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Posted to users@spamassassin.apache.org by ram <ra...@netcore.co.in> on 2008/12/17 07:35:14 UTC
remove SURBL rules
I would like to remove the SURBL lookups from our servers since they are
no longer free (and their charges are unreasonable )
I would just put a 0.0 score in local.cf for all their rules , but I
guess when the rules are removed from the actual cf files by sa-update
then at that time I will have sa --lint errors
I have a lot of servers , including some at remote locations.
What is the recommended way of disabling the rules
Thanks
Ram
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by Duane Hill <d....@yournetplus.com>.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Benny Pedersen wrote:
>
> On Ons, December 17, 2008 07:35, ram wrote:
>> I would like to remove the SURBL lookups from our servers since they
>> are no longer free (and their charges are unreasonable )
>
> show links where this is stated or make a bug on it :)
>
> else:
> score *_SURBL 0
It's displayed on their usage policy page:
Free Use:
For individual users, small charitable or non-profit organizations,
small businesses or any other organizations that have fewer than 1,000
users or that scan fewer than 250,000 messages per day in total, the
SURBL Free Query Service (FQS) is completely free and can be accessed
via a worldwide network of servers. This network of servers is
geographically diverse to ensure a very high level of responsiveness
and reliability.
The message I received recently from Arnie Bjorklund states within:
Please note that SURBL is allowing a grace period through Feb 28,
2009. Effective March 1, 2009 SURBL will begin restricting access to
the datafeed service for unregistered users. Datafeed users who
register for SDS prior to Jan 31, 2009, will receive 18 months service
for the price of 12 months.
SURBL has partnered with MXTools which will provide dedicated customer
service and technical support. MXTools provides a similar role for
Spamhaus, providing sales and support of the Spamhaus Datafeed
service. Please contact support@mxtools.com to provide feedback and to
indicate your level of interest in the continued use of SURBL.
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by mouss <mo...@netoyen.net>.
LuKreme a écrit :
> On 16-Dec-2008, at 23:57, ram wrote:
>> http://www.surbl.org/usage-policy.html
>
>
> I did the 'request a quote'. For 3,000 users and 550,000 emails a day
> (hey, i was just making up numbers here) the cost is US$600/year. If
> you're a non-profit it's $500/year.
>
> Considering that includes SUPPORT, that's stupidly cheap.
>
> Which prices are unreasonable?
>
I don't think surbl policy/pricing/whatever should be debated here.
if RAM wants to disable surbl, then:
meta URIBL_AB_SURBL (0)
meta URIBL_JP_SURBL (0)
meta URIBL_OB_SURBL (0)
meta URIBL_PH_SURBL (0)
meta URIBL_SC_SURBL (0)
meta URIBL_WS_SURBL (0)
meta URIBL_XS_SURBL (0)
should do.
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by Per Jessen <pe...@computer.org>.
LuKreme wrote:
> On 16-Dec-2008, at 23:57, ram wrote:
>> http://www.surbl.org/usage-policy.html
>
>
> I did the 'request a quote'. For 3,000 users and 550,000 emails a day
> (hey, i was just making up numbers here) the cost is US$600/year. If
> you're a non-profit it's $500/year.
>
> Considering that includes SUPPORT, that's stupidly cheap.
And with the USD value dropping like a lead balloon, it's getting
cheaper every second :-)
/Per Jessen, Zürich
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by up...@3.am.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, LuKreme wrote:
> On 16-Dec-2008, at 23:57, ram wrote:
>> http://www.surbl.org/usage-policy.html
>
>
> I did the 'request a quote'. For 3,000 users and 550,000 emails a day (hey,
> i was just making up numbers here) the cost is US$600/year. If you're a
> non-profit it's $500/year.
>
> Considering that includes SUPPORT, that's stupidly cheap.
>
> Which prices are unreasonable?
How many BLs does SA use? If they all started charging that, it could
certainly add up, especially to a small operation in this economy.
James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
up@3.am http://3.am
=========================================================================
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by LuKreme <kr...@kreme.com>.
On 16-Dec-2008, at 23:57, ram wrote:
> http://www.surbl.org/usage-policy.html
I did the 'request a quote'. For 3,000 users and 550,000 emails a day
(hey, i was just making up numbers here) the cost is US$600/year. If
you're a non-profit it's $500/year.
Considering that includes SUPPORT, that's stupidly cheap.
Which prices are unreasonable?
--
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Nick's the kinda guy you drink beers with. The kinda guy that
doesn' care if you puke in his car. Nick.
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by Raymond Dijkxhoorn <ra...@prolocation.net>.
Hi!
>>> I would like to remove the SURBL lookups from our servers since they
>>> are no longer free (and their charges are unreasonable )
>> show links where this is stated or make a bug on it :)
> http://www.surbl.org/usage-policy.html
So you have bigger message volume, this applies to many lists. Spamhaus,
ect ect. Whats your point?
> I dont want that since that will cause a lint fail incase the rules are
> removed later
Check you setup every now and then, wont harm. Its the way to disable the
lookups.
Bye,
Raymond.
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by mouss <mo...@netoyen.net>.
Karsten Bräckelmann a écrit :
> Back on-list.
>
> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 17:02 +0530, ram wrote:
>> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 12:16 +0100, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
>>>>> score *_SURBL 0
>>>> I dont want that since that will cause a lint fail incase the rules are
>>>> removed later
>>> No, it won't, it lints just fine.
>>>
>>> # cat foo.cf
>>> score NO_SUCH_RULE 0
>>>
>>> # spamassassin --lint; echo $?
>>> 0
>> $? is 0 alright. But you get a warning score set for a non existant
>> rule
>
> That was a straight copy-n-paste. I don't see no warning, lint didn't
> complain or output anything.
>
>> Unfortunately , when that happens I get alerts sent from my monitoring
>> system. I will have to change all that
>
> Err, whatever. Even IF your watchdog would alert you -- I don't see the
> SURBL rules to be removed from the stock rule set anytime soon, or
> anytime at all for that matter. Why bother?
>
> If your watchdog is more strict than SA --lint itself, IMHO your
> watchdog needs to be fixed.
>
>
and if he insists, he could use
meta FOO_RULE (0)
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by Karsten Bräckelmann <gu...@rudersport.de>.
Back on-list.
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 17:02 +0530, ram wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 12:16 +0100, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
> > > > score *_SURBL 0
> > >
> > > I dont want that since that will cause a lint fail incase the rules are
> > > removed later
> >
> > No, it won't, it lints just fine.
> >
> > # cat foo.cf
> > score NO_SUCH_RULE 0
> >
> > # spamassassin --lint; echo $?
> > 0
>
> $? is 0 alright. But you get a warning score set for a non existant
> rule
That was a straight copy-n-paste. I don't see no warning, lint didn't
complain or output anything.
> Unfortunately , when that happens I get alerts sent from my monitoring
> system. I will have to change all that
Err, whatever. Even IF your watchdog would alert you -- I don't see the
SURBL rules to be removed from the stock rule set anytime soon, or
anytime at all for that matter. Why bother?
If your watchdog is more strict than SA --lint itself, IMHO your
watchdog needs to be fixed.
--
char *t="\10pse\0r\0dtu\0.@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4";
main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8? c<<=1:
(c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by Karsten Bräckelmann <gu...@rudersport.de>.
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 12:27 +0530, ram wrote:
> > score *_SURBL 0
>
> I dont want that since that will cause a lint fail incase the rules are
> removed later
No, it won't, it lints just fine.
# cat foo.cf
score NO_SUCH_RULE 0
# spamassassin --lint; echo $?
0
Why do you claim it would? Testing this is just a matter of a few
seconds. Just see for yourself.
--
char *t="\10pse\0r\0dtu\0.@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4";
main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8? c<<=1:
(c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by ram <ra...@netcore.co.in>.
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 07:43 +0100, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> On Ons, December 17, 2008 07:35, ram wrote:
> > I would like to remove the SURBL lookups from our servers since they
> > are no longer free (and their charges are unreasonable )
>
> show links where this is stated or make a bug on it :)
>
http://www.surbl.org/usage-policy.html
> else:
> score *_SURBL 0
>
I dont want that since that will cause a lint fail incase the rules are
removed later
>
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by Benny Pedersen <me...@junc.org>.
On Ons, December 17, 2008 07:35, ram wrote:
> I would like to remove the SURBL lookups from our servers since they
> are no longer free (and their charges are unreasonable )
show links where this is stated or make a bug on it :)
else:
score *_SURBL 0
--
Benny Pedersen
Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098
Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uh...@fantomas.sk>.
On 17.12.08 12:05, ram wrote:
> I would like to remove the SURBL lookups from our servers since they are
> no longer free (and their charges are unreasonable )
I think they dropped charges a bit, did you look now?
> I would just put a 0.0 score in local.cf for all their rules , but I
> guess when the rules are removed from the actual cf files by sa-update
> then at that time I will have sa --lint errors
should not be a problem.
--
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Re: remove SURBL rules
Posted by Duane Hill <d....@yournetplus.com>.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, ram wrote:
> I would like to remove the SURBL lookups from our servers since they are
> no longer free (and their charges are unreasonable )
>
> I would just put a 0.0 score in local.cf for all their rules , but I
> guess when the rules are removed from the actual cf files by sa-update
> then at that time I will have sa --lint errors
>
> I have a lot of servers , including some at remote locations.
>
> What is the recommended way of disabling the rules
This is what I did in local.cf:
# Shutdown SURBL
score URIBL_AB_SURBL 0
score URIBL_JP_SURBL 0
score URIBL_OB_SURBL 0
score URIBL_PH_SURBL 0
score URIBL_SC_SURBL 0
score URIBL_WS_SURBL 0
score URIBL_XS_SURBL 0