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Posted to users@tomcat.apache.org by Edd Dawson <Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk> on 2005/01/12 16:12:15 UTC
Tomcat monitoring scripts
Hi
Does anyone know of the location of any scripts (for Linux) that will
monitor tomcat every x minutes and if it finds it not running will
restart it automatically?
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
thanks
Edd
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Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
Posted by Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com>.
how about these
http://www.kernel.org/software/mon/
http://www.eveandersson.com/arsdigita/free-tools/keepalive.html
hope one of them helps.
peter
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:47:37 +0000, Edd Dawson
<Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk> wrote:
> My googling skills are letting me down today.. i haven't managed to find
> any examples online (and i've been trying most of the day!)
>
> Peter Lin wrote:
>
> >most people use Perl or shell scripts to do that. There's plenty of
> >scripts on the net for doing that by the process id. sorry, I don't
> >have any links handy. google is your friend.
> >
> >peter
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
Posted by Edd Dawson <Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk>.
My googling skills are letting me down today.. i haven't managed to find
any examples online (and i've been trying most of the day!)
Peter Lin wrote:
>most people use Perl or shell scripts to do that. There's plenty of
>scripts on the net for doing that by the process id. sorry, I don't
>have any links handy. google is your friend.
>
>peter
>
>
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Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
Posted by Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com>.
most people use Perl or shell scripts to do that. There's plenty of
scripts on the net for doing that by the process id. sorry, I don't
have any links handy. google is your friend.
peter
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:20:53 +0000, Edd Dawson
<Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm looking more for something that sits on the actual servers and
> probes at set intervals and takes remedial action if necessary.. i just
> wondered if anyone had documented doing such a thing before.
>
> Peter Lin wrote:
>
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RE: Tomcat monitoring scripts
Posted by Rajaneesh <ra...@slk-soft.com>.
Another simple way is to have start a tomcat once in 2 min using a shell
script. If tomcat instance is already
running then the ports are in use which prevents the another tomcat instance
running.
But in this case If the tomcat hangs and the port is in use by other
application, there is no means to restart it
and monitoring of tomcat is not attached here.
Regards
Rajaneesh
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:50:54 +0000, Didier McGillis
<co...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> btw the script I would use as a starting point, it doesnt work quite right
> on my system but I was looking for a starting point.
>
> >From: "Didier McGillis" <co...@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >To: edd.dawson@choosemcs.co.uk, tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
> >Subject: Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
> >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:22:52 +0000
> >
> >Ch-Check this out.
> >Shell script
> >http://www.wespoke.com/archives/000728.php
> >
> >>From: Edd Dawson <Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk>
> >>Reply-To: edd.dawson@choosemcs.co.uk
> >>To: Tomcat Users List <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >>Subject: Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
> >>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:20:53 +0000
> >>
> >>I'm looking more for something that sits on the actual servers and
probes
> >>at set intervals and takes remedial action if necessary.. i just
wondered
> >>if anyone had documented doing such a thing before.
> >>
> >>Peter Lin wrote:
> >>
> >>>JMeter has a monitor for tomcat 5.0.19 and newer. It doesn't work with
> >>>tomcat4 or older. in terms of restarting, you're probably going to
> >>>have to write a shell script to do that. Typically, on unix a cron job
> >>>is used.
> >>>
> >>>peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:12:15 +0000, Edd Dawson
> >>><Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi
> >>>>
> >>>>Does anyone know of the location of any scripts (for Linux) that will
> >>>>monitor tomcat every x minutes and if it finds it not running will
> >>>>restart it automatically?
> >>>>
> >>>>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>>thanks
> >>>>Edd
> >>>>
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Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
Posted by Didier McGillis <co...@hotmail.com>.
I have this running on my dev, and so far i have not had any issues with it.
>From: Faisal Abdullah <ap...@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Faisal Abdullah <ap...@gmail.com>
>To: Tomcat Users List <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>Subject: Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:59:03 +0800
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>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:50:54 +0000, Didier McGillis
><co...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > btw the script I would use as a starting point, it doesnt work quite
>right
> > on my system but I was looking for a starting point.
> >
> > >From: "Didier McGillis" <co...@hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >To: edd.dawson@choosemcs.co.uk, tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
> > >Subject: Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:22:52 +0000
> > >
> > >Ch-Check this out.
> > >Shell script
> > >http://www.wespoke.com/archives/000728.php
> > >
> > >>From: Edd Dawson <Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk>
> > >>Reply-To: edd.dawson@choosemcs.co.uk
> > >>To: Tomcat Users List <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >>Subject: Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
> > >>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:20:53 +0000
> > >>
> > >>I'm looking more for something that sits on the actual servers and
>probes
> > >>at set intervals and takes remedial action if necessary.. i just
>wondered
> > >>if anyone had documented doing such a thing before.
> > >>
> > >>Peter Lin wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>JMeter has a monitor for tomcat 5.0.19 and newer. It doesn't work
>with
> > >>>tomcat4 or older. in terms of restarting, you're probably going to
> > >>>have to write a shell script to do that. Typically, on unix a cron
>job
> > >>>is used.
> > >>>
> > >>>peter
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:12:15 +0000, Edd Dawson
> > >>><Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Hi
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Does anyone know of the location of any scripts (for Linux) that
>will
> > >>>>monitor tomcat every x minutes and if it finds it not running will
> > >>>>restart it automatically?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>thanks
> > >>>>Edd
> > >>>>
> >
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> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>Head of Development
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> > >>MitchellConnerSearson
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Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
Posted by Faisal Abdullah <ap...@gmail.com>.
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:50:54 +0000, Didier McGillis
<co...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> btw the script I would use as a starting point, it doesnt work quite right
> on my system but I was looking for a starting point.
>
> >From: "Didier McGillis" <co...@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >To: edd.dawson@choosemcs.co.uk, tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
> >Subject: Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
> >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:22:52 +0000
> >
> >Ch-Check this out.
> >Shell script
> >http://www.wespoke.com/archives/000728.php
> >
> >>From: Edd Dawson <Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk>
> >>Reply-To: edd.dawson@choosemcs.co.uk
> >>To: Tomcat Users List <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >>Subject: Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
> >>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:20:53 +0000
> >>
> >>I'm looking more for something that sits on the actual servers and probes
> >>at set intervals and takes remedial action if necessary.. i just wondered
> >>if anyone had documented doing such a thing before.
> >>
> >>Peter Lin wrote:
> >>
> >>>JMeter has a monitor for tomcat 5.0.19 and newer. It doesn't work with
> >>>tomcat4 or older. in terms of restarting, you're probably going to
> >>>have to write a shell script to do that. Typically, on unix a cron job
> >>>is used.
> >>>
> >>>peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:12:15 +0000, Edd Dawson
> >>><Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi
> >>>>
> >>>>Does anyone know of the location of any scripts (for Linux) that will
> >>>>monitor tomcat every x minutes and if it finds it not running will
> >>>>restart it automatically?
> >>>>
> >>>>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>>thanks
> >>>>Edd
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>Head of Development
> >>
> >>MitchellConnerSearson
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Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
Posted by Didier McGillis <co...@hotmail.com>.
btw the script I would use as a starting point, it doesnt work quite right
on my system but I was looking for a starting point.
>From: "Didier McGillis" <co...@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>To: edd.dawson@choosemcs.co.uk, tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:22:52 +0000
>
>Ch-Check this out.
>Shell script
>http://www.wespoke.com/archives/000728.php
>
>>From: Edd Dawson <Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk>
>>Reply-To: edd.dawson@choosemcs.co.uk
>>To: Tomcat Users List <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>Subject: Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
>>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:20:53 +0000
>>
>>I'm looking more for something that sits on the actual servers and probes
>>at set intervals and takes remedial action if necessary.. i just wondered
>>if anyone had documented doing such a thing before.
>>
>>Peter Lin wrote:
>>
>>>JMeter has a monitor for tomcat 5.0.19 and newer. It doesn't work with
>>>tomcat4 or older. in terms of restarting, you're probably going to
>>>have to write a shell script to do that. Typically, on unix a cron job
>>>is used.
>>>
>>>peter
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:12:15 +0000, Edd Dawson
>>><Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone know of the location of any scripts (for Linux) that will
>>>>monitor tomcat every x minutes and if it finds it not running will
>>>>restart it automatically?
>>>>
>>>>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>thanks
>>>>Edd
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>Head of Development
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Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
Posted by Didier McGillis <co...@hotmail.com>.
Ch-Check this out.
Shell script
http://www.wespoke.com/archives/000728.php
>From: Edd Dawson <Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk>
>Reply-To: edd.dawson@choosemcs.co.uk
>To: Tomcat Users List <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>Subject: Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:20:53 +0000
>
>I'm looking more for something that sits on the actual servers and probes
>at set intervals and takes remedial action if necessary.. i just wondered
>if anyone had documented doing such a thing before.
>
>Peter Lin wrote:
>
>>JMeter has a monitor for tomcat 5.0.19 and newer. It doesn't work with
>>tomcat4 or older. in terms of restarting, you're probably going to
>>have to write a shell script to do that. Typically, on unix a cron job
>>is used.
>>
>>peter
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:12:15 +0000, Edd Dawson
>><Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>Does anyone know of the location of any scripts (for Linux) that will
>>>monitor tomcat every x minutes and if it finds it not running will
>>>restart it automatically?
>>>
>>>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>Edd
>>>
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Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
Posted by Edd Dawson <Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk>.
I'm looking more for something that sits on the actual servers and
probes at set intervals and takes remedial action if necessary.. i just
wondered if anyone had documented doing such a thing before.
Peter Lin wrote:
>JMeter has a monitor for tomcat 5.0.19 and newer. It doesn't work with
>tomcat4 or older. in terms of restarting, you're probably going to
>have to write a shell script to do that. Typically, on unix a cron job
>is used.
>
>peter
>
>
>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:12:15 +0000, Edd Dawson
><Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi
>>
>>Does anyone know of the location of any scripts (for Linux) that will
>>monitor tomcat every x minutes and if it finds it not running will
>>restart it automatically?
>>
>>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>thanks
>>Edd
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Re: Tomcat monitoring scripts
Posted by Peter Lin <wo...@gmail.com>.
JMeter has a monitor for tomcat 5.0.19 and newer. It doesn't work with
tomcat4 or older. in terms of restarting, you're probably going to
have to write a shell script to do that. Typically, on unix a cron job
is used.
peter
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:12:15 +0000, Edd Dawson
<Ed...@choosemcs.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know of the location of any scripts (for Linux) that will
> monitor tomcat every x minutes and if it finds it not running will
> restart it automatically?
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> thanks
> Edd
>
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