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[libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Hi All,
This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
[ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
[ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
[ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
This vote will close one week from today.
Gav...
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Roman Bogorodskiy <bo...@gmail.com>.
+1
Roman Bogorodskiy
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Alex Polvi <po...@cloudkick.com>.
+1
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Jed Smith <je...@jedsmith.org> wrote:
> +1
>
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co-founder, cloudkick.com
twitter.com/cloudkick
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Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Jed Smith <je...@jedsmith.org>.
+1
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Eric Woods <wo...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jerry,
Yes, I did run the build script. I also committed libcloud.html built within site-publish/projects just now.
Thanks,
Eric W.
On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Jerry Chen wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> Did you run ant/build.sh at the top-level to generate the html files as well?
>
> Cheers,
> Jerry
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Eric Woods wrote:
>
>> Gav, I updated the committer list with my information. I committed the change... hoping to see the site updated shortly.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eric W.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Gav... wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
>>>> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
>>>>> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
>>>>> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
>>>>> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
>>>>> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
>>>>> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
>>>>> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>>>>>
>>>>> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>>>>>
>>>>> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>>>>>
>>>>> This vote will close one week from today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gav...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
>>>> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
>>>> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>
>>> Well, let's bring those reasons here:
>>>
>>> Quote: "...
>>>
>>> [1]I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt here.
>>> Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least
>>> demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just
>>> leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me.
>>>
>>> [2] But even if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that the
>>> libcloud
>>> community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see not
>>> just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer
>>> nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there
>>> hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the
>>> graduation requirements are and why they've been met.
>>>
>>> [3]If for some reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not seeing
>>> much
>>> evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What do
>>> mentors/others think about this?
>>>
>>> ..."
>>>
>>> I've split them into 1,2,3 and address them here:
>>>
>>> [1] - Paul has already explained this to my satisfaction. A sandbox area is
>>> fine for
>>> the java impl. The project need not have took it at all but they did. Mainly
>>> one person
>>> works on this area currently and is happy with its progress. The whole of a
>>> projects
>>> code need not be in a state of release for it to graduate from the
>>> incubator. Accepting
>>> the code and granting committer status and an area for this to be developed
>>> shows
>>> that the community dealt with the situation just fine.
>>>
>>> [2] - One person doing the releases is fine for now. I know plenty of other
>>> podlings that
>>> graduated with only one RM - in some cases with only one release. I know
>>> plenty of
>>> Top Level Projects that have had the same RM for years. I am involved with
>>> one such project.
>>> Over time, other committers will learn to see and nominate prospective
>>> committers, again not
>>> a big deal IMHO and not something that other podlings have been delayed for.
>>> Commit diversity: http://www.ohloh.net/p/libcloud/contributors?page=1 shows
>>> 16 committers - yes
>>> Paul has done more than anyone else, but 316 out of 694 is less than half
>>> total commits. Again
>>> I can show you many many projects where one committer has more than double
>>> the next person, and
>>> especially when the project first starts out, that is just the way it is,
>>> nothing to worry
>>> about IMHO.
>>> I am going to agree with you with regard to graduation requirements to a
>>> point. It is up to the
>>> Mentors I feel to point out and help address these requirements if they are
>>> not being met. We
>>> have been mostly hands off Mentors - which is fine, but it does show that
>>> the project in the
>>> main has been moving along by itself.
>>>
>>> As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see that I
>>> would like addressed
>>> is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor please edit
>>> the document
>>> at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down your
>>> employer if your
>>> employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply write
>>> 'independent' beside
>>> your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done.
>>>
>>> [3] - I don't want to speculate or penalise a project for something that
>>> might or might not
>>> happen in the future and especially not knowing the state of the project or
>>> the knowledge
>>> of the other committers at that time should it happen. It would be wrong to
>>> hold a -1 to
>>> graduation based on this.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> So summary then Ant to your questions, I think overall I am satisfied with
>>> the project and its
>>> committers readiness to graduate. In places I think you are perhaps being a
>>> little too strict
>>> though I completely understand your reasonings. I guess I have a more
>>> liberal view of the
>>> incubator as a whole, and comparing libcloud with other projects that I know
>>> to have graduated
>>> or failed, I feel they are generally in good stead, if a little lazy on the
>>> paperwork.
>>>
>>> If I see that the http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html page
>>> gets updated correctly
>>> as I have asked before the deadline, then my +1 will be forthcoming.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gav...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...ant
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Jerry Chen <je...@apache.org>.
Hi Eric,
Did you run ant/build.sh at the top-level to generate the html files as well?
Cheers,
Jerry
On Dec 1, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Eric Woods wrote:
> Gav, I updated the committer list with my information. I committed the change... hoping to see the site updated shortly.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric W.
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Gav... wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
>>> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
>>>> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
>>>> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
>>>> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
>>>> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>>>>
>>>> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
>>>> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
>>>> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>>>>
>>>> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>>>>
>>>> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>>>>
>>>> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>>>>
>>>> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>>>>
>>>> This vote will close one week from today.
>>>>
>>>> Gav...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
>>> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
>>> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>
>> Well, let's bring those reasons here:
>>
>> Quote: "...
>>
>> [1]I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt here.
>> Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least
>> demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just
>> leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me.
>>
>> [2] But even if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that the
>> libcloud
>> community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see not
>> just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer
>> nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there
>> hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the
>> graduation requirements are and why they've been met.
>>
>> [3]If for some reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not seeing
>> much
>> evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What do
>> mentors/others think about this?
>>
>> ..."
>>
>> I've split them into 1,2,3 and address them here:
>>
>> [1] - Paul has already explained this to my satisfaction. A sandbox area is
>> fine for
>> the java impl. The project need not have took it at all but they did. Mainly
>> one person
>> works on this area currently and is happy with its progress. The whole of a
>> projects
>> code need not be in a state of release for it to graduate from the
>> incubator. Accepting
>> the code and granting committer status and an area for this to be developed
>> shows
>> that the community dealt with the situation just fine.
>>
>> [2] - One person doing the releases is fine for now. I know plenty of other
>> podlings that
>> graduated with only one RM - in some cases with only one release. I know
>> plenty of
>> Top Level Projects that have had the same RM for years. I am involved with
>> one such project.
>> Over time, other committers will learn to see and nominate prospective
>> committers, again not
>> a big deal IMHO and not something that other podlings have been delayed for.
>> Commit diversity: http://www.ohloh.net/p/libcloud/contributors?page=1 shows
>> 16 committers - yes
>> Paul has done more than anyone else, but 316 out of 694 is less than half
>> total commits. Again
>> I can show you many many projects where one committer has more than double
>> the next person, and
>> especially when the project first starts out, that is just the way it is,
>> nothing to worry
>> about IMHO.
>> I am going to agree with you with regard to graduation requirements to a
>> point. It is up to the
>> Mentors I feel to point out and help address these requirements if they are
>> not being met. We
>> have been mostly hands off Mentors - which is fine, but it does show that
>> the project in the
>> main has been moving along by itself.
>>
>> As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see that I
>> would like addressed
>> is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor please edit
>> the document
>> at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down your
>> employer if your
>> employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply write
>> 'independent' beside
>> your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done.
>>
>> [3] - I don't want to speculate or penalise a project for something that
>> might or might not
>> happen in the future and especially not knowing the state of the project or
>> the knowledge
>> of the other committers at that time should it happen. It would be wrong to
>> hold a -1 to
>> graduation based on this.
>>
>> --
>>
>> So summary then Ant to your questions, I think overall I am satisfied with
>> the project and its
>> committers readiness to graduate. In places I think you are perhaps being a
>> little too strict
>> though I completely understand your reasonings. I guess I have a more
>> liberal view of the
>> incubator as a whole, and comparing libcloud with other projects that I know
>> to have graduated
>> or failed, I feel they are generally in good stead, if a little lazy on the
>> paperwork.
>>
>> If I see that the http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html page
>> gets updated correctly
>> as I have asked before the deadline, then my +1 will be forthcoming.
>>
>>
>> Gav...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ...ant
>>
>>
>
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Roman Bogorodskiy <bo...@gmail.com>.
Gav... wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> this vote will close in a few hours.
>
> Still waiting for information to come in regarding affiliations of :
>
> Roman Bogorodskiy, Jeremiah Orem, Ivan Meredith.
>
> I note also that of those, Roman and Ivan do not seem to be subscribed
> to the private list. Someone should poke the to get both done today.
Yeah, I seem to have problem catching up with people online because of
time difference and me going to bed early last few days. :)
I think I should be listed as 'independent'.
Roman Bogorodskiy
RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
Hi All,
this vote will close in a few hours.
Still waiting for information to come in regarding affiliations of :
Roman Bogorodskiy, Jeremiah Orem, Ivan Meredith.
I note also that of those, Roman and Ivan do not seem to be subscribed
to the private list. Someone should poke the to get both done today.
Gav...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gav... [mailto:gavin@16degrees.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2010 7:34 AM
> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Woods [mailto:woodstae@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2010 5:08 AM
> > To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
> >
> > Gav, I updated the committer list with my information. I committed
> the
> > change... hoping to see the site updated shortly.
>
> Thanks Eric,
>
> One last thing to do was , log into people.apache.org and:
>
> [gmcdonald@minotaur:~]$ svn up /www/incubator.apache.org/
> U /www/incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html
> Updated to revision 1041178.
>
> So should appear in an hour or so.
>
> Gav...
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric W.
> >
> >
> > On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Gav... wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
> > >> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
> > wrote:
> > >>> Hi All,
> > >>>
> > >>> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> > >>> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> > >>> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> > >>> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> > >>> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> > >>> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> > >>> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
> > >>>
> > >>> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
> > >>>
> > >>> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
> > >>>
> > >>> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
> > >>>
> > >>> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
> > >>>
> > >>> This vote will close one week from today.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gav...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
> > >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> > >> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
> > >> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >
> > > Well, let's bring those reasons here:
> > >
> > > Quote: "...
> > >
> > > [1]I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt
> here.
> > > Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least
> > > demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just
> > > leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me.
> > >
> > > [2] But even if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling
> > that the
> > > libcloud
> > > community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see
> not
> > > just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer
> > > nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there
> > > hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the
> > > graduation requirements are and why they've been met.
> > >
> > > [3]If for some reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not
> > seeing
> > > much
> > > evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What
> > do
> > > mentors/others think about this?
> > >
> > > ..."
> > >
> > > I've split them into 1,2,3 and address them here:
> > >
> > > [1] - Paul has already explained this to my satisfaction. A sandbox
> > area is
> > > fine for
> > > the java impl. The project need not have took it at all but they
> did.
> > Mainly
> > > one person
> > > works on this area currently and is happy with its progress. The
> > whole of a
> > > projects
> > > code need not be in a state of release for it to graduate from the
> > > incubator. Accepting
> > > the code and granting committer status and an area for this to be
> > developed
> > > shows
> > > that the community dealt with the situation just fine.
> > >
> > > [2] - One person doing the releases is fine for now. I know plenty
> of
> > other
> > > podlings that
> > > graduated with only one RM - in some cases with only one release. I
> > know
> > > plenty of
> > > Top Level Projects that have had the same RM for years. I am
> involved
> > with
> > > one such project.
> > > Over time, other committers will learn to see and nominate
> > prospective
> > > committers, again not
> > > a big deal IMHO and not something that other podlings have been
> > delayed for.
> > > Commit diversity:
> http://www.ohloh.net/p/libcloud/contributors?page=1
> > shows
> > > 16 committers - yes
> > > Paul has done more than anyone else, but 316 out of 694 is less
> than
> > half
> > > total commits. Again
> > > I can show you many many projects where one committer has more than
> > double
> > > the next person, and
> > > especially when the project first starts out, that is just the way
> it
> > is,
> > > nothing to worry
> > > about IMHO.
> > > I am going to agree with you with regard to graduation requirements
> > to a
> > > point. It is up to the
> > > Mentors I feel to point out and help address these requirements if
> > they are
> > > not being met. We
> > > have been mostly hands off Mentors - which is fine, but it does
> show
> > that
> > > the project in the
> > > main has been moving along by itself.
> > >
> > > As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see
> > that I
> > > would like addressed
> > > is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor
> > please edit
> > > the document
> > > at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down
> > your
> > > employer if your
> > > employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply
> > write
> > > 'independent' beside
> > > your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done.
> > >
> > > [3] - I don't want to speculate or penalise a project for something
> > that
> > > might or might not
> > > happen in the future and especially not knowing the state of the
> > project or
> > > the knowledge
> > > of the other committers at that time should it happen. It would be
> > wrong to
> > > hold a -1 to
> > > graduation based on this.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > So summary then Ant to your questions, I think overall I am
> satisfied
> > with
> > > the project and its
> > > committers readiness to graduate. In places I think you are perhaps
> > being a
> > > little too strict
> > > though I completely understand your reasonings. I guess I have a
> more
> > > liberal view of the
> > > incubator as a whole, and comparing libcloud with other projects
> that
> > I know
> > > to have graduated
> > > or failed, I feel they are generally in good stead, if a little
> lazy
> > on the
> > > paperwork.
> > >
> > > If I see that the
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html
> > page
> > > gets updated correctly
> > > as I have asked before the deadline, then my +1 will be
> forthcoming.
> > >
> > >
> > > Gav...
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> ...ant
> > >
> > >
>
>
RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Woods [mailto:woodstae@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2010 5:08 AM
> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>
> Gav, I updated the committer list with my information. I committed the
> change... hoping to see the site updated shortly.
Thanks Eric,
One last thing to do was , log into people.apache.org and:
[gmcdonald@minotaur:~]$ svn up /www/incubator.apache.org/
U /www/incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html
Updated to revision 1041178.
So should appear in an hour or so.
Gav...
>
> Thanks,
> Eric W.
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Gav... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
> >> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
> wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> >>> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> >>> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> >>> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> >>> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
> >>>
> >>> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> >>> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> >>> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
> >>>
> >>> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
> >>>
> >>> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
> >>>
> >>> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
> >>>
> >>> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
> >>>
> >>> This vote will close one week from today.
> >>>
> >>> Gav...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> >> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
> >> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> > Well, let's bring those reasons here:
> >
> > Quote: "...
> >
> > [1]I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt here.
> > Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least
> > demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just
> > leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me.
> >
> > [2] But even if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling
> that the
> > libcloud
> > community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see not
> > just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer
> > nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there
> > hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the
> > graduation requirements are and why they've been met.
> >
> > [3]If for some reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not
> seeing
> > much
> > evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What
> do
> > mentors/others think about this?
> >
> > ..."
> >
> > I've split them into 1,2,3 and address them here:
> >
> > [1] - Paul has already explained this to my satisfaction. A sandbox
> area is
> > fine for
> > the java impl. The project need not have took it at all but they did.
> Mainly
> > one person
> > works on this area currently and is happy with its progress. The
> whole of a
> > projects
> > code need not be in a state of release for it to graduate from the
> > incubator. Accepting
> > the code and granting committer status and an area for this to be
> developed
> > shows
> > that the community dealt with the situation just fine.
> >
> > [2] - One person doing the releases is fine for now. I know plenty of
> other
> > podlings that
> > graduated with only one RM - in some cases with only one release. I
> know
> > plenty of
> > Top Level Projects that have had the same RM for years. I am involved
> with
> > one such project.
> > Over time, other committers will learn to see and nominate
> prospective
> > committers, again not
> > a big deal IMHO and not something that other podlings have been
> delayed for.
> > Commit diversity: http://www.ohloh.net/p/libcloud/contributors?page=1
> shows
> > 16 committers - yes
> > Paul has done more than anyone else, but 316 out of 694 is less than
> half
> > total commits. Again
> > I can show you many many projects where one committer has more than
> double
> > the next person, and
> > especially when the project first starts out, that is just the way it
> is,
> > nothing to worry
> > about IMHO.
> > I am going to agree with you with regard to graduation requirements
> to a
> > point. It is up to the
> > Mentors I feel to point out and help address these requirements if
> they are
> > not being met. We
> > have been mostly hands off Mentors - which is fine, but it does show
> that
> > the project in the
> > main has been moving along by itself.
> >
> > As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see
> that I
> > would like addressed
> > is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor
> please edit
> > the document
> > at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down
> your
> > employer if your
> > employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply
> write
> > 'independent' beside
> > your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done.
> >
> > [3] - I don't want to speculate or penalise a project for something
> that
> > might or might not
> > happen in the future and especially not knowing the state of the
> project or
> > the knowledge
> > of the other committers at that time should it happen. It would be
> wrong to
> > hold a -1 to
> > graduation based on this.
> >
> > --
> >
> > So summary then Ant to your questions, I think overall I am satisfied
> with
> > the project and its
> > committers readiness to graduate. In places I think you are perhaps
> being a
> > little too strict
> > though I completely understand your reasonings. I guess I have a more
> > liberal view of the
> > incubator as a whole, and comparing libcloud with other projects that
> I know
> > to have graduated
> > or failed, I feel they are generally in good stead, if a little lazy
> on the
> > paperwork.
> >
> > If I see that the http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html
> page
> > gets updated correctly
> > as I have asked before the deadline, then my +1 will be forthcoming.
> >
> >
> > Gav...
> >
> >
> >>
> >> ...ant
> >
> >
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Eric Woods <wo...@gmail.com>.
Gav, I updated the committer list with my information. I committed the change... hoping to see the site updated shortly.
Thanks,
Eric W.
On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Gav... wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
>> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
>>> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
>>> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
>>> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
>>> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>>>
>>> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
>>> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
>>> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>>>
>>> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>>>
>>> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>>>
>>> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>>>
>>> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>>>
>>> This vote will close one week from today.
>>>
>>> Gav...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
>> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
>> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> Well, let's bring those reasons here:
>
> Quote: "...
>
> [1]I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt here.
> Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least
> demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just
> leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me.
>
> [2] But even if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that the
> libcloud
> community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see not
> just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer
> nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there
> hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the
> graduation requirements are and why they've been met.
>
> [3]If for some reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not seeing
> much
> evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What do
> mentors/others think about this?
>
> ..."
>
> I've split them into 1,2,3 and address them here:
>
> [1] - Paul has already explained this to my satisfaction. A sandbox area is
> fine for
> the java impl. The project need not have took it at all but they did. Mainly
> one person
> works on this area currently and is happy with its progress. The whole of a
> projects
> code need not be in a state of release for it to graduate from the
> incubator. Accepting
> the code and granting committer status and an area for this to be developed
> shows
> that the community dealt with the situation just fine.
>
> [2] - One person doing the releases is fine for now. I know plenty of other
> podlings that
> graduated with only one RM - in some cases with only one release. I know
> plenty of
> Top Level Projects that have had the same RM for years. I am involved with
> one such project.
> Over time, other committers will learn to see and nominate prospective
> committers, again not
> a big deal IMHO and not something that other podlings have been delayed for.
> Commit diversity: http://www.ohloh.net/p/libcloud/contributors?page=1 shows
> 16 committers - yes
> Paul has done more than anyone else, but 316 out of 694 is less than half
> total commits. Again
> I can show you many many projects where one committer has more than double
> the next person, and
> especially when the project first starts out, that is just the way it is,
> nothing to worry
> about IMHO.
> I am going to agree with you with regard to graduation requirements to a
> point. It is up to the
> Mentors I feel to point out and help address these requirements if they are
> not being met. We
> have been mostly hands off Mentors - which is fine, but it does show that
> the project in the
> main has been moving along by itself.
>
> As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see that I
> would like addressed
> is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor please edit
> the document
> at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down your
> employer if your
> employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply write
> 'independent' beside
> your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done.
>
> [3] - I don't want to speculate or penalise a project for something that
> might or might not
> happen in the future and especially not knowing the state of the project or
> the knowledge
> of the other committers at that time should it happen. It would be wrong to
> hold a -1 to
> graduation based on this.
>
> --
>
> So summary then Ant to your questions, I think overall I am satisfied with
> the project and its
> committers readiness to graduate. In places I think you are perhaps being a
> little too strict
> though I completely understand your reasonings. I guess I have a more
> liberal view of the
> incubator as a whole, and comparing libcloud with other projects that I know
> to have graduated
> or failed, I feel they are generally in good stead, if a little lazy on the
> paperwork.
>
> If I see that the http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html page
> gets updated correctly
> as I have asked before the deadline, then my +1 will be forthcoming.
>
>
> Gav...
>
>
>>
>> ...ant
>
>
[libcloud] Community/Committers to address Mentors concerns (was:RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.)
Posted by "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
Ok, so although the recent vote passed, it seems clear that we should not
proceed to an Incubator PMC vote without the full backing and support of all
the projects Mentors.
Below, I list again the remaining concerns of Ant, and now it is up to the
community and committers to address them.
I will not go forward with an Incubator vote until this is done. It does not
look to be much that needs addressing.
Further down, I have left my earlier replies intact.
Gav...
Ants concerns:
[1] - I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt here.
Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least demonstrate
the community can deal with an awkward situation, just leaving it in the
sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me.
[2] But even if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that the
libcloud community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see
not just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer
nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there hasn't been
any real discussion that i've seen about what the graduation requirements
are and why they've been met.
[3]If for some reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not seeing
much evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What do
mentors/others think about this?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gav... [mailto:gavin@16degrees.com.au]
> Sent: Monday, 29 November 2010 9:34 AM
> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
> > To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
> wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> > > vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> > > ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> > > it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> > > we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
> > >
> > > Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> > > meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> > > leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
> > >
> > > [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
> > >
> > > [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
> > >
> > > [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
> > >
> > > Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
> > >
> > > This vote will close one week from today.
> > >
> > > Gav...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> > libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
> > RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> Well, let's bring those reasons here:
>
> Quote: "...
>
> [1]I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt here.
> Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least
> demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just
> leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me.
>
> [2] But even if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that
> the
> libcloud
> community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see not
> just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer
> nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there
> hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the
> graduation requirements are and why they've been met.
>
> [3]If for some reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not
> seeing
> much
> evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What do
> mentors/others think about this?
>
> ..."
>
> I've split them into 1,2,3 and address them here:
>
> [1] - Paul has already explained this to my satisfaction. A sandbox
> area is
> fine for
> the java impl. The project need not have took it at all but they did.
> Mainly
> one person
> works on this area currently and is happy with its progress. The whole
> of a
> projects
> code need not be in a state of release for it to graduate from the
> incubator. Accepting
> the code and granting committer status and an area for this to be
> developed
> shows
> that the community dealt with the situation just fine.
>
> [2] - One person doing the releases is fine for now. I know plenty of
> other
> podlings that
> graduated with only one RM - in some cases with only one release. I
> know
> plenty of
> Top Level Projects that have had the same RM for years. I am involved
> with
> one such project.
> Over time, other committers will learn to see and nominate prospective
> committers, again not
> a big deal IMHO and not something that other podlings have been delayed
> for.
> Commit diversity: http://www.ohloh.net/p/libcloud/contributors?page=1
> shows
> 16 committers - yes
> Paul has done more than anyone else, but 316 out of 694 is less than
> half
> total commits. Again
> I can show you many many projects where one committer has more than
> double
> the next person, and
> especially when the project first starts out, that is just the way it
> is,
> nothing to worry
> about IMHO.
> I am going to agree with you with regard to graduation requirements to
> a
> point. It is up to the
> Mentors I feel to point out and help address these requirements if they
> are
> not being met. We
> have been mostly hands off Mentors - which is fine, but it does show
> that
> the project in the
> main has been moving along by itself.
>
> As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see that
> I
> would like addressed
> is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor please
> edit
> the document
> at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down your
> employer if your
> employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply write
> 'independent' beside
> your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done.
>
> [3] - I don't want to speculate or penalise a project for something
> that
> might or might not
> happen in the future and especially not knowing the state of the
> project or
> the knowledge
> of the other committers at that time should it happen. It would be
> wrong to
> hold a -1 to
> graduation based on this.
>
> --
>
> So summary then Ant to your questions, I think overall I am satisfied
> with
> the project and its
> committers readiness to graduate. In places I think you are perhaps
> being a
> little too strict
> though I completely understand your reasonings. I guess I have a more
> liberal view of the
> incubator as a whole, and comparing libcloud with other projects that I
> know
> to have graduated
> or failed, I feel they are generally in good stead, if a little lazy on
> the
> paperwork.
>
> If I see that the http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html
> page
> gets updated correctly
> as I have asked before the deadline, then my +1 will be forthcoming.
>
>
> Gav...
>
>
> >
> > ...ant
>
RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Hogstrom [mailto:matt@hogstrom.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 November 2010 6:36 AM
> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> This is a little sticky in that I know of several projects where people
> work on a project as the project intersects with their day job and is a
> great fit. This does not imply that the person would not continue
> contributing if their work role changes. I know of several instances
> where this is the case. I can understand the goal of understanding
> diversity and full disclosure. If someone is working on this for their
> day job and would keep working on it if their day job changes should
> they still put independent? This would be a more technically accurate
> representation of their participation even if its part of their day job
> for now.
That is a good question. I don't know the answer. I would tend to put the
situation 'now' rather than what might or might not be in the future.
I am trying to fulfil a crucial part of the graduation criteria here - where
if one person/entity or one Company were to pack up and go would the project
still have a future and would it still be healthy.
For those not sure what is trying to be achieved here please read:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
The whole section on "Creating an Open and Diverse community"
Also note that this vote does not determine whether or not we graduate - it
shows community readiness that we are in agreement that it is time, the
Incubator
PMC will then have a vote to decide what happens, with the results of this
vote
taken into consideration.
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote
Gav...
>
> On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Gav... wrote:
>
> > As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see
> that I would like addressed
> > is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor
> please edit the document
> > at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down
> your employer if your
> > employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply
> write 'independent' beside
> > your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done.
>
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Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Matt Hogstrom <ma...@hogstrom.org>.
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This is a little sticky in that I know of several projects where people work on a project as the project intersects with their day job and is a great fit. This does not imply that the person would not continue contributing if their work role changes. I know of several instances where this is the case. I can understand the goal of understanding diversity and full disclosure. If someone is working on this for their day job and would keep working on it if their day job changes should they still put independent? This would be a more technically accurate representation of their participation even if its part of their day job for now.
On Nov 28, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Gav... wrote:
> As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see that I would like addressed
> is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor please edit the document
> at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down your employer if your
> employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply write 'independent' beside
> your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done.
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RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> > vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> > ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> > it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> > we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
> >
> > Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> > meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> > leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
> >
> > [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
> >
> > [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
> >
> > [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
> >
> > Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
> >
> > This vote will close one week from today.
> >
> > Gav...
> >
> >
> >
>
> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
Well, let's bring those reasons here:
Quote: "...
[1]I'm not sure I'm convinced there's nothing more to be learnt here.
Dealing with what to do with the Java impl would help at least
demonstrate the community can deal with an awkward situation, just
leaving it in the sandbox seems like a holding pattern to me.
[2] But even if thats not done i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that the
libcloud
community has learnt the Apache Way yet. It would be nice to see not
just the same one person doing all the releases, all the committer
nominations, most of the commits etc, even with graduation there
hasn't been any real discussion that i've seen about what the
graduation requirements are and why they've been met.
[3]If for some reason you were unable to continue here Paul i'm not seeing
much
evidence that the others would know all the ropes to continue. What do
mentors/others think about this?
..."
I've split them into 1,2,3 and address them here:
[1] - Paul has already explained this to my satisfaction. A sandbox area is
fine for
the java impl. The project need not have took it at all but they did. Mainly
one person
works on this area currently and is happy with its progress. The whole of a
projects
code need not be in a state of release for it to graduate from the
incubator. Accepting
the code and granting committer status and an area for this to be developed
shows
that the community dealt with the situation just fine.
[2] - One person doing the releases is fine for now. I know plenty of other
podlings that
graduated with only one RM - in some cases with only one release. I know
plenty of
Top Level Projects that have had the same RM for years. I am involved with
one such project.
Over time, other committers will learn to see and nominate prospective
committers, again not
a big deal IMHO and not something that other podlings have been delayed for.
Commit diversity: http://www.ohloh.net/p/libcloud/contributors?page=1 shows
16 committers - yes
Paul has done more than anyone else, but 316 out of 694 is less than half
total commits. Again
I can show you many many projects where one committer has more than double
the next person, and
especially when the project first starts out, that is just the way it is,
nothing to worry
about IMHO.
I am going to agree with you with regard to graduation requirements to a
point. It is up to the
Mentors I feel to point out and help address these requirements if they are
not being met. We
have been mostly hands off Mentors - which is fine, but it does show that
the project in the
main has been moving along by itself.
As both you and I have mentioned before, the only thing I can see that I
would like addressed
is the question of diversity - would someone who is not a mentor please edit
the document
at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html and put down your
employer if your
employer is paying you to work on this project, otherwise simply write
'independent' beside
your name. I will hold back my vote until this is done.
[3] - I don't want to speculate or penalise a project for something that
might or might not
happen in the future and especially not knowing the state of the project or
the knowledge
of the other committers at that time should it happen. It would be wrong to
hold a -1 to
graduation based on this.
--
So summary then Ant to your questions, I think overall I am satisfied with
the project and its
committers readiness to graduate. In places I think you are perhaps being a
little too strict
though I completely understand your reasonings. I guess I have a more
liberal view of the
incubator as a whole, and comparing libcloud with other projects that I know
to have graduated
or failed, I feel they are generally in good stead, if a little lazy on the
paperwork.
If I see that the http://incubator.apache.org/projects/libcloud.html page
gets updated correctly
as I have asked before the deadline, then my +1 will be forthcoming.
Gav...
>
> ...ant
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Jerry Chen <je...@apache.org>.
On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:51 PM, ant elder wrote:
> No i'm still -1. As i said i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that the
> community has learnt all the Apache Way yet and that I'd like to see
> others besides Paul (and you) doing more.
>
> ...ant
Are there good resources for release management, voting procedures, and other tasks Paul has championed, or is it all learn by example?
Thanks,
Jerry
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Ant, I have replied in detail to your concerns.
>>
>> The vote will close shortly, are you going to withdraw your -1 ?
>>
>>
>> Gav...
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
>>> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
>>>> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
>>>> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
>>>> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
>>>> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>>>>
>>>> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
>>>> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
>>>> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>>>>
>>>> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>>>>
>>>> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>>>>
>>>> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>>>>
>>>> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>>>>
>>>> This vote will close one week from today.
>>>>
>>>> Gav...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
>>> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
>>> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>
>>> ...ant
>>
>>
>>
RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ant.elder@gmail.com [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com] On Behalf Of ant
> elder
> Sent: Friday, 3 December 2010 6:51 AM
> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>
> No i'm still -1. As i said i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that the
> community has learnt all the Apache Way yet and that I'd like to see
> others besides Paul (and you) doing more.
Ok, fair enough, as a procedural vote, majority consensus is in play
here so it looks like the vote will pass anyway.
It will then be up to the Incubator PMC to decide.
(so I'll see you there too I guess)
Gav...
>
> ...ant
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Ant, I have replied in detail to your concerns.
> >
> > The vote will close shortly, are you going to withdraw your -1 ?
> >
> >
> > Gav...
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
> >> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
> wrote:
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> >> > vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> >> > ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> >> > it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> >> > we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
> >> >
> >> > Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> >> > meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> >> > leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
> >> >
> >> > [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
> >> >
> >> > [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
> >> >
> >> > [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
> >> >
> >> > Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
> >> >
> >> > This vote will close one week from today.
> >> >
> >> > Gav...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> >> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
> >> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>
> >> ...ant
> >
> >
> >
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by ant elder <an...@apache.org>.
No i'm still -1. As i said i don't get the warm fuzzy feeling that the
community has learnt all the Apache Way yet and that I'd like to see
others besides Paul (and you) doing more.
...ant
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
>
> Ant, I have replied in detail to your concerns.
>
> The vote will close shortly, are you going to withdraw your -1 ?
>
>
> Gav...
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
>> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
>> > vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
>> > ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
>> > it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
>> > we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>> >
>> > Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
>> > meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
>> > leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>> >
>> > [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>> >
>> > [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>> >
>> > [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>> >
>> > Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>> >
>> > This vote will close one week from today.
>> >
>> > Gav...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
>> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
>> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
>>
>> ...ant
>
>
>
RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
Ant, I have replied in detail to your concerns.
The vote will close shortly, are you going to withdraw your -1 ?
Gav...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ant elder [mailto:ant.elder@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2010 7:31 PM
> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> > vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> > ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> > it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> > we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
> >
> > Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> > meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> > leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
> >
> > [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
> >
> > [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
> >
> > [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
> >
> > Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
> >
> > This vote will close one week from today.
> >
> > Gav...
> >
> >
> >
>
> I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-
> RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> ...ant
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>
> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>
> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>
> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>
> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>
> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>
> This vote will close one week from today.
>
> Gav...
>
>
>
I'm -1 for the reasons described at:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-libcloud/201011.mbox/%3CAANLkTim8ViOH3-D9TVbpUbgySTjWXns-RRv_4iSELw06@mail.gmail.com%3E
...ant
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Paul Querna <pa...@querna.org>.
+1
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>
> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>
> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>
> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>
> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>
> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>
> This vote will close one week from today.
>
> Gav...
>
>
>
RE: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gav... [mailto:gavin@16degrees.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, 26 November 2010 3:08 AM
> To: libcloud@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
>
> Hi All,
>
> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>
> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>
> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
+1 from me.
My only real concern of a varied committer base has been answered.
Gav...
>
> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>
> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>
> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>
> This vote will close one week from today.
>
> Gav...
>
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Dan Di Spaltro <da...@cloudkick.com>.
+1
-Dan
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Eric Woods <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1. Thanks for initiating this.
>
> On Nov 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Gav... wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> > vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> > ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> > it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> > we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
> >
> > Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> > meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> > leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
> >
> > [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
> >
> > [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
> >
> > [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
> >
> > Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
> >
> > This vote will close one week from today.
> >
> > Gav...
> >
> >
>
>
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Jerry Chen <je...@apache.org>.
+1
On Nov 25, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Tom Davis wrote:
> +1 Thanks Gav...
>
> On Nov 25, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Eric Woods <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1. Thanks for initiating this.
>>
>> On Nov 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Gav... wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
>>> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
>>> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
>>> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
>>> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>>>
>>> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
>>> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
>>> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>>>
>>> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>>>
>>> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>>>
>>> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>>>
>>> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>>>
>>> This vote will close one week from today.
>>>
>>> Gav...
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Tom Davis <to...@dislocatedday.com>.
+1 Thanks Gav...
On Nov 25, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Eric Woods <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1. Thanks for initiating this.
>
> On Nov 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Gav... wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
>> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
>> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
>> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
>> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>>
>> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
>> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
>> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>>
>> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>>
>> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>>
>> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>>
>> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>>
>> This vote will close one week from today.
>>
>> Gav...
>>
>>
>
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Eric Woods <wo...@gmail.com>.
+1. Thanks for initiating this.
On Nov 25, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Gav... wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>
> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>
> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>
> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>
> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>
> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>
> This vote will close one week from today.
>
> Gav...
>
>
Re: [libcloud] [VOTE] - Libcloud to become a TLP.
Posted by Sengor <se...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This is a chance for the libcloud community and committers to
> vote on whether or not you think we are ready to become an
> ASF top level project. In other words, the community thinks
> it has learned all it can from the Incubator, and that we feel
> we are following the guidelines learned along the way.
>
> Please vote now, we have plenty of time until the next board
> meeting is due in which a resolution would be required, so we'll
> leave this open for 1 week to gather as many votes as possible.
>
> [ ] - +1 - yes please, we are ready to become a TLP.
>
> [ ] - -/+0 - Not that opinionated either way.
>
> [ ] - -1 - no , I don't think we are ready , because ...
>
> Note any -1 must be accompanied by a detailed explanation.
>
> This vote will close one week from today.
>
> Gav...
>
>
>
--
sengork