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Having a font which is not embedded in the PDF
Hi,
I want to create a PDF but the fonts should not be embedded to the PDF. When
I open the PDF it should take the font from my default OS fonts folder (e.g.
C:\Winnt\Fonts). With the attached userconfig.xml and the font metric
(arial.xml), I'm able to create a PDF with the Arial font, but this is
always embedded in to the created PDF. How can I created a PDF so that the
font is not embedded in to PDF and it will take the font from the OS fonts
folder? (assuming that the fonts are installed in the machine)
Please help,
Thank you,
Regards,
Chanaka
Re: Having a font which is not embedded in the PDF
Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
On Nov 10, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> "Ask Jeremias" Good name for a company. :-)
http://www.askjeremias.com/ heh! nice!
> Anyway, as far as I can tell you can omit the embed-file for Type1
> fonts
> if the name under which the font is registered matches a font that is
> registered in your operating system's font subsystem. For TrueType this
> doesn't work because currently FOP does something wrong with the
> (multibyte) character encodings. It may work if you're using an 8 bit
> encoding though I haven't tested. This encoding problem is fixed in
> Foray where omitting "embed-file" might work, though I haven't tested
> either.
>
> I've used non-embedded Type1 fonts so the PDF/PS file sizes stay small
> for high-volume processing. The fonts were installed directly in the
> printer's RIPs.
What I'm looking is a place to update the docs ;-) I'll wait a bit
before I do.
> On 10.11.2004 00:39:53 J.Pietschmann wrote:
>> Clay Leeds wrote:
>>> Thank you for the info, Joerg. So, what does this look like? Is it
>>> something like this:
>>>
>>> Font declaration *with* embedding:
>>> <font RENAME_FILE_TO_USE_metrics-file="FTL_____.xml"
>>> RENAME_FILE_TO_USE_kerning="yes"
>>> embed-file="C:\myfonts\FTL_____.pfb">
>>> <font-triplet name="FrutigerLight" style="normal" weight="normal"/>
>>> </font>
>>>
>>> Font declaration *without* embedding:
>>> <font RENAME_FILE_TO_USE_metrics-file="FTL_____.xml"
>>> RENAME_FILE_TO_USE_kerning="yes">
>>> <font-triplet name="FrutigerLight" style="normal" weight="normal"/>
>>> </font>
>>>
>>> Is that correct?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> It would be good to add this information to the FOP Fonts page. This
>>> additional Adobe Acrobat/Reader information would be good to add to
>>> either a "NOTE" or a "WARNING" breakout box. I'll see what I can do.
>>
>> The info about the Adobe Type Manager is from someone else.
>> Ask Jeremias, or search the list archive. I never got PDF
>> with user fonts which were not embedded working. Other PDF
>> tools can do this (i.e. put some info about the font into
>> the PDF which causes Acrobat Reader to ask the OS for fonts).
>
>
>
> Jeremias Maerki
>
>
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Re: Having a font which is not embedded in the PDF
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
"Ask Jeremias" Good name for a company. :-)
Anyway, as far as I can tell you can omit the embed-file for Type1 fonts
if the name under which the font is registered matches a font that is
registered in your operating system's font subsystem. For TrueType this
doesn't work because currently FOP does something wrong with the
(multibyte) character encodings. It may work if you're using an 8 bit
encoding though I haven't tested. This encoding problem is fixed in
Foray where omitting "embed-file" might work, though I haven't tested
either.
I've used non-embedded Type1 fonts so the PDF/PS file sizes stay small
for high-volume processing. The fonts were installed directly in the
printer's RIPs.
On 10.11.2004 00:39:53 J.Pietschmann wrote:
> Clay Leeds wrote:
> > Thank you for the info, Joerg. So, what does this look like? Is it
> > something like this:
> >
> > Font declaration *with* embedding:
> > <font metrics-file="FTL_____.xml" kerning="yes"
> > embed-file="C:\myfonts\FTL_____.pfb">
> > <font-triplet name="FrutigerLight" style="normal" weight="normal"/>
> > </font>
> >
> > Font declaration *without* embedding:
> > <font metrics-file="FTL_____.xml" kerning="yes">
> > <font-triplet name="FrutigerLight" style="normal" weight="normal"/>
> > </font>
> >
> > Is that correct?
>
> Yes.
>
> > It would be good to add this information to the FOP Fonts page. This
> > additional Adobe Acrobat/Reader information would be good to add to
> > either a "NOTE" or a "WARNING" breakout box. I'll see what I can do.
>
> The info about the Adobe Type Manager is from someone else.
> Ask Jeremias, or search the list archive. I never got PDF
> with user fonts which were not embedded working. Other PDF
> tools can do this (i.e. put some info about the font into
> the PDF which causes Acrobat Reader to ask the OS for fonts).
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: Having a font which is not embedded in the PDF
Posted by "J.Pietschmann" <j3...@yahoo.de>.
Clay Leeds wrote:
> Thank you for the info, Joerg. So, what does this look like? Is it
> something like this:
>
> Font declaration *with* embedding:
> <font metrics-file="FTL_____.xml" kerning="yes"
> embed-file="C:\myfonts\FTL_____.pfb">
> <font-triplet name="FrutigerLight" style="normal" weight="normal"/>
> </font>
>
> Font declaration *without* embedding:
> <font metrics-file="FTL_____.xml" kerning="yes">
> <font-triplet name="FrutigerLight" style="normal" weight="normal"/>
> </font>
>
> Is that correct?
Yes.
> It would be good to add this information to the FOP Fonts page. This
> additional Adobe Acrobat/Reader information would be good to add to
> either a "NOTE" or a "WARNING" breakout box. I'll see what I can do.
The info about the Adobe Type Manager is from someone else.
Ask Jeremias, or search the list archive. I never got PDF
with user fonts which were not embedded working. Other PDF
tools can do this (i.e. put some info about the font into
the PDF which causes Acrobat Reader to ask the OS for fonts).
J.Pietschmann
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Re: Having a font which is not embedded in the PDF
Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
On Nov 6, 2004, at 12:41 PM, J.Pietschmann wrote:
> Clay Leeds wrote:
>> Have you tried creating the PDF file without using userconfig.xml &
>> font metrics files? Perhaps that will just work?
>
> Not embedding the font is achieved just by omitting the embed-file
> attribute in the font declaration. FOP still needs the font
> declarations in a userconfiguration file and the font metrics files,
> because the character widths therein are the base for line layout.
Thank you for the info, Joerg. So, what does this look like? Is it
something like this:
Font declaration *with* embedding:
<font metrics-file="FTL_____.xml" kerning="yes"
embed-file="C:\myfonts\FTL_____.pfb">
<font-triplet name="FrutigerLight" style="normal" weight="normal"/>
</font>
Font declaration *without* embedding:
<font metrics-file="FTL_____.xml" kerning="yes">
<font-triplet name="FrutigerLight" style="normal" weight="normal"/>
</font>
Is that correct?
> Unfortunately, PDF with user specified fonts which haven't been
> embedded wont work in Acrobat Reader, unless Acrobat Font Manager
> is running and the font is registered there. In particular, Acrobat
> Reader wont look for fonts in the Windows font directory for FOP
> generated PDF files. I suspect thiss is also true for most other
> PDF tools.
>
> Summary: if you don't embed user fonts, you should know what you
> are doing.
>
> J.Pietschmann
It would be good to add this information to the FOP Fonts page. This
additional Adobe Acrobat/Reader information would be good to add to
either a "NOTE" or a "WARNING" breakout box. I'll see what I can do.
Web Maestro Clay
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Re: Having a font which is not embedded in the PDF
Posted by "J.Pietschmann" <j3...@yahoo.de>.
Clay Leeds wrote:
> Have you tried creating the PDF file without using userconfig.xml & font
> metrics files? Perhaps that will just work?
Not embedding the font is achieved just by omitting the embed-file
attribute in the font declaration. FOP still needs the font
declarations in a userconfiguration file and the font metrics files,
because the character widths therein are the base for line layout.
Unfortunately, PDF with user specified fonts which haven't been
embedded wont work in Acrobat Reader, unless Acrobat Font Manager
is running and the font is registered there. In particular, Acrobat
Reader wont look for fonts in the Windows font directory for FOP
generated PDF files. I suspect thiss is also true for most other
PDF tools.
Summary: if you don't embed user fonts, you should know what you
are doing.
J.Pietschmann
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Re: Having a font which is not embedded in the PDF
Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
On Nov 5, 2004, at 3:27 AM, Chanaka Amarasekara wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to create a PDF but the fonts should not be embedded to the
> PDF. When
> I open the PDF it should take the font from my default OS fonts folder
> (e.g.
> C:\Winnt\Fonts). With the attached userconfig.xml and the font metric
> (arial.xml), I'm able to create a PDF with the Arial font, but this is
> always embedded in to the created PDF. How can I created a PDF so that
> the
> font is not embedded in to PDF and it will take the font from the OS
> fonts
> folder? (assuming that the fonts are installed in the machine)
Have you tried creating the PDF file without using userconfig.xml &
font metrics files? Perhaps that will just work?
If you must use a font different from Base-14 Fonts[1], it may be
necessary to embed the font to ensure the integrity of page displayed
is maintained. The Base-14 Fonts[1] defined in the Adobe PDF Spec are:
Helvetica (normal, bold, italic, bold italic), Times (normal, bold,
italic, bold italic), Courier (normal, bold, italic, bold italic),
Symbol and ZapfDingbats
[1]
http://xml.apache.org/fop/fonts.html#Base-14+Fonts
Web Maestro Clay
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