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Posted to dev@wicket.apache.org by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> on 2007/08/14 23:28:27 UTC
The future of the wicket stuff mailinglists
I know this is a touchy feely issue and we have discussed this over
again. With the migration of Wicket to Apache, the wicket stuff
projects are more remotely administered than before. All the Wicket
mailling lists have been migrated to Apache lists, and our community
is gathering steam again at our new home.
There is one thing that still troubles me: the wicket stuff projects
and the mailing lists of the project.
Wicket stuff can't live currently without the main wicket lists. The
main lists (dev, commits, users) have a solid user base and that base
needs to be informed about new initiatives, new releases etc.
Personally I really don't mind having the discussion concerning 'stuff
projects on our Apache lists, in fact I prefer that, because it keeps
the community together, and allows us to keep monitoring the projects
for possible inclusion at Apache. Furthermore, most of the projects
are maintained by core members, so it is odd to have discussions on
separate lists, where even discussions may have consequences to the
other project.
I propose the following bold move:
shut down the wicket-stuff lists in favor of the apache based lists.
If the 'stuff discussions get out of hand we can always divide and
conquer. For now, these projects need more involvement and publicity.
This can only happen if they are exposed to the grander wicket
community.
WDYT?
Martijn
--
Wicket joins the Apache Software Foundation as Apache Wicket
Apache Wicket 1.3.0-beta2 is released
Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.0-beta2/
Re: The future of the wicket stuff mailinglists
Posted by Gerolf Seitz <ge...@gmail.com>.
crap, sent too early...
maybe some "rules" or rather guidelines about what content (dev-questions,
announcements, etc..) can be sent to which list (users, dev) should be put
on the wicket-stuff wiki...
gerolf
On 8/14/07, Gerolf Seitz <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> tbh, i didn't even realize that there were 'stuff-mailing lists.
> and posts like [0] didn't even let me come up with the idea to look for
> wicketstuff specific mailing lists ;)
>
> maybe some "rules" or rather guidelines
>
> [0]
> http://www.nabble.com/wicket-stuff-GMap%3A-New-Exciting-Features%3A%29-tf3726142.html#a10428027
>
> On 8/14/07, Nick Heudecker <nh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with using the Apache-based lists for Wicket Stuff. I don't
> > think
> > the traffic is high enough to warrant dedicated mailing lists and it's
> > easy
> > to use subject line prefixes, like "[TinyMCE] ...", for non-core
> > discussions.
> >
> > On 8/14/07, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know this is a touchy feely issue and we have discussed this over
> > > again. With the migration of Wicket to Apache, the wicket stuff
> > > projects are more remotely administered than before. All the Wicket
> > > mailling lists have been migrated to Apache lists, and our community
> > > is gathering steam again at our new home.
> > >
> > > There is one thing that still troubles me: the wicket stuff projects
> > > and the mailing lists of the project.
> > >
> > > Wicket stuff can't live currently without the main wicket lists. The
> > > main lists (dev, commits, users) have a solid user base and that base
> > > needs to be informed about new initiatives, new releases etc.
> > >
> > > Personally I really don't mind having the discussion concerning 'stuff
> >
> > > projects on our Apache lists, in fact I prefer that, because it keeps
> > > the community together, and allows us to keep monitoring the projects
> > > for possible inclusion at Apache. Furthermore, most of the projects
> > > are maintained by core members, so it is odd to have discussions on
> > > separate lists, where even discussions may have consequences to the
> > > other project.
> > >
> > > I propose the following bold move:
> > >
> > > shut down the wicket-stuff lists in favor of the apache based
> > lists.
> > >
> > > If the 'stuff discussions get out of hand we can always divide and
> > > conquer. For now, these projects need more involvement and publicity.
> > > This can only happen if they are exposed to the grander wicket
> > > community.
> > >
> > > WDYT?
> > >
> > > Martijn
> > >
> > > --
> > > Wicket joins the Apache Software Foundation as Apache Wicket
> > > Apache Wicket 1.3.0-beta2 is released
> > > Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.0-beta2/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nick Heudecker
> > Professional Wicket Training & Consulting
> > http://www.systemmobile.com
> >
> > Eventful - Intelligent Event Management
> > http://www.eventfulhq.com
> >
>
>
Re: The future of the wicket stuff mailinglists
Posted by Gerolf Seitz <ge...@gmail.com>.
tbh, i didn't even realize that there were 'stuff-mailing lists.
and posts like [0] didn't even let me come up with the idea to look for
wicketstuff specific mailing lists ;)
maybe some "rules" or rather guidelines
[0]
http://www.nabble.com/wicket-stuff-GMap%3A-New-Exciting-Features%3A%29-tf3726142.html#a10428027
On 8/14/07, Nick Heudecker <nh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with using the Apache-based lists for Wicket Stuff. I don't think
> the traffic is high enough to warrant dedicated mailing lists and it's
> easy
> to use subject line prefixes, like "[TinyMCE] ...", for non-core
> discussions.
>
> On 8/14/07, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I know this is a touchy feely issue and we have discussed this over
> > again. With the migration of Wicket to Apache, the wicket stuff
> > projects are more remotely administered than before. All the Wicket
> > mailling lists have been migrated to Apache lists, and our community
> > is gathering steam again at our new home.
> >
> > There is one thing that still troubles me: the wicket stuff projects
> > and the mailing lists of the project.
> >
> > Wicket stuff can't live currently without the main wicket lists. The
> > main lists (dev, commits, users) have a solid user base and that base
> > needs to be informed about new initiatives, new releases etc.
> >
> > Personally I really don't mind having the discussion concerning 'stuff
> > projects on our Apache lists, in fact I prefer that, because it keeps
> > the community together, and allows us to keep monitoring the projects
> > for possible inclusion at Apache. Furthermore, most of the projects
> > are maintained by core members, so it is odd to have discussions on
> > separate lists, where even discussions may have consequences to the
> > other project.
> >
> > I propose the following bold move:
> >
> > shut down the wicket-stuff lists in favor of the apache based lists.
> >
> > If the 'stuff discussions get out of hand we can always divide and
> > conquer. For now, these projects need more involvement and publicity.
> > This can only happen if they are exposed to the grander wicket
> > community.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> > --
> > Wicket joins the Apache Software Foundation as Apache Wicket
> > Apache Wicket 1.3.0-beta2 is released
> > Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.0-beta2/
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Nick Heudecker
> Professional Wicket Training & Consulting
> http://www.systemmobile.com
>
> Eventful - Intelligent Event Management
> http://www.eventfulhq.com
>
Re: The future of the wicket stuff mailinglists
Posted by Nick Heudecker <nh...@gmail.com>.
I agree with using the Apache-based lists for Wicket Stuff. I don't think
the traffic is high enough to warrant dedicated mailing lists and it's easy
to use subject line prefixes, like "[TinyMCE] ...", for non-core
discussions.
On 8/14/07, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I know this is a touchy feely issue and we have discussed this over
> again. With the migration of Wicket to Apache, the wicket stuff
> projects are more remotely administered than before. All the Wicket
> mailling lists have been migrated to Apache lists, and our community
> is gathering steam again at our new home.
>
> There is one thing that still troubles me: the wicket stuff projects
> and the mailing lists of the project.
>
> Wicket stuff can't live currently without the main wicket lists. The
> main lists (dev, commits, users) have a solid user base and that base
> needs to be informed about new initiatives, new releases etc.
>
> Personally I really don't mind having the discussion concerning 'stuff
> projects on our Apache lists, in fact I prefer that, because it keeps
> the community together, and allows us to keep monitoring the projects
> for possible inclusion at Apache. Furthermore, most of the projects
> are maintained by core members, so it is odd to have discussions on
> separate lists, where even discussions may have consequences to the
> other project.
>
> I propose the following bold move:
>
> shut down the wicket-stuff lists in favor of the apache based lists.
>
> If the 'stuff discussions get out of hand we can always divide and
> conquer. For now, these projects need more involvement and publicity.
> This can only happen if they are exposed to the grander wicket
> community.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Martijn
>
> --
> Wicket joins the Apache Software Foundation as Apache Wicket
> Apache Wicket 1.3.0-beta2 is released
> Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.0-beta2/
>
--
Nick Heudecker
Professional Wicket Training & Consulting
http://www.systemmobile.com
Eventful - Intelligent Event Management
http://www.eventfulhq.com
Re: The future of the wicket stuff mailinglists
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jb...@apache.org>.
* Martijn Dashorst:
> The only I have left standing it the autocvs.
wicket-autocvs@lists.sourceforge.net you mean, or the one from
wicket-stuff?
I still receive wicket-stuff commits on this address, but I can't
see mailing-lists on SourceForge's Wicket project page.
--
Jean-Baptiste Quenot
aka John Banana Qwerty
http://caraldi.com/jbq/
Re: The future of the wicket stuff mailinglists
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
jbq is an admin in that jira so he can change it :)
-igor
On 8/21/07, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 8/21/07, Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jb...@apache.org> wrote:
> > One thing, I'd like the JIRA notifications to get forwarded to the
> > Apache mailing-lists. Do you know how to do that?
>
> Nope, but I bet Igor knows that :)
>
> Martijn
>
> --
> Wicket joins the Apache Software Foundation as Apache Wicket
> Apache Wicket 1.3.0-beta2 is released
> Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.0-beta2/
>
Re: The future of the wicket stuff mailinglists
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 8/21/07, Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jb...@apache.org> wrote:
> One thing, I'd like the JIRA notifications to get forwarded to the
> Apache mailing-lists. Do you know how to do that?
Nope, but I bet Igor knows that :)
Martijn
--
Wicket joins the Apache Software Foundation as Apache Wicket
Apache Wicket 1.3.0-beta2 is released
Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.0-beta2/
Re: The future of the wicket stuff mailinglists
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jb...@apache.org>.
* Martijn Dashorst:
> Done. I have removed all administrator folks from the user and
> dev lists, so they don't get messages anymore. I also added an
> auto-responder so that folks get a message telling them to
> repost to the apache lists.
>
> In principle nobody should recieve spam from these lists
> anymore.
>
> The only I have left standing it the autocvs.
OK.
One thing, I'd like the JIRA notifications to get forwarded to the
Apache mailing-lists. Do you know how to do that?
--
Jean-Baptiste Quenot
aka John Banana Qwerty
http://caraldi.com/jbq/
Re: The future of the wicket stuff mailinglists
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
Done. I have removed all administrator folks from the user and dev
lists, so they don't get messages anymore. I also added an
auto-responder so that folks get a message telling them to repost to
the apache lists.
In principle nobody should recieve spam from these lists anymore.
The only I have left standing it the autocvs.
Martijn
--
Wicket joins the Apache Software Foundation as Apache Wicket
Apache Wicket 1.3.0-beta2 is released
Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.0-beta2/
Re: The future of the wicket stuff mailinglists
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jb...@apache.org>.
* Martijn Dashorst:
> I know this is a touchy feely issue and we have discussed this over
> again. With the migration of Wicket to Apache, the wicket stuff
> projects are more remotely administered than before. All the Wicket
> mailling lists have been migrated to Apache lists, and our community
> is gathering steam again at our new home.
>
> There is one thing that still troubles me: the wicket stuff projects
> and the mailing lists of the project.
>
> Wicket stuff can't live currently without the main wicket lists. The
> main lists (dev, commits, users) have a solid user base and that base
> needs to be informed about new initiatives, new releases etc.
>
> Personally I really don't mind having the discussion concerning 'stuff
> projects on our Apache lists, in fact I prefer that, because it keeps
> the community together, and allows us to keep monitoring the projects
> for possible inclusion at Apache. Furthermore, most of the projects
> are maintained by core members, so it is odd to have discussions on
> separate lists, where even discussions may have consequences to the
> other project.
>
> I propose the following bold move:
>
> shut down the wicket-stuff lists in favor of the apache based lists.
+1
--
Jean-Baptiste Quenot
aka John Banana Qwerty
http://caraldi.com/jbq/