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Posted to dev@harmony.apache.org by Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com> on 2008/03/17 15:53:26 UTC
Re: [doc] improving porting matrix for Hamony
Hi,
i finally focused on the Supported Platforms page, and created a draft
version [1]. the page consists of a table similar to old Roadmap table +
list of specific windows/linux OSes copied from the Wiki page [2] created by
Alexey Varlamov a while ago.
The info may be inaccurate or incomplete. Please respond to this mail or
edit the site directly to update. Is there anything else you wanted to add
to the topic?
[1] http://harmony.apache.org/supported_platforms.html
[2]
http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Platforms_to_Run_Harmony_Development_Kit_on
nadya
On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Oliver Deakin <ol...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> Nadya Morozova wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > iIve been getting requests to make information on supported/tested
> platforms
> > for Harmony code more prominent. AFAI understand, our major statement on
> > what platforms we work on is the Porting Matrix on the project's roadmap
> > page (somewhere nearer the end, scroll down hard) [1].
> > Do you think we could make this information more visible?
>
> Yes - to me the roadmap page doesn't seem the right place to have our
> current platform status. We should probably have some porting TODOs
> listed there, but I don't think this is the appropriate place for the
> current status to be displayed.
>
> > Creating and
> > maintaining a separate page with porting info could be helpful.
>
> Agreed. It would allow those currently working on new platform ports to
> also give some account of their status and any extra build instructions
> if they wished - although a Wiki page may be more useful for this so it
> can be easily updated. I don't have a strong opinion on how this is done.
>
> > It'd also
> > simplify translation of this info into other languages (i ran into the
> > necessity to link to porting matrix from starting pages on Russian). Yet
> > another step forward would be to relate the static info on supported
> > platforms with our testing infra.
> >
> > Please express your opinion on whether this should be done. I'd be happy
> to
> > update the site as needed.
> >
>
> If it's possible to make that table more readable, that would probably
> be a good thing too - I don't know if it's just my eyes, but I find it
> hard to see exactly which + and ? belongs to which box! Perhaps a simple
> color coding of each box would be easier to read than a "+" or "?"
> character?
>
> Thanks for volunteering to make this update!
> Regards,
> Oliver
>
>
> > [1] http://harmony.apache.org/roadmap.html#Porting Matrix
> >
> >
>
> --
> Oliver Deakin
> Unless stated otherwise above:
> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number
> 741598.
> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
>
>
--
Cheers,
Nadya
Re: [doc] improving porting matrix for Hamony
Posted by Alexey Varlamov <al...@gmail.com>.
> > zSeries etc. BTW I guess nobody really tried how Harmony feels on
> > Vista.
>
> Vista has been attempted and failed -
> http://markmail.org/message/zcpktosd2n7g7nzl?q=harmony+vista
>
Ah yes, this should be trivial to fix. Could you please log a JIRA -
there seems no related issue?
--
Alexey
Re: [doc] improving porting matrix for Hamony
Posted by Nathan Beyer <nb...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Alexey Varlamov
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/3/17, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
>
> > Hi,
> > i finally focused on the Supported Platforms page, and created a draft
> > version [1]. the page consists of a table similar to old Roadmap table +
> > list of specific windows/linux OSes copied from the Wiki page [2] created by
> > Alexey Varlamov a while ago.
> In fact that page was collected by Sveta Konovalova, I just cleaned it up a bit.
>
>
> > The info may be inaccurate or incomplete. Please respond to this mail or
> > edit the site directly to update. Is there anything else you wanted to add
> > to the topic?
>
> I guess we need to put more details to the table, for clear
> explanation of the actual status - e.g. very basic support of IPF,
> just interpreter (?) for FreeBSD/x86, and no VME at all for PPC or
> zSeries etc. BTW I guess nobody really tried how Harmony feels on
> Vista.
Vista has been attempted and failed -
http://markmail.org/message/zcpktosd2n7g7nzl?q=harmony+vista
> This should hint interested parties which platforms are "almost there"
> so attract more volunteers, but should not raise groundless hopes and
> expectations for others.
>
> Also, I recall there was a hot debate on "supported platform" term
> definition - would be nice to extract a paragraph on this topic too.
>
> --
> Alexey
>
>
>
> >
> > [1] http://harmony.apache.org/supported_platforms.html
> > [2]
> > http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Platforms_to_Run_Harmony_Development_Kit_on
> >
> > nadya
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Oliver Deakin <ol...@googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Nadya Morozova wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > iIve been getting requests to make information on supported/tested
> > > platforms
> > > > for Harmony code more prominent. AFAI understand, our major statement on
> > > > what platforms we work on is the Porting Matrix on the project's roadmap
> > > > page (somewhere nearer the end, scroll down hard) [1].
> > > > Do you think we could make this information more visible?
> > >
> > > Yes - to me the roadmap page doesn't seem the right place to have our
> > > current platform status. We should probably have some porting TODOs
> > > listed there, but I don't think this is the appropriate place for the
> > > current status to be displayed.
> > >
> > > > Creating and
> > > > maintaining a separate page with porting info could be helpful.
> > >
> > > Agreed. It would allow those currently working on new platform ports to
> > > also give some account of their status and any extra build instructions
> > > if they wished - although a Wiki page may be more useful for this so it
> > > can be easily updated. I don't have a strong opinion on how this is done.
> > >
> > > > It'd also
> > > > simplify translation of this info into other languages (i ran into the
> > > > necessity to link to porting matrix from starting pages on Russian). Yet
> > > > another step forward would be to relate the static info on supported
> > > > platforms with our testing infra.
> > > >
> > > > Please express your opinion on whether this should be done. I'd be happy
> > > to
> > > > update the site as needed.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If it's possible to make that table more readable, that would probably
> > > be a good thing too - I don't know if it's just my eyes, but I find it
> > > hard to see exactly which + and ? belongs to which box! Perhaps a simple
> > > color coding of each box would be easier to read than a "+" or "?"
> > > character?
> > >
> > > Thanks for volunteering to make this update!
> > > Regards,
> > > Oliver
> > >
> > >
> > > > [1] http://harmony.apache.org/roadmap.html#Porting Matrix
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Oliver Deakin
> > > Unless stated otherwise above:
> > > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number
> > > 741598.
> > > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Nadya
> >
>
Re: [doc] improving porting matrix for Hamony
Posted by Alexey Varlamov <al...@gmail.com>.
2008/3/17, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
> Hi,
> i finally focused on the Supported Platforms page, and created a draft
> version [1]. the page consists of a table similar to old Roadmap table +
> list of specific windows/linux OSes copied from the Wiki page [2] created by
> Alexey Varlamov a while ago.
In fact that page was collected by Sveta Konovalova, I just cleaned it up a bit.
> The info may be inaccurate or incomplete. Please respond to this mail or
> edit the site directly to update. Is there anything else you wanted to add
> to the topic?
I guess we need to put more details to the table, for clear
explanation of the actual status - e.g. very basic support of IPF,
just interpreter (?) for FreeBSD/x86, and no VME at all for PPC or
zSeries etc. BTW I guess nobody really tried how Harmony feels on
Vista.
This should hint interested parties which platforms are "almost there"
so attract more volunteers, but should not raise groundless hopes and
expectations for others.
Also, I recall there was a hot debate on "supported platform" term
definition - would be nice to extract a paragraph on this topic too.
--
Alexey
>
> [1] http://harmony.apache.org/supported_platforms.html
> [2]
> http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Platforms_to_Run_Harmony_Development_Kit_on
>
> nadya
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Oliver Deakin <ol...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Nadya Morozova wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > iIve been getting requests to make information on supported/tested
> > platforms
> > > for Harmony code more prominent. AFAI understand, our major statement on
> > > what platforms we work on is the Porting Matrix on the project's roadmap
> > > page (somewhere nearer the end, scroll down hard) [1].
> > > Do you think we could make this information more visible?
> >
> > Yes - to me the roadmap page doesn't seem the right place to have our
> > current platform status. We should probably have some porting TODOs
> > listed there, but I don't think this is the appropriate place for the
> > current status to be displayed.
> >
> > > Creating and
> > > maintaining a separate page with porting info could be helpful.
> >
> > Agreed. It would allow those currently working on new platform ports to
> > also give some account of their status and any extra build instructions
> > if they wished - although a Wiki page may be more useful for this so it
> > can be easily updated. I don't have a strong opinion on how this is done.
> >
> > > It'd also
> > > simplify translation of this info into other languages (i ran into the
> > > necessity to link to porting matrix from starting pages on Russian). Yet
> > > another step forward would be to relate the static info on supported
> > > platforms with our testing infra.
> > >
> > > Please express your opinion on whether this should be done. I'd be happy
> > to
> > > update the site as needed.
> > >
> >
> > If it's possible to make that table more readable, that would probably
> > be a good thing too - I don't know if it's just my eyes, but I find it
> > hard to see exactly which + and ? belongs to which box! Perhaps a simple
> > color coding of each box would be easier to read than a "+" or "?"
> > character?
> >
> > Thanks for volunteering to make this update!
> > Regards,
> > Oliver
> >
> >
> > > [1] http://harmony.apache.org/roadmap.html#Porting Matrix
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Oliver Deakin
> > Unless stated otherwise above:
> > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number
> > 741598.
> > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Nadya
>