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Posted to user@hbase.apache.org by Thomas Koch <th...@koch.ro> on 2010/03/26 18:09:45 UTC
good, not evil and HBase package for Debian
Dear Mr. Crockford,
I'm working on a Debian package for HBase, the Database also used by Yahoo.
One dependency of hbase is agile-json[1], apparently based on your org.json
library. It also contains the phrase: "The Software shall be used for Good,
not Evil."
I've youfully watched your Videos on Javascript and advocated your style of
javascript in my company, to make the internet a better place. I'm working
voluntarily since 19 years in social and educational projects.
Please realise, that you're doing evil with your license: You're wasting my
time. I need to look around, whether this license can be accepted by Debian,
write this email to you and maybe alltogether give up on the Debian package if
it shouldn't be accepted by Debian.
Instead of wasting this time, I could do good things instead. Helping in our
brasil school project, where children from poor farmers learns to read, write
and defend their legal rights.
Please be so kind to remove the phrase from your code. Those who're realy evil
will ignore it anyhow, and those, who have a sense of responsability, like me,
are harmed by it.
[1] http://github.com/gottesmm/agile-json-2.0
Best regards,
Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro
Re: good, not evil and HBase package for Debian
Posted by Bradford Stephens <br...@gmail.com>.
I have got to start paying more attention to this list again :)
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ryan Rawson <ry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like we don't use agile json in trunk. I don't think it was
> ever used for much, should be easy to get rid of it in trunk.
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> I've opened an issue on this topic in the hbase jira:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-2383
>>
>> Thanks for asking Debian, Thomas.
>>
>> - Andy
>>
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>
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Re: good, not evil and HBase package for Debian
Posted by Ryan Rawson <ry...@gmail.com>.
Looks like we don't use agile json in trunk. I don't think it was
ever used for much, should be easy to get rid of it in trunk.
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org> wrote:
>> I've opened an issue on this topic in the hbase jira:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-2383
>
> Thanks for asking Debian, Thomas.
>
> - Andy
>
>
>
>
>
Re: good, not evil and HBase package for Debian
Posted by Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>.
> I've opened an issue on this topic in the hbase jira:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-2383
Thanks for asking Debian, Thomas.
- Andy
Re: good, not evil and HBase package for Debian
Posted by Thomas Koch <th...@koch.ro>.
Andrew Purtell:
> Hey Thomas,
>
> On Apache's legal-discuss@ list it was resolved some time ago that the
> "Good, Not Evil" phrase in the JSON license does not preclude inclusion of
> it with ASF 2.0 licensed works.
>
> ASF 2.0 licensed works are already in Debian main.
>
> I think this is a non issue but you can easily ask debian-legal@ if you
> have a lingering concern. Please see http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/
>
> - Andy
>
Hi Andy,
I got an answer from Debian-Legal a moment ago. It says, that Debian can't
accept this license as free software. There is still non-free, where org.json
could go and then HBase would go into section contrib which is for free
software that depends on non-free software.
I've opened an issue on this topic in the hbase jira:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-2383
Best regards,
Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro
Re: good, not evil and HBase package for Debian
Posted by Andrew Purtell <ap...@yahoo.com>.
Hey Thomas,
On Apache's legal-discuss@ list it was resolved some time ago that the "Good, Not Evil" phrase in the JSON license does not preclude inclusion of it with ASF 2.0 licensed works.
ASF 2.0 licensed works are already in Debian main.
I think this is a non issue but you can easily ask debian-legal@ if you have a lingering concern. Please see http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/
- Andy
Re: good, not evil and HBase package for Debian
Posted by Thomas Koch <th...@koch.ro>.
Mr. Crockford,
I'm not a native english speaker, but your short answer sounds rather rude to
me. It's a pity, that you couldn't explain me, why you consider my argument
silly.
What do you suggest me to do now?
- Don't package hbase for Debian?
- Try to convince the Debian people to accept your license?
- Patch hbase to use another json library?
- Continue to argue with you about the license?
I'd like to do good and package HBase for Debian instead of going the easy
route and just use it inhouse without packaging it.
But your license it makeing it terribly difficult for me to do something good.
To use my free time to package HBase.
Best regards,
Thomas Koch
Douglas Crockford:
> I am not persuaded by your silly argument.
>
> On 3/26/2010 10:09 AM, Thomas Koch wrote:
> > Dear Mr. Crockford,
> >
> > I'm working on a Debian package for HBase, the Database also used by
> > Yahoo. One dependency of hbase is agile-json[1], apparently based on your
> > org.json library. It also contains the phrase: "The Software shall be
> > used for Good, not Evil."
> >
> > I've youfully watched your Videos on Javascript and advocated your style
> > of javascript in my company, to make the internet a better place. I'm
> > working voluntarily since 19 years in social and educational projects.
> >
> > Please realise, that you're doing evil with your license: You're wasting
> > my time. I need to look around, whether this license can be accepted by
> > Debian, write this email to you and maybe alltogether give up on the
> > Debian package if it shouldn't be accepted by Debian.
> >
> > Instead of wasting this time, I could do good things instead. Helping in
> > our brasil school project, where children from poor farmers learns to
> > read, write and defend their legal rights.
> >
> > Please be so kind to remove the phrase from your code. Those who're realy
> > evil will ignore it anyhow, and those, who have a sense of
> > responsability, like me, are harmed by it.
> >
> > [1] http://github.com/gottesmm/agile-json-2.0
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro
>
Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro