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Posted to dev@struts.apache.org by Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> on 2008/12/04 19:39:36 UTC
IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
So, after firing off a few emails to try to find the right people at
IBM. A sales rep from the Rational team contacted me today.
Highlight from that call -
me: "Are you familiar with the Apache project?"
rep: "No, huh-uh, never heard of it"
/sigh
She pointed me to the academic program because she said the only group
she is aware of who gives away licenses is the academic group.
The search continues...
Other updates - I discussed my plans with the legal-discuss@apache
group and feel pretty comfortable asking for a license, so I'll just
keep at it until I get some software to install.
-Wes
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Struts Two <st...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> I came across the following site for "IBM Academic Initiative" that allows
> members to download IBM software for free.
>
> http://www-304.ibm.com/jct01005c/university/scholars/academicinitiative
>
> You can register as "Members of standards organizations". The program
> states that:
>
> If you are a member of a standards body with responsibility for developing
> standards, you will be required to provide the following information, which
> will be reviewed for approval:
>
> * Your project or subcommittee in the standards organization
> * The time period for your project
> * How you use IBM Academic Initiative resources for standards-related
> activities
> * Results expected from this work
>
> I have myself contacted a few folks within IBM and waiting for their reply
> as soon as I get anything I would let you know. However, the above link may
> be is what you need.
Except for the part where we are not actually members of a standards
organisation...
--
Martin Cooper
regards,
>
> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>
> > Subject: Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license
> continues)
> > To: strutstwo@yahoo.ca
> > Cc: "Struts Developers List" <de...@struts.apache.org>
> > Received: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:49 PM
> > On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 14:26 -0800, Struts Two wrote:
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > I work at IBM and I would ask around to see if I can
> > get any contact. We have an individual in our team who
> > handles legal issues, I would try ask him to see if I can
> > get any contact info. Even I as an IBMer have a hard time to
> > find the right channel ( I have been asking around today for
> > a few hours with no result). I will let you know if I can
> > get something.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> >
> > That would be awesome!
> >
> > I've been trying to run through the best scenario on
> > this and it seems
> > like to start, if I can get a single license for each of
> > 6.0, 6.1 and
> > 7.0, I would setup a build that deploys all the reference
> > apps to it and
> > make it available on the web.
> >
> > We may be able to get some space allocated on ASF hardware,
> > which would
> > be useful since it's the one thing we all have in
> > common, but the
> > downside is that there are other projects that might
> > benefit from it. I
> > want to share, but I don't want to make life difficult
> > for the
> > infrastructure crew.
> >
> > Anyhow, the main issue is that we should be testing on
> > WebSphere if we
> > can. So, any help we can get would be great!
> >
> > -Wes
> >
> > PS. If you get some time, try to find the sales group and
> > let them know
> > a little about apache ;)... I'm afraid I might laugh a
> > sales person out
> > of the building if he/she admitted to never having heard of
> > us!
> >
> >
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Struts Two <st...@yahoo.ca>.
> We (the Struts team) have a Solaris zone on helios, so as
> long as it runs on
> Solaris 10, we should be able to put it there.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
Just for your information that IBM does not supply a software developer kit for HP and Sun platform. However, for Sun Solaris, Websphere application server contains an embedded copy of Sun Solaris JVM along with some IBM add-ons, such as security, XML and ORB packages. The Websphere Application Server Solaris SDK is a hybrid of Sun and IBM products and the core JVM and JIT are Sun Solaris. The same applies to HP_UX but JVM and JIT are those of HP.
for other platfrom, WAS uses IBM JVM and Software developer kit
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 14:26 -0800, Struts Two wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > I work at IBM and I would ask around to see if I can get any contact. We
> have an individual in our team who handles legal issues, I would try ask him
> to see if I can get any contact info. Even I as an IBMer have a hard time to
> find the right channel ( I have been asking around today for a few hours
> with no result). I will let you know if I can get something.
> >
> > regards,
> >
>
> That would be awesome!
>
> I've been trying to run through the best scenario on this and it seems
> like to start, if I can get a single license for each of 6.0, 6.1 and
> 7.0, I would setup a build that deploys all the reference apps to it and
> make it available on the web.
>
> We may be able to get some space allocated on ASF hardware, which would
> be useful since it's the one thing we all have in common, but the
> downside is that there are other projects that might benefit from it. I
> want to share, but I don't want to make life difficult for the
> infrastructure crew.
We (the Struts team) have a Solaris zone on helios, so as long as it runs on
Solaris 10, we should be able to put it there.
--
Martin Cooper
> Anyhow, the main issue is that we should be testing on WebSphere if we
> can. So, any help we can get would be great!
>
> -Wes
>
> PS. If you get some time, try to find the sales group and let them know
> a little about apache ;)... I'm afraid I might laugh a sales person out
> of the building if he/she admitted to never having heard of us!
>
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Re: [Friday] Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere
license continues)
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:07 AM, Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Any news on this?
I just sent a ping to see where we are...
--
Martin Cooper
> There is a bunch of Jira tickets related to
> Convention classpach scanning, and some xwork problems in Websphere.
>
> musachy
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Martin, can you tell us who the discussion is going on with?
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sunday 08 February 2009 23:42:24 Paul Benedict wrote:
> >>> > Is there any new information about getting a WebSphere instance?
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> I haven't heard from IBM in a week or two. I'll ping them again
> tomorrow
> >>> morning.
> >>
> >>
> >> There's a discussion going on right now. More news when there is news...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Martin Cooper
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Wes Wannemacher
> >>> Author - Struts 2 In Practice
> >>> Includes coverage of Struts 2.1, Spring, JPA, JQuery, Sitemesh and more
> >>> http://www.manning.com/wannemacher
> >>>
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Re: [Friday] Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere
license continues)
Posted by Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>.
Any news on this? There is a bunch of Jira tickets related to
Convention classpach scanning, and some xwork problems in Websphere.
musachy
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org> wrote:
> Martin, can you tell us who the discussion is going on with?
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday 08 February 2009 23:42:24 Paul Benedict wrote:
>>> > Is there any new information about getting a WebSphere instance?
>>> >
>>>
>>> I haven't heard from IBM in a week or two. I'll ping them again tomorrow
>>> morning.
>>
>>
>> There's a discussion going on right now. More news when there is news...
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Wes Wannemacher
>>> Author - Struts 2 In Practice
>>> Includes coverage of Struts 2.1, Spring, JPA, JQuery, Sitemesh and more
>>> http://www.manning.com/wannemacher
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Friday] Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere
license continues)
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
Martin, can you tell us who the discussion is going on with?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 08 February 2009 23:42:24 Paul Benedict wrote:
>> > Is there any new information about getting a WebSphere instance?
>> >
>>
>> I haven't heard from IBM in a week or two. I'll ping them again tomorrow
>> morning.
>
>
> There's a discussion going on right now. More news when there is news...
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>
>> --
>>
>> Wes Wannemacher
>> Author - Struts 2 In Practice
>> Includes coverage of Struts 2.1, Spring, JPA, JQuery, Sitemesh and more
>> http://www.manning.com/wannemacher
>>
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Re: [Friday] Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere
license continues)
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 08 February 2009 23:42:24 Paul Benedict wrote:
> > Is there any new information about getting a WebSphere instance?
> >
>
> I haven't heard from IBM in a week or two. I'll ping them again tomorrow
> morning.
There's a discussion going on right now. More news when there is news...
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> --
>
> Wes Wannemacher
> Author - Struts 2 In Practice
> Includes coverage of Struts 2.1, Spring, JPA, JQuery, Sitemesh and more
> http://www.manning.com/wannemacher
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Re: [Friday] Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>.
On Sunday 08 February 2009 23:42:24 Paul Benedict wrote:
> Is there any new information about getting a WebSphere instance?
>
I haven't heard from IBM in a week or two. I'll ping them again tomorrow
morning.
--
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Author - Struts 2 In Practice
Includes coverage of Struts 2.1, Spring, JPA, JQuery, Sitemesh and more
http://www.manning.com/wannemacher
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Re: [Friday] Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere
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Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
Is there any new information about getting a WebSphere instance?
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Update - Re: [Friday] Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting
a websphere license continues)
Posted by Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>.
So, thanks to the subscriber who goes by "Struts Two" it would seem that
I am going to see some progress on getting Websphere. Hopefully, I'll
have my hands on it soon and we can do tests before trying to go GA with
2.1.
-Wes
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:56 -0800, Struts Two wrote:
> I have finally managed to find a contact in IBM. The person who forwarded me the contact seem to know Wes Wannemacher! or at least ask me if this is for him.
>
> Can someone send me his private email (preferably Wes Wannemacher ) address to strutstwo@yahoo.ca so that I can forward him the information.
>
> regards,
>
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Re: [Friday] Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Struts Two <st...@yahoo.ca>.
I have finally managed to find a contact in IBM. The person who forwarded me the contact seem to know Wes Wannemacher! or at least ask me if this is for him.
Can someone send me his private email (preferably Wes Wannemacher ) address to strutstwo@yahoo.ca so that I can forward him the information.
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[Friday] Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere
license continues)
Posted by Al Sutton <al...@funkyandroid.com>.
The knee bones' connected to the thigh bone.... the thigh bones
connected to the hip bone..... (sing along if you know the words..)
Al.
Struts Two wrote:
> The legal folks in my team have directed me to Websphere Release team whose manager told me that they have someone who is IBM contact to Apache foundation. She is supposed to get back to me early next week with a name. As soon as I get anything , I would let you know.
>
> regards,
>
>
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Struts Two <st...@yahoo.ca>.
The legal folks in my team have directed me to Websphere Release team whose manager told me that they have someone who is IBM contact to Apache foundation. She is supposed to get back to me early next week with a name. As soon as I get anything , I would let you know.
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Philip Luppens
<ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just a quick note on this; we've asked around over at the IBM booth,
> and they promised to get in touch with the WAS product manager (or
> project lead, heck, I forgot - what's in a name). I've given my
> contact details, so if I hear something, I'll let you know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
Thanks Phil! Let me know what I can do if/when you hear from them...
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Philip Luppens <ph...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 14:26 -0800, Struts Two wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> I work at IBM and I would ask around to see if I can get any contact. We have an individual in our team who handles legal issues, I would try ask him to see if I can get any contact info. Even I as an IBMer have a hard time to find the right channel ( I have been asking around today for a few hours with no result). I will let you know if I can get something.
>>
>> regards,
>>
Just a quick note on this; we've asked around over at the IBM booth,
and they promised to get in touch with the WAS product manager (or
project lead, heck, I forgot - what's in a name). I've given my
contact details, so if I hear something, I'll let you know.
Cheers,
Phil
>
> That would be awesome!
>
> I've been trying to run through the best scenario on this and it seems
> like to start, if I can get a single license for each of 6.0, 6.1 and
> 7.0, I would setup a build that deploys all the reference apps to it and
> make it available on the web.
>
> We may be able to get some space allocated on ASF hardware, which would
> be useful since it's the one thing we all have in common, but the
> downside is that there are other projects that might benefit from it. I
> want to share, but I don't want to make life difficult for the
> infrastructure crew.
>
> Anyhow, the main issue is that we should be testing on WebSphere if we
> can. So, any help we can get would be great!
>
> -Wes
>
> PS. If you get some time, try to find the sales group and let them know
> a little about apache ;)... I'm afraid I might laugh a sales person out
> of the building if he/she admitted to never having heard of us!
>
>
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Struts Two <st...@yahoo.ca>.
I came across the following site for "IBM Academic Initiative" that allows members to download IBM software for free.
http://www-304.ibm.com/jct01005c/university/scholars/academicinitiative
You can register as "Members of standards organizations". The program states that:
If you are a member of a standards body with responsibility for developing standards, you will be required to provide the following information, which will be reviewed for approval:
* Your project or subcommittee in the standards organization
* The time period for your project
* How you use IBM Academic Initiative resources for standards-related activities
* Results expected from this work
I have myself contacted a few folks within IBM and waiting for their reply as soon as I get anything I would let you know. However, the above link may be is what you need.
regards,
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
> From: Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>
> Subject: Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
> To: strutstwo@yahoo.ca
> Cc: "Struts Developers List" <de...@struts.apache.org>
> Received: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:49 PM
> On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 14:26 -0800, Struts Two wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > I work at IBM and I would ask around to see if I can
> get any contact. We have an individual in our team who
> handles legal issues, I would try ask him to see if I can
> get any contact info. Even I as an IBMer have a hard time to
> find the right channel ( I have been asking around today for
> a few hours with no result). I will let you know if I can
> get something.
> >
> > regards,
> >
>
> That would be awesome!
>
> I've been trying to run through the best scenario on
> this and it seems
> like to start, if I can get a single license for each of
> 6.0, 6.1 and
> 7.0, I would setup a build that deploys all the reference
> apps to it and
> make it available on the web.
>
> We may be able to get some space allocated on ASF hardware,
> which would
> be useful since it's the one thing we all have in
> common, but the
> downside is that there are other projects that might
> benefit from it. I
> want to share, but I don't want to make life difficult
> for the
> infrastructure crew.
>
> Anyhow, the main issue is that we should be testing on
> WebSphere if we
> can. So, any help we can get would be great!
>
> -Wes
>
> PS. If you get some time, try to find the sales group and
> let them know
> a little about apache ;)... I'm afraid I might laugh a
> sales person out
> of the building if he/she admitted to never having heard of
> us!
>
>
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license
continues)
Posted by Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>.
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 14:26 -0800, Struts Two wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I work at IBM and I would ask around to see if I can get any contact. We have an individual in our team who handles legal issues, I would try ask him to see if I can get any contact info. Even I as an IBMer have a hard time to find the right channel ( I have been asking around today for a few hours with no result). I will let you know if I can get something.
>
> regards,
>
That would be awesome!
I've been trying to run through the best scenario on this and it seems
like to start, if I can get a single license for each of 6.0, 6.1 and
7.0, I would setup a build that deploys all the reference apps to it and
make it available on the web.
We may be able to get some space allocated on ASF hardware, which would
be useful since it's the one thing we all have in common, but the
downside is that there are other projects that might benefit from it. I
want to share, but I don't want to make life difficult for the
infrastructure crew.
Anyhow, the main issue is that we should be testing on WebSphere if we
can. So, any help we can get would be great!
-Wes
PS. If you get some time, try to find the sales group and let them know
a little about apache ;)... I'm afraid I might laugh a sales person out
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Struts Two <st...@yahoo.ca>.
Hi:
I work at IBM and I would ask around to see if I can get any contact. We have an individual in our team who handles legal issues, I would try ask him to see if I can get any contact info. Even I as an IBMer have a hard time to find the right channel ( I have been asking around today for a few hours with no result). I will let you know if I can get something.
regards,
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
> To: "Struts Developers List" <de...@struts.apache.org>
> Received: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 7:13 PM
> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Wes Wannemacher wrote:
> > Martin suggested I contact IBMmers who are apache
> > members, so I am going to try that route as well.
>
> That's probably the quickest approach.
>
> Dave
>
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com>.
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Wes Wannemacher wrote:
> Martin suggested I contact IBMmers who are apache
> members, so I am going to try that route as well.
That's probably the quickest approach.
Dave
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com>.
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I can also try through my current gig, although considering how long it takes to get a paid support request handled I don't have particularly high hopes--but I'll see what I can do, if anything.
>
> Dave
>
Thanks Dave, I figured the worst case scenario is that they say "no."
But, I don't want to give up until I feel like I've asked the right
person. Martin suggested I contact IBMmers who are apache members, so
I am going to try that route as well.
-Wes
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Re: IBM is an island (the quest for getting a websphere license continues)
Posted by Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com>.
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Wes Wannemacher <we...@wantii.com> wrote:
> So, after firing off a few emails to try to find the right
> people at IBM. A sales rep from the Rational team contacted me today.
>
> Highlight from that call -
>
> me: "Are you familiar with the Apache project?"
> rep: "No, huh-uh, never heard of it"
> /sigh
>
> She pointed me to the academic program because she said the only
> group she is aware of who gives away licenses is the academic group.
>
> The search continues...
I can also try through my current gig, although considering how long it takes to get a paid support request handled I don't have particularly high hopes--but I'll see what I can do, if anything.
Dave
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