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[INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Hi All...
As per [1] kmahli started a thread proposing an OEJB G+ hangout. To
be able to do this and not to break any rules related to ASF regarding
such community interactions, I need to know who still need G+
invitations so I can send it to them ?
Looking forward to your reply.
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
- Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
"Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
than your best."
- Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
"Stay hungry, stay foolish."
- Steve Jobs
Re: [INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
Of course the discussion didn't go sour. That is just David's
interpretation of what might have happened.
Cheers
Daniel
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It certainly was not my intent to derail any use of Google+ or sour any discussions. Just clarifying who would be/could be there. Unless you're talking about it on the mailing list -- you're not talking to everyone. Face-to-face, meetups, phone, skype, social networking, etc. -- all are great. Just know that you aren't talking to the community in these settings.
>
> --kevan
>
> On Jul 16, 2011, at 5:37 PM, David Blevins wrote:
>
>> Looks like this discussion has gone sour.
>>
>> I encourage people to get in touch with each other as much as possible. Google+, Facebook, Twitter, IRC, conferences, two tin cans and a string.... All fine. All not part of the Apache process either. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them non-official.
>>
>> Obviously the dev list is the only official channel of any Apache project.
>>
>> If people want to "hangout" on Google+ I might suggest using Google+ to coordinate that.
>>
>> Feel free to send invites to the lists.
>>
>>
>> -David
>>
>
>
Re: [INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
It certainly was not my intent to derail any use of Google+ or sour any discussions. Just clarifying who would be/could be there. Unless you're talking about it on the mailing list -- you're not talking to everyone. Face-to-face, meetups, phone, skype, social networking, etc. -- all are great. Just know that you aren't talking to the community in these settings.
--kevan
On Jul 16, 2011, at 5:37 PM, David Blevins wrote:
> Looks like this discussion has gone sour.
>
> I encourage people to get in touch with each other as much as possible. Google+, Facebook, Twitter, IRC, conferences, two tin cans and a string.... All fine. All not part of the Apache process either. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them non-official.
>
> Obviously the dev list is the only official channel of any Apache project.
>
> If people want to "hangout" on Google+ I might suggest using Google+ to coordinate that.
>
> Feel free to send invites to the lists.
>
>
> -David
>
Re: [INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Wow, I was off-line for the week-end and that thread took another
direction which was not intended at all. DBlevins is correct, and as I
stated with Karan on IRC the hangout is an un-official gathering and
any thing related to decisions which might be discussed or raised
during that hangout MUST be recorded on dev@ of OEJB.
Any way, I will assume that all people involved/interested have G+
accounts, and hence I will go forward with the steps preparing for the
hangout. Next step is setting date and time. I will send a poll on
Doodle by the end of today to know which date and time are more
appropriate for the majority of all of us.
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:37 PM, David Blevins <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like this discussion has gone sour.
>
> I encourage people to get in touch with each other as much as possible. Google+, Facebook, Twitter, IRC, conferences, two tin cans and a string.... All fine. All not part of the Apache process either. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them non-official.
>
> Obviously the dev list is the only official channel of any Apache project.
>
> If people want to "hangout" on Google+ I might suggest using Google+ to coordinate that.
>
> Feel free to send invites to the lists.
>
>
> -David
>
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
- Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
"Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
than your best."
- Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
"Stay hungry, stay foolish."
- Steve Jobs
Re: [INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
Looks like this discussion has gone sour.
I encourage people to get in touch with each other as much as possible. Google+, Facebook, Twitter, IRC, conferences, two tin cans and a string.... All fine. All not part of the Apache process either. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them non-official.
Obviously the dev list is the only official channel of any Apache project.
If people want to "hangout" on Google+ I might suggest using Google+ to coordinate that.
Feel free to send invites to the lists.
-David
Re: [INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
And the whole thing as a complete writeup :)
== An attempt to make the Apache Software Foundation even more social ==
Soon after Google+ has been announced I figured that it was rushing
through the various Apache Software Foundation (ASF) channels like a
tsunami and everybody started to offer Google+ invitation some with
the intend to have Apache-related hangouts on Google+ instead of
having them on the already existing ASF-blessed communication
channels. Below you'll find my personal opinion about Google+ and why
it should NOT be used for Apache-related stuff such as community
building which hangouts certainly are.
As a remark, I'd like to add that there are people like me who simply
refuse to get a Google+ account cause it's the Nth social network I
would have to maintain (those who know me really know how thoroughly I
tend to maintain my internet presence) and cause I don't want to give
Google a 3rd chance to finally be successful with an attempt to get a
share in the social network market. Additionally Google+ is another
hog who accumulates you data, analyzes it and redistributes it and
thus makes you depend on Google+ instead of heaving freedom over what
really happens with your data. To get the idea behind that argument
please refer to Eben Moglen's [0] vision speech on this subject [1].
Instead the ASF should provide it's own implementation of Eben
Moglen's vision he had with the FreedomBox, ready-made to support the
apache "blessed" communication channels and there should be a finical
aid program for those not having free or easy access to the internet
and especially to such hardware devices similar to the ApacheCon
travel assistance program [2] that would allow people to get a hold of
such a hardware device. If an Apache committer requests such a device
it maybe could even be personalized with an Apache UID to get her
started working as an Apache community member more easily.
Additionally to be ready-made to support the official ASF
communication channels the ASF FreedomBox could provide added value
such as a distributed self-hosted social network, an IP phone
capability and a mash-routing capability in support of those ASF peeps
living in locations where it is difficult to get a reliable internet
conection. Finally the ASF FreedomBox would unobtrusively augment the
centrally deployed ASF infrastructure with the services it provides.
Look we really could live without dinosaurs such as Google and the
like if we all stand up and try to make a difference and I think I
proofed that with my idea - i.e. the proof is that we are *NOT* like
lemmings who need to follow each hype. What you might as well have
noted is the fact that the aforementioned described idea is providing
a self-contained ready-made solution and not another piece of software
that without being configured and so on behaves like an electronic
brick on your hard drive.
Resources:
[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen
[1] http://www.internetevolution.com/video.asp?section_id=1361&doc_id=207273
[2] http://www.apache.org/travel/
[3] http://youtu.be/QOEMv0S8AcA - An Eben Moglen speech supposed to be
the original inspiration for creating Diaspora
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM, dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Bold and maybe crazy statement - The ASF should provide it's own
> implementation of Eben Moglen's vision he had with the FreedomBox,
> ready-made to support the apache "blessed" communication channels and
> there should be a finical aid program for those not having free or
> easy access to the internet and especially to such hardware devices
> similar to the ApacheCon travel assistance program that would allow
> people to get a hold of such a hardware device (maybe it could even be
> personalized with an apache UID if a committer requests such a
> device). Look we really could live without dinosaurs such as Google
> and the like if we all stand up and try to make a difference and I
> think I proofed that with my idea - i.e. the proof is that we are
> *NOT* like lemmings who need to fallow each hype :D
>
> Cheers
> Daniel
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:43 PM, dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to echo what Kevan just said (it kind of relates to the
>> webinar thread started by Karan) and I'd like to add that there are
>> people like me who simply refuse to get a Google+ account cause it's
>> the Nth social network I would have to maintain (those who know me
>> really know how thoroughly I tend to maintain my internet presence)
>> and cause I don't want to give Google a 3rd chance to finally be
>> successful with an attempt to get a share in the social network
>> market.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Daniel
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Karan Malhi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mohammad,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for initiating this. Seems like everybody has a g+ account
>>>> already. Just to clarify, the hangout is for all contributors (current
>>>> and prospective) (Its not a committer only stuff).
>>>
>>> I think you can safely assume that everyone does *not* have a google+ account. Furthermore, I think you can also assume that not everyone *can* have a google+ account (even if they wanted one). And then there's the question of bandwidth for effective use of hangout. All something I'd expect the community to keep in mind, as use of hangouts is evaluated.
>>>
>>> I would expect that *anyone* would be allowed to participate: pmc, committer, contributor, or anyone who's just interested.
>>>
>>> --kevan
>>
>
Re: [INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
Bold and maybe crazy statement - The ASF should provide it's own
implementation of Eben Moglen's vision he had with the FreedomBox,
ready-made to support the apache "blessed" communication channels and
there should be a finical aid program for those not having free or
easy access to the internet and especially to such hardware devices
similar to the ApacheCon travel assistance program that would allow
people to get a hold of such a hardware device (maybe it could even be
personalized with an apache UID if a committer requests such a
device). Look we really could live without dinosaurs such as Google
and the like if we all stand up and try to make a difference and I
think I proofed that with my idea - i.e. the proof is that we are
*NOT* like lemmings who need to fallow each hype :D
Cheers
Daniel
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:43 PM, dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to echo what Kevan just said (it kind of relates to the
> webinar thread started by Karan) and I'd like to add that there are
> people like me who simply refuse to get a Google+ account cause it's
> the Nth social network I would have to maintain (those who know me
> really know how thoroughly I tend to maintain my internet presence)
> and cause I don't want to give Google a 3rd chance to finally be
> successful with an attempt to get a share in the social network
> market.
>
> Cheers
> Daniel
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Karan Malhi wrote:
>>
>>> Mohammad,
>>>
>>> Thanks for initiating this. Seems like everybody has a g+ account
>>> already. Just to clarify, the hangout is for all contributors (current
>>> and prospective) (Its not a committer only stuff).
>>
>> I think you can safely assume that everyone does *not* have a google+ account. Furthermore, I think you can also assume that not everyone *can* have a google+ account (even if they wanted one). And then there's the question of bandwidth for effective use of hangout. All something I'd expect the community to keep in mind, as use of hangouts is evaluated.
>>
>> I would expect that *anyone* would be allowed to participate: pmc, committer, contributor, or anyone who's just interested.
>>
>> --kevan
>
Re: [INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
I'd like to echo what Kevan just said (it kind of relates to the
webinar thread started by Karan) and I'd like to add that there are
people like me who simply refuse to get a Google+ account cause it's
the Nth social network I would have to maintain (those who know me
really know how thoroughly I tend to maintain my internet presence)
and cause I don't want to give Google a 3rd chance to finally be
successful with an attempt to get a share in the social network
market.
Cheers
Daniel
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Karan Malhi wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>>
>> Thanks for initiating this. Seems like everybody has a g+ account
>> already. Just to clarify, the hangout is for all contributors (current
>> and prospective) (Its not a committer only stuff).
>
> I think you can safely assume that everyone does *not* have a google+ account. Furthermore, I think you can also assume that not everyone *can* have a google+ account (even if they wanted one). And then there's the question of bandwidth for effective use of hangout. All something I'd expect the community to keep in mind, as use of hangouts is evaluated.
>
> I would expect that *anyone* would be allowed to participate: pmc, committer, contributor, or anyone who's just interested.
>
> --kevan
Re: [INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Karan Malhi wrote:
> Mohammad,
>
> Thanks for initiating this. Seems like everybody has a g+ account
> already. Just to clarify, the hangout is for all contributors (current
> and prospective) (Its not a committer only stuff).
I think you can safely assume that everyone does *not* have a google+ account. Furthermore, I think you can also assume that not everyone *can* have a google+ account (even if they wanted one). And then there's the question of bandwidth for effective use of hangout. All something I'd expect the community to keep in mind, as use of hangouts is evaluated.
I would expect that *anyone* would be allowed to participate: pmc, committer, contributor, or anyone who's just interested.
--kevan
Re: [INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Posted by Karan Malhi <ka...@gmail.com>.
Mohammad,
Thanks for initiating this. Seems like everybody has a g+ account
already. Just to clarify, the hangout is for all contributors (current
and prospective) (Its not a committer only stuff).
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <mn...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All...
>
> As per [1] kmahli started a thread proposing an OEJB G+ hangout. To
> be able to do this and not to break any rules related to ASF regarding
> such community interactions, I need to know who still need G+
> invitations so I can send it to them ?
>
> Looking forward to your reply.
>
> [1] - http://markmail.org/message/izkcx7kx4sf7q6xu
>
> NOTE: I sent this message to openejb-dev@i.a.o by mistake this is why
> it was late.
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
> - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
> - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>
> "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
> professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
> than your best."
> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
>
> "Stay hungry, stay foolish."
> - Steve Jobs
>
--
Karan Singh Malhi
twitter.com/KaranSinghMalhi
[INQUIRY] - Any body needs G+ invitations for OEJB G+ Hangout ?
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <mn...@apache.org>.
Hi All...
As per [1] kmahli started a thread proposing an OEJB G+ hangout. To
be able to do this and not to break any rules related to ASF regarding
such community interactions, I need to know who still need G+
invitations so I can send it to them ?
Looking forward to your reply.
[1] - http://markmail.org/message/izkcx7kx4sf7q6xu
NOTE: I sent this message to openejb-dev@i.a.o by mistake this is why
it was late.
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
- Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
"Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
than your best."
- Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
"Stay hungry, stay foolish."
- Steve Jobs