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Posted to dev@plc4x.apache.org by Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com> on 2022/07/07 16:17:49 UTC
RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs with PLC4X
I would make the simplest possible example application, in each language
plc4x supports, just to discover and show the browse ‘tree’ or whatever.
Maybe console.
Then with these examples of API usage, people can have at it and there can
be a bake off.
It will be easier to agree on what a ‘sample.go’, sample.rust,
sample.python etc would look like, and a minimal set of functionality than
to pick a language and environment etc.
the samples have to build everywhere plc4x builds and for everyone, the
contrib/ui things can be optional so that we don’t have to setup anything
exotic unless we want to.
From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
<ch...@c-ware.de>
Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Date: June 26, 2022 at 07:11:52
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
Hi Niclas,
yeah ... I agree ... if the core of such a tool is created the right way,
adding integration-wrappers into other tools should be easy. I guess
sticking to an "as standard as possible ui technology" would help with
this. So, I could imagine that it's easier to integrate a JavaFX ui into
Netbeans, Eclips and IntelliJ than any client-server based web-ui tech.
br/> <
Also, could we consider having one logic core and multiple ui
implementations.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> br/>Sent:: Samstag, 25. Juni 2022
07:59
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
On 2022-06-23 14:36, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> I agree that if we use NetBeans it’s definitiely “eating our own
> (Apache) dogfood” … and yes it’s quite well established.
> Probably you can create Standalone Applications with Netbeans similar
br/>> to how you can do that with Eclipse. <
> However, do I imagine, that this would probably be a bit of overkill
br/>> for this usecase. <
There is a case to be made for having these kinds of tools being part of an
IDE, i.e. a plugin rather than an "App on NB".
So, by being a little clever, the clickable-jar could also be Netbeans
plugin compatible, IF that is wanted by people. It is mostly a matter of
having hooks for user input that can be hooked into NB's system rather than
handled directly. Minor thing if one take care of it up front.
And if it is then a plugin, then it is up to someone else to package that
as a dedicated NB app, if such desires exist.
Cheers
Niclas
Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs with PLC4X
Posted by Stephen Snow <s4...@gmail.com>.
Yeah I can see that WRT examples.
On Mon, 2022-07-11 at 09:55 -0700, Otto Fowler wrote:
> Sorry, I don’t mean to confuse.
> Since we don’t have examples or documentation, and trying to pick
> between a bunch of people’s personal favorite GUI framework /
> programming language on a list is tiresome, I’m just recommending
> doing the doc, examples in each language, and letting people write a
> GUI in whatever they fancy ( outside the project ). Then a person may
> look at:
> * dependencies
> * what it takes to build
> * code maintainability
> * style and actually GUI
> for each IRL.
>
>
>
> From: Stephen Snow <s4...@gmail.com>
> Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Date: July 11, 2022 at 08:18:22
> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for
> browsing PLCs with PLC4X
>
>
> > So I took this to be a discussion about making a graphical browser
> > of
> > connected PLC's that PLC4X api was being used to develop some app
> > with
> > by the dev. In this case using PLC4X's discovery api as part of
> > this
> > tool. Am I missing something here? Otto seems to be referring to
> > implementation examples (which I think is a must for the doc's in
> > any
> > case).
> >
> > In the spirit of using the Netbeans IDE (which I do) I have a
> > module
> > created which I am ready to add PLC4X functionality to, actually
> > the
> > maven bits are done, I just need to implement. Is there any doc for
> > the
> > discovery lib? Or could someone familiar with it suggest a starting
> > point for me?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Fri, 2022-07-08 at 10:40 -0700, Otto Fowler wrote:
> > > you say that like it is a bad thing?
> > >
> > > From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> > > <ch...@c-ware.de>
> > > Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> > > <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> > > Date: July 7, 2022 at 18:46:01
> > > To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> > > <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for
> > > browsing PLCs
> > > with PLC4X
> > >
> > > So a hello-plc4x-discovery-and-browse using the default api?...
> > That
> > > should
> > > be a matter of minutes to Implement.
> > >
> > > Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:17:49 PM
> > > To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for
> > browsing
> > > PLCs
> > > with PLC4X
> > >
> > > I would make the simplest possible example application, in each
> > > language
> > > plc4x supports, just to discover and show the browse ‘tree’ or
> > > whatever.
> > > Maybe console.
> > >
> > > Then with these examples of API usage, people can have at it and
> > > there can
> > > be a bake off.
> > >
> > > It will be easier to agree on what a ‘sample.go’, sample.rust,
> > > sample.python etc would look like, and a minimal set of
> > functionality
> > > than
> > > to pick a language and environment etc.
> > >
> > > the samples have to build everywhere plc4x builds and for
> > everyone,
> > > the
> > > contrib/ui things can be optional so that we don’t have to setup
> > > anything
> > > exotic unless we want to.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> > > <ch...@c-ware.de>
> > > Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> > > <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> > > Date: June 26, 2022 at 07:11:52
> > > To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> > > <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for
> > browsing
> > > PLCs
> > > with PLC4X
> > >
> > > Hi Niclas,
> > >
> > > yeah ... I agree ... if the core of such a tool is created the
> > right
> > > way,
> > > adding integration-wrappers into other tools should be easy. I
> > guess
> > > sticking to an "as standard as possible ui technology" would help
> > > with
> > > this. So, I could imagine that it's easier to integrate a JavaFX
> > ui
> > > into
> > > Netbeans, Eclips and IntelliJ than any client-server based web-ui
> > > tech.
> > > br/> <
> > > Also, could we consider having one logic core and multiple ui
> > > implementations.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> br/>Sent:: Samstag, 25.
> > > Juni 2022
> > > 07:59
> > > To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for
> > browsing
> > > PLCs
> > > with PLC4X
> > >
> > > On 2022-06-23 14:36, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> > > > I agree that if we use NetBeans it’s definitiely “eating our
> > own
> > > > (Apache) dogfood” … and yes it’s quite well established.
> > > > Probably you can create Standalone Applications with Netbeans
> > > > similar
> > > br/>> to how you can do that with Eclipse. <
> > > > However, do I imagine, that this would probably be a bit of
> > > > overkill
> > > br/>> for this usecase. <
> > >
> > > There is a case to be made for having these kinds of tools being
> > part
> > > of an
> > > IDE, i.e. a plugin rather than an "App on NB".
> > > So, by being a little clever, the clickable-jar could also be
> > > Netbeans
> > > plugin compatible, IF that is wanted by people. It is mostly a
> > matter
> > > of
> > > having hooks for user input that can be hooked into NB's system
> > > rather than
> > > handled directly. Minor thing if one take care of it up front.
> > > And if it is then a plugin, then it is up to someone else to
> > package
> > > that
> > > as a dedicated NB app, if such desires exist.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Niclas
> >
Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs with PLC4X
Posted by Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>.
Sorry, I don’t mean to confuse.
Since we don’t have examples or documentation, and trying to pick between a
bunch of people’s personal favorite GUI framework / programming language on
a list is tiresome, I’m just recommending doing the doc, examples in each
language, and letting people write a GUI in whatever they fancy ( outside
the project ). Then a person may look at:
- dependencies
- what it takes to build
- code maintainability
- style and actually GUI
for each IRL.
From: Stephen Snow <s4...@gmail.com> <s4...@gmail.com>
Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Date: July 11, 2022 at 08:18:22
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
So I took this to be a discussion about making a graphical browser of
connected PLC's that PLC4X api was being used to develop some app with
by the dev. In this case using PLC4X's discovery api as part of this
tool. Am I missing something here? Otto seems to be referring to
implementation examples (which I think is a must for the doc's in any
case).
In the spirit of using the Netbeans IDE (which I do) I have a module
created which I am ready to add PLC4X functionality to, actually the
maven bits are done, I just need to implement. Is there any doc for the
discovery lib? Or could someone familiar with it suggest a starting
point for me?
Regards,
Stephen
On Fri, 2022-07-08 at 10:40 -0700, Otto Fowler wrote:
> you say that like it is a bad thing?
>
> From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> <ch...@c-ware.de>
> Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Date: July 7, 2022 at 18:46:01
> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for
> browsing PLCs
> with PLC4X
>
> So a hello-plc4x-discovery-and-browse using the default api?... That
> should
> be a matter of minutes to Implement.
>
> Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:17:49 PM
> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing
> PLCs
> with PLC4X
>
> I would make the simplest possible example application, in each
> language
> plc4x supports, just to discover and show the browse ‘tree’ or
> whatever.
> Maybe console.
>
> Then with these examples of API usage, people can have at it and
> there can
> be a bake off.
>
> It will be easier to agree on what a ‘sample.go’, sample.rust,
> sample.python etc would look like, and a minimal set of functionality
> than
> to pick a language and environment etc.
>
> the samples have to build everywhere plc4x builds and for everyone,
> the
> contrib/ui things can be optional so that we don’t have to setup
> anything
> exotic unless we want to.
>
>
>
>
> From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> <ch...@c-ware.de>
> Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Date: June 26, 2022 at 07:11:52
> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing
> PLCs
> with PLC4X
>
> Hi Niclas,
>
> yeah ... I agree ... if the core of such a tool is created the right
> way,
> adding integration-wrappers into other tools should be easy. I guess
> sticking to an "as standard as possible ui technology" would help
> with
> this. So, I could imagine that it's easier to integrate a JavaFX ui
> into
> Netbeans, Eclips and IntelliJ than any client-server based web-ui
> tech.
> br/> <
> Also, could we consider having one logic core and multiple ui
> implementations.
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> br/>Sent:: Samstag, 25.
> Juni 2022
> 07:59
> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing
> PLCs
> with PLC4X
>
> On 2022-06-23 14:36, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> > I agree that if we use NetBeans it’s definitiely “eating our own
> > (Apache) dogfood” … and yes it’s quite well established.
> > Probably you can create Standalone Applications with Netbeans
> > similar
> br/>> to how you can do that with Eclipse. <
> > However, do I imagine, that this would probably be a bit of
> > overkill
> br/>> for this usecase. <
>
> There is a case to be made for having these kinds of tools being part
> of an
> IDE, i.e. a plugin rather than an "App on NB".
> So, by being a little clever, the clickable-jar could also be
> Netbeans
> plugin compatible, IF that is wanted by people. It is mostly a matter
> of
> having hooks for user input that can be hooked into NB's system
> rather than
> handled directly. Minor thing if one take care of it up front.
> And if it is then a plugin, then it is up to someone else to package
> that
> as a dedicated NB app, if such desires exist.
>
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs with PLC4X
Posted by Stephen Snow <s4...@gmail.com>.
So I took this to be a discussion about making a graphical browser of
connected PLC's that PLC4X api was being used to develop some app with
by the dev. In this case using PLC4X's discovery api as part of this
tool. Am I missing something here? Otto seems to be referring to
implementation examples (which I think is a must for the doc's in any
case).
In the spirit of using the Netbeans IDE (which I do) I have a module
created which I am ready to add PLC4X functionality to, actually the
maven bits are done, I just need to implement. Is there any doc for the
discovery lib? Or could someone familiar with it suggest a starting
point for me?
Regards,
Stephen
On Fri, 2022-07-08 at 10:40 -0700, Otto Fowler wrote:
> you say that like it is a bad thing?
>
> From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> <ch...@c-ware.de>
> Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Date: July 7, 2022 at 18:46:01
> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for
> browsing PLCs
> with PLC4X
>
> So a hello-plc4x-discovery-and-browse using the default api?... That
> should
> be a matter of minutes to Implement.
>
> Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:17:49 PM
> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing
> PLCs
> with PLC4X
>
> I would make the simplest possible example application, in each
> language
> plc4x supports, just to discover and show the browse ‘tree’ or
> whatever.
> Maybe console.
>
> Then with these examples of API usage, people can have at it and
> there can
> be a bake off.
>
> It will be easier to agree on what a ‘sample.go’, sample.rust,
> sample.python etc would look like, and a minimal set of functionality
> than
> to pick a language and environment etc.
>
> the samples have to build everywhere plc4x builds and for everyone,
> the
> contrib/ui things can be optional so that we don’t have to setup
> anything
> exotic unless we want to.
>
>
>
>
> From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> <ch...@c-ware.de>
> Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Date: June 26, 2022 at 07:11:52
> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing
> PLCs
> with PLC4X
>
> Hi Niclas,
>
> yeah ... I agree ... if the core of such a tool is created the right
> way,
> adding integration-wrappers into other tools should be easy. I guess
> sticking to an "as standard as possible ui technology" would help
> with
> this. So, I could imagine that it's easier to integrate a JavaFX ui
> into
> Netbeans, Eclips and IntelliJ than any client-server based web-ui
> tech.
> br/> <
> Also, could we consider having one logic core and multiple ui
> implementations.
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> br/>Sent:: Samstag, 25.
> Juni 2022
> 07:59
> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing
> PLCs
> with PLC4X
>
> On 2022-06-23 14:36, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> > I agree that if we use NetBeans it’s definitiely “eating our own
> > (Apache) dogfood” … and yes it’s quite well established.
> > Probably you can create Standalone Applications with Netbeans
> > similar
> br/>> to how you can do that with Eclipse. <
> > However, do I imagine, that this would probably be a bit of
> > overkill
> br/>> for this usecase. <
>
> There is a case to be made for having these kinds of tools being part
> of an
> IDE, i.e. a plugin rather than an "App on NB".
> So, by being a little clever, the clickable-jar could also be
> Netbeans
> plugin compatible, IF that is wanted by people. It is mostly a matter
> of
> having hooks for user input that can be hooked into NB's system
> rather than
> handled directly. Minor thing if one take care of it up front.
> And if it is then a plugin, then it is up to someone else to package
> that
> as a dedicated NB app, if such desires exist.
>
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs with PLC4X
Posted by Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>.
you say that like it is a bad thing?
From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
<ch...@c-ware.de>
Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Date: July 7, 2022 at 18:46:01
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
So a hello-plc4x-discovery-and-browse using the default api?... That should
be a matter of minutes to Implement.
Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:17:49 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
I would make the simplest possible example application, in each language
plc4x supports, just to discover and show the browse ‘tree’ or whatever.
Maybe console.
Then with these examples of API usage, people can have at it and there can
be a bake off.
It will be easier to agree on what a ‘sample.go’, sample.rust,
sample.python etc would look like, and a minimal set of functionality than
to pick a language and environment etc.
the samples have to build everywhere plc4x builds and for everyone, the
contrib/ui things can be optional so that we don’t have to setup anything
exotic unless we want to.
From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
<ch...@c-ware.de>
Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Date: June 26, 2022 at 07:11:52
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
Hi Niclas,
yeah ... I agree ... if the core of such a tool is created the right way,
adding integration-wrappers into other tools should be easy. I guess
sticking to an "as standard as possible ui technology" would help with
this. So, I could imagine that it's easier to integrate a JavaFX ui into
Netbeans, Eclips and IntelliJ than any client-server based web-ui tech.
br/> <
Also, could we consider having one logic core and multiple ui
implementations.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> br/>Sent:: Samstag, 25. Juni 2022
07:59
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
On 2022-06-23 14:36, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> I agree that if we use NetBeans it’s definitiely “eating our own
> (Apache) dogfood” … and yes it’s quite well established.
> Probably you can create Standalone Applications with Netbeans similar
br/>> to how you can do that with Eclipse. <
> However, do I imagine, that this would probably be a bit of overkill
br/>> for this usecase. <
There is a case to be made for having these kinds of tools being part of an
IDE, i.e. a plugin rather than an "App on NB".
So, by being a little clever, the clickable-jar could also be Netbeans
plugin compatible, IF that is wanted by people. It is mostly a matter of
having hooks for user input that can be hooked into NB's system rather than
handled directly. Minor thing if one take care of it up front.
And if it is then a plugin, then it is up to someone else to package that
as a dedicated NB app, if such desires exist.
Cheers
Niclas
Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs with PLC4X
Posted by Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>.
for each language.
Simple is good. Using that others can write and submit something in their
preferred language and framework for consideration.
It will be easier to understand the tradeoffs and value if you can see it:
what it takes to build and include what it’s dependencies are what the code
looks like
If you are looking for something to include in the project.
From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
<ch...@c-ware.de>
Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Date: July 7, 2022 at 18:46:01
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
So a hello-plc4x-discovery-and-browse using the default api?... That should
be a matter of minutes to Implement.
Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:17:49 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
I would make the simplest possible example application, in each language
plc4x supports, just to discover and show the browse ‘tree’ or whatever.
Maybe console.
Then with these examples of API usage, people can have at it and there can
be a bake off.
It will be easier to agree on what a ‘sample.go’, sample.rust,
sample.python etc would look like, and a minimal set of functionality than
to pick a language and environment etc.
the samples have to build everywhere plc4x builds and for everyone, the
contrib/ui things can be optional so that we don’t have to setup anything
exotic unless we want to.
From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
<ch...@c-ware.de>
Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Date: June 26, 2022 at 07:11:52
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
Hi Niclas,
yeah ... I agree ... if the core of such a tool is created the right way,
adding integration-wrappers into other tools should be easy. I guess
sticking to an "as standard as possible ui technology" would help with
this. So, I could imagine that it's easier to integrate a JavaFX ui into
Netbeans, Eclips and IntelliJ than any client-server based web-ui tech.
br/> <
Also, could we consider having one logic core and multiple ui
implementations.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> br/>Sent:: Samstag, 25. Juni 2022
07:59
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
On 2022-06-23 14:36, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> I agree that if we use NetBeans it’s definitiely “eating our own
> (Apache) dogfood” … and yes it’s quite well established.
> Probably you can create Standalone Applications with Netbeans similar
br/>> to how you can do that with Eclipse. <
> However, do I imagine, that this would probably be a bit of overkill
br/>> for this usecase. <
There is a case to be made for having these kinds of tools being part of an
IDE, i.e. a plugin rather than an "App on NB".
So, by being a little clever, the clickable-jar could also be Netbeans
plugin compatible, IF that is wanted by people. It is mostly a matter of
having hooks for user input that can be hooked into NB's system rather than
handled directly. Minor thing if one take care of it up front.
And if it is then a plugin, then it is up to someone else to package that
as a dedicated NB app, if such desires exist.
Cheers
Niclas
Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs with PLC4X
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
So a hello-plc4x-discovery-and-browse using the default api?... That should be a matter of minutes to Implement.
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From: Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:17:49 PM
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs with PLC4X
I would make the simplest possible example application, in each language
plc4x supports, just to discover and show the browse ‘tree’ or whatever.
Maybe console.
Then with these examples of API usage, people can have at it and there can
be a bake off.
It will be easier to agree on what a ‘sample.go’, sample.rust,
sample.python etc would look like, and a minimal set of functionality than
to pick a language and environment etc.
the samples have to build everywhere plc4x builds and for everyone, the
contrib/ui things can be optional so that we don’t have to setup anything
exotic unless we want to.
From: Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
<ch...@c-ware.de>
Reply: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Date: June 26, 2022 at 07:11:52
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org> <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
Hi Niclas,
yeah ... I agree ... if the core of such a tool is created the right way,
adding integration-wrappers into other tools should be easy. I guess
sticking to an "as standard as possible ui technology" would help with
this. So, I could imagine that it's easier to integrate a JavaFX ui into
Netbeans, Eclips and IntelliJ than any client-server based web-ui tech.
br/> <
Also, could we consider having one logic core and multiple ui
implementations.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> br/>Sent:: Samstag, 25. Juni 2022
07:59
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Implement a Java GUI application for browsing PLCs
with PLC4X
On 2022-06-23 14:36, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> I agree that if we use NetBeans it’s definitiely “eating our own
> (Apache) dogfood” … and yes it’s quite well established.
> Probably you can create Standalone Applications with Netbeans similar
br/>> to how you can do that with Eclipse. <
> However, do I imagine, that this would probably be a bit of overkill
br/>> for this usecase. <
There is a case to be made for having these kinds of tools being part of an
IDE, i.e. a plugin rather than an "App on NB".
So, by being a little clever, the clickable-jar could also be Netbeans
plugin compatible, IF that is wanted by people. It is mostly a matter of
having hooks for user input that can be hooked into NB's system rather than
handled directly. Minor thing if one take care of it up front.
And if it is then a plugin, then it is up to someone else to package that
as a dedicated NB app, if such desires exist.
Cheers
Niclas