean. There is no
point in outsourcing this.

I think we are alone as long as we do not manage some fundamental reforms.

I think of:
1) ease building
2) strong generic library architecture
3) work tools to help in their projects
4) rally the Open office community behind an organization that develops the
application

I know this is very complex because this strategy heads in different
directions and differs a lot from current thinking. Also it is imho
difficult to achieve since our resources are limited. In skill and in
number.

I hope to have some more time again for open office in near future. Then I
will let you know.

All the best
Peter

Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> schrieb am So., 23. Apr. 2017, 11:14:

> > From: Dr. Michael Stehmann [mailto:anwalt@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de]
>
> > P.S.: Why should I install Apache OpenOffice on a server
> > under wine? ;-)
>
> Sorry, but my technical knowledge is far better than my English and I
> hoped that a
> concrete example would create more clarity than a linguistically imprecise
> statement.
>
>
> Jörg
>
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Re: Apache OpenOffice NG

Posted by Roberto Galoppini <ro...@gmail.com>.
Exactly.
It seems just a distraction to me, unless I've missed hidden or untold
bonus points.

R

2017-05-02 13:11 GMT+02:00 Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com>:

> The issue that I see is that our end-user community is not the same
> as, for example, subversion... I would hazard that the vast majority
> of AOO users have no idea what "open source" means and the distinction
> between being a source-only project and "source-only-but-we-also-provide-
> community-builds" would be lost on them...
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Re: Apache OpenOffice NG

Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
On 5/2/2017 8:42 AM, Jorg Schmidt wrote:
>
>> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@jaguNET.com]
>
>> The issue that I see is that our end-user community is not the same
>> as, for example, subversion... I would hazard that the vast majority
>> of AOO users have no idea what "open source" means and the distinction
>> between being a source-only project and
>> "source-only-but-we-also-provide-
>> community-builds" would be lost on them...
>
> +1
>
> Jorg

Currently, if someone finds advertising or malware in their AOO 
installation we can tell them to download AOO only through our download 
link. What would we do in that situation if we did not provide 
downloadable binaries?

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Re: Apache OpenOffice NG

Posted by Jorg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@jaguNET.com] 

> The issue that I see is that our end-user community is not the same
> as, for example, subversion... I would hazard that the vast majority
> of AOO users have no idea what "open source" means and the distinction
> between being a source-only project and 
> "source-only-but-we-also-provide-
> community-builds" would be lost on them...

+1

Jorg


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Re: Apache OpenOffice NG

Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
The issue that I see is that our end-user community is not the same
as, for example, subversion... I would hazard that the vast majority
of AOO users have no idea what "open source" means and the distinction
between being a source-only project and "source-only-but-we-also-provide-
community-builds" would be lost on them...

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Re: Apache OpenOffice NG

Posted by Joost Andrae <Jo...@gmx.de>.
Am 02.05.2017 um 13:11 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> The issue that I see is that our end-user community is not the same
> as, for example, subversion... I would hazard that the vast majority
> of AOO users have no idea what "open source" means and the distinction
> between being a source-only project and "source-only-but-we-also-provide-
> community-builds" would be lost on them...
> 

+1

Kind regards, Joost


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Re: Apache OpenOffice NG

Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi - continuing the top posting.

I think what Raphael is referring to is if the project should follow a pattern similar to Apache Subversion where only source code and no binary packages are provided.

If you look at https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html you will see what is meant. I am not sure how that would work for us. We already have a few “packagers”, but then also subversion is very simple compared to OpenOffice. The governance on deciding what is allowed on a packagers page might exceed the effort in maintaining viable Windows, Mac and Ubuntu/Linux builds. This is really the crux of “ease building”. (1)

Alternatively finding a way for a hypothetical organization to develop the application including security issues. The question would be who is that organization and would they be doing Apache OpenOffice or ${OfficeSuite} powered by Apache OpenOffice?

Regards,
Dave

> On May 1, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Peter Kovacs <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am sorry not writing aß of Late. I lack time even to follow the list
> regularly atm. :(
> 
> For good code you need to compile, build the product I mean. There is no
> point in outsourcing this.
> 
> I think we are alone as long as we do not manage some fundamental reforms.
> 
> I think of:
> 1) ease building
> 2) strong generic library architecture
> 3) work tools to help in their projects
> 4) rally the Open office community behind an organization that develops the
> application
> 
> I know this is very complex because this strategy heads in different
> directions and differs a lot from current thinking. Also it is imho
> difficult to achieve since our resources are limited. In skill and in
> number.
> 
> I hope to have some more time again for open office in near future. Then I
> will let you know.
> 
> All the best
> Peter
> 
> Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> schrieb am So., 23. Apr. 2017, 11:14:
> 
>>> From: Dr. Michael Stehmann [mailto:anwalt@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de]
>> 
>>> P.S.: Why should I install Apache OpenOffice on a server
>>> under wine? ;-)
>> 
>> Sorry, but my technical knowledge is far better than my English and I
>> hoped that a
>> concrete example would create more clarity than a linguistically imprecise
>> statement.
>> 
>> 
>> Jörg
>> 
>> 
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