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Posted to user@couchdb.apache.org by Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com> on 2009/05/21 01:18:18 UTC
I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Hey,
Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in the
user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating the
two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
(and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the next pub
meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
[1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
Thanks,
Paul Davis
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>.
James,
Cool beans. Show us what you can do. I'm hoping we can get a couple
good ideas and mash them all up into one huge ball of radness.
Paul
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM, James Carr <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have some pretty good javascript skills I'd like to believe... I'm
> willing to lend a hand if one is needed.
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey,
>>
>> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
>> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in the
>> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating the
>> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
>> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the next pub
>> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
>> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
>>
>> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul Davis
>>
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by James Carr <ja...@gmail.com>.
I have some pretty good javascript skills I'd like to believe... I'm
willing to lend a hand if one is needed.
Thanks,
James
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in the
> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating the
> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the next pub
> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
>
> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Davis
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
2009/5/21 Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>:
>
> On 21 May 2009, at 05:07, Chris Anderson wrote:
>> +1 if it speaks CouchApp.
>
> I'll throw in a 2x multiplier if it is a CouchApp.
I was thinking about a way to create couchapp online (managing
shows/lists/template/uploading attachments & ...) . Like the bespin
manager anyway but rather than using fs, it would use and allow
creation of design docs/couchapp on couchdb.
I don't know if it could be a couchapp by itself. Using a couchapp to
create design docs in multiple db seems weird. Now that util_handler
is trans parent to the location, it could be an addon to couchdb I
think
Anyway definitely an exiting project. Need to finish new friendpaste,
but I'm interrested. Btw dev could be hosted on
http://github.com/couchapp ... :)
- benoît
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Per Ejeklint <ej...@mac.com>.
Oooh, I'm trembling of excitement! Excellent!
22 maj 2009 kl. 14.34 skrev Ben Browning:
> http://thinkingconcurrently.com/2009/05/21/running-bespin-on-the-couch-pt1.html
>
> Installed as a CouchApp (several hundred MB, thousands of files...)
> and most UI pieces work. None of the filesystem is implemented yet but
> I've got a clear idea of what needs to be done there and expect to get
> a good bit of that done over the weekend. By sometime next week you
> should be able to create and edit fully functional CouchApps within
> Bespin, including editing Bespin itself.
>
> I'll post another update when I've got more to show.
>
> Ben
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Juhani Ränkimies <ju...@juranki.com>.
In March, I played a little with Bespin & CouchDB.
http://sndbx.juranki.net/demo1.swf.html
Bespin has probably changed a lot since, but I can dig up the modifications
I made, if you like.
-juhani
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Ben Browning <be...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Jason Davies <ja...@jasondavies.com> wrote:
> Another idea for the wishlist: add support for http://www.jslint.com/ (which
> is written in pure JS) as a way to encourage good coding practices.
>
Bespin includes 'fulljslint.js' on the editor page, so I assume
they're using it for something already. I have no affiliation with the
upstream Bespin project right now but I've got a few other patches I
need to submit to them so I'll take a look at jslint functionality
once I finish all the existing stuff.
Ben
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Jason Davies <ja...@jasondavies.com>.
On 22 May 2009, at 13:34, Ben Browning wrote:
> http://thinkingconcurrently.com/2009/05/21/running-bespin-on-the-couch-pt1.html
>
> Installed as a CouchApp (several hundred MB, thousands of files...)
> and most UI pieces work. None of the filesystem is implemented yet but
> I've got a clear idea of what needs to be done there and expect to get
> a good bit of that done over the weekend. By sometime next week you
> should be able to create and edit fully functional CouchApps within
> Bespin, including editing Bespin itself.
Another idea for the wishlist: add support for http://www.jslint.com/
(which is written in pure JS) as a way to encourage good coding
practices.
--
Jason Davies
www.jasondavies.com
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>.
Joygasm!
Deifinitely looking forward to seeing this in action later today.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@prima.de> wrote:
> Very cool!
>
> On 22 May 2009, at 14:34, Ben Browning wrote:
>
>>
>> http://thinkingconcurrently.com/2009/05/21/running-bespin-on-the-couch-pt1.html
>>
>> Installed as a CouchApp (several hundred MB, thousands of files...)
>> and most UI pieces work. None of the filesystem is implemented yet but
>> I've got a clear idea of what needs to be done there and expect to get
>> a good bit of that done over the weekend. By sometime next week you
>> should be able to create and edit fully functional CouchApps within
>> Bespin, including editing Bespin itself.
>>
>> I'll post another update when I've got more to show.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@prima.de>.
Very cool!
On 22 May 2009, at 14:34, Ben Browning wrote:
> http://thinkingconcurrently.com/2009/05/21/running-bespin-on-the-couch-pt1.html
>
> Installed as a CouchApp (several hundred MB, thousands of files...)
> and most UI pieces work. None of the filesystem is implemented yet but
> I've got a clear idea of what needs to be done there and expect to get
> a good bit of that done over the weekend. By sometime next week you
> should be able to create and edit fully functional CouchApps within
> Bespin, including editing Bespin itself.
>
> I'll post another update when I've got more to show.
>
> Ben
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Robert Dionne <di...@dionne-associates.com>.
Sweet! Bespin is a CouchApp that supports building of CouchApps, and
one can modify Bespin itself using this tool. Very nice, I think Alan
Kay and the Squeak crowd would be duly impressed.
I'll throw in a case of your choice if you send me your paypal id.
On May 22, 2009, at 8:34 AM, Ben Browning wrote:
> http://thinkingconcurrently.com/2009/05/21/running-bespin-on-the-
> couch-pt1.html
>
> Installed as a CouchApp (several hundred MB, thousands of files...)
> and most UI pieces work. None of the filesystem is implemented yet but
> I've got a clear idea of what needs to be done there and expect to get
> a good bit of that done over the weekend. By sometime next week you
> should be able to create and edit fully functional CouchApps within
> Bespin, including editing Bespin itself.
>
> I'll post another update when I've got more to show.
>
> Ben
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Ben Browning <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not working on this to be a futon replacement or any other grand
> goal - it just looked like a fun thing to do. There are lots of
> unsolved problems and I'd love some discussion around potential
> solutions:
>
> Authentication - right now I punt and just log you in as a fake user.
> I saw some discussion on getting cookie-based auth in CouchApp and
> we'd probably need something similar to have a usable auth system.
>
> Filesystem implementations - I really have two ideas here. The first
> is to make every CouchApp on a given database(can I do cross-database?
> probably...) a Project in the Bespin world.
there is some code for finding all design documents in the
jquery.couch.js that ships with CouchDB trunk. It should be easy to
port to dojo.
> Then, all the app's
> attachments would appear as editable files in the dashboard. The
> second part is to have regular CouchDB docs appear as files enabling
> you to edit docs, views, etc with nice javascript syntax highlighting.
> My next main focus is getting at least one of these two options fully
> functional for CRUD stuff.
>
> Dojo vs jQuery - Bespin uses Dojo for all its javascript. There are a
> few nice CouchDB helper functions written in jQuery. Should I just
> include both or make a special port of those helpers to Dojo?
I'd start by looking at Dojo's native Couch support but if that turns
out to be too heavyweight you could port this pretty quickly. But I'm
+1 on getting more than just jQuery into our toolkit.
This is really cool!
On the security of having a CouchApp edit CouchApps: I don't see
anything wrong with it. As the editing user will have to provide
db-admin credentials to save anyway. Bespin may try to do a local
save-cache on the Bespin app's db, so you'd have to be careful about
sharing an editor-db with someone else. Otherwise, I don't see a
problem.
>
> Thanks for all the positive feedback. I've got a Slicehost box sitting
> idle so I'll try to carve out some time to install trunk CouchDB and
> push my Bespin stuff there for people to play with. Then, as I make
> code updates, you can just couchapp clone or use couchdb replication
> to keep your local copy updated.
>
> Ben
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/5/22 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
>>> Benoit,
>>>
>>> Once its a couchapp we can look at integrating it into the
>>> distribution and what not. It would be awesome to have something as a
>>> default install, but there are all those questions about licensing and
>>> what not. As always, these questions are always easier once we have
>>> code to look at.
>>
>> mmm I didn't think about integrating in official couchdb which would
>> be dificult indeed considering the license. And the fact that it works
>> only with mozilla. I thought more about a line we add to local.ini
>> like
>>
>> _couchapps = {couch_httpd_misc_handlers, handle_utils_dir_req,
>> "/somewhere/couchapps"}
>>
>> Wich isn't really difficult and would allow to distribute it as a
>> plugin. Just a talk. That's just for me this is more like futon rather
>> than a couchapp.
>>
>>>
>>> And depending on what the lawyer type people say, this could be the
>>> motivation to get that fancy dancy public app hosting node so people
>>> can see what its like to install an app via replication.
>>>
>>
>> agree.
>>
>> - benoit
>>
>
--
Chris Anderson
http://jchrisa.net
http://couch.io
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Ben Browning <be...@gmail.com>.
I'm not working on this to be a futon replacement or any other grand
goal - it just looked like a fun thing to do. There are lots of
unsolved problems and I'd love some discussion around potential
solutions:
Authentication - right now I punt and just log you in as a fake user.
I saw some discussion on getting cookie-based auth in CouchApp and
we'd probably need something similar to have a usable auth system.
Filesystem implementations - I really have two ideas here. The first
is to make every CouchApp on a given database(can I do cross-database?
probably...) a Project in the Bespin world. Then, all the app's
attachments would appear as editable files in the dashboard. The
second part is to have regular CouchDB docs appear as files enabling
you to edit docs, views, etc with nice javascript syntax highlighting.
My next main focus is getting at least one of these two options fully
functional for CRUD stuff.
Dojo vs jQuery - Bespin uses Dojo for all its javascript. There are a
few nice CouchDB helper functions written in jQuery. Should I just
include both or make a special port of those helpers to Dojo?
Thanks for all the positive feedback. I've got a Slicehost box sitting
idle so I'll try to carve out some time to install trunk CouchDB and
push my Bespin stuff there for people to play with. Then, as I make
code updates, you can just couchapp clone or use couchdb replication
to keep your local copy updated.
Ben
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/5/22 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
>> Benoit,
>>
>> Once its a couchapp we can look at integrating it into the
>> distribution and what not. It would be awesome to have something as a
>> default install, but there are all those questions about licensing and
>> what not. As always, these questions are always easier once we have
>> code to look at.
>
> mmm I didn't think about integrating in official couchdb which would
> be dificult indeed considering the license. And the fact that it works
> only with mozilla. I thought more about a line we add to local.ini
> like
>
> _couchapps = {couch_httpd_misc_handlers, handle_utils_dir_req,
> "/somewhere/couchapps"}
>
> Wich isn't really difficult and would allow to distribute it as a
> plugin. Just a talk. That's just for me this is more like futon rather
> than a couchapp.
>
>>
>> And depending on what the lawyer type people say, this could be the
>> motivation to get that fancy dancy public app hosting node so people
>> can see what its like to install an app via replication.
>>
>
> agree.
>
> - benoit
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
2009/5/22 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
> Benoit,
>
> Once its a couchapp we can look at integrating it into the
> distribution and what not. It would be awesome to have something as a
> default install, but there are all those questions about licensing and
> what not. As always, these questions are always easier once we have
> code to look at.
mmm I didn't think about integrating in official couchdb which would
be dificult indeed considering the license. And the fact that it works
only with mozilla. I thought more about a line we add to local.ini
like
_couchapps = {couch_httpd_misc_handlers, handle_utils_dir_req,
"/somewhere/couchapps"}
Wich isn't really difficult and would allow to distribute it as a
plugin. Just a talk. That's just for me this is more like futon rather
than a couchapp.
>
> And depending on what the lawyer type people say, this could be the
> motivation to get that fancy dancy public app hosting node so people
> can see what its like to install an app via replication.
>
agree.
- benoit
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/5/22 Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>> Why not just
>> providing as a futon replacement?
>
> not a futon replacement obviously. more like a plugin.
>
Benoit,
Once its a couchapp we can look at integrating it into the
distribution and what not. It would be awesome to have something as a
default install, but there are all those questions about licensing and
what not. As always, these questions are always easier once we have
code to look at.
And depending on what the lawyer type people say, this could be the
motivation to get that fancy dancy public app hosting node so people
can see what its like to install an app via replication.
HTH,
Paul Davis
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
2009/5/22 Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>:
>
> Why not just
> providing as a futon replacement?
not a futon replacement obviously. more like a plugin.
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
2009/5/22 Ben Browning <be...@gmail.com>:
> http://thinkingconcurrently.com/2009/05/21/running-bespin-on-the-couch-pt1.html
>
> Installed as a CouchApp (several hundred MB, thousands of files...)
> and most UI pieces work. None of the filesystem is implemented yet but
> I've got a clear idea of what needs to be done there and expect to get
> a good bit of that done over the weekend. By sometime next week you
> should be able to create and edit fully functional CouchApps within
> Bespin, including editing Bespin itself.
>
> I'll post another update when I've got more to show.
>
> Ben
>
So it will be a couchapp to create other couchapp ? Why not just
providing as a futon replacement? I'm not sure that creating a db and
a design_doc is the right way to do this. I mean It looks weird, also
not secure to have to create a db & such rto create another db.
I mean it's really cool and a really good start but in my mind bespin
and couchapp admin could be another tool unde _utils or better
_couchapps. What do you think about it ?
- benoît
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Ben Browning <be...@gmail.com>.
http://thinkingconcurrently.com/2009/05/21/running-bespin-on-the-couch-pt1.html
Installed as a CouchApp (several hundred MB, thousands of files...)
and most UI pieces work. None of the filesystem is implemented yet but
I've got a clear idea of what needs to be done there and expect to get
a good bit of that done over the weekend. By sometime next week you
should be able to create and edit fully functional CouchApps within
Bespin, including editing Bespin itself.
I'll post another update when I've got more to show.
Ben
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On 21 May 2009, at 05:07, Chris Anderson wrote:
>
>> I'm adding 2 more internets to the pool, so we're up to I think 14 now.
>>
>> Bespin on Couch!
>>
>> +1 if it speaks CouchApp.
>
> I'll throw in a 2x multiplier if it is a CouchApp.
>
My head assplodes at the possibility of the bespin couchapp editor
editing itself.
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
>
>
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> There's no reason the license would have to be compatible. CouchDB
>>> application code can be distributed under any license.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Benoit,
>>>>
>>>> Buzzkill.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>>>>
>>>> Looks like a gray area. I wonder if a gzipped version that's
>>>> decompressed on the fly is considered binary compatible. Or minified
>>>> JS. Didn't I see a post by RMS that minified JS constitutes binary-ish
>>>> distribution?
>>>>
>>>> Quoting RMS:
>>>>
>>>> The source code of a program is the preferred form for modifying it;
>>>> the compacted code is not source code, and the real source code of
>>>> this program is not available to the user. [1]
>>>>
>>>> So, all we need to do is minify it and we're good (cause no one argues
>>>> with the RMS).
>>>>
>>>> Paul Davis
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/5/21 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
>>>>>> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in the
>>>>>> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating the
>>>>>> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
>>>>>> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the next pub
>>>>>> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
>>>>>> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Paul Davis
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> is the license compatible with apache ? dojo is ok but bespin is under
>>>>> mozilla license I guess. Anyway only the editor or a design/couchapp
>>>>> editor ? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> - benoît
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Anderson
>>> http://jchrisa.net
>>> http://couch.io
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Anderson
>> http://jchrisa.net
>> http://couch.io
>>
>
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 21 May 2009, at 05:07, Chris Anderson wrote:
> I'm adding 2 more internets to the pool, so we're up to I think 14
> now.
>
> Bespin on Couch!
>
> +1 if it speaks CouchApp.
I'll throw in a 2x multiplier if it is a CouchApp.
Cheers
Jan
--
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>> There's no reason the license would have to be compatible. CouchDB
>> application code can be distributed under any license.
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Paul Davis <paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>> Benoit,
>>>
>>> Buzzkill.
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>>>
>>> Looks like a gray area. I wonder if a gzipped version that's
>>> decompressed on the fly is considered binary compatible. Or minified
>>> JS. Didn't I see a post by RMS that minified JS constitutes binary-
>>> ish
>>> distribution?
>>>
>>> Quoting RMS:
>>>
>>> The source code of a program is the preferred form for modifying it;
>>> the compacted code is not source code, and the real source code of
>>> this program is not available to the user. [1]
>>>
>>> So, all we need to do is minify it and we're good (cause no one
>>> argues
>>> with the RMS).
>>>
>>> Paul Davis
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>> 2009/5/21 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
>>>>> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in
>>>>> the
>>>>> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating
>>>>> the
>>>>> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
>>>>> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the
>>>>> next pub
>>>>> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
>>>>> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Paul Davis
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> is the license compatible with apache ? dojo is ok but bespin is
>>>> under
>>>> mozilla license I guess. Anyway only the editor or a design/
>>>> couchapp
>>>> editor ? ;)
>>>>
>>>> - benoît
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Anderson
>> http://jchrisa.net
>> http://couch.io
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Anderson
> http://jchrisa.net
> http://couch.io
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 21 May 2009, at 05:07, Chris Anderson wrote:
> I'm adding 2 more internets to the pool, so we're up to I think 14
> now.
>
> Bespin on Couch!
>
> +1 if it speaks CouchApp.
I'll throw in a 2x multiplier if it is a CouchApp.
Cheers
Jan
--
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>> There's no reason the license would have to be compatible. CouchDB
>> application code can be distributed under any license.
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Paul Davis <paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>> Benoit,
>>>
>>> Buzzkill.
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>>>
>>> Looks like a gray area. I wonder if a gzipped version that's
>>> decompressed on the fly is considered binary compatible. Or minified
>>> JS. Didn't I see a post by RMS that minified JS constitutes binary-
>>> ish
>>> distribution?
>>>
>>> Quoting RMS:
>>>
>>> The source code of a program is the preferred form for modifying it;
>>> the compacted code is not source code, and the real source code of
>>> this program is not available to the user. [1]
>>>
>>> So, all we need to do is minify it and we're good (cause no one
>>> argues
>>> with the RMS).
>>>
>>> Paul Davis
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>> 2009/5/21 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
>>>>> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in
>>>>> the
>>>>> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating
>>>>> the
>>>>> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
>>>>> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the
>>>>> next pub
>>>>> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
>>>>> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Paul Davis
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> is the license compatible with apache ? dojo is ok but bespin is
>>>> under
>>>> mozilla license I guess. Anyway only the editor or a design/
>>>> couchapp
>>>> editor ? ;)
>>>>
>>>> - benoît
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Anderson
>> http://jchrisa.net
>> http://couch.io
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Anderson
> http://jchrisa.net
> http://couch.io
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>.
I'm adding 2 more internets to the pool, so we're up to I think 14 now.
Bespin on Couch!
+1 if it speaks CouchApp.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org> wrote:
> There's no reason the license would have to be compatible. CouchDB
> application code can be distributed under any license.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Benoit,
>>
>> Buzzkill.
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>>
>> Looks like a gray area. I wonder if a gzipped version that's
>> decompressed on the fly is considered binary compatible. Or minified
>> JS. Didn't I see a post by RMS that minified JS constitutes binary-ish
>> distribution?
>>
>> Quoting RMS:
>>
>> The source code of a program is the preferred form for modifying it;
>> the compacted code is not source code, and the real source code of
>> this program is not available to the user. [1]
>>
>> So, all we need to do is minify it and we're good (cause no one argues
>> with the RMS).
>>
>> Paul Davis
>>
>> [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2009/5/21 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
>>>> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in the
>>>> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating the
>>>> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
>>>> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the next pub
>>>> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
>>>> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Paul Davis
>>>>
>>>
>>> is the license compatible with apache ? dojo is ok but bespin is under
>>> mozilla license I guess. Anyway only the editor or a design/couchapp
>>> editor ? ;)
>>>
>>> - benoît
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Anderson
> http://jchrisa.net
> http://couch.io
>
--
Chris Anderson
http://jchrisa.net
http://couch.io
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>.
There's no reason the license would have to be compatible. CouchDB
application code can be distributed under any license.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Benoit,
>
> Buzzkill.
>
> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>
> Looks like a gray area. I wonder if a gzipped version that's
> decompressed on the fly is considered binary compatible. Or minified
> JS. Didn't I see a post by RMS that minified JS constitutes binary-ish
> distribution?
>
> Quoting RMS:
>
> The source code of a program is the preferred form for modifying it;
> the compacted code is not source code, and the real source code of
> this program is not available to the user. [1]
>
> So, all we need to do is minify it and we're good (cause no one argues
> with the RMS).
>
> Paul Davis
>
> [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/5/21 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
>>> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in the
>>> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating the
>>> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
>>> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the next pub
>>> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
>>> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
>>>
>>> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Paul Davis
>>>
>>
>> is the license compatible with apache ? dojo is ok but bespin is under
>> mozilla license I guess. Anyway only the editor or a design/couchapp
>> editor ? ;)
>>
>> - benoît
>>
>
--
Chris Anderson
http://jchrisa.net
http://couch.io
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>.
Its not a project till someone starts working on it. Sadly, for
webdev, I can only offer one slightly used groupie (me), alcohol, and
a couple spare internets.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Nathan Stott <nr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very cool project.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Benoit,
>>
>> Buzzkill.
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>>
>> Looks like a gray area. I wonder if a gzipped version that's
>> decompressed on the fly is considered binary compatible. Or minified
>> JS. Didn't I see a post by RMS that minified JS constitutes binary-ish
>> distribution?
>>
>> Quoting RMS:
>>
>> The source code of a program is the preferred form for modifying it;
>> the compacted code is not source code, and the real source code of
>> this program is not available to the user. [1]
>>
>> So, all we need to do is minify it and we're good (cause no one argues
>> with the RMS).
>>
>> Paul Davis
>>
>> [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > 2009/5/21 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
>> >> Hey,
>> >>
>> >> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
>> >> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in the
>> >> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating the
>> >> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
>> >> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the next pub
>> >> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
>> >> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
>> >>
>> >> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Paul Davis
>> >>
>> >
>> > is the license compatible with apache ? dojo is ok but bespin is under
>> > mozilla license I guess. Anyway only the editor or a design/couchapp
>> > editor ? ;)
>> >
>> > - benoît
>> >
>>
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Nathan Stott <nr...@gmail.com>.
Very cool project.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Benoit,
>
> Buzzkill.
>
> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>
> Looks like a gray area. I wonder if a gzipped version that's
> decompressed on the fly is considered binary compatible. Or minified
> JS. Didn't I see a post by RMS that minified JS constitutes binary-ish
> distribution?
>
> Quoting RMS:
>
> The source code of a program is the preferred form for modifying it;
> the compacted code is not source code, and the real source code of
> this program is not available to the user. [1]
>
> So, all we need to do is minify it and we're good (cause no one argues
> with the RMS).
>
> Paul Davis
>
> [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 2009/5/21 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
> >> Hey,
> >>
> >> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
> >> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in the
> >> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating the
> >> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
> >> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the next pub
> >> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
> >> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
> >>
> >> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Paul Davis
> >>
> >
> > is the license compatible with apache ? dojo is ok but bespin is under
> > mozilla license I guess. Anyway only the editor or a design/couchapp
> > editor ? ;)
> >
> > - benoît
> >
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>.
Benoit,
Buzzkill.
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
Looks like a gray area. I wonder if a gzipped version that's
decompressed on the fly is considered binary compatible. Or minified
JS. Didn't I see a post by RMS that minified JS constitutes binary-ish
distribution?
Quoting RMS:
The source code of a program is the preferred form for modifying it;
the compacted code is not source code, and the real source code of
this program is not available to the user. [1]
So, all we need to do is minify it and we're good (cause no one argues
with the RMS).
Paul Davis
[1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/5/21 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
>> Hey,
>>
>> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
>> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in the
>> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating the
>> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
>> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the next pub
>> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
>> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
>>
>> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul Davis
>>
>
> is the license compatible with apache ? dojo is ok but bespin is under
> mozilla license I guess. Anyway only the editor or a design/couchapp
> editor ? ;)
>
> - benoît
>
Re: I'd like a dish of JavaScript Awesome, please!
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
2009/5/21 Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>:
> Hey,
>
> Mikeal on IRC just pointed out that Bespin isn't nearly as hard to
> load as I had assumed [1]. Surely there's a JavaScript coder in the
> user base that feels compelled to try their hand at integrating the
> two for an awesomeness multiplier of at least 12. Also, I'm sure I
> (and hundreds of others) would buy that person a beer at the next pub
> meetup. Just saying, if you want groupies, this is a
> get-groupies-quick scheme that'll treat you right.
>
> [1] http://mozilla.hskupin.info/bespin/editor.html
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Davis
>
is the license compatible with apache ? dojo is ok but bespin is under
mozilla license I guess. Anyway only the editor or a design/couchapp
editor ? ;)
- benoît