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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> on 2017/11/23 11:06:00 UTC
Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Hi all,
We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing
lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org
mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the
Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the
following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next
week.
Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
> Lists and Forum"
>
> Text:
>
> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. You
> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>
> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st,
> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived
> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where
> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, and
> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those
> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use
> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too
> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a separate
> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache NetBeans
> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the
> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>
> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that
> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>
> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Geertjan & Jirka
>
Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
Thanks,
Gj and Jirka
RE: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org>.
Hi, +1
Maybe we can tell to put a prefix tag in subjet like the NetCat one.
Regards
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
Envoyé : jeudi 23 novembre 2017 12:06
À : dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Objet : Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Hi all,
We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
> Lists and Forum"
>
> Text:
>
> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git
> already. You should also be aware that mailing lists are available at
> Apache for purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>
> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January
> 1st, 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
> archived at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org
> will, where possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans
> mailing lists, and everyone will need to manually move to the Apache
> NetBeans @dev (
> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as
> those using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications,
> will use the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns
> out that too many developers of one category dominate the @user
> mailing list, a separate Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created
> for them. The Apache NetBeans @dev mailing list is specifically for
> those committed to working on the development of Apache NetBeans
> itself, as well as those committed to promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>
> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for
> that — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>
> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Geertjan & Jirka
>
Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @ netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
Thanks,
Gj and Jirka
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Users seem to be confused about where to report issues.
>
> Maybe it's a good idea to add a link to the new JIRA issue system too.
>
>
Good idea. Will add that.
Gj
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
> El 23/11/17 a las 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga escribió:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing
>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org
>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on
>> the
>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the
>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next
>> week.
>>
>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
>>
>>> Lists and Forum"
>>>
>>> Text:
>>>
>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already.
>>> You
>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>>
>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st,
>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived
>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where
>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists,
>>> and
>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those
>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use
>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too
>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
>>> separate
>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
>>> NetBeans
>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the
>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>>
>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that
>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>>
>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gj and Jirka
>>
>>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi,
Users seem to be confused about where to report issues.
Maybe it's a good idea to add a link to the new JIRA issue system too.
Cheers,
Antonio
El 23/11/17 a las 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga escribió:
> Hi all,
>
> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing
> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org
> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the
> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the
> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next
> week.
>
> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
>> Lists and Forum"
>>
>> Text:
>>
>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. You
>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>
>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st,
>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived
>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where
>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, and
>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>
>
>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those
>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use
>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too
>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a separate
>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache NetBeans
>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the
>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>
>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that
>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>
>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>
>
>
> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj and Jirka
>
Re: AW: AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Edson Carlos Ericksson Richter <ri...@simkorp.com.br>.
+1
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Em 20/12/2017 18:00, Christian Lenz escreveu:
> In the last days, I see some users commenting on tickets where I vote or where I commented. I got the Information about that, that someone did this. Commenting, resolving, etc. A lot of Bugs are very up to date, like my list of about 150 issues and yes I will migrate all of them to JIRA manually and I guess I’m not the only one with active Bugs. It was an Information to let you know it that this could be a Problem.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Matthias Bläsing
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 19:47
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>
> Hi,
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 20.12.2017, 16:00 +0100 schrieb Christian Lenz:
>> I’m talking about the users who has a @netbeans.org address who
>> created tickets in the bugzilla board of NetBeans.
> I can't speak for the rest of the team, but I won't take another look
> at the bugzilla instance. At least not to find work to do.
>
> Many bugs are:
> - orphaned by their creators
> - had no interested user at all (exception reporter)
> - are just invalid because the target version is long gone
>
> As a reference for history the bugzilla instance is ok, for the rest a
> clean start sounds like a good idea.
>
> Matthias
>
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>
>
>
>
AW: AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
In the last days, I see some users commenting on tickets where I vote or where I commented. I got the Information about that, that someone did this. Commenting, resolving, etc. A lot of Bugs are very up to date, like my list of about 150 issues and yes I will migrate all of them to JIRA manually and I guess I’m not the only one with active Bugs. It was an Information to let you know it that this could be a Problem.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Matthias Bläsing
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 19:47
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 20.12.2017, 16:00 +0100 schrieb Christian Lenz:
> I’m talking about the users who has a @netbeans.org address who
> created tickets in the bugzilla board of NetBeans.
I can't speak for the rest of the team, but I won't take another look
at the bugzilla instance. At least not to find work to do.
Many bugs are:
- orphaned by their creators
- had no interested user at all (exception reporter)
- are just invalid because the target version is long gone
As a reference for history the bugzilla instance is ok, for the rest a
clean start sounds like a good idea.
Matthias
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Re: AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 20.12.2017, 16:00 +0100 schrieb Christian Lenz:
> I’m talking about the users who has a @netbeans.org address who
> created tickets in the bugzilla board of NetBeans.
I can't speak for the rest of the team, but I won't take another look
at the bugzilla instance. At least not to find work to do.
Many bugs are:
- orphaned by their creators
- had no interested user at all (exception reporter)
- are just invalid because the target version is long gone
As a reference for history the bugzilla instance is ok, for the rest a
clean start sounds like a good idea.
Matthias
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AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
I’m talking about the users who has a @netbeans.org address who created tickets in the bugzilla board of NetBeans.
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Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 15:59
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
There's a mailing list that can be subscribed to for all Apache
NetBeans GitHub notifications:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15695
Gj
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> The biggest Problems what I see are the users who get’s no notification anymore for changes in the tickets they created if @netbeans.org will not exist anymore. Now you got Information that something changed in the ticket or someone commented or whatever.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
> Von: Bertrand Delacretaz
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2017 15:07
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> ...Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should
>> *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>
> IMO all that information on mailing lists should be under
> http://netbeans.apache.org/ at a permanent URL.
>
> See http://sling.apache.org/project-information.html#mailing-lists for
> an example, though there's room for improvement there, like what Ate
> mentions about using lists.a.o for browsing.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
There's a mailing list that can be subscribed to for all Apache
NetBeans GitHub notifications:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-15695
Gj
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
> The biggest Problems what I see are the users who get’s no notification anymore for changes in the tickets they created if @netbeans.org will not exist anymore. Now you got Information that something changed in the ticket or someone commented or whatever.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
> Von: Bertrand Delacretaz
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2017 15:07
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> ...Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should
>> *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>
> IMO all that information on mailing lists should be under
> http://netbeans.apache.org/ at a permanent URL.
>
> See http://sling.apache.org/project-information.html#mailing-lists for
> an example, though there's room for improvement there, like what Ate
> mentions about using lists.a.o for browsing.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Satya Prakash Dhal <sp...@gmail.com>.
unsubscribe me
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> The biggest Problems what I see are the users who get’s no notification
> anymore for changes in the tickets they created if @netbeans.org will not
> exist anymore. Now you got Information that something changed in the ticket
> or someone commented or whatever.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
> Von: Bertrand Delacretaz
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2017 15:07
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> > ...Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
> should
> > *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
> > users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>
> IMO all that information on mailing lists should be under
> http://netbeans.apache.org/ at a permanent URL.
>
> See http://sling.apache.org/project-information.html#mailing-lists for
> an example, though there's room for improvement there, like what Ate
> mentions about using lists.a.o for browsing.
>
> -Bertrand
>
>
AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
The biggest Problems what I see are the users who get’s no notification anymore for changes in the tickets they created if @netbeans.org will not exist anymore. Now you got Information that something changed in the ticket or someone commented or whatever.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Bertrand Delacretaz
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2017 15:07
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> ...Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should
> *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
IMO all that information on mailing lists should be under
http://netbeans.apache.org/ at a permanent URL.
See http://sling.apache.org/project-information.html#mailing-lists for
an example, though there's room for improvement there, like what Ate
mentions about using lists.a.o for browsing.
-Bertrand
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> ...Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should
> *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
IMO all that information on mailing lists should be under
http://netbeans.apache.org/ at a permanent URL.
See http://sling.apache.org/project-information.html#mailing-lists for
an example, though there's room for improvement there, like what Ate
mentions about using lists.a.o for browsing.
-Bertrand
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:16 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> I think it is a step back but ok to remove the forum. Sure we have maling
> lists,
>
Also the old mailing lists and forums are synced together .. badly! I'm
not sure the number of threads on the forums is a good picture of how
active they've actually been.
Best wishes,
Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...You could request a VM and set up something
> forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :)...
But then the burden of maintaining the forum software is on the PMC,
right? Which distracts from their primary mission...
-Bertrand
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
OK, today's the day the announcement re the end of the NetBeans.org mailing
lists is going to go out.
Where the announcement will be sent is listed on the same page as where the
announcement itself is described:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
For the announcement to the NetBeans.org mailing lists, we're going to put
the e-mail address of all the NetBeans.org mailing lists in the BCC of the
e-mail and then send it in one go to all of them -- no doubt annoying some
percentage of the community, though in the end it's critical that this
message is communicated, we're still getting heaps of e-mails daily in all
kinds of NetBeans.org mailing lists and that has to stop. Better to get the
message across while annoying some people than to not have communicated
this clearly enough.
And then there'll still be some who won't have got the message and will be
annoyed later -- again, the price we pay for being in a project with a 20+
year history with a massive worldwide community, many of whom are simply
using NetBeans without being aware at all of the transition to Apache
despite our numerous attempts to communicate this.
Gj
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 11/27/2017 03:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> ...You could request a VM and set up something
> >> forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :)..
> >
> > Also, IIUC the ponymail archive at lists.apache.org [1] can be used as
> > a kind of forum, without requiring mailing list subscriptions?
> >
> > Daniel, do you know of other Apache projects actively promoting that,
> > and how well that works for users?
>
> I don't know, but I know plenty of people who personally use it as a
> sort of forum. It does imitate a forum and allows replying via web, so
> it could be a replacement :) We could try promoting it as a forum
> replacement.
>
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?users@netbeans.apache.org
> >
>
>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 11/27/2017 03:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...You could request a VM and set up something
>> forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :)..
>
> Also, IIUC the ponymail archive at lists.apache.org [1] can be used as
> a kind of forum, without requiring mailing list subscriptions?
>
> Daniel, do you know of other Apache projects actively promoting that,
> and how well that works for users?
I don't know, but I know plenty of people who personally use it as a
sort of forum. It does imitate a forum and allows replying via web, so
it could be a replacement :) We could try promoting it as a forum
replacement.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?users@netbeans.apache.org
>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...You could request a VM and set up something
> forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :)..
Also, IIUC the ponymail archive at lists.apache.org [1] can be used as
a kind of forum, without requiring mailing list subscriptions?
Daniel, do you know of other Apache projects actively promoting that,
and how well that works for users?
-Bertrand
[1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?users@netbeans.apache.org
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 11/27/2017 03:19 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Right, great. My feeling from other Apache projects is that they're doing
> fine without forums -- if that's what we need to do to fit in with Apache,
> that's a very small price to pay, I think.
While forums are not usually a thing, it's not impossible to get it.
OpenOffice runs forums. You could request a VM and set up something
forum-ish there if need be. Something to consider :)
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Geertjan,
>>
>> I think it is a step back but ok to remove the forum. Sure we have maling
>> lists, Slack, stackoverflow but to have a forum should not be a Problem
>> today.
>>
>> Anyway, we can discuss it on a new thread if necessary. Only to let you
>> know, what I think and what I see. Forums around the world still active and
>> are made for users and user questions. But as I said, if necessary, we can
>> dicuss it on an other thread.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>
>> Von: Geertjan Wielenga
>> Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 15:12
>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I feel your pain. :-) However, we are going to simply have to compromise in
>> some areas -- and one of these is the forums. Moving to a foundation like
>> Apache means compromising on some points and compromising means sometimes
>> not getting what you would ideally want. So far, we have everything plus
>> more in many areas. Apache has been immensely supportive and the help we've
>> been given has been far more than I had expected. So, now it's our turn to
>> compromise -- no forums.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an
>>> Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask
>>> questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no
>>> replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to
>> Apache
>>> too?
>>>
>>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>>
>>> Von: Geertjan Wielenga
>>> Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03
>>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>>>
>>> OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org
>>> mailing lists:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
>>>
>>> There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not
>>> everyone will read all of it. :-)
>>>
>>> We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum,
>>> we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article
>> on
>>> JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook.
>>>
>>> And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks --
>> at
>>> some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll
>>> still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and
>>> that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive
>>> worldwide community.
>>>
>>> Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for
>>> final feedback and then we'll send it out after that.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský <jiri.kovalsky@oracle.com
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz <
>> christian.lenz@gmx.net
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at
>>>>>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA,
>>>>>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for
>>> changes
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the tickets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the
>>>>> mailing list discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> -Jirka
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET
>>>>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53
>>>>>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The email looks good to me.
>>>>>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted
>>>>>> along the same lines?
>>>>>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>> <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all
>> the
>>> @
>>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided
>> in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thread incorporated into it:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
>>>>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC
>>>>>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2
>>>>>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7
>>>>>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
>>>>>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
>>>>>>>>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or
>>> dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good point, thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the
>> mail
>>>>>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint.
>>>>>>>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1
>>>>>>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3Iehh
>>>>>>>>> QKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
>>>>>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> html?users@netbeans.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.a
>>>>>>>>> pache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=R
>>>>>>>>> oP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3I
>>>>>>>>> ehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
>>>>>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=i4tEiAOWrUEYwPVraLIK8UnTRlZ3YK9hSdQg0xH5gtY&e=
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website,
>>> but
>>>>>>>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at
>> netbeans.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> users easily will get lost.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
>>>>>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_How-2Bto-2BParticipate
>>>>>>>> &d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_
>>>>>>>> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn
>>>>>>>> 9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=5BYp11L_3jCM_daAFMyiR8AmZX2A8m
>>>>>>>> 3KydznZXgUGxo&e=
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
>>>>>>>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform
>>> releases...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ate
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> netbeans.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who
>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we
>>>>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mailing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lists and Forum"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Text:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation
>>> process,
>>>>>>>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache
>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache
>>> NetBeans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of
>> January
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1st,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
>>>>>>>>>>> archived
>>>>>>>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org
>> will,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> lists,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev
>> (
>>>>>>>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>>>>>>>>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for
>>>>>>>>>> Java,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well
>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications,
>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing
>> list, a
>>>>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The
>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>>>>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working
>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>>>>>>>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>>>>>>>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement
>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists,
>> you’re
>>>>>>>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all
>> the @
>>>>>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gj and Jirka
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ludovic
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu
>>>>>> si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..."
>>>>>> Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup)
>>>>>> [The shapes that differenciate beings are not important
>>>>>> if their thoughts unite to build a universe]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Right, great. My feeling from other Apache projects is that they're doing
fine without forums -- if that's what we need to do to fit in with Apache,
that's a very small price to pay, I think.
Gj
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> Hi Geertjan,
>
> I think it is a step back but ok to remove the forum. Sure we have maling
> lists, Slack, stackoverflow but to have a forum should not be a Problem
> today.
>
> Anyway, we can discuss it on a new thread if necessary. Only to let you
> know, what I think and what I see. Forums around the world still active and
> are made for users and user questions. But as I said, if necessary, we can
> dicuss it on an other thread.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>
> Von: Geertjan Wielenga
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 15:12
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I feel your pain. :-) However, we are going to simply have to compromise in
> some areas -- and one of these is the forums. Moving to a foundation like
> Apache means compromising on some points and compromising means sometimes
> not getting what you would ideally want. So far, we have everything plus
> more in many areas. Apache has been immensely supportive and the help we've
> been given has been far more than I had expected. So, now it's our turn to
> compromise -- no forums.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an
> > Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask
> > questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no
> > replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to
> Apache
> > too?
> >
> > Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> >
> > Von: Geertjan Wielenga
> > Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03
> > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
> >
> > OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org
> > mailing lists:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
> >
> > There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not
> > everyone will read all of it. :-)
> >
> > We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum,
> > we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article
> on
> > JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook.
> >
> > And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks --
> at
> > some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll
> > still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and
> > that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive
> > worldwide community.
> >
> > Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for
> > final feedback and then we'll send it out after that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský <jiri.kovalsky@oracle.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
> > >
> > >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz <
> christian.lenz@gmx.net
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at
> > >>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA,
> > >>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for
> > changes
> > >>> in
> > >>> the tickets.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the
> > >> mailing list discussion.
> > >>
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > -Jirka
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >>>
> > >>> Chris
> > >>>
> > >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> > >>>
> > >>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET
> > >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53
> > >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
> > >>>
> > >>> The email looks good to me.
> > >>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted
> > >>> along the same lines?
> > >>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?)
> > >>>
> > >>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga
> > >>> <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all
> the
> > @
> > >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided
> in
> > >>>>
> > >>> this
> > >>>
> > >>>> thread incorporated into it:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
> > >>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC
> > >>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2
> > >>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7
> > >>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e=
> > >>>>
> > >>> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Gj
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > >>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
> > >>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
> > >>>>>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or
> > dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> org
> > >>>
> > >>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Good point, thanks.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the
> mail
> > >>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint.
> > >>>>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1
> > >>>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3Iehh
> > >>>>>> QKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
> > >>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> html?users@netbeans.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>>> and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.a
> > >>>>>> pache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=R
> > >>>>>> oP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3I
> > >>>>>> ehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
> > >>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=i4tEiAOWrUEYwPVraLIK8UnTRlZ3YK9hSdQg0xH5gtY&e=
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website,
> > but
> > >>>>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at
> netbeans.apache.org
> > >>>>>> new
> > >>>>>> users easily will get lost.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
> > >>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_How-2Bto-2BParticipate
> > >>>>> &d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_
> > >>>>> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn
> > >>>>> 9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=5BYp11L_3jCM_daAFMyiR8AmZX2A8m
> > >>>>> 3KydznZXgUGxo&e=
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Gj
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> because
> > >>>
> > >>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
> > >>>>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform
> > releases...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ate
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi all,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> mailing
> > >>>
> > >>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> netbeans.org
> > >>>
> > >>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> on
> > >>>
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who
> > have
> > >>>>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we
> > >>>>>>> send
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning
> > of
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> next
> > >>>
> > >>>> week.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Mailing
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>> Lists and Forum"
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Text:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation
> > process,
> > >>>>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> already.
> > >>>
> > >>>> You
> > >>>>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache
> > for
> > >>>>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache
> > NetBeans.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of
> January
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 1st,
> > >>>
> > >>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
> > >>>>>>>> archived
> > >>>>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org
> will,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> where
> > >>>
> > >>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> lists,
> > >>>
> > >>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev
> (
> > >>>>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
> > >>>>>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for
> > >>>>>>> Java,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well
> as
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> those
> > >>>
> > >>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications,
> will
> > >>>>>>>> use
> > >>>>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out
> > >>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>> too
> > >>>>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing
> list, a
> > >>>>>>>> separate
> > >>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The
> Apache
> > >>>>>>>> NetBeans
> > >>>>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working
> > on
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>
> > >>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
> > >>>>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
> > >>>>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement
> > for
> > >>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists,
> you’re
> > >>>>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to
> > the
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> @
> > >>>
> > >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Kind regards,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all
> the @
> > >>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Gj and Jirka
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Ludovic
> > >>> -----------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu
> > >>> si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..."
> > >>> Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup)
> > >>> [The shapes that differenciate beings are not important
> > >>> if their thoughts unite to build a universe]
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
>
AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Hi Geertjan,
I think it is a step back but ok to remove the forum. Sure we have maling lists, Slack, stackoverflow but to have a forum should not be a Problem today.
Anyway, we can discuss it on a new thread if necessary. Only to let you know, what I think and what I see. Forums around the world still active and are made for users and user questions. But as I said, if necessary, we can dicuss it on an other thread.
Cheers
Chris
Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 15:12
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Hi Chris,
I feel your pain. :-) However, we are going to simply have to compromise in
some areas -- and one of these is the forums. Moving to a foundation like
Apache means compromising on some points and compromising means sometimes
not getting what you would ideally want. So far, we have everything plus
more in many areas. Apache has been immensely supportive and the help we've
been given has been far more than I had expected. So, now it's our turn to
compromise -- no forums.
Gj
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an
> Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask
> questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no
> replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to Apache
> too?
>
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>
> Von: Geertjan Wielenga
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>
> OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org
> mailing lists:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
>
> There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not
> everyone will read all of it. :-)
>
> We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum,
> we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article on
> JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook.
>
> And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- at
> some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll
> still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and
> that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive
> worldwide community.
>
> Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for
> final feedback and then we'll send it out after that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at
> >>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA,
> >>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for
> changes
> >>> in
> >>> the tickets.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the
> >> mailing list discussion.
> >>
> >
> > +1
> >
> > -Jirka
> >
> > Cheers
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> >>>
> >>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET
> >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53
> >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
> >>>
> >>> The email looks good to me.
> >>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted
> >>> along the same lines?
> >>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?)
> >>>
> >>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga
> >>> <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the
> @
> >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in
> >>>>
> >>> this
> >>>
> >>>> thread incorporated into it:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
> >>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC
> >>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2
> >>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7
> >>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e=
> >>>>
> >>> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Gj
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
> >>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
> >>>>>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or
> dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> org
> >>>
> >>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good point, thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
> >>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint.
> >>>>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1
> >>>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3Iehh
> >>>>>> QKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
> >>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> html?users@netbeans.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>> and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.a
> >>>>>> pache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=R
> >>>>>> oP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3I
> >>>>>> ehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
> >>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=i4tEiAOWrUEYwPVraLIK8UnTRlZ3YK9hSdQg0xH5gtY&e=
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website,
> but
> >>>>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org
> >>>>>> new
> >>>>>> users easily will get lost.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
> >>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_How-2Bto-2BParticipate
> >>>>> &d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_
> >>>>> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn
> >>>>> 9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=5BYp11L_3jCM_daAFMyiR8AmZX2A8m
> >>>>> 3KydznZXgUGxo&e=
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gj
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> because
> >>>
> >>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
> >>>>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform
> releases...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ate
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> mailing
> >>>
> >>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> netbeans.org
> >>>
> >>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> on
> >>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who
> have
> >>>>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we
> >>>>>>> send
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning
> of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> next
> >>>
> >>>> week.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mailing
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Lists and Forum"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Text:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation
> process,
> >>>>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> already.
> >>>
> >>>> You
> >>>>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache
> for
> >>>>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache
> NetBeans.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1st,
> >>>
> >>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
> >>>>>>>> archived
> >>>>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> where
> >>>
> >>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> lists,
> >>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
> >>>>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
> >>>>>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for
> >>>>>>> Java,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> those
> >>>
> >>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will
> >>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> too
> >>>>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
> >>>>>>>> separate
> >>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
> >>>>>>>> NetBeans
> >>>>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working
> on
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>
> >>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
> >>>>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
> >>>>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement
> for
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
> >>>>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to
> the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> @
> >>>
> >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
> >>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gj and Jirka
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Ludovic
> >>> -----------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu
> >>> si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..."
> >>> Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup)
> >>> [The shapes that differenciate beings are not important
> >>> if their thoughts unite to build a universe]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Hi Chris,
I feel your pain. :-) However, we are going to simply have to compromise in
some areas -- and one of these is the forums. Moving to a foundation like
Apache means compromising on some points and compromising means sometimes
not getting what you would ideally want. So far, we have everything plus
more in many areas. Apache has been immensely supportive and the help we've
been given has been far more than I had expected. So, now it's our turn to
compromise -- no forums.
Gj
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an
> Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask
> questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no
> replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to Apache
> too?
>
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>
> Von: Geertjan Wielenga
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>
> OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org
> mailing lists:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
>
> There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not
> everyone will read all of it. :-)
>
> We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum,
> we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article on
> JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook.
>
> And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- at
> some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll
> still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and
> that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive
> worldwide community.
>
> Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for
> final feedback and then we'll send it out after that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at
> >>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA,
> >>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for
> changes
> >>> in
> >>> the tickets.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the
> >> mailing list discussion.
> >>
> >
> > +1
> >
> > -Jirka
> >
> > Cheers
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
> >>>
> >>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET
> >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53
> >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
> >>>
> >>> The email looks good to me.
> >>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted
> >>> along the same lines?
> >>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?)
> >>>
> >>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga
> >>> <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the
> @
> >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in
> >>>>
> >>> this
> >>>
> >>>> thread incorporated into it:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
> >>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC
> >>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2
> >>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7
> >>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e=
> >>>>
> >>> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Gj
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
> >>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
> >>>>>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or
> dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> org
> >>>
> >>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good point, thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
> >>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint.
> >>>>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1
> >>>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3Iehh
> >>>>>> QKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
> >>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> html?users@netbeans.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>> and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.a
> >>>>>> pache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=R
> >>>>>> oP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3I
> >>>>>> ehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
> >>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=i4tEiAOWrUEYwPVraLIK8UnTRlZ3YK9hSdQg0xH5gtY&e=
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website,
> but
> >>>>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org
> >>>>>> new
> >>>>>> users easily will get lost.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
> >>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_How-2Bto-2BParticipate
> >>>>> &d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_
> >>>>> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn
> >>>>> 9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=5BYp11L_3jCM_daAFMyiR8AmZX2A8m
> >>>>> 3KydznZXgUGxo&e=
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gj
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> because
> >>>
> >>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
> >>>>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform
> releases...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ate
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> mailing
> >>>
> >>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> netbeans.org
> >>>
> >>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> on
> >>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who
> have
> >>>>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we
> >>>>>>> send
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning
> of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> next
> >>>
> >>>> week.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mailing
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Lists and Forum"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Text:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation
> process,
> >>>>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> already.
> >>>
> >>>> You
> >>>>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache
> for
> >>>>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache
> NetBeans.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1st,
> >>>
> >>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
> >>>>>>>> archived
> >>>>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> where
> >>>
> >>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> lists,
> >>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
> >>>>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
> >>>>>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for
> >>>>>>> Java,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> those
> >>>
> >>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will
> >>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> too
> >>>>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
> >>>>>>>> separate
> >>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
> >>>>>>>> NetBeans
> >>>>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working
> on
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>
> >>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
> >>>>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
> >>>>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement
> for
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
> >>>>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to
> the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> @
> >>>
> >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
> >>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gj and Jirka
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Ludovic
> >>> -----------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu
> >>> si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..."
> >>> Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup)
> >>> [The shapes that differenciate beings are not important
> >>> if their thoughts unite to build a universe]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
I read the text and IMHO to not have a Forum is in my perspective not an Option. As you can see the Forum is still active, for the users you ask questions. Not everyone will join the Mailing lists. If there is no replacement in Apache, is there a Problem to move the Forum over to Apache too?
Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2017 14:03
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org
mailing lists:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not
everyone will read all of it. :-)
We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum,
we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article on
JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook.
And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- at
some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll
still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and
that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive
worldwide community.
Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for
final feedback and then we'll send it out after that.
Thanks,
Gj
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
wrote:
> Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at
>>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA,
>>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for changes
>>> in
>>> the tickets.
>>>
>>
>> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the
>> mailing list discussion.
>>
>
> +1
>
> -Jirka
>
> Cheers
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>>
>>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53
>>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>>>
>>> The email looks good to me.
>>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted
>>> along the same lines?
>>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?)
>>>
>>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga
>>> <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @
>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in
>>>>
>>> this
>>>
>>>> thread incorporated into it:
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC
>>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2
>>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7
>>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e=
>>>>
>>> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
>>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
>>>>>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.
>>>>>>
>>>>> org
>>>
>>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
>>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint.
>>>>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1
>>>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3Iehh
>>>>>> QKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
>>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=.
>>>>>>
>>>>> html?users@netbeans.apache.org
>>>
>>>> and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.a
>>>>>> pache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=R
>>>>>> oP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3I
>>>>>> ehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
>>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=i4tEiAOWrUEYwPVraLIK8UnTRlZ3YK9hSdQg0xH5gtY&e=
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but
>>>>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> users easily will get lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
>>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_How-2Bto-2BParticipate
>>>>> &d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_
>>>>> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn
>>>>> 9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=5BYp11L_3jCM_daAFMyiR8AmZX2A8m
>>>>> 3KydznZXgUGxo&e=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also
>>>>>>
>>>>> because
>>>
>>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
>>>>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mailing
>>>
>>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> netbeans.org
>>>
>>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>
>>>> the
>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
>>>>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we
>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> next
>>>
>>>> week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mailing
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Lists and Forum"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Text:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>>>>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> already.
>>>
>>>> You
>>>>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>>>>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1st,
>>>
>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
>>>>>>>> archived
>>>>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> where
>>>
>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lists,
>>>
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>>>>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>>>>>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for
>>>>>>> Java,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> those
>>>
>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
>>>>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>>>>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>>>>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>>>>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @
>>>
>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
>>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gj and Jirka
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ludovic
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu
>>> si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..."
>>> Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup)
>>> [The shapes that differenciate beings are not important
>>> if their thoughts unite to build a universe]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
OK, here's the final draft of the e-mail we'll send to all NetBeans.org
mailing lists:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
There's a danger that at may end up being too long and so maybe not
everyone will read all of it. :-)
We'll send it to all NetBeans.org mailing lists, to the NetBeans forum,
we'll make an announcement on NetBeans.org, we'll post it as an article on
JAXenter, we'll tweet it, we'll put it on Facebook.
And we'll repeat it all over again a few times in the upcoming weeks -- at
some point, we'll have done all we can to announce this and then there'll
still be those that didn't get the news. But we'll have done our best and
that's the price we pay for working on an awesome project with a massive
worldwide community.
Feedback still welcome, from this point we're going to wait 24 hours for
final feedback and then we'll send it out after that.
Thanks,
Gj
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
wrote:
> Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at
>>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA,
>>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for changes
>>> in
>>> the tickets.
>>>
>>
>> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the
>> mailing list discussion.
>>
>
> +1
>
> -Jirka
>
> Cheers
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>>
>>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53
>>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>>>
>>> The email looks good to me.
>>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted
>>> along the same lines?
>>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?)
>>>
>>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga
>>> <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @
>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in
>>>>
>>> this
>>>
>>>> thread incorporated into it:
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXC
>>>> gaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2
>>>> xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7
>>>> vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e=
>>>>
>>> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
>>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
>>>>>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.
>>>>>>
>>>>> org
>>>
>>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
>>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint.
>>>>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1
>>>>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3Iehh
>>>>>> QKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
>>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=.
>>>>>>
>>>>> html?users@netbeans.apache.org
>>>
>>>> and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.a
>>>>>> pache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=R
>>>>>> oP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3I
>>>>>> ehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-
>>>>>> HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=i4tEiAOWrUEYwPVraLIK8UnTRlZ3YK9hSdQg0xH5gtY&e=
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but
>>>>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> users easily will get lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a
>>>>> pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_How-2Bto-2BParticipate
>>>>> &d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_
>>>>> Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn
>>>>> 9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=5BYp11L_3jCM_daAFMyiR8AmZX2A8m
>>>>> 3KydznZXgUGxo&e=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also
>>>>>>
>>>>> because
>>>
>>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
>>>>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mailing
>>>
>>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> netbeans.org
>>>
>>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>
>>>> the
>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
>>>>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we
>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> next
>>>
>>>> week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mailing
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Lists and Forum"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Text:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>>>>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> already.
>>>
>>>> You
>>>>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>>>>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1st,
>>>
>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
>>>>>>>> archived
>>>>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> where
>>>
>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lists,
>>>
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>>>>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>>>>>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for
>>>>>>> Java,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> those
>>>
>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
>>>>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>>>>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>>>>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>>>>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @
>>>
>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
>>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gj and Jirka
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ludovic
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu
>>> si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..."
>>> Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup)
>>> [The shapes that differenciate beings are not important
>>> if their thoughts unite to build a universe]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>.
Dne 27.11.2017 v 11:28 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a):
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
>> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at
>> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA,
>> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for changes in
>> the tickets.
>
> I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the
> mailing list discussion.
+1
-Jirka
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>
>> Von: Ludovic HOCHET
>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53
>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>>
>> The email looks good to me.
>> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted
>> along the same lines?
>> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?)
>>
>> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga
>> <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @
>>> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in
>> this
>>> thread incorporated into it:
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=c4LEwe0c9UXCCKrlH02S2BBrFxAx7c33tC58IQt1j1w&e=
>> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
>>>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
>>>>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.
>> org
>>>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good point, thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
>>>>> archives via https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=TdXSUCVKlyVmiqXLGBNknsAI6VfjHKHJL4mHm_tL-e8&e=.
>> html?users@netbeans.apache.org
>>>>> and https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_list.html-3Fdev-40netbeans.apache.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=i4tEiAOWrUEYwPVraLIK8UnTRlZ3YK9hSdQg0xH5gtY&e=
>>>>>
>>>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but
>>>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new
>>>>> users easily will get lost.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_How-2Bto-2BParticipate&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=YuzFPS_ApwhHqUkn9ls1w4wDta9-HVgK_945Y7vvOgU&s=5BYp11L_3jCM_daAFMyiR8AmZX2A8m3KydznZXgUGxo&e=
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also
>> because
>>>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
>>>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ate
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org
>> mailing
>>>>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other
>> netbeans.org
>>>>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans
>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
>>>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of
>> next
>>>>>> week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org
>> Mailing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lists and Forum"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Text:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>>>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git
>> already.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>>>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January
>> 1st,
>>>>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
>>>>>>> archived
>>>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will,
>> where
>>>>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing
>> lists,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>>>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>>>>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
>>>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as
>> those
>>>>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
>>>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on
>> the
>>>>>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>>>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>>>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>>>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the
>> @
>>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
>>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gj and Jirka
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ludovic
>> -----------------------------------------
>>
>> "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu
>> si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..."
>> Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup)
>> [The shapes that differenciate beings are not important
>> if their thoughts unite to build a universe]
>>
>>
>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at
> least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA,
> because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for changes in
> the tickets.
>
I think we should keep the discussion re bug tracker separate from the
mailing list discussion.
Gj
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>
> Von: Ludovic HOCHET
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
>
> The email looks good to me.
> By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted
> along the same lines?
> (remove the direct mails and point to the archives?)
>
> On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @
> > netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in
> this
> > thread incorporated into it:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
> >>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
> >>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.
> org
> >>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Good point, thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
> >>> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.
> html?users@netbeans.apache.org
> >>> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@netbeans.apache.org
> >>>
> >>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but
> >>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new
> >>> users easily will get lost.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
> >>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also
> because
> >>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
> >>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases...
> >>>
> >>> Ate
> >>>
> >>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org
> mailing
> >>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other
> netbeans.org
> >>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans
> on
> >>>> the
> >>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
> >>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send
> >>>> the
> >>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of
> next
> >>>> week.
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org
> Mailing
> >>>>
> >>>>> Lists and Forum"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Text:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
> >>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git
> already.
> >>>>> You
> >>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
> >>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January
> 1st,
> >>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
> >>>>> archived
> >>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will,
> where
> >>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing
> lists,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
> >>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
> >>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
> >>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as
> those
> >>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will
> >>>>> use
> >>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that
> >>>>> too
> >>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
> >>>>> separate
> >>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
> >>>>> NetBeans
> >>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on
> the
> >>>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
> >>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
> >>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
> >>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the
> @
> >>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
> >>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Gj and Jirka
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Ludovic
> -----------------------------------------
>
> "Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu
> si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..."
> Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup)
> [The shapes that differenciate beings are not important
> if their thoughts unite to build a universe]
>
>
AW: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
IMHO it would be better to Keep the Mailing list until everyone or at least we, migrated all or most of the tickets from bugzilla to JIRA, because the users from the Mailing lists, gets notifications for changes in the tickets.
Cheers
Chris
Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
Von: Ludovic HOCHET
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2017 17:53
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
The email looks good to me.
By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted
along the same lines?
(remove the direct mails and point to the archives?)
On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @
> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in this
> thread incorporated into it:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
>>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Good point, thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
>>> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?users@netbeans.apache.org
>>> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@netbeans.apache.org
>>>
>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but
>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new
>>> users easily will get lost.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because
>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases...
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing
>>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org
>>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on
>>>> the
>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send
>>>> the
>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next
>>>> week.
>>>>
>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
>>>>
>>>>> Lists and Forum"
>>>>>
>>>>> Text:
>>>>>
>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already.
>>>>> You
>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>>>>
>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st,
>>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
>>>>> archived
>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where
>>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists,
>>>>> and
>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those
>>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will
>>>>> use
>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that
>>>>> too
>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
>>>>> separate
>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the
>>>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for
>>>>> that
>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj and Jirka
>>>>
>>>>
>>
--
Ludovic
-----------------------------------------
"Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu
si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..."
Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup)
[The shapes that differenciate beings are not important
if their thoughts unite to build a universe]
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Ludovic HOCHET <lh...@gmail.com>.
The email looks good to me.
By the way, should the README.md "Get in touch" section be adjusted
along the same lines?
(remove the direct mails and point to the archives?)
On 26 November 2017 at 11:19, Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @
> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in this
> thread incorporated into it:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
>>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Good point, thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
>>> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?users@netbeans.apache.org
>>> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@netbeans.apache.org
>>>
>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but
>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new
>>> users easily will get lost.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because
>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases...
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing
>>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org
>>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on
>>>> the
>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send
>>>> the
>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next
>>>> week.
>>>>
>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
>>>>
>>>>> Lists and Forum"
>>>>>
>>>>> Text:
>>>>>
>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already.
>>>>> You
>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>>>>
>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st,
>>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
>>>>> archived
>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where
>>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists,
>>>>> and
>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those
>>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will
>>>>> use
>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that
>>>>> too
>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
>>>>> separate
>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the
>>>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for
>>>>> that
>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj and Jirka
>>>>
>>>>
>>
--
Ludovic
-----------------------------------------
"Les formes qui differencient les etres importent peu
si leur pensees s'unissent pour batir un univers..."
Yoko Tsuno (in 'Les titans' by Roger Leloup)
[The shapes that differenciate beings are not important
if their thoughts unite to build a universe]
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>.
The email looks good. The end of an era for sure...but just the beginning of a new one.
Josh Juneau
> On Nov 26, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @
> netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in this
> thread incorporated into it:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
>>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
>>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
>>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Good point, thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
>>> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?users@netbeans.apache.org
>>> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@netbeans.apache.org
>>>
>>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but
>>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new
>>> users easily will get lost.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because
>>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
>>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases...
>>>
>>> Ate
>>>
>>>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing
>>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org
>>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on
>>>> the
>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
>>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send
>>>> the
>>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next
>>>> week.
>>>>
>>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
>>>>
>>>>> Lists and Forum"
>>>>>
>>>>> Text:
>>>>>
>>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already.
>>>>> You
>>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>>>>
>>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st,
>>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
>>>>> archived
>>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where
>>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists,
>>>>> and
>>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
>>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those
>>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will
>>>>> use
>>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that
>>>>> too
>>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
>>>>> separate
>>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the
>>>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for
>>>>> that
>>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
>>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj and Jirka
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Here is the e-mail that will be sent out during this week, to all the @
netbeans.org mailing lists, with the edits and additions provided in this
thread incorporated into it:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Ending+of+@netbeans.org+mailing+lists
Thanks,
Gj
On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>
>> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
>> should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
>> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
>> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>>
>
>
> Good point, thanks.
>
>
>
>> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
>> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?users@netbeans.apache.org
>> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@netbeans.apache.org
>>
>> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but
>> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new
>> users easily will get lost.
>>
>
>
> Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>>
>> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because
>> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
>> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases...
>>
>> Ate
>>
>> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing
>>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org
>>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on
>>> the
>>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
>>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send
>>> the
>>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next
>>> week.
>>>
>>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
>>>
>>>> Lists and Forum"
>>>>
>>>> Text:
>>>>
>>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already.
>>>> You
>>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>>>
>>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st,
>>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are
>>>> archived
>>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where
>>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists,
>>>> and
>>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
>>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those
>>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will
>>>> use
>>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that
>>>> too
>>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
>>>> separate
>>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
>>>> NetBeans
>>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the
>>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for
>>>> that
>>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>>>
>>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
>>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
>>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gj and Jirka
>>>
>>>
>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list should
> *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
> users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
>
Good point, thanks.
> Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
> archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?users@netbeans.apache.org
> and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@netbeans.apache.org
>
> All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but
> as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new
> users easily will get lost.
>
Yup. In the meantime, and in addition, this is also listed here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
Gj
>
> I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because
> otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
> links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases...
>
> Ate
>
> On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing
>> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org
>> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on
>> the
>> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
>> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the
>> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next
>> week.
>>
>> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
>>
>>> Lists and Forum"
>>>
>>> Text:
>>>
>>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already.
>>> You
>>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>>
>>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st,
>>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived
>>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where
>>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists,
>>> and
>>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
>>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those
>>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use
>>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too
>>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a
>>> separate
>>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache
>>> NetBeans
>>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the
>>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>>
>>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that
>>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>>
>>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
>>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
>> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gj and Jirka
>>
>>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
Please add wording that users migrating to the users@ or dev@ list
should *subscribe* to those lists by sending an empty email to
users-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org or dev-subscribe@netbeans.apache.org
otherwise we (moderators) will get swamped...
Maybe also helpful to remark that you can anonymously browse the mail
archives via https://lists.apache.org/list.html?users@netbeans.apache.org
and https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@netbeans.apache.org
All this typically is/should be documented already on the website, but
as we don't have any real (ASF) content yet at netbeans.apache.org new
users easily will get lost.
I think the website really needs to get priority attention, also because
otherwise there is no place to communicate and provide the download
links for the current HTML/Java API and upcoming platform releases...
Ate
On 2017-11-23 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing
> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org
> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the
> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the
> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next
> week.
>
> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
>> Lists and Forum"
>>
>> Text:
>>
>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. You
>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>
>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st,
>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived
>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where
>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, and
>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>
>
>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those
>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use
>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too
>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a separate
>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache NetBeans
>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the
>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>
>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that
>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>
>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>
>
>
> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj and Jirka
>
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Fabrizio Giudici <Fa...@tidalwave.it>.
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 12:17:47 +0100, Delfi Ramirez
<de...@delfiramirez.info> wrote:
> +1
+1
--
Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s.
"We make Java work. Everywhere."
http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giudici@tidalwave.it
Re: Ending the @netbeans.org mailing lists.
Posted by Delfi Ramirez <de...@delfiramirez.info>.
+1
On 23/11/2017 12:06, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We should, at some stage, put an end to the various netbeans.org mailing
> lists, e.g., nbusers@netbeans.org and the dozen or so other netbeans.org
> mailing lists and ensure that everyone asks questions about NetBeans on the
> Apache NetBeans mailing lists instead. Jiri Kovalsky and I, who have
> managed the NetBeans.org mailing lists over the years, propose we send the
> following to ALL the netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next
> week.
>
> Subject for the mail: “January 1st, 2018: End of @netbeans.org Mailing
>> Lists and Forum"
>>
>> Text:
>>
>> “If you’ve been following Oracle's Apache NetBeans donation process,
>> you’ll be aware that a large part of NetBeans is in Apache Git already. You
>> should also be aware that mailing lists are available at Apache for
>> purposes of discussing the development and usage of Apache NetBeans.
>>
>> By means of this e-mail, we’re letting you know that as of January 1st,
>> 2018, the @netbeans.org mailing lists will be deleted (they are archived
>> at netbeans.markmail.org), all references to @netbeans.org will, where
>> possible, be replaced with references to Apache NetBeans mailing lists, and
>> everyone will need to manually move to the Apache NetBeans @dev (
>> dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) and Apache NetBeans @user (
>> users@netbeans.incubator.apache.org) mailing lists.
>
>> Anyone asking questions about the usage of NetBeans, whether for Java,
>> JavaScript, C/C++, or any other language or technology, as well as those
>> using the NetBeans APIs for developing modules and applications, will use
>> the Apache NetBeans @user mailing list. If and when it turns out that too
>> many developers of one category dominate the @user mailing list, a separate
>> Apache NetBeans mailing list will be created for them. The Apache NetBeans
>> @dev mailing list is specifically for those committed to working on the
>> development of Apache NetBeans itself, as well as those committed to
>> promoting and documenting it, via events and tutorials, etc.
>>
>> Note that we will be discontinuing the web forums, i.e.,
>> forums.netbeans.org, and that in Apache there is no replacement for that
>> — Apache projects work with mailing lists only.
>>
>> Hoping to see you all on the Apache NetBeans mailing lists, you’re
>> encouraged to move there as soon as possible and to not write to the @
>> netbeans.org mailing lists anymore.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Geertjan & Jirka
>>
>
> Feedback/comments welcome. We'd like to send the above to all the @
> netbeans.org mailing lists at the beginning of next week.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj and Jirka
>