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Posted to users@cocoon.apache.org by "Konovalov, Oleg " <ol...@citi.com> on 2009/02/25 15:23:09 UTC
RE: Forms builder
Job,
I was able to get a fair amount of info on Orbeon,
but on Chiba - it's almost nothing: most links are broken (demo, etc.),
I can't gather much at all. Could you recommend a good source of info?
Have you tried Orbeon Form Builder ? What's your impression ?
Have you tried Lotus Forms ?
Thank you,
Oleg.
-----Original Message-----
From: Job van Ommen [mailto:jobvanommen@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:42 AM
To: users@cocoon.apache.org
Subject: Re: Cocoon Forms builder
If you are looking for XForm tools you should check out orbeon and chiba. They are both pretty decent.
Regards,
Job
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Konovalov, Oleg <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
> Derek,
>
> When you say that all layout is done by stylesheets, do you mean XSL or CSS ?
> If so, how do I build the stylesheet graphically [more in Design mode]?
> My users will not be programmers,
> so I would like to avoid exposing them to some heavy coding.
>
> Also, I've heard of Xforms, but that it's not supported by IE6&7 (is
> it true?)
>
> Could anyone compare CForms and XForms ?
> Any tools for them ?
>
> Thank you,
> Oleg.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derek Hohls [mailto:DHohls@csir.co.za]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:17 AM
> To: users@cocoon.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Cocoon Forms builder
>
> Oleg
>
> I am not quite sure why you want to build a form graphically - given that all the layout is done by stylesheets? The forms essentially only contain the field definition and any logic required to validate or alter/display their values. FWIW, I have a small Python program that creates basic forms (and the logic my app uses to manipulate them) from an SQL statement.
>
> Derek
>
>>>> On 2009/02/19 at 11:59, in message <11...@EXNJMB71.nam.nsroot.net>, "Konovalov, Oleg " <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Are you aware of any tool which allows to build CForms graphically, similar to how many Eclipse plugins ?
> We have a limited set of XML fields, need to create (or find) a tool to build forms through the GUI for non-programmers.
> If not, how would you build such a tool, any building blocks ?
> Any help is very appreciated.
> TIA,
> Oleg Konovalov
> Email: oleg.konovalov@citi.com
>
>
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RE: Forms builder
Posted by "Konovalov, Oleg " <ol...@citi.com>.
I think, that project died about 2006 :-(
Pity !
Oleg.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeroen Reijn [mailto:j.reijn@onehippo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:25 AM
To: users@cocoon.apache.org
Cc: 'Job van Ommen'
Subject: Re: Forms builder
Hi Oleg,
as far as I can remember there used to be an eclipse plugin for Cocoon forms, which could be used to create forms. See [1] for more information. I'm not really sure it the project still exists/is alive, but there was an effort to create something like it.
[1]http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-lepido/
Regards,
Jeroen
Konovalov, Oleg wrote:
> Job,
>
> What I need is a Forms Builder tool (probably visual stylesheet
> editor, so non-tech user can take XML Schema, select elements he
> needs, lay them on the screen, add some validations including
> individual fields and field1+field2+...=total) and be able to submit that info to the host.
>
> That's what Altova StyleVision does, but it's only ActiveX/IE.
>
> AFAIK, there is no tool like that in Cocoon world (if not, please
> correct me!) It probably should be an Eclpse plugin, I can't build it
> myself. :-(
>
> Chiba doesn't have such tool.
> Orbeon has Forms Builder in alpha (can't even save generated Xforms file yet).
>
> IBM free Visual Xforms Designer/XML Form Generator seem to be in beta
> and long abandoned (Eclipse 3.2 only)
>
> I started looking at IBM Lotus Forms (eForms). Any idea about it ?
> Does it require some IBM servers (e.g. WS portal)?
>
> Thank you,
> Oleg.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Job van Ommen [mailto:jobvanommen@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:53 AM
> To: Konovalov, Oleg [CMB-IT]
> Cc: users@cocoon.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Forms builder
>
> Dear Oleg,
>
> The reason I decided not to use chiba is the exact reason you mention.
> Altho I did get the demo working, and I found the chibacookbook. In the past there was a project called chicoon integrating Chiba with cocoon. But that was a long time ago with older versions.
>
> I did play with the Orbeon form builder, my first impression was that it was very promising. But because XFORMS aren't widely accepted yet I saw no need in using them while there was a perfectly good form solution within cocoon.
>
> So the question you should probably be asking yourself is do I want cocoon, or just a form utility?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Job
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Konovalov, Oleg <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>> Job,
>>
>> I was able to get a fair amount of info on Orbeon, but on Chiba -
>> it's almost nothing: most links are broken (demo, etc.), I can't
>> gather much at all. Could you recommend a good source of info?
>>
>> Have you tried Orbeon Form Builder ? What's your impression ?
>>
>> Have you tried Lotus Forms ?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Oleg.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Job van Ommen [mailto:jobvanommen@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:42 AM
>> To: users@cocoon.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Cocoon Forms builder
>>
>> If you are looking for XForm tools you should check out orbeon and chiba. They are both pretty decent.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Job
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Konovalov, Oleg <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>>> Derek,
>>>
>>> When you say that all layout is done by stylesheets, do you mean XSL or CSS ?
>>> If so, how do I build the stylesheet graphically [more in Design mode]?
>>> My users will not be programmers,
>>> so I would like to avoid exposing them to some heavy coding.
>>>
>>> Also, I've heard of Xforms, but that it's not supported by IE6&7 (is
>>> it true?)
>>>
>>> Could anyone compare CForms and XForms ?
>>> Any tools for them ?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Oleg.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Derek Hohls [mailto:DHohls@csir.co.za]
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:17 AM
>>> To: users@cocoon.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Cocoon Forms builder
>>>
>>> Oleg
>>>
>>> I am not quite sure why you want to build a form graphically - given that all the layout is done by stylesheets? The forms essentially only contain the field definition and any logic required to validate or alter/display their values. FWIW, I have a small Python program that creates basic forms (and the logic my app uses to manipulate them) from an SQL statement.
>>>
>>> Derek
>>>
>>>>>> On 2009/02/19 at 11:59, in message <11...@EXNJMB71.nam.nsroot.net>, "Konovalov, Oleg " <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Are you aware of any tool which allows to build CForms graphically, similar to how many Eclipse plugins ?
>>> We have a limited set of XML fields, need to create (or find) a tool to build forms through the GUI for non-programmers.
>>> If not, how would you build such a tool, any building blocks ?
>>> Any help is very appreciated.
>>> TIA,
>>> Oleg Konovalov
>>> Email: oleg.konovalov@citi.com
>>>
>>>
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Re: Forms builder
Posted by Jeroen Reijn <j....@onehippo.com>.
Hi Oleg,
as far as I can remember there used to be an eclipse plugin for Cocoon
forms, which could be used to create forms. See [1] for more
information. I'm not really sure it the project still exists/is alive,
but there was an effort to create something like it.
[1]http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-lepido/
Regards,
Jeroen
Konovalov, Oleg wrote:
> Job,
>
> What I need is a Forms Builder tool (probably visual stylesheet editor,
> so non-tech user can take XML Schema, select elements he needs, lay them on the screen,
> add some validations including individual fields and field1+field2+...=total)
> and be able to submit that info to the host.
>
> That's what Altova StyleVision does, but it's only ActiveX/IE.
>
> AFAIK, there is no tool like that in Cocoon world (if not, please correct me!)
> It probably should be an Eclpse plugin, I can't build it myself. :-(
>
> Chiba doesn't have such tool.
> Orbeon has Forms Builder in alpha (can't even save generated Xforms file yet).
>
> IBM free Visual Xforms Designer/XML Form Generator seem to be in beta and long abandoned
> (Eclipse 3.2 only)
>
> I started looking at IBM Lotus Forms (eForms). Any idea about it ?
> Does it require some IBM servers (e.g. WS portal)?
>
> Thank you,
> Oleg.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Job van Ommen [mailto:jobvanommen@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:53 AM
> To: Konovalov, Oleg [CMB-IT]
> Cc: users@cocoon.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Forms builder
>
> Dear Oleg,
>
> The reason I decided not to use chiba is the exact reason you mention.
> Altho I did get the demo working, and I found the chibacookbook. In the past there was a project called chicoon integrating Chiba with cocoon. But that was a long time ago with older versions.
>
> I did play with the Orbeon form builder, my first impression was that it was very promising. But because XFORMS aren't widely accepted yet I saw no need in using them while there was a perfectly good form solution within cocoon.
>
> So the question you should probably be asking yourself is do I want cocoon, or just a form utility?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Job
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Konovalov, Oleg <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>> Job,
>>
>> I was able to get a fair amount of info on Orbeon, but on Chiba - it's
>> almost nothing: most links are broken (demo, etc.), I can't gather
>> much at all. Could you recommend a good source of info?
>>
>> Have you tried Orbeon Form Builder ? What's your impression ?
>>
>> Have you tried Lotus Forms ?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Oleg.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Job van Ommen [mailto:jobvanommen@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:42 AM
>> To: users@cocoon.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Cocoon Forms builder
>>
>> If you are looking for XForm tools you should check out orbeon and chiba. They are both pretty decent.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Job
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Konovalov, Oleg <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>>> Derek,
>>>
>>> When you say that all layout is done by stylesheets, do you mean XSL or CSS ?
>>> If so, how do I build the stylesheet graphically [more in Design mode]?
>>> My users will not be programmers,
>>> so I would like to avoid exposing them to some heavy coding.
>>>
>>> Also, I've heard of Xforms, but that it's not supported by IE6&7 (is
>>> it true?)
>>>
>>> Could anyone compare CForms and XForms ?
>>> Any tools for them ?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Oleg.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Derek Hohls [mailto:DHohls@csir.co.za]
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:17 AM
>>> To: users@cocoon.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Cocoon Forms builder
>>>
>>> Oleg
>>>
>>> I am not quite sure why you want to build a form graphically - given that all the layout is done by stylesheets? The forms essentially only contain the field definition and any logic required to validate or alter/display their values. FWIW, I have a small Python program that creates basic forms (and the logic my app uses to manipulate them) from an SQL statement.
>>>
>>> Derek
>>>
>>>>>> On 2009/02/19 at 11:59, in message <11...@EXNJMB71.nam.nsroot.net>, "Konovalov, Oleg " <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Are you aware of any tool which allows to build CForms graphically, similar to how many Eclipse plugins ?
>>> We have a limited set of XML fields, need to create (or find) a tool to build forms through the GUI for non-programmers.
>>> If not, how would you build such a tool, any building blocks ?
>>> Any help is very appreciated.
>>> TIA,
>>> Oleg Konovalov
>>> Email: oleg.konovalov@citi.com
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard.
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RE: Forms builder
Posted by "Konovalov, Oleg " <ol...@citi.com>.
Job,
What I need is a Forms Builder tool (probably visual stylesheet editor,
so non-tech user can take XML Schema, select elements he needs, lay them on the screen,
add some validations including individual fields and field1+field2+...=total)
and be able to submit that info to the host.
That's what Altova StyleVision does, but it's only ActiveX/IE.
AFAIK, there is no tool like that in Cocoon world (if not, please correct me!)
It probably should be an Eclpse plugin, I can't build it myself. :-(
Chiba doesn't have such tool.
Orbeon has Forms Builder in alpha (can't even save generated Xforms file yet).
IBM free Visual Xforms Designer/XML Form Generator seem to be in beta and long abandoned
(Eclipse 3.2 only)
I started looking at IBM Lotus Forms (eForms). Any idea about it ?
Does it require some IBM servers (e.g. WS portal)?
Thank you,
Oleg.
-----Original Message-----
From: Job van Ommen [mailto:jobvanommen@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:53 AM
To: Konovalov, Oleg [CMB-IT]
Cc: users@cocoon.apache.org
Subject: Re: Forms builder
Dear Oleg,
The reason I decided not to use chiba is the exact reason you mention.
Altho I did get the demo working, and I found the chibacookbook. In the past there was a project called chicoon integrating Chiba with cocoon. But that was a long time ago with older versions.
I did play with the Orbeon form builder, my first impression was that it was very promising. But because XFORMS aren't widely accepted yet I saw no need in using them while there was a perfectly good form solution within cocoon.
So the question you should probably be asking yourself is do I want cocoon, or just a form utility?
Regards,
Job
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Konovalov, Oleg <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
> Job,
>
> I was able to get a fair amount of info on Orbeon, but on Chiba - it's
> almost nothing: most links are broken (demo, etc.), I can't gather
> much at all. Could you recommend a good source of info?
>
> Have you tried Orbeon Form Builder ? What's your impression ?
>
> Have you tried Lotus Forms ?
>
> Thank you,
> Oleg.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Job van Ommen [mailto:jobvanommen@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:42 AM
> To: users@cocoon.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Cocoon Forms builder
>
> If you are looking for XForm tools you should check out orbeon and chiba. They are both pretty decent.
>
> Regards,
>
> Job
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Konovalov, Oleg <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>> Derek,
>>
>> When you say that all layout is done by stylesheets, do you mean XSL or CSS ?
>> If so, how do I build the stylesheet graphically [more in Design mode]?
>> My users will not be programmers,
>> so I would like to avoid exposing them to some heavy coding.
>>
>> Also, I've heard of Xforms, but that it's not supported by IE6&7 (is
>> it true?)
>>
>> Could anyone compare CForms and XForms ?
>> Any tools for them ?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Oleg.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Derek Hohls [mailto:DHohls@csir.co.za]
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:17 AM
>> To: users@cocoon.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Cocoon Forms builder
>>
>> Oleg
>>
>> I am not quite sure why you want to build a form graphically - given that all the layout is done by stylesheets? The forms essentially only contain the field definition and any logic required to validate or alter/display their values. FWIW, I have a small Python program that creates basic forms (and the logic my app uses to manipulate them) from an SQL statement.
>>
>> Derek
>>
>>>>> On 2009/02/19 at 11:59, in message <11...@EXNJMB71.nam.nsroot.net>, "Konovalov, Oleg " <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Are you aware of any tool which allows to build CForms graphically, similar to how many Eclipse plugins ?
>> We have a limited set of XML fields, need to create (or find) a tool to build forms through the GUI for non-programmers.
>> If not, how would you build such a tool, any building blocks ?
>> Any help is very appreciated.
>> TIA,
>> Oleg Konovalov
>> Email: oleg.konovalov@citi.com
>>
>>
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Re: Forms builder
Posted by Job van Ommen <jo...@gmail.com>.
Dear Oleg,
The reason I decided not to use chiba is the exact reason you mention.
Altho I did get the demo working, and I found the chibacookbook. In
the past there was a project called chicoon integrating Chiba with
cocoon. But that was a long time ago with older versions.
I did play with the Orbeon form builder, my first impression was that
it was very promising. But because XFORMS aren't widely accepted yet I
saw no need in using them while there was a perfectly good form
solution within cocoon.
So the question you should probably be asking yourself is do I want
cocoon, or just a form utility?
Regards,
Job
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Konovalov, Oleg
<ol...@citi.com> wrote:
> Job,
>
> I was able to get a fair amount of info on Orbeon,
> but on Chiba - it's almost nothing: most links are broken (demo, etc.),
> I can't gather much at all. Could you recommend a good source of info?
>
> Have you tried Orbeon Form Builder ? What's your impression ?
>
> Have you tried Lotus Forms ?
>
> Thank you,
> Oleg.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Job van Ommen [mailto:jobvanommen@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:42 AM
> To: users@cocoon.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Cocoon Forms builder
>
> If you are looking for XForm tools you should check out orbeon and chiba. They are both pretty decent.
>
> Regards,
>
> Job
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Konovalov, Oleg <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>> Derek,
>>
>> When you say that all layout is done by stylesheets, do you mean XSL or CSS ?
>> If so, how do I build the stylesheet graphically [more in Design mode]?
>> My users will not be programmers,
>> so I would like to avoid exposing them to some heavy coding.
>>
>> Also, I've heard of Xforms, but that it's not supported by IE6&7 (is
>> it true?)
>>
>> Could anyone compare CForms and XForms ?
>> Any tools for them ?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Oleg.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Derek Hohls [mailto:DHohls@csir.co.za]
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:17 AM
>> To: users@cocoon.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Cocoon Forms builder
>>
>> Oleg
>>
>> I am not quite sure why you want to build a form graphically - given that all the layout is done by stylesheets? The forms essentially only contain the field definition and any logic required to validate or alter/display their values. FWIW, I have a small Python program that creates basic forms (and the logic my app uses to manipulate them) from an SQL statement.
>>
>> Derek
>>
>>>>> On 2009/02/19 at 11:59, in message <11...@EXNJMB71.nam.nsroot.net>, "Konovalov, Oleg " <ol...@citi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Are you aware of any tool which allows to build CForms graphically, similar to how many Eclipse plugins ?
>> We have a limited set of XML fields, need to create (or find) a tool to build forms through the GUI for non-programmers.
>> If not, how would you build such a tool, any building blocks ?
>> Any help is very appreciated.
>> TIA,
>> Oleg Konovalov
>> Email: oleg.konovalov@citi.com
>>
>>
>> --
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