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Posted to user@openmeetings.apache.org by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> on 2020/12/10 02:32:05 UTC
[ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Hello All,
the plan will be:
1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range
specific to your language
NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should be
less than code for the second one
codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
Thanks in advance
[1]
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and informing
> the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well,
>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize it
>> (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>
>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>> every language here
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>
>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>> WDYT?
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of our
>>> friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>
>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>
>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>
>>> English is a fun language.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English letters
>>>>> 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with
>>>>>> using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
>>>>>> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes
>>>>>>>> for it
>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the password?
>>>>>>>> The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to reset the
>>>>>>>> captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2561
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 11:48, Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
> there is plenty of time
> even JIRA is not created :))
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 11:43, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, you may use it for Farsi and Urdu as well.
>>
>> 05D0-05EA for Hebrew
>>
>> But, give me some time for 'Kurdish' as users are mostly using 'Kurdish
>> Sorani' and not 'Kurdish Kurmanji'
>>
>> On 12/10/20 6:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> Is it for Arabic only? (maybe it also will work for Persian) ?
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 10:33, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 0627-063A
>>>
>>> This the common range as other characters are scattered in the table and
>>> can not be in one range...
>>>
>>> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>
>>> please re-read my post
>>>
>>> especially this part:
>>> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
>>> range specific to your language*
>>> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
>>> should be less than code for the second one*
>>> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>> <http://www.unicode.org/charts/>*
>>>
>>> For Arabic the above mean:
>>> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>> 2) choose `Arabic`
>>> 3) send me the range for ex:
>>> start (code 0621) ء
>>> end (code 064A) ي
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
>>> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users,
>>>> first, they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not
>>>> exist in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
>>>> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> the plan will be:
>>>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>>>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>>>
>>>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
>>>> range specific to your language
>>>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
>>>> should be less than code for the second one
>>>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
>>>>> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize
>>>>>> it (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>>>>>> every language here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>>>>
>>>>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of
>>>>>>> our friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> English is a fun language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small
>>>>>>>>> ones?
>>>>>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English
>>>>>>>>> letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem
>>>>>>>>>> with using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that
>>>>>>>>>> the characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>>>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the
>>>>>>>>>>> captcha?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English
>>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> votes for it
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
there is plenty of time
even JIRA is not created :))
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 11:43, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
wrote:
> Yes, you may use it for Farsi and Urdu as well.
>
> 05D0-05EA for Hebrew
>
> But, give me some time for 'Kurdish' as users are mostly using 'Kurdish
> Sorani' and not 'Kurdish Kurmanji'
>
> On 12/10/20 6:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>
> Is it for Arabic only? (maybe it also will work for Persian) ?
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 10:33, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
> wrote:
>
>> 0627-063A
>>
>> This the common range as other characters are scattered in the table and
>> can not be in one range...
>>
>> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
>>
>>
>> On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> please re-read my post
>>
>> especially this part:
>> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
>> range specific to your language*
>> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
>> be less than code for the second one*
>> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>> <http://www.unicode.org/charts/>*
>>
>> For Arabic the above mean:
>> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>> 2) choose `Arabic`
>> 3) send me the range for ex:
>> start (code 0621) ء
>> end (code 064A) ي
>>
>>
>> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
>> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users, first,
>>> they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not exist
>>> in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
>>> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> the plan will be:
>>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>>
>>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
>>> range specific to your language
>>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
>>> be less than code for the second one
>>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
>>>> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well,
>>>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize
>>>>> it (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>>>>> every language here
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>>>
>>>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of
>>>>>> our friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> English is a fun language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small
>>>>>>>> ones?
>>>>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English
>>>>>>>> letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem
>>>>>>>>> with using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that
>>>>>>>>> the characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English
>>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough
>>>>>>>>>>> votes for it
>>>>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>>>>>>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to
>>>>>>>>>>> reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me
>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>.
Yes, you may use it for Farsi and Urdu as well.
05D0-05EA for Hebrew
But, give me some time for 'Kurdish' as users are mostly using 'Kurdish
Sorani' and not 'Kurdish Kurmanji'
On 12/10/20 6:55 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> Is it for Arabic only? (maybe it also will work for Persian) ?
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 10:33, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>
> 0627-063A
>
> This the common range as other characters are scattered in the
> table and can not be in one range...
>
> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
>
>
> On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> please re-read my post
>>
>> especially this part:
>> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me
>> the range specific to your language*
>> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first
>> letter should be less than code for the second one*
>> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/*
>>
>> For Arabic the above mean:
>> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>> 2) choose `Arabic`
>> 3) send me the range for ex:
>> start (code 0621) ء
>> end (code 064A) ي
>>
>>
>> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
>> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>>
>> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many
>> users, first, they do not use Latin characters, second,
>> 'capital' concept does not exist in their alphabets. can it
>> be only numerals '0-9' ?
>>
>> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> the plan will be:
>>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>>
>>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send
>>> me the range specific to your language
>>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first
>>> letter should be less than code for the second one
>>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas
>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital
>>> letters and informing the user accordingly is a
>>> fantastic idea.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik
>>> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well,
>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can
>>> re-translate/customize it (upgrade might be an issue
>>> here ...)
>>>
>>> Additionally we might add
>>> `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to every
>>> language here
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>
>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an
>>> issue ...)
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas
>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just realized that I should offer this
>>> clarification for some of our friends, to avoid
>>> any misunderstandings:
>>>
>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>
>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>
>>> English is a fun language.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas
>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik
>>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be
>>> used instead of small ones?
>>> And maybe there will be text like:
>>> Captcha consist of English letters 'A' -
>>> 'Z' only ....
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert
>>> Savickas <robsavickas@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Friends,
>>>
>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin
>>> alfabets, have no problem with using
>>> Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>
>>> My current problem with the captcha,
>>> shared by my users is that the
>>> characters are often hard to
>>> recognize. Capital I vesus small l.
>>> Or capital I verus ]. Or m versus n.
>>> Or g versus q. Often, the letters
>>> are sufficiently deformed so as to
>>> be difficult not only to Robot, but
>>> also to Robert and other humans to
>>> distinguish. As a result, several
>>> captchas are often needed till a
>>> person can get it.
>>>
>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for
>>> teaching folks how to have patience,
>>> highly recommended. But sometimes,
>>> folks are under the time pressure to
>>> enter the meeting (now, why do they
>>> try to connect only in the very last
>>> minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim
>>> Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> the bad news: there seems to be
>>> no universal way to determine
>>> alphabet by language
>>> the ugly news: there are
>>> languages without alphabet ....
>>>
>>> start and end character can be
>>> manually specified here
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>
>>>
>>> Another option might be to made
>>> this range _optional_
>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if
>>> else is not specified ....
>>> Not sure is someone will bother
>>> to specify different range ...
>>>
>>> but I'm not sure how good is
>>> this idea :(((
>>>
>>> @Robert what kind of
>>> difficulties your user have with
>>> the captcha?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali
>>> Alhaidary
>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We can write the language
>>> name on the 'new user' or
>>> 'change password'
>>> screens ...
>>>
>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim
>>> Solodovnik wrote:
>>> > It is definitely can be
>>> localized
>>> > unfortunately this might
>>> lead to issues with guessing
>>> the text
>>> > for ex. many letters in
>>> Russian looks exactly as in
>>> English but the
>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at
>>> 19:05, Ali Alhaidary
>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> If no votes are
>>> collected, can we localize it?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali
>>> Alhaidary wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Any more votes?
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali
>>> Alhaidary wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim
>>> Solodovnik wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> And as usual I'll add
>>> such switch if there will be
>>> enough votes for it
>>> >> while I, personally, will
>>> not recommend to use it
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at
>>> 13:14, Ali Alhaidary
>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> True, one can not always
>>> get what he loves :-)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM,
>>> Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Well,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of
>>> such "enhancements"
>>> >>> with all these options
>>> password "can be 'qwerty'
>>> again" ....
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at
>>> 12:58, Ali Alhaidary
>>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> I would love it to be
>>> an option like caps and
>>> special characters,
>>> especially with the
>>> difficulty of RTL users like
>>> ours :-)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM,
>>> Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> it is currently
>>> impossible without code
>>> modification
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at
>>> 14:37, Robert Savickas
>>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Is there a way to
>>> disable captcha when
>>> changing the password? The
>>> images are often difficult
>>> to read, and many users have
>>> to reset the captcha image a
>>> few times, till they finally
>>> get it.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>> >>>>> Robert
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020,
>>> 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik
>>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I have added
>>> notifications to OM (as part
>>> of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>> >>>>>> Could you please
>>> take a look at demo-next and
>>> tell me WDYT?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be
>>> improved somehow?
>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything
>>> else :)
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>> Maxim
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Best regards,
>>> >>> Maxim
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Best regards,
>>> >> Maxim
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Is it for Arabic only? (maybe it also will work for Persian) ?
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 10:33, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
wrote:
> 0627-063A
>
> This the common range as other characters are scattered in the table and
> can not be in one range...
>
> https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
>
>
> On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>
> please re-read my post
>
> especially this part:
> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range
> specific to your language*
> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
> be less than code for the second one*
> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
> <http://www.unicode.org/charts/>*
>
> For Arabic the above mean:
> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
> 2) choose `Arabic`
> 3) send me the range for ex:
> start (code 0621) ء
> end (code 064A) ي
>
>
> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
> wrote:
>
>> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users, first,
>> they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not exist
>> in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
>> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> the plan will be:
>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>
>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range
>> specific to your language
>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
>> be less than code for the second one
>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
>>> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well,
>>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize it
>>>> (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>>>
>>>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>>>> every language here
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>>
>>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of our
>>>>> friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>>>
>>>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>>>
>>>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>>>
>>>>> English is a fun language.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
>>>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English
>>>>>>> letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with
>>>>>>>> using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
>>>>>>>> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough
>>>>>>>>>> votes for it
>>>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>>>>>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to
>>>>>>>>>> reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me
>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>.
0627-063A
This the common range as other characters are scattered in the table and
can not be in one range...
https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf
On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> please re-read my post
>
> especially this part:
> *If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
> range specific to your language*
> *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
> should be less than code for the second one*
> *codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/*
>
> For Arabic the above mean:
> 1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
> 2) choose `Arabic`
> 3) send me the range for ex:
> start (code 0621) ء
> end (code 064A) ي
>
>
> I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
> so you can do this change later on for your local installation
>
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>
> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users,
> first, they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept
> does not exist in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
>
> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> the plan will be:
>> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
>> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>>
>> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me
>> the range specific to your language
>> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
>> should be less than code for the second one
>> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas
>> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters
>> and informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik
>> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well,
>> the info text is just a label, site admin can
>> re-translate/customize it (upgrade might be an issue here
>> ...)
>>
>> Additionally we might add
>> `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to every language
>> here
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>
>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an
>> issue ...)
>> WDYT?
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas
>> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I just realized that I should offer this
>> clarification for some of our friends, to avoid any
>> misunderstandings:
>>
>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>
>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>
>> English is a fun language.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas
>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik
>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used
>> instead of small ones?
>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha
>> consist of English letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas
>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin
>> alfabets, have no problem with using
>> Latin letters in the captcha.
>>
>> My current problem with the captcha,
>> shared by my users is that the characters
>> are often hard to recognize. Capital I
>> vesus small l. Or capital I verus ]. Or
>> m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the
>> letters are sufficiently deformed so as
>> to be difficult not only to Robot, but
>> also to Robert and other humans to
>> distinguish. As a result, several
>> captchas are often needed till a person
>> can get it.
>>
>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for
>> teaching folks how to have patience,
>> highly recommended. But sometimes, folks
>> are under the time pressure to enter the
>> meeting (now, why do they try to connect
>> only in the very last minute, that's a
>> separate question)...
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim
>> Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> the bad news: there seems to be no
>> universal way to determine alphabet
>> by language
>> the ugly news: there are languages
>> without alphabet ....
>>
>> start and end character can be
>> manually specified here
>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>
>>
>> Another option might be to made this
>> range _optional_
>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is
>> not specified ....
>> Not sure is someone will bother to
>> specify different range ...
>>
>> but I'm not sure how good is this
>> idea :(((
>>
>> @Robert what kind of difficulties
>> your user have with the captcha?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali
>> Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We can write the language name on
>> the 'new user' or 'change password'
>> screens ...
>>
>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim
>> Solodovnik wrote:
>> > It is definitely can be localized
>> > unfortunately this might lead
>> to issues with guessing the text
>> > for ex. many letters in Russian
>> looks exactly as in English but the
>> > text will not be equal :((
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05,
>> Ali Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>> wrote:
>> >> If no votes are collected, can
>> we localize it?
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali
>> Alhaidary wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Any more votes?
>> >>
>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali
>> Alhaidary wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am with it :-)
>> >>
>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim
>> Solodovnik wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And as usual I'll add such
>> switch if there will be enough
>> votes for it
>> >> while I, personally, will not
>> recommend to use it
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14,
>> Ali Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>> wrote:
>> >>> True, one can not always get
>> what he loves :-)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim
>> Solodovnik wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Well,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such
>> "enhancements"
>> >>> with all these options
>> password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58,
>> Ali Alhaidary
>> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
>> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> I would love it to be an
>> option like caps and special
>> characters, especially with the
>> difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim
>> Solodovnik wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> it is currently impossible
>> without code modification
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at
>> 14:37, Robert Savickas
>> <robsavickas@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable
>> captcha when changing the
>> password? The images are often
>> difficult to read, and many users
>> have to reset the captcha image a
>> few times, till they finally get it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>> Robert
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15
>> Maxim Solodovnik
>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have added notifications
>> to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>> >>>>>> Could you please take a
>> look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> maybe it should be
>> improved somehow?
>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>> Maxim
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>> Maxim
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Maxim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Maxim
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
please re-read my post
especially this part:
*If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range
specific to your language*
*NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
be less than code for the second one*
*codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
<http://www.unicode.org/charts/>*
For Arabic the above mean:
1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
2) choose `Arabic`
3) send me the range for ex:
start (code 0621) ء
end (code 064A) ي
I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
so you can do this change later on for your local installation
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>
wrote:
> unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users, first,
> they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not exist
> in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
> On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> the plan will be:
> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>
> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range
> specific to your language
> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should
> be less than code for the second one
> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
>> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well,
>>> the info text is just a label, site admin can re-translate/customize it
>>> (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>>>
>>> Additionally we might add `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to
>>> every language here
>>>
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>>>
>>> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for some of our
>>>> friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>>>>
>>>> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>>>>
>>>> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>>>>
>>>> English is a fun language.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Would it help if Capital letters will be used instead of small ones?
>>>>>> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist of English letters
>>>>>> 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas <ro...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets, have no problem with
>>>>>>> using Latin letters in the captcha.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My current problem with the captcha, shared by my users is that the
>>>>>>> characters are often hard to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
>>>>>>> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus q. Often, the letters are
>>>>>>> sufficiently deformed so as to be difficult not only to Robot, but also to
>>>>>>> Robert and other humans to distinguish. As a result, several captchas are
>>>>>>> often needed till a person can get it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching folks how to have
>>>>>>> patience, highly recommended. But sometimes, folks are under the time
>>>>>>> pressure to enter the meeting (now, why do they try to connect only in the
>>>>>>> very last minute, that's a separate question)...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the bad news: there seems to be no universal way to determine
>>>>>>>> alphabet by language
>>>>>>>> the ugly news: there are languages without alphabet ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> start and end character can be manually specified here
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another option might be to made this range _optional_
>>>>>>>> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not specified ....
>>>>>>>> Not sure is someone will bother to specify different range ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Robert what kind of difficulties your user have with the captcha?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can write the language name on the 'new user' or 'change
>>>>>>>>> password'
>>>>>>>>> screens ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > It is definitely can be localized
>>>>>>>>> > unfortunately this might lead to issues with guessing the text
>>>>>>>>> > for ex. many letters in Russian looks exactly as in English but
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > text will not be equal :((
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> If no votes are collected, can we localize it?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Any more votes?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> I am with it :-)
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> And as usual I'll add such switch if there will be enough votes
>>>>>>>>> for it
>>>>>>>>> >> while I, personally, will not recommend to use it
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> True, one can not always get what he loves :-)
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Well,
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> I'm not a big fan of such "enhancements"
>>>>>>>>> >>> with all these options password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali Alhaidary <
>>>>>>>>> ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>> I would love it to be an option like caps and special
>>>>>>>>> characters, especially with the difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hello Robert,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> it is currently impossible without code modification
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37, Robert Savickas <
>>>>>>>>> robsavickas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to disable captcha when changing the
>>>>>>>>> password? The images are often difficult to read, and many users have to
>>>>>>>>> reset the captcha image a few times, till they finally get it.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>>>> solomax666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I have added notifications to OM (as part of
>>>>>>>>> OPENMEETINGS-2190)
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Could you please take a look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved somehow?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>>> >>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> >>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> >> Maxim
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
--
Best regards,
Maxim
Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Disabling captcha
Posted by Ali Alhaidary <al...@the5stars.org>.
unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users, first,
they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not
exist in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?
On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> the plan will be:
> 1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
> 2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'
>
> If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the
> range specific to your language
> NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
> should be less than code for the second one
> codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <robsavickas@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
> informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Well,
> the info text is just a label, site admin can
> re-translate/customize it (upgrade might be an issue here ...)
>
> Additionally we might add
> `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to every language here
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
> with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages
>
> site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
> WDYT?
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas
> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I just realized that I should offer this clarification for
> some of our friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:
>
> "terrific" means "wonderful"
>
> "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!
>
> English is a fun language.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas
> <robsavickas@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik
> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Would it help if Capital letters will be used
> instead of small ones?
> And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist
> of English letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas
> <robsavickas@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets,
> have no problem with using Latin letters in
> the captcha.
>
> My current problem with the captcha, shared by
> my users is that the characters are often hard
> to recognize. Capital I vesus small l. Or
> capital I verus ]. Or m versus n. Or g versus
> q. Often, the letters are sufficiently
> deformed so as to be difficult not only to
> Robot, but also to Robert and other humans to
> distinguish. As a result, several captchas
> are often needed till a person can get it.
>
> Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching
> folks how to have patience, highly
> recommended. But sometimes, folks are under
> the time pressure to enter the meeting (now,
> why do they try to connect only in the very
> last minute, that's a separate question)...
>
> Thank you.
> Robert
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik
> <solomax666@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> the bad news: there seems to be no
> universal way to determine alphabet by
> language
> the ugly news: there are languages without
> alphabet ....
>
> start and end character can be manually
> specified here
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
>
>
> Another option might be to made this range
> _optional_
> so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not
> specified ....
> Not sure is someone will bother to specify
> different range ...
>
> but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((
>
> @Robert what kind of difficulties your
> user have with the captcha?
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary
> <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>> wrote:
>
> We can write the language name on the
> 'new user' or 'change password'
> screens ...
>
> On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik
> wrote:
> > It is definitely can be localized
> > unfortunately this might lead to
> issues with guessing the text
> > for ex. many letters in Russian
> looks exactly as in English but the
> > text will not be equal :((
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali
> Alhaidary <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
> wrote:
> >> If no votes are collected, can we
> localize it?
> >>
> >>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Any more votes?
> >>
> >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am with it :-)
> >>
> >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim
> Solodovnik wrote:
> >>
> >> And as usual I'll add such switch
> if there will be enough votes for it
> >> while I, personally, will not
> recommend to use it
> >>
> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali
> Alhaidary <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
> wrote:
> >>> True, one can not always get what
> he loves :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim
> Solodovnik wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well,
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a big fan of such
> "enhancements"
> >>> with all these options password
> "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali
> Alhaidary <ali.alhaidary@the5stars.org
> <ma...@the5stars.org>>
> wrote:
> >>>> I would love it to be an option
> like caps and special characters,
> especially with the difficulty of RTL
> users like ours :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim
> Solodovnik wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Robert,
> >>>>
> >>>> it is currently impossible
> without code modification
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37,
> Robert Savickas <robsavickas@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>> Dear Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there a way to disable
> captcha when changing the password?
> The images are often difficult to
> read, and many users have to reset the
> captcha image a few times, till they
> finally get it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>> Robert
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15
> Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have added notifications to
> OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
> >>>>>> Could you please take a look
> at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> maybe it should be improved
> somehow?
> >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Maxim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Maxim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Maxim
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Maxim
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim