Re: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There

[Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>]

Hi All,

I had a reply from the VP of ASF Brand Mgt regarding the podling name
search, stating:

Nope, PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79 is approved, so all set from the naming
perspective, no action needed.


This will put the action mentioned earlier in this thread to rest.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

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On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Atri, all,
>
> *Re: podling name search*
> That sub-process was initiated and concluded successfully back when we
> started the incubation process (see [1]). However, given the time passed
> since then your suggestion is a good one. I will reach out to Apache Brand
> Management, and find out whether we should redo the search. I will post
> results of that discussion here (in this ml).
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> 1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pierre,
>>
>> Thanks for your response.
>>
>> My response inline:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Few of my comments:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Growth of the community. I see that Trafodion has added few
>> >> committers and PPMC members (which is great). However, I would like to
>> >> understand the number of active contributors who are currently
>> >> contributing rather than a specific set of people who are committers
>> >> and make up the major portion of contributions to the project.
>> >>
>> >
>> > You can research the various public mailing lists of the project in:
>> > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@trafodion.apache.org
>> >
>>
>>  AS> Cool, looks good to me.
>> >>
>> >> 2) Releases -- Trafodion's last release has had quite some distance
>> >> from the release previous to it. Is there any specific reason for
>> >> that?
>> >>
>> >>
>> > This is a volunteer driven open source project, and the project can not
>> > dictate where and where contributions will happen. Given that premise,
>> no
>> > schedule is available. Nor has anyone - as far as I can tell - ever
>> > requested such a fulfilment as a piece of work of the project.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>  AS> I understand that. However, a continous release cycle points
>> towards a continous onslaught of tangible improvements to the project
>> as well as an ongoing interest in the project. That is a good
>> indicator that the project has been able to establish a foundation of
>> a stable community which can drive the project forard.
>>
>> >> 3) Homogeneous community -- Since Trafodion has a major investment
>> >> from a specific company, do we have PPMC members and committers mostly
>> >> from that company, or do we have heterogeneous community?
>> >>
>> >> Yes. See
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
>> > The diversity aspect is currently also part of the earlier mentioned
>> > discussion taking place in the private ML of the project.
>> >
>>  AS> That is one thing that we should definitely look into since it
>> will definitely come up in the TLP discussion on Incubator PMC.
>>
>>
>> >> 4) Mailing lists -- I have been on the emailing list for less than 48
>> >> hours, so please forgive my short sighted opinion, but I do not see
>> >> much dev activity happening on the list. Is that a regular practise or
>> >> something that we need to fix?
>> >>
>> >
>> > We (I) do (forgive you. :)
>> > At the moment, we (the PPMC) don't see anything happening on our public
>> > mailing lists that needs fixing. Of course, we all can have personal
>> > viewpoints about what needs to be happening there as well as about how
>> > frequents postings happen (and some may even argue by whom), but like I
>> > said earlier the project can not dictate contributions. Each of our
>> > contributors chips in when and where possible.
>> >
>>
>> AS> If this is not a concern, I am fine with that. Apologies for the
>> nitpicking :)
>>
>> If no other concerns are raised, I do not see any outstanding reason
>> as to why we cannot proceed with a TLP resolution. I suggest that we
>> start a podling Namesearch and get the trademark issues out of the way
>> (if any, I could not figure that out from the Podling page) and draft
>> a TLP resolution.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Atri
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Atri
>> l'apprenant
>>
>
>

RE: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There

[Dave Birdsall <da...@esgyn.com>]

Thank you, Pierre.

-----Original Message-----
From: Atri Sharma [mailto:atri.jiit@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:27 AM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There

+1



On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I had a reply from the VP of ASF Brand Mgt regarding the podling name 
> search, stating:
>
> Nope, PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79 is approved, so all set from the naming 
> perspective, no action needed.
>
>
> This will put the action mentioned earlier in this thread to rest.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1 http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> 1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Atri, all,
>>
>> *Re: podling name search*
>> That sub-process was initiated and concluded successfully back when 
>> we started the incubation process (see [1]). However, given the time 
>> passed since then your suggestion is a good one. I will reach out to 
>> Apache Brand Management, and find out whether we should redo the 
>> search. I will post results of that discussion here (in this ml).
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1 http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>> 1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your response.
>>>
>>> My response inline:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >> Few of my comments:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) Growth of the community. I see that Trafodion has added few 
>>> >> committers and PPMC members (which is great). However, I would 
>>> >> like to understand the number of active contributors who are 
>>> >> currently contributing rather than a specific set of people who 
>>> >> are committers and make up the major portion of contributions to the project.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > You can research the various public mailing lists of the project in:
>>> > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@trafodion.apache.org
>>> >
>>>
>>>  AS> Cool, looks good to me.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2) Releases -- Trafodion's last release has had quite some 
>>> >> distance from the release previous to it. Is there any specific 
>>> >> reason for that?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > This is a volunteer driven open source project, and the project 
>>> > can not dictate where and where contributions will happen. Given 
>>> > that premise,
>>> no
>>> > schedule is available. Nor has anyone - as far as I can tell - 
>>> > ever requested such a fulfilment as a piece of work of the project.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>  AS> I understand that. However, a continous release cycle points 
>>> towards a continous onslaught of tangible improvements to the 
>>> project as well as an ongoing interest in the project. That is a 
>>> good indicator that the project has been able to establish a 
>>> foundation of a stable community which can drive the project forard.
>>>
>>> >> 3) Homogeneous community -- Since Trafodion has a major 
>>> >> investment from a specific company, do we have PPMC members and 
>>> >> committers mostly from that company, or do we have heterogeneous community?
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes. See
>>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
>>> > The diversity aspect is currently also part of the earlier 
>>> > mentioned discussion taking place in the private ML of the project.
>>> >
>>>  AS> That is one thing that we should definitely look into since it 
>>> will definitely come up in the TLP discussion on Incubator PMC.
>>>
>>>
>>> >> 4) Mailing lists -- I have been on the emailing list for less 
>>> >> than 48 hours, so please forgive my short sighted opinion, but I 
>>> >> do not see much dev activity happening on the list. Is that a 
>>> >> regular practise or something that we need to fix?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > We (I) do (forgive you. :)
>>> > At the moment, we (the PPMC) don't see anything happening on our 
>>> > public mailing lists that needs fixing. Of course, we all can have 
>>> > personal viewpoints about what needs to be happening there as well 
>>> > as about how frequents postings happen (and some may even argue by 
>>> > whom), but like I said earlier the project can not dictate 
>>> > contributions. Each of our contributors chips in when and where possible.
>>> >
>>>
>>> AS> If this is not a concern, I am fine with that. Apologies for the
>>> nitpicking :)
>>>
>>> If no other concerns are raised, I do not see any outstanding reason 
>>> as to why we cannot proceed with a TLP resolution. I suggest that we 
>>> start a podling Namesearch and get the trademark issues out of the 
>>> way (if any, I could not figure that out from the Podling page) and 
>>> draft a TLP resolution.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Atri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Atri
>>> l'apprenant
>>>
>>
>>



--
Regards,

Atri
l'apprenant

Re: Graduation -- Gaps To Get There

[Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>]

+1



On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I had a reply from the VP of ASF Brand Mgt regarding the podling name
> search, stating:
>
> Nope, PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79 is approved, so all set from the naming
> perspective, no action needed.
>
>
> This will put the action mentioned earlier in this thread to rest.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> 1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Atri, all,
>>
>> *Re: podling name search*
>> That sub-process was initiated and concluded successfully back when we
>> started the incubation process (see [1]). However, given the time passed
>> since then your suggestion is a good one. I will reach out to Apache Brand
>> Management, and find out whether we should redo the search. I will post
>> results of that discussion here (in this ml).
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-79
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OEM - The OFBiz Extensions Marketplace1
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>> 1 not affiliated to (and not endorsed by) the OFBiz project
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your response.
>>>
>>> My response inline:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >> Few of my comments:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1) Growth of the community. I see that Trafodion has added few
>>> >> committers and PPMC members (which is great). However, I would like to
>>> >> understand the number of active contributors who are currently
>>> >> contributing rather than a specific set of people who are committers
>>> >> and make up the major portion of contributions to the project.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > You can research the various public mailing lists of the project in:
>>> > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@trafodion.apache.org
>>> >
>>>
>>>  AS> Cool, looks good to me.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2) Releases -- Trafodion's last release has had quite some distance
>>> >> from the release previous to it. Is there any specific reason for
>>> >> that?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > This is a volunteer driven open source project, and the project can not
>>> > dictate where and where contributions will happen. Given that premise,
>>> no
>>> > schedule is available. Nor has anyone - as far as I can tell - ever
>>> > requested such a fulfilment as a piece of work of the project.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>  AS> I understand that. However, a continous release cycle points
>>> towards a continous onslaught of tangible improvements to the project
>>> as well as an ongoing interest in the project. That is a good
>>> indicator that the project has been able to establish a foundation of
>>> a stable community which can drive the project forard.
>>>
>>> >> 3) Homogeneous community -- Since Trafodion has a major investment
>>> >> from a specific company, do we have PPMC members and committers mostly
>>> >> from that company, or do we have heterogeneous community?
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes. See
>>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors
>>> > The diversity aspect is currently also part of the earlier mentioned
>>> > discussion taking place in the private ML of the project.
>>> >
>>>  AS> That is one thing that we should definitely look into since it
>>> will definitely come up in the TLP discussion on Incubator PMC.
>>>
>>>
>>> >> 4) Mailing lists -- I have been on the emailing list for less than 48
>>> >> hours, so please forgive my short sighted opinion, but I do not see
>>> >> much dev activity happening on the list. Is that a regular practise or
>>> >> something that we need to fix?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > We (I) do (forgive you. :)
>>> > At the moment, we (the PPMC) don't see anything happening on our public
>>> > mailing lists that needs fixing. Of course, we all can have personal
>>> > viewpoints about what needs to be happening there as well as about how
>>> > frequents postings happen (and some may even argue by whom), but like I
>>> > said earlier the project can not dictate contributions. Each of our
>>> > contributors chips in when and where possible.
>>> >
>>>
>>> AS> If this is not a concern, I am fine with that. Apologies for the
>>> nitpicking :)
>>>
>>> If no other concerns are raised, I do not see any outstanding reason
>>> as to why we cannot proceed with a TLP resolution. I suggest that we
>>> start a podling Namesearch and get the trademark issues out of the way
>>> (if any, I could not figure that out from the Podling page) and draft
>>> a TLP resolution.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Atri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Atri
>>> l'apprenant
>>>
>>
>>



-- 
Regards,

Atri
l'apprenant