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Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:18:25 -0500,
<us...@openoffice.apache.org> wrote:
> Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 manage the user profile differently
> than previous versions. The old user profile is automatically converted
> so that users can keep their extensions and settings. In a minority of
> cases, especially with highly customized profiles (many extensions or
> customizations) the conversion doesn't succeed. Common symptoms are:
> frequent application crashes, problems with dictionaries or thesaurus,
> OpenOffice starting and crashing after a few seconds. To solve this,
> just reset/rename your user profile as explained in the official
> OpenOffice forum.
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426
How many times do you need to do this? I did this when I first installed
AOO and now its doing the same thing. It is also annoying when the
recovery isn’t needed to load the file or when no file exists and it makes
it up. Canceling so you can just load from the file doesn’t do any good.
It just closes and creates the dummy file.
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Rod
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Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Posted by Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <an...@pitonyak.org>.
On 01/09/2013 01:56 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
>
> A few days ago, I asked on the dev list why AOO does not support
> writing in the OOXML formats. I received some very nice replies. Some
> people have valid reasons why supporting OOXML is a bad idea, but I
> expect that this support will creep into AOO eventually.
That is here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg02536.html
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Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Posted by Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <an...@pitonyak.org>.
On 01/08/2013 07:36 AM, zentao.com wrote:
> Andrew. I'm so pleased to virtually meet/greet you. I have your Macro
> PDF--awesome help--and have investigated your website a bit since
> installing OO. It made me blink twice to see you responding. I didn't
> think OO wizards would even cast a glance toward newbies.
The pleasure was mine, and thank you for your kind words... I think that
you will find that many of the people in the OpenOffice community are
happy to help.
A few days ago, I asked on the dev list why AOO does not support writing
in the OOXML formats. I received some very nice replies. Some people
have valid reasons why supporting OOXML is a bad idea, but I expect that
this support will creep into AOO eventually.
> What you suggest is what I already do, though not with LO. I just keep
> some machines loaded with original programming that can open the older
> files, and one poor, abused laptop that has the newer build of MS
> Office loaded--POS program. I have, having once tried OO years ago
> and found it too limited and cumbersome, avoided Open Office. Then, on
> a whim, I decided to try it again after one of my acquaintances
> assured me that, really, it's nothing like when it first started.
If you are looking to learn the deep arts of OO, learn about styles. I
first learned them when I reviewed a document on how to create and use
Master Documents. It was not the material on Master Documents that was
so useful to me (I still have not really used Master Documents), but the
deep tutorial on how to setup and use Styles that mattered.
> Loading it, I found it quite wonderful. Armed with that warm, fuzzy
> feeling, I began to explore the possibility of finally being able to
> reduce my network where I run a host of machines all the way down to
> Win 98 (managed to retire the 3.1 and 95 machines, now) What I had
> hoped was to finally avoid going from machine to machine on the
> network in order to open certain file formats. My office could use the
> space and would thank me very much for a new file cabinet, instead. ;)
>
> ..Ah well, there it is, then. Thanks for the heads up. I'll give up
> that notion, then. =) I suppose I could knock out a wall for the file
> cabinet.
Side note: If you are ever bored (I have a hard time imaging you bored),
consider helping out. I believe that you have great talent that would be
a great benefit to AOO. I won't even bother listing the areas, because
your talents seem to be sufficiently varied that I am afraid to limit
you. You clearly excel in areas where I am a bit lacking (you have seen
my site, you know what I mean I am sure).
>
> With a chuckle,
>
> Dawn
>
> D. L. Keur, zentao.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Douglas Pitonyak"
> <an...@pitonyak.org>
> To: <us...@openoffice.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
>
>
>>
>> On 01/07/2013 06:50 PM, zentao wrote:
>>> Not asking it to be an MS Office clone. I have used MS Office a LOT.
>>> Having tried OO, I can honestly say that OO is more user intuitive
>>> and an absolute joy to work in. The issue isn't having an MS Office
>>> clone--heaven forbid, unless you happen to like self-torture--but
>>> compatibility...which OO seems to have with MS documents of all
>>> kinds...so far. However, as per my previous response, backwards
>>> compatibility is a must for me to archaic--very archaic--formats.
>>> Forward compatibility is and will be, likewise, critical.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> D. L. Keur, zentao.com
>>
>> LibreOffice supports saving in these formats. I have removed AOO and
>> installed LibreOffice on a couple of computers where the user needed
>> to write in the newer MSO formats. In fact, I did that this evening
>> to one computer and will be doing it to another tomorrow.
>>
>> when I need to edit an "advanced" MSO document, I fire up a Virtual
>> machine running Windows that contains a copy of MSO and just use MSO.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Pitonyak
>> My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
>> Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
>>
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Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Posted by "zentao.com" <ze...@zentao.com>.
Andrew. I'm so pleased to virtually meet/greet you. I have your Macro
PDF--awesome help--and have investigated your website a bit since installing
OO. It made me blink twice to see you responding. I didn't think OO wizards
would even cast a glance toward newbies.
What you suggest is what I already do, though not with LO. I just keep some
machines loaded with original programming that can open the older files, and
one poor, abused laptop that has the newer build of MS Office loaded--POS
program. I have, having once tried OO years ago and found it too limited
and cumbersome, avoided Open Office. Then, on a whim, I decided to try it
again after one of my acquaintances assured me that, really, it's nothing
like when it first started.
Loading it, I found it quite wonderful. Armed with that warm, fuzzy feeling,
I began to explore the possibility of finally being able to reduce my
network where I run a host of machines all the way down to Win 98 (managed
to retire the 3.1 and 95 machines, now) What I had hoped was to finally
avoid going from machine to machine on the network in order to open certain
file formats. My office could use the space and would thank me very much for
a new file cabinet, instead. ;)
..Ah well, there it is, then. Thanks for the heads up. I'll give up that
notion, then. =) I suppose I could knock out a wall for the file cabinet.
With a chuckle,
Dawn
D. L. Keur, zentao.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Douglas Pitonyak" <an...@pitonyak.org>
To: <us...@openoffice.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
>
> On 01/07/2013 06:50 PM, zentao wrote:
>> Not asking it to be an MS Office clone. I have used MS Office a LOT.
>> Having tried OO, I can honestly say that OO is more user intuitive and an
>> absolute joy to work in. The issue isn't having an MS Office
>> clone--heaven forbid, unless you happen to like self-torture--but
>> compatibility...which OO seems to have with MS documents of all
>> kinds...so far. However, as per my previous response, backwards
>> compatibility is a must for me to archaic--very archaic--formats. Forward
>> compatibility is and will be, likewise, critical.
>>
>> Dawn
>>
>> D. L. Keur, zentao.com
>
> LibreOffice supports saving in these formats. I have removed AOO and
> installed LibreOffice on a couple of computers where the user needed to
> write in the newer MSO formats. In fact, I did that this evening to one
> computer and will be doing it to another tomorrow.
>
> when I need to edit an "advanced" MSO document, I fire up a Virtual
> machine running Windows that contains a copy of MSO and just use MSO.
>
>
> --
> Andrew Pitonyak
> My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
> Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
>
>
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Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Posted by Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <an...@pitonyak.org>.
On 01/07/2013 06:50 PM, zentao wrote:
> Not asking it to be an MS Office clone. I have used MS Office a LOT.
> Having tried OO, I can honestly say that OO is more user intuitive and
> an absolute joy to work in. The issue isn't having an MS Office
> clone--heaven forbid, unless you happen to like self-torture--but
> compatibility...which OO seems to have with MS documents of all
> kinds...so far. However, as per my previous response, backwards
> compatibility is a must for me to archaic--very archaic--formats.
> Forward compatibility is and will be, likewise, critical.
>
> Dawn
>
> D. L. Keur, zentao.com
LibreOffice supports saving in these formats. I have removed AOO and
installed LibreOffice on a couple of computers where the user needed to
write in the newer MSO formats. In fact, I did that this evening to one
computer and will be doing it to another tomorrow.
when I need to edit an "advanced" MSO document, I fire up a Virtual
machine running Windows that contains a copy of MSO and just use MSO.
--
Andrew Pitonyak
My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
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Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Posted by zentao <ze...@zentao.com>.
Not asking it to be an MS Office clone. I have used MS Office a LOT.
Having tried OO, I can honestly say that OO is more user intuitive and
an absolute joy to work in. The issue isn't having an MS Office
clone--heaven forbid, unless you happen to like self-torture--but
compatibility...which OO seems to have with MS documents of all
kinds...so far. However, as per my previous response, backwards
compatibility is a must for me to archaic--very archaic--formats.
Forward compatibility is and will be, likewise, critical.
Dawn
D. L. Keur, zentao.com
On 1/7/2013 2:23 PM, John Hart wrote:
> On 1/7/2013 3:05 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
>> AOO is not a MS Office clone. If you want to work in .doc, then use
>> MS Office. Their file format has never been designed to be compatible
>> with anything else than MS Office.
>> The MS Office file formats have been reverse engineered. If you find
>> another application that does better, then go for it.
>> If you want to use proprietary formats that locks your own data, just
>> do it. But the key point nowadays is to use true open formats like ODF.
>>
>> Hagar
>>
> Amen. Closed source programing is the Achilles heel of the information
> age and one of the greatest unforeseen dangers to modern societies. A
> way of funding open source projects would be for governments to give
> people tax credits for doing so.
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Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Posted by John Hart <jh...@testra.com>.
On 1/7/2013 3:05 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> AOO is not a MS Office clone. If you want to work in .doc, then use MS
> Office. Their file format has never been designed to be compatible
> with anything else than MS Office.
> The MS Office file formats have been reverse engineered. If you find
> another application that does better, then go for it.
> If you want to use proprietary formats that locks your own data, just
> do it. But the key point nowadays is to use true open formats like ODF.
>
> Hagar
>
Amen. Closed source programing is the Achilles heel of the information
age and one of the greatest unforeseen dangers to modern societies. A
way of funding open source projects would be for governments to give
people tax credits for doing so.
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Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 07/01/2013 22:52, Maurice Howe a écrit :
> Helllooo, out there! We can keep telling folks to redo their bleeding
> profile. How dumb is that! Fix it so that's never required, fer Kroist
> sake! Microsoft never insisted we do that.
Of course it's dumb. It's a major problem. But the code has been released so now we have to wait for the next version and hope that it will be fixed.
> By the way, Boy & Girls -- if OpenOffice (by whatever flavor) wants to
> remain compatible with MS Word, et al, then you better take another look at
> the upward/downward compatibility between OO and other contenders. One
> absolute MUST is the interface between the other contenders (AOO, MS Office,
> et al). Else, you've got a gawd-awful and ever-lasting mess on your hands.
> I despair...
AOO is not a MS Office clone. If you want to work in .doc, then use MS Office. Their file format has never been designed to be compatible with anything else than MS Office.
The MS Office file formats have been reverse engineered. If you find another application that does better, then go for it.
If you want to use proprietary formats that locks your own data, just do it. But the key point nowadays is to use true open formats like ODF.
Hagar
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Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Posted by zentao <ze...@zentao.com>.
I agree with Maurice D Howe on this. Forward and backward compatibility
with other major office suites is critical. Right now, I have to use MS
Office to maintain backward compatibility with clients who are still in
the stoneage with old WPD and Lotus installs on their decrepit machines.
However, these clients are not impoverished--not hardly. Just crusty and
set in their ways.
Dawn
D. L. Keur, zentao.com
On 1/7/2013 1:52 PM, Maurice Howe wrote:
> Helllooo, out there! We can keep telling folks to redo their bleeding
> profile. How dumb is that! Fix it so that's never required, fer Kroist
> sake! Microsoft never insisted we do that.
>
> By the way, Boy & Girls -- if OpenOffice (by whatever flavor) wants to
> remain compatible with MS Word, et al, then you better take another look at
> the upward/downward compatibility between OO and other contenders. One
> absolute MUST is the interface between the other contenders (AOO, MS Office,
> et al). Else, you've got a gawd-awful and ever-lasting mess on your hands.
> I despair...
>
> Maurice D. Howe
> General MacArthur Honor Guard Assn
> 616 Lacey Drive
> Endwell, NY 13760
> 607-754-0469
> Maurice@stny.rr.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hagar Delest [mailto:hagar.delest@laposte.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:10 PM
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
>
> Personally, I've had to go through 5 or 6 recovery processes in a row before
> it stopped crashing. It was under Windows XP. Since then, no problem.
>
> Hagar
>
>
> Le 07/01/2013 09:25, Rod Lockwood a écrit :
>
>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:18:25 -0500,
> <us...@openoffice.apache.org> wrote:
>>> Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 manage the user profile differently
>>> than previous versions. The old user profile is automatically
>>> converted so that users can keep their extensions and settings. In a
>>> minority of cases, especially with highly customized profiles (many
>>> extensions or customizations) the conversion doesn't succeed. Common
>>> symptoms are: frequent application crashes, problems with
>>> dictionaries or thesaurus, OpenOffice starting and crashing after a
>>> few seconds. To solve this, just reset/rename your user profile as
>>> explained in the official OpenOffice forum.
>>> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426
>> How many times do you need to do this? I did this when I first installed
> AOO and now its doing the same thing. It is also annoying when the recovery
> isn’t needed to load the file or when no file exists and it makes it up.
> Canceling so you can just load from the file doesn’t do any good. It just
> closes and creates the dummy file.
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RE: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Posted by Maurice Howe <ma...@stny.rr.com>.
Helllooo, out there! We can keep telling folks to redo their bleeding
profile. How dumb is that! Fix it so that's never required, fer Kroist
sake! Microsoft never insisted we do that.
By the way, Boy & Girls -- if OpenOffice (by whatever flavor) wants to
remain compatible with MS Word, et al, then you better take another look at
the upward/downward compatibility between OO and other contenders. One
absolute MUST is the interface between the other contenders (AOO, MS Office,
et al). Else, you've got a gawd-awful and ever-lasting mess on your hands.
I despair...
Maurice D. Howe
General MacArthur Honor Guard Assn
616 Lacey Drive
Endwell, NY 13760
607-754-0469
Maurice@stny.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Hagar Delest [mailto:hagar.delest@laposte.net]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:10 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Personally, I've had to go through 5 or 6 recovery processes in a row before
it stopped crashing. It was under Windows XP. Since then, no problem.
Hagar
Le 07/01/2013 09:25, Rod Lockwood a écrit :
> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:18:25 -0500,
<us...@openoffice.apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 manage the user profile differently
>> than previous versions. The old user profile is automatically
>> converted so that users can keep their extensions and settings. In a
>> minority of cases, especially with highly customized profiles (many
>> extensions or customizations) the conversion doesn't succeed. Common
>> symptoms are: frequent application crashes, problems with
>> dictionaries or thesaurus, OpenOffice starting and crashing after a
>> few seconds. To solve this, just reset/rename your user profile as
>> explained in the official OpenOffice forum.
>> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426
>
> How many times do you need to do this? I did this when I first installed
AOO and now its doing the same thing. It is also annoying when the recovery
isnt needed to load the file or when no file exists and it makes it up.
Canceling so you can just load from the file doesnt do any good. It just
closes and creates the dummy file.
>
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Re: users Digest 5 Jan 2013 17:18:25 -0000 Issue 255
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Personally, I've had to go through 5 or 6 recovery processes in a row before it stopped crashing. It was under Windows XP. Since then, no problem.
Hagar
Le 07/01/2013 09:25, Rod Lockwood a écrit :
> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:18:25 -0500, <us...@openoffice.apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 manage the user profile differently than previous versions. The old user profile is automatically converted so that users can keep their extensions and settings. In a minority of cases, especially with highly customized profiles (many extensions or customizations) the conversion doesn't succeed. Common symptoms are: frequent application crashes, problems with dictionaries or thesaurus, OpenOffice starting and crashing after a few seconds. To solve this, just reset/rename your user profile as explained in the official OpenOffice forum. http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426
>
> How many times do you need to do this? I did this when I first installed AOO and now its doing the same thing. It is also annoying when the recovery isn’t needed to load the file or when no file exists and it makes it up. Canceling so you can just load from the file doesn’t do any good. It just closes and creates the dummy file.
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