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Posted to users@myfaces.apache.org by Jonas Jacobi <jo...@oracle.com> on 2005/06/01 01:45:13 UTC

Re: java studio creator and myfaces

Hi Lorenzo,

There have been discussion on standardizing some of the design time 
support for components. Last year at JavaOne there were one presentation 
<http://javaoneonline.mentorware.net/servlet/mware.servlets.StudentServlet?mt=1117582862772&mwaction=showDescr&class_id=28015&fromtopic=By%20Topic&subsysid=2000&topic=technical&avail_frames=true> 
(TS-1103) raising this issue followed by a proposal posted on JSFCentral 
<http://www.jsfcentral.com/articles/oracle_metadata_proposal.html>. 
These discussion did not, at that point, take in account that some tools 
vendor would go off on their own creating proprietary extensions that 
component providers have to comply with in order to get some level of 
support in the IDE.

I wrote an article on the same topic for FTPOnline (JavaPro) 
<http://www.ftponline.com/channels/java/2005_05/jjacobi_05_25_05/> that 
talks about the issues and what is going on to address this.

Thanks,
Jonas

Lorenzo Sicilia wrote:

> Lorenzo Sicilia wrote:
>
>> Werner Punz wrote:
>>
>>> Blame it to the missing standadization on how the components deliver
>>> the information which is needed to render them in RAD tools.
>>
>>
>> It's a true problem.
>>
>>> (There is a standardization underway however)
>>
>>
>> in jsf 1.2?
>
>
> I found the answer here;
> http://java.sun.com/developer/community/chat/JavaLive/2004/jl1207.html
>
> regards Lorenzo


-- 
-------------------------------------------------------
*Jonas Jacobi
*Principal Product Manager - JSF & ADF Faces
Oracle JDeveloper
Oracle, Redwood Shores, CA
*Blog*: http://www.orablogs.com/jjacobi
*Site*: http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/java/jsf.html



Re: New JSR - JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServerTM Faces Components

Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <mw...@gmail.com>.
Sure this is a valid point. The JSF-Ajax-Blueprints components are
also delivering
external resources like javascript files, to render the Ajax stuff.
I like to way our ExtensionFilter does that and its AddResource clazz
for adding stuff.

Perhaps the EG is still disscussing issues like this to have a standard way 
for including (external) resources.
(Manfred are you listining?)

-Matthias

On 6/19/05, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have already applied for membership, the thing that is the most
> problematic one to me regarding this is the MyFaces Extension filter
> and how to have a standard way to include these ressources.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Martin
> 
> On 6/15/05, Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Do any of us have the bandwidth to join this EG?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 14, 2005, at 4:15 PM, Jonas Jacobi wrote:
> >  Hi All,
> >
> >  Over the past year there has been several posts about JSF where comments
> > from the community has raised a concern - there is no standard way of
> > packaging, or defining additional design time metadata for custom JSF
> > components. This has been acknowledged by the JSF EG, and over the past 8
> > months there has been ongoing work to submit a proposal for a new JSR
> > addressing these needs based on the initial proposal posted on JSF Central
> >
> > Awhile back I wrote an article - Build Custom JSF Components - addressing
> > the concern about the lack of a defined way of providing. The hope is that
> > through this JSR, the Java community can work together to define a standard
> > solution to this problem. The Expert Group will consist of a representative
> > set of tool vendors and component authors, and the feedback of the community
> > will be actively solicited.
> >
> > I recommend that if you have an interest in creating your own custom UI
> > components this is a great opportunity to get involved in improving the
> > overall design-time experience for JSF UI components.
> >
> > Here is the URL for more information about this JSR:
> >
> > JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServerTM Faces Components
> >
> >
> > Jonas
> >
> >
> > Bill Dudney
> > MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> 


-- 
Matthias Wessendorf

Re: New JSR - JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServerTM Faces Components

Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
I have already applied for membership, the thing that is the most
problematic one to me regarding this is the MyFaces Extension filter
and how to have a standard way to include these ressources.

regards,

Martin

On 6/15/05, Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Do any of us have the bandwidth to join this EG?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 14, 2005, at 4:15 PM, Jonas Jacobi wrote:
>  Hi All,
>  
>  Over the past year there has been several posts about JSF where comments
> from the community has raised a concern - there is no standard way of
> packaging, or defining additional design time metadata for custom JSF
> components. This has been acknowledged by the JSF EG, and over the past 8
> months there has been ongoing work to submit a proposal for a new JSR
> addressing these needs based on the initial proposal posted on JSF Central 
> 
> Awhile back I wrote an article - Build Custom JSF Components - addressing
> the concern about the lack of a defined way of providing. The hope is that
> through this JSR, the Java community can work together to define a standard
> solution to this problem. The Expert Group will consist of a representative
> set of tool vendors and component authors, and the feedback of the community
> will be actively solicited.
> 
> I recommend that if you have an interest in creating your own custom UI
> components this is a great opportunity to get involved in improving the
> overall design-time experience for JSF UI components. 
> 
> Here is the URL for more information about this JSR:
> 
> JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServerTM Faces Components 
>  
> 
> Jonas
>  
>  
> Bill Dudney
> MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
> 
>  
>

Re: New JSR - JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServerTM Faces Components

Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org>.
Do any of us have the bandwidth to join this EG?


On Jun 14, 2005, at 4:15 PM, Jonas Jacobi wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Over the past year there has been several posts about JSF where  
> comments from the community has raised a concern - there is no  
> standard way of packaging, or defining additional design time  
> metadata for custom JSF components. This has been acknowledged by  
> the JSF EG, and over the past 8 months there has been ongoing work  
> to submit a proposal for a new JSR addressing these needs based on  
> the initial proposal posted on JSF Central
> Awhile back I wrote an article - Build Custom JSF Components -  
> addressing the concern about the lack of a defined way of  
> providing. The hope is that through this JSR, the Java community  
> can work together to define a standard solution to this problem.  
> The Expert Group will consist of a representative set of tool  
> vendors and component authors, and the feedback of the community  
> will be actively solicited.
>
> I recommend that if you have an interest in creating your own  
> custom UI components this is a great opportunity to get involved in  
> improving the overall design-time experience for JSF UI components.
>
> Here is the URL for more information about this JSR:
>
> JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServerTM Faces Components
>
> Jonas
>

Bill Dudney
MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org



New JSR - JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServerTM Faces Components

Posted by Jonas Jacobi <jo...@oracle.com>.
Hi All,

Over the past year there has been several posts about JSF where comments 
from the community has raised a concern - there is no standard way of 
packaging, or defining additional design time metadata for custom JSF 
components. This has been acknowledged by the JSF EG, and over the past 
8 months there has been ongoing work to submit a proposal for a new JSR 
addressing these needs based on the initial proposal posted on JSF 
Central <http://www.jsfcentral.com/articles/oracle_metadata_proposal.html>

Awhile back I wrote an article - Build Custom JSF Components 
<http://www.ftponline.com/channels/java/2005_05/jjacobi_05_25_05/default.aspx> 
- addressing the concern about the lack of a defined way of providing. 
The hope is that through this JSR, the Java community can work together 
to define a standard solution to this problem. The Expert Group will 
consist of a representative set of tool vendors and component authors, 
and the feedback of the community will be actively solicited.

I recommend that if you have an interest in creating your own custom UI 
components this is a great opportunity to get involved in improving the 
overall design-time experience for JSF UI components. 

Here is the URL for more information about this JSR:

JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServerTM Faces Components 
<http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=276>

Jonas


New JSR - JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServerTM Faces Components

Posted by Jonas Jacobi <jo...@oracle.com>.
Hi All,

Over the past year there has been several posts about JSF where comments 
from the community has raised a concern - there is no standard way of 
packaging, or defining additional design time metadata for custom JSF 
components. This has been acknowledged by the JSF EG, and over the past 
8 months there has been ongoing work to submit a proposal for a new JSR 
addressing these needs based on the initial proposal posted on JSF 
Central <http://www.jsfcentral.com/articles/oracle_metadata_proposal.html>

Awhile back I wrote an article - Build Custom JSF Components 
<http://www.ftponline.com/channels/java/2005_05/jjacobi_05_25_05/default.aspx> 
- addressing the concern about the lack of a defined way of providing. 
The hope is that through this JSR, the Java community can work together 
to define a standard solution to this problem. The Expert Group will 
consist of a representative set of tool vendors and component authors, 
and the feedback of the community will be actively solicited.

I recommend that if you have an interest in creating your own custom UI 
components this is a great opportunity to get involved in improving the 
overall design-time experience for JSF UI components. 

Here is the URL for more information about this JSR:

JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServerTM Faces Components 
<http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=276>

Jonas


Re: java studio creator and myfaces

Posted by Jonas Jacobi <jo...@oracle.com>.
Hi Lorenzo,

I'm glad that you like the article. To follow up on this thread I would 
like to announce that the fruit of a 8 months of lobbying has paid off.

There is now a new JSR - JSR 276: Design-Time Metadata for JavaServer^TM 
Faces Components that I think is going to be crucial for the success of 
JSF.  Here is the URL: http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=276

I think it would be great if someone from the MyFaces team joined this 
effort.

Thanks,
Jonas

Lorenzo Sicilia wrote:

> Jonas Jacobi wrote:
>
>> I wrote an article on the same topic for FTPOnline (JavaPro) 
>> <http://www.ftponline.com/channels/java/2005_05/jjacobi_05_25_05/> 
>> that talks about the issues and what is going on to address this.
>
>
> I read now your answer. Many thank, good article ;)
>
> regards lorenzo
>

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------
*Jonas Jacobi
*Principal Product Manager - JSF & ADF Faces
Oracle JDeveloper
Oracle, Redwood Shores, CA
*Blog*: http://www.orablogs.com/jjacobi
*Site*: http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/java/jsf.html



Re: java studio creator and myfaces

Posted by Lorenzo Sicilia <ar...@kemen.it>.
Jonas Jacobi wrote:
> I wrote an article on the same topic for FTPOnline (JavaPro) 
> <http://www.ftponline.com/channels/java/2005_05/jjacobi_05_25_05/> that 
> talks about the issues and what is going on to address this.

I read now your answer. Many thank, good article ;)

regards lorenzo