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Posted to user@couchdb.apache.org by David Coallier <da...@php.net> on 2010/07/09 11:38:26 UTC

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

*Bump*

Hey all,

I was thinking that it might be a nice idea to coordinate the redesign
of the website with the release of 1.0.0.

On this, let the discussions begin! :) Anyone's got something?

-- 
David Coallier

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 9, 2010, at 5:57 AM, Jan Lehnardt wrote:

> 
> On 9 Jul 2010, at 13:18, Manokaran K wrote:
> 
>> Am I the only one experiencing deja vu now? :-)
>> 
>> regds,
>> mano
> 
> 
> dja-what now? :D
> 
> http://couchdb.apache.org/
> 
> I just sent this message to dev@:
> 

way to go!

although I miss the little pillows from the blue design :)

>> Oooooold thread.
>> 
>> I finally managed to get to commit it. I'm sure there are rough edges, 
>> please let me know :)
>> 
>> Maddiin, thanks again for you work! :)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Jan
>> -- 
>> 
>> On 15 Nov 2009, at 16:50, Noah Slater wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15 Nov 2009, at 15:30, maddiin wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I've attached them in a previous mail, but you'll find them attached again with this mail as I already made a change to the wiki (added new var to wikiconfig_local.py: page_front_page = u'Apache CouchDB Project Wiki' / else the main heading of the wiki frontpage would be FrontPage).
>>> 
>>> Aha! Sorry, and thanks.
>>> 
>>> I'm going to be doing the 0.10.1 release soon, so I might use that as an excuse to look at this too.
> 
> Let me know if you find any glitches, thanks!
> 
> Cheers
> Jan
> -- 
>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 9 Jul 2010, at 13:18, Manokaran K wrote:

> Am I the only one experiencing deja vu now? :-)
> 
> regds,
> mano


dja-what now? :D

http://couchdb.apache.org/

I just sent this message to dev@:

> Oooooold thread.
> 
> I finally managed to get to commit it. I'm sure there are rough edges, 
> please let me know :)
> 
> Maddiin, thanks again for you work! :)
> 
> Cheers
> Jan
> -- 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2009, at 16:50, Noah Slater wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 15 Nov 2009, at 15:30, maddiin wrote:
>> 
>>> I've attached them in a previous mail, but you'll find them attached again with this mail as I already made a change to the wiki (added new var to wikiconfig_local.py: page_front_page = u'Apache CouchDB Project Wiki' / else the main heading of the wiki frontpage would be FrontPage).
>> 
>> Aha! Sorry, and thanks.
>> 
>> I'm going to be doing the 0.10.1 release soon, so I might use that as an excuse to look at this too.

Let me know if you find any glitches, thanks!

Cheers
Jan
--

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Fantastic list. Thank you.

On 13 Jul 2010, at 08:08, Dave Cottlehuber wrote:

>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:52, afters <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think your main goal here is to figure out what messages the website is
>>> intended to send, and to what audiences. As for the design: form follows
>>> function.
> 
> agree. some thoughts to share on that note;
> 
> as a newcomer to couchdb what attracted me was:
> - the logo - is there another DB out there with such a cool logo?
> - the videos :-)
> - replication is so easy
> - crash-safe design & simple model for backup/recovery
> - straightforward conceptual model to work with - REST, JSON,
> - futon interface makes it so quick to get started
> 
> these made it really easy to work with - it's like having the data
> directly in your hands
> - simplicity of model - e.g. middleware not necessary
> - curl / http access
> - schema-free
> - native JSON storage
> - couchapp for loading both data & ddocs
> 
> what complicated it:
> - differences in the book vs trunk - examples and templates in
> particular can really slow you down
> - changeover to mustache.js - there are probably a few people like me
> lurking who simply are unable to figure out how to make this work in
> server or client side mode
> - evently if you're not already a javascript person - give me 6 months
> & I'll be OK but it's a steep learning curve from ground zero
> - map/reduce - this takes a bit of getting used to, but when you
> understand it the logic is clear - how did we ever manage this on
> traditional RDBMS..
> 
> cheers
> Dave

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Dave Cottlehuber <da...@muse.net.nz>.
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:52, afters <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think your main goal here is to figure out what messages the website is
>> intended to send, and to what audiences. As for the design: form follows
>> function.

agree. some thoughts to share on that note;

as a newcomer to couchdb what attracted me was:
- the logo - is there another DB out there with such a cool logo?
- the videos :-)
- replication is so easy
- crash-safe design & simple model for backup/recovery
- straightforward conceptual model to work with - REST, JSON,
- futon interface makes it so quick to get started

these made it really easy to work with - it's like having the data
directly in your hands
- simplicity of model - e.g. middleware not necessary
- curl / http access
- schema-free
- native JSON storage
- couchapp for loading both data & ddocs

what complicated it:
- differences in the book vs trunk - examples and templates in
particular can really slow you down
- changeover to mustache.js - there are probably a few people like me
lurking who simply are unable to figure out how to make this work in
server or client side mode
- evently if you're not already a javascript person - give me 6 months
& I'll be OK but it's a steep learning curve from ground zero
- map/reduce - this takes a bit of getting used to, but when you
understand it the logic is clear - how did we ever manage this on
traditional RDBMS..

cheers
Dave

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 06:52, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:

> Very much +1 on all Noah said.

Ditto

> To keep things moving, I'd be happy to volunteer to play benevolent dictator for the site and work with proper designer and community input.

+1!

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:52, afters <af...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think your main goal here is to figure out what messages the website is
> intended to send, and to what audiences. As for the design: form follows
> function.

100% agree. That's why this discussion is worth having, and it's not
primarily about design. It's now primarily about what information we
want to convey to what people. You could say this is information
design, but in this case it's OK for at least a discussion to inform
Jan for when he makes a call. The visual design is the least important
aspect of all this.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:57, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> CouchDB doesn't just serve JSON, it serves *any* content-type you set in an
> attachment and with list and show it can even generate HTML and XML
> resources.
>
> This is why I just wanted to have "HTTP" without a specific content-type.

Great point!

However, JSON is an important part of Couch's story. I agree that we
shouldn't lose the fact that Couch can store and serve up any format
of data, but we also need to make clear all of the advantages of using
JSON for structured data.

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
CouchDB doesn't just serve JSON, it serves *any* content-type you set in an
attachment and with list and show it can even generate HTML and XML
resources.

This is why I just wanted to have "HTTP" without a specific content-type.

-Mikeal

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:36 AM, Jan-Piet Mens <jp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri Jul 09 2010 at 18:05:59 CEST, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe a diagram with a Browser, JSON,  HTTP REST -> CouchDB?
> >
> > I'd like that :)
>
> I'm evidently not a graphics artist, but how about something like this?
> A Web browser, a bit of JSON, and CouchDB.
> http://tweetphoto.com/31820093
>
>        -JP
>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Jan-Piet Mens <jp...@gmail.com>.
On Fri Jul 09 2010 at 18:05:59 CEST, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe a diagram with a Browser, JSON,  HTTP REST -> CouchDB?
> 
> I'd like that :)

I'm evidently not a graphics artist, but how about something like this?
A Web browser, a bit of JSON, and CouchDB.
http://tweetphoto.com/31820093

        -JP

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 11, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Avi Flax wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> There's an awful lot going on there. I understand that it is making a point, but I think that amount of visual clutter on the front page would be terribly distracting.
> 
> I totally hear you. Mikeal's original idea was simply to have a
> browser and Couch. But I think it's important to illustrate that any
> application, programming language, etc, can interface with Couch, it's
> a big part of its appeal. I first tried to find a simpler way to
> represent the concept of an application "tier"… I searched for photos
> and illustrations of gears and engines. But I had a hard time finding
> freely usable images which didn't require attribution, so I gave up
> and went with the word cloud idea. If we wouldn't mind adding an
> attribution line to the bottom of the page, we could try using an
> illustration.
> 
> Would it be worth trying keeping the names of those various
> technologies, but organizing them in a neater, simpler, cleaner way?
> AKA not a word cloud?

This isn't usable as is, but it illustrates the point pretty well.

http://skitch.com/jchris/b453y/couchdb-oscon.pdf-page-42-of-83

> 
> Anyway, I'd be happy to try any suggestions.
> 
> Or, if the group doesn't think this is worth pursuing, we can just drop it.

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by David Coallier <da...@php.net>.
Take 2.

On 11 July 2010 23:30, David Coallier <da...@php.net> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>

Here are some scribbles I've done on Friday and some things (From
crazy to boring) that I've thought of and I'm starting to lean towards
the utterly simple graph.

Anyways:

1) Hand scribble in notebook:
http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-2.jpg

2) Same as above with legend:
http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-3-legend.jpg

Those two diagrams present some flaws. They are horizontal diagrams
where they should be vertical in order to fit on the couch page
(http://couchdb.apache.org)

Here are some much simpler images/ideas and a preview of how they'd
look if used on the site.

3) Diagram: http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-4-gfl.png
Look on CouchDB:
http://skitch.com/davidcoallier/dm4hh/apache-couchdb-the-couchdb-project

4) Even simpler diagram with less arrows:
http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-5-gfl.png
and how it'd look on CouchDB's website:
http://skitch.com/davidcoallier/dm466/apache-couchdb-the-couchdb-project

I'm not really thrilled by any of them even though I like the third one
(3)

I hope this can give some people some better ideas :)

-- 
David Coallier

RE: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Nils Breunese <N....@vpro.nl>.
What is and what isn't the primary function of CouchDB? The primary function of any database is storing and retrieving data, but that sounds not too interesting to emphasize on the website. Aren't design documents a primary function of CouchDB? When does a design document stop being just a design document and starts being a CouchApp? When it gets its own HTML interface?

We use couchapp (the CLI tool) for all CouchDB development (also handy to keep the code in version control), though we haven't done any stand-alone web applications on CouchDB yet, only API-style stuff.

Nils.
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Onderwerp: Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

> Give a more clear message about CouchApps.
> Most people I have talked to, had a hard time trying to understand what
> CouchApps are (and why do CouchApps) and immediately ask for examples.
>
> Somehow, by just mentioning only HTTP REST interface and JSON people don't
> realize the possibilty of applications hosted in CouchDB without a middle
> tier (web or app server).
> We need, imho, to give yet more emphasis on CouchApps.
>

I can't agree with this. Whilst CouchApps are really cool and one of
the widely unknown feature of what you can do with CouchDB, I don't
believe it is appropriate to display and put them in emphasis as the
first face of the website. It should show what is couchdb and what it
does as a primary function.

Perhaps a "little known features" section on the website that could be
either rotating or a carousel-like could be an interesting idea to
display the likes of CouchApps, Mustache and Couch, etc. (IE:
http://skitch.com/davidcoallier/dcnih/apache-couchdb-the-couchdb-project)

--
David Coallier

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Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Klaus Trainer <kl...@web.de>.
+1 on Jan being our new BD for website design.


Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> On 12 Jul 2010, at 12:37, Noah Slater wrote:
> 
>> It is starting to concern me that we're trying to design the site by committee. And design by committee is a terrible way to achieve anything with cohesion. I'm not sure what to do though.
>>
>> The ideal solution would be for us to appoint a designer/webmaster who's sole responsibility was the design and maintenance of the site. This person could then take guidance from the community on what should be included, and what we'd like on the site - but would be free to call the shots, and ultimately decide how things were going to look.
>>
>> Does anyone have any ideas how we can move towards this, and away from the current situation? Having a bunch of geeks (and we're hardly known for our design prowess in the first place, right?) argue about what should and should not be included will lead us head first into the kind of open source website we all know and hate.
> 
> Very much +1 on all Noah said.
> 
> To keep things moving, I'd be happy to volunteer to play benevolent dictator for the site and work with proper designer and community input.
> 
> Cheers
> Jan

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 12 Jul 2010, at 12:37, Noah Slater wrote:

> It is starting to concern me that we're trying to design the site by committee. And design by committee is a terrible way to achieve anything with cohesion. I'm not sure what to do though.
> 
> The ideal solution would be for us to appoint a designer/webmaster who's sole responsibility was the design and maintenance of the site. This person could then take guidance from the community on what should be included, and what we'd like on the site - but would be free to call the shots, and ultimately decide how things were going to look.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas how we can move towards this, and away from the current situation? Having a bunch of geeks (and we're hardly known for our design prowess in the first place, right?) argue about what should and should not be included will lead us head first into the kind of open source website we all know and hate.

Very much +1 on all Noah said.

To keep things moving, I'd be happy to volunteer to play benevolent dictator for the site and work with proper designer and community input.

Cheers
Jan
--

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 12 Jul 2010, at 12:37, Noah Slater wrote:

> It is starting to concern me that we're trying to design the site by committee. And design by committee is a terrible way to achieve anything with cohesion. I'm not sure what to do though.
> 
> The ideal solution would be for us to appoint a designer/webmaster who's sole responsibility was the design and maintenance of the site. This person could then take guidance from the community on what should be included, and what we'd like on the site - but would be free to call the shots, and ultimately decide how things were going to look.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas how we can move towards this, and away from the current situation? Having a bunch of geeks (and we're hardly known for our design prowess in the first place, right?) argue about what should and should not be included will lead us head first into the kind of open source website we all know and hate.

Very much +1 on all Noah said.

To keep things moving, I'd be happy to volunteer to play benevolent dictator for the site and work with proper designer and community input.

Cheers
Jan
--

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 12 Jul 2010, at 14:13, David Coallier wrote:

> +1 on Jan's idea.
> 
> I hereby retire.

Noplease, keep sending feedback :)

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by David Coallier <da...@php.net>.
+1 on Jan's idea.

I hereby retire.


-- 
David Coallier

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> It is starting to concern me that we're trying to design the site by committee. And design by committee is a terrible way to achieve anything with cohesion. I'm not sure what to do though.
>
> The ideal solution would be for us to appoint a designer/webmaster who's sole responsibility was the design and maintenance of the site. This person could then take guidance from the community on what should be included, and what we'd like on the site - but would be free to call the shots, and ultimately decide how things were going to look.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas how we can move towards this, and away from the current situation? Having a bunch of geeks (and we're hardly known for our design prowess in the first place, right?) argue about what should and should not be included will lead us head first into the kind of open source website we all know and hate.

That would be better indeed. But appoint a designer/wemaster or send a
public call for a design ?


- benoit

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by afters <af...@gmail.com>.
I think your main goal here is to figure out what messages the website is
intended to send, and to what audiences. As for the design: form follows
function.

The homepage, for example, describes what couchdb is, but I don't think it
does well to address what visitors would really like to know. Would
MapReduce be of any consideration for someone who's choosing a DB for their
next project? Would javascript and erlang solve major issues for someone
who's considering migrating from another DB? Is there anything to show that
couchdb can be used as a web-server?

Whatever the 'selling points' are, they should be made obvious. The
bullet-points method used in the main page of the wiki is a good way to do
that, in my opinion. And, of course, diagrams.

 a.

On 12 July 2010 13:37, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:

> It is starting to concern me that we're trying to design the site by
> committee. And design by committee is a terrible way to achieve anything
> with cohesion. I'm not sure what to do though.
>
> The ideal solution would be for us to appoint a designer/webmaster who's
> sole responsibility was the design and maintenance of the site. This person
> could then take guidance from the community on what should be included, and
> what we'd like on the site - but would be free to call the shots, and
> ultimately decide how things were going to look.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas how we can move towards this, and away from the
> current situation? Having a bunch of geeks (and we're hardly known for our
> design prowess in the first place, right?) argue about what should and
> should not be included will lead us head first into the kind of open source
> website we all know and hate.

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
It is starting to concern me that we're trying to design the site by committee. And design by committee is a terrible way to achieve anything with cohesion. I'm not sure what to do though.

The ideal solution would be for us to appoint a designer/webmaster who's sole responsibility was the design and maintenance of the site. This person could then take guidance from the community on what should be included, and what we'd like on the site - but would be free to call the shots, and ultimately decide how things were going to look.

Does anyone have any ideas how we can move towards this, and away from the current situation? Having a bunch of geeks (and we're hardly known for our design prowess in the first place, right?) argue about what should and should not be included will lead us head first into the kind of open source website we all know and hate.

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by David Coallier <da...@php.net>.
> Give a more clear message about CouchApps.
> Most people I have talked to, had a hard time trying to understand what
> CouchApps are (and why do CouchApps) and immediately ask for examples.
>
> Somehow, by just mentioning only HTTP REST interface and JSON people don't
> realize the possibilty of applications hosted in CouchDB without a middle
> tier (web or app server).
> We need, imho, to give yet more emphasis on CouchApps.
>

I can't agree with this. Whilst CouchApps are really cool and one of
the widely unknown feature of what you can do with CouchDB, I don't
believe it is appropriate to display and put them in emphasis as the
first face of the website. It should show what is couchdb and what it
does as a primary function.

Perhaps a "little known features" section on the website that could be
either rotating or a carousel-like could be an interesting idea to
display the likes of CouchApps, Mustache and Couch, etc. (IE:
http://skitch.com/davidcoallier/dcnih/apache-couchdb-the-couchdb-project)

-- 
David Coallier

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Filipe David Manana <fd...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 11:41 PM, J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jul 11, 2010, at 3:30 PM, David Coallier wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > On 11 July 2010 22:19, Filipe David Manana <fd...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Would it be worth trying keeping the names of those various
> >>> technologies, but organizing them in a neater, simpler, cleaner way?
> >>> AKA not a word cloud?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thinking better, having only names of programming languages (Perl, Ruby,
> >> etc) and platforms (.NET, Java, etc) might give the wrong idea that
> Apache
> >> CouchDB provides libraries for all those languages and platforms.  All
> the
> >> existing libraries are third party.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Here are some scribbles I've done on Friday and some things (From
> > crazy to boring) that I've thought of and I'm starting to learn
> > towards the utterly simple graph.
> >
>
> I think we need to focus on the things CouchDB can do that others can't.
>
> That means:
>
>
> p2p Replication / sync
>
> Running on Mobile Devices
>
> Queries against heterogenous data
>
> (something I'm missing?)
>

Give a more clear message about CouchApps.
Most people I have talked to, had a hard time trying to understand what
CouchApps are (and why do CouchApps) and immediately ask for examples.

Somehow, by just mentioning only HTTP REST interface and JSON people don't
realize the possibilty of applications hosted in CouchDB without a middle
tier (web or app server).
We need, imho, to give yet more emphasis on CouchApps.


>
> > Anyways:
> >
> > 1) Hand scribble in notebook:
> >
> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-2.jpg
> >
> > 2) Same as above with legend:
> >
> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-3-legend.jpg
> >
> > Those two diagrams present some flaws. They are horizontal diagrams
> > where they should be horizontal to fit on the couch page.
> >
> > Here are some much simpler images and how they'd look if on the site.
> >
> > 3) Diagram:
> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-4-gfl.png
> > Look on CouchDB:
> > http://skitch.com/davidcoallier/dm4hh/apache-couchdb-the-couchdb-project
> >
> > 4) Even simpler diagram with less arrows:
> >
> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-5-gfl.png
> > and how it'd look on CouchDB's website:
> > http://skitch.com/davidcoallier/dm466/apache-couchdb-the-couchdb-project
> >
> > I'm not very thrilled by any of them even though I like the third one
> > (3) but I hope this can give some people some better ideas :)
> >
> >
> > --
> > David Coallier
>
>


-- 
Filipe David Manana,
fdmanana@apache.org

"Reasonable men adapt themselves to the world.
 Unreasonable men adapt the world to themselves.
 That's why all progress depends on unreasonable men."

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com>.
On Jul 12, 2010, at 0:14, J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Liking it -- I think it might be time to find an artist.
>
> I'd love to see these drawn in a way that shows instead of tells. Eg: pictures of phones and servers and web-browsers, etc.

Absolutely. This is just a mockup. I do think the pictures will need
labels though, it's hard to convey a concept like "server" as a
picture without losing some people.

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 11, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Avi Flax wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 23:47, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:
> 
>> Something like this:
> 
> Sorry, bad URL there.
> 
> Correct URL:
> 
> http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20D,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png


Liking it -- I think it might be time to find an artist.

I'd love to see these drawn in a way that shows instead of tells. Eg: pictures of phones and servers and web-browsers, etc.

Chris

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 23:47, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:
>
>> Something like this:
>
> Sorry, bad URL there.
>
> Correct URL:
>
> http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20D,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png
>
-1

We don't speak about data in these diagrams and I think we should.
Also they aren't very readable from a design point of view. I can't
read the http and imo it should be a clear communication layer.


- benoit

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com>.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 23:47, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:

> Something like this:

Sorry, bad URL there.

Correct URL:

http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20D,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
Oh man, if we just used some raphael.js to draw the lines we could write a
little javascript that randomly fades them in and out :)

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:27 PM, J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jul 11, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote:
>
> > I think the first image is the best but should also have a <---------->
> line
> > as well.
> >
>
> as far as the 3 images, I think it could work to do a cross-fade slideshow
> between them.
>
> I don't think we need to rush this, I'm happy to sleep on the idea and see
> if anyone comes up with anything.
>
> I agree it'd be cool to do some deep information pages on the 3 different
> deployment strategies:
>
> p2p sync
>
> simple application dev
>
> HA replication / scaling
>
> > But I don't think it should be the front page image, we should really
> have a
> > page specifically about replication.
> >
> > That page could also link to the other related projects that tell the
> great
> > replication story (DesktopCouch, Android CouchDB, IDBCouch) all of which
> > aren't actually part of the Apache CouchDB code base at this time.
> >
> > -Mikeal
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Jul 11, 2010, at 23:56, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This link isn't working for me.
> >>
> >> Yeah, sorry, I messed it up. Did you get my follow-up? Just need to
> >> add "images" as the first path segment.
> >>
>
>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 11, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote:

> I think the first image is the best but should also have a <----------> line
> as well.
> 

as far as the 3 images, I think it could work to do a cross-fade slideshow between them.

I don't think we need to rush this, I'm happy to sleep on the idea and see if anyone comes up with anything.

I agree it'd be cool to do some deep information pages on the 3 different deployment strategies:

p2p sync

simple application dev

HA replication / scaling

> But I don't think it should be the front page image, we should really have a
> page specifically about replication.
> 
> That page could also link to the other related projects that tell the great
> replication story (DesktopCouch, Android CouchDB, IDBCouch) all of which
> aren't actually part of the Apache CouchDB code base at this time.
> 
> -Mikeal
> 
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2010, at 23:56, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This link isn't working for me.
>> 
>> Yeah, sorry, I messed it up. Did you get my follow-up? Just need to
>> add "images" as the first path segment.
>>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
I think the first image is the best but should also have a <----------> line
as well.

But I don't think it should be the front page image, we should really have a
page specifically about replication.

That page could also link to the other related projects that tell the great
replication story (DesktopCouch, Android CouchDB, IDBCouch) all of which
aren't actually part of the Apache CouchDB code base at this time.

-Mikeal

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:

> On Jul 11, 2010, at 23:56, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This link isn't working for me.
>
> Yeah, sorry, I messed it up. Did you get my follow-up? Just need to
> add "images" as the first path segment.
>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com>.
On Jul 11, 2010, at 23:56, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This link isn't working for me.

Yeah, sorry, I messed it up. Did you get my follow-up? Just need to
add "images" as the first path segment.

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
This link isn't working for me.

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 20:26, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > We can't get every part of the CouchDB story in to a graphic on the front
> > page without it just being super confusing.
>
> I agree, but I also appreciate where Chris is coming from here. He's
> always been motivated by the grand vision for CouchDB, and how it
> enables new usage patterns and not just new approaches to app
> development. And I'm a sucker for that kind of a perspective.
>
> What about 3–4 different ultra-simple, ultra-streamlined diagrams,
> each of which illustrating something unique about CouchDB?
>
> Something like this:
>
>
> http://aviflax.com/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20D,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png
>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com>.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 20:26, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We can't get every part of the CouchDB story in to a graphic on the front
> page without it just being super confusing.

I agree, but I also appreciate where Chris is coming from here. He's
always been motivated by the grand vision for CouchDB, and how it
enables new usage patterns and not just new approaches to app
development. And I'm a sucker for that kind of a perspective.

What about 3–4 different ultra-simple, ultra-streamlined diagrams,
each of which illustrating something unique about CouchDB?

Something like this:

http://aviflax.com/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20D,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
We can't get every part of the CouchDB story in to a graphic on the front
page without it just being super confusing.

I think the best that we can hope for is something that makes it obvious
that CouchDB isn't our typical database and is going to talk directly to
your browser or language or device.

Maybe one of the top level links should just be "replication" and have a
details description along with a good graphic because. I think replication
is more important than a "road map" link to a JIRA thing we don't actually
use to track our road map :)

Also, add "Mobile Phone" fairly large to the tag cloud for this front page
graphic.

-Mikeal

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:40 PM, J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jul 11, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote:
>
> > I actually think this is the best one:
> >
> >
> http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20B,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png
> >
>
> All this really says is that CouchDB is an "integration database" with an
> HTTP API.
>
> I'd love to get an illustration that makes it clear about replication /
> sync across desktop and mobile.
>
> Chris
>
> > I would replace "JSON via HTTP" with just "HTTP" (I don't think the mile
> > high overview has to call out REST or JSON specifically).
> >
> > Also, that giant tag cloud could get smaller. If it were the size of the
> > browsers that would be good.
> >
> > Also, I'm not an IE fan but it should probably be in the browser buttons
> or
> > else someone might think we require a good browser :)
> >
> > -Mikeal
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:09 PM, J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Jul 11, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Coallier wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> p2p Replication / sync
> >>>>
> >>>> Running on Mobile Devices
> >>>>
> >>>> Queries against heterogenous data
> >>>>
> >>>> (something I'm missing?)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I think that's right. If we can find a way to manage to display the
> >>> main points of interest as you mentioned it might be better for users.
> >>>
> >>> What about 2 diagrams maybe? One on the right, and one a bit lower on
> the
> >> left?
> >>>
> >>> Anyways, here's something funny :P
> >>>
> >>
> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-in-space.jpg
> >>>
> >>
> >> finally, someone understands my motivations for throwing my lot in with
> >> CouchDB. we need some kind of synchronization protocol or else the Mars
> >> colonies won't be able to share their cat videos with us!
> >>
> >>> This is me retiring from being a designer (I just can't be one -- no
> >>> matter how many scribbles I make :P)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David Coallier
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 11, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote:

> I actually think this is the best one:
> 
> http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20B,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png
> 

All this really says is that CouchDB is an "integration database" with an HTTP API.

I'd love to get an illustration that makes it clear about replication / sync across desktop and mobile.

Chris

> I would replace "JSON via HTTP" with just "HTTP" (I don't think the mile
> high overview has to call out REST or JSON specifically).
> 
> Also, that giant tag cloud could get smaller. If it were the size of the
> browsers that would be good.
> 
> Also, I'm not an IE fan but it should probably be in the browser buttons or
> else someone might think we require a good browser :)
> 
> -Mikeal
> 
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:09 PM, J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Coallier wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> p2p Replication / sync
>>>> 
>>>> Running on Mobile Devices
>>>> 
>>>> Queries against heterogenous data
>>>> 
>>>> (something I'm missing?)
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think that's right. If we can find a way to manage to display the
>>> main points of interest as you mentioned it might be better for users.
>>> 
>>> What about 2 diagrams maybe? One on the right, and one a bit lower on the
>> left?
>>> 
>>> Anyways, here's something funny :P
>>> 
>> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-in-space.jpg
>>> 
>> 
>> finally, someone understands my motivations for throwing my lot in with
>> CouchDB. we need some kind of synchronization protocol or else the Mars
>> colonies won't be able to share their cat videos with us!
>> 
>>> This is me retiring from being a designer (I just can't be one -- no
>>> matter how many scribbles I make :P)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> David Coallier
>> 
>>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
I actually think this is the best one:

http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20B,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png

I would replace "JSON via HTTP" with just "HTTP" (I don't think the mile
high overview has to call out REST or JSON specifically).

Also, that giant tag cloud could get smaller. If it were the size of the
browsers that would be good.

Also, I'm not an IE fan but it should probably be in the browser buttons or
else someone might think we require a good browser :)

-Mikeal

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:09 PM, J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jul 11, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Coallier wrote:
>
> >>
> >> p2p Replication / sync
> >>
> >> Running on Mobile Devices
> >>
> >> Queries against heterogenous data
> >>
> >> (something I'm missing?)
> >>
> >
> > I think that's right. If we can find a way to manage to display the
> > main points of interest as you mentioned it might be better for users.
> >
> > What about 2 diagrams maybe? One on the right, and one a bit lower on the
> left?
> >
> > Anyways, here's something funny :P
> >
> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-in-space.jpg
> >
>
> finally, someone understands my motivations for throwing my lot in with
> CouchDB. we need some kind of synchronization protocol or else the Mars
> colonies won't be able to share their cat videos with us!
>
> > This is me retiring from being a designer (I just can't be one -- no
> > matter how many scribbles I make :P)
> >
> >
> > --
> > David Coallier
>
>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 11, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Coallier wrote:

>> 
>> p2p Replication / sync
>> 
>> Running on Mobile Devices
>> 
>> Queries against heterogenous data
>> 
>> (something I'm missing?)
>> 
> 
> I think that's right. If we can find a way to manage to display the
> main points of interest as you mentioned it might be better for users.
> 
> What about 2 diagrams maybe? One on the right, and one a bit lower on the left?
> 
> Anyways, here's something funny :P
> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-in-space.jpg
> 

finally, someone understands my motivations for throwing my lot in with CouchDB. we need some kind of synchronization protocol or else the Mars colonies won't be able to share their cat videos with us!

> This is me retiring from being a designer (I just can't be one -- no
> matter how many scribbles I make :P)
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Coallier

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by David Coallier <da...@php.net>.
>
> p2p Replication / sync
>
> Running on Mobile Devices
>
> Queries against heterogenous data
>
> (something I'm missing?)
>

I think that's right. If we can find a way to manage to display the
main points of interest as you mentioned it might be better for users.

What about 2 diagrams maybe? One on the right, and one a bit lower on the left?

Anyways, here's something funny :P
http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-in-space.jpg

This is me retiring from being a designer (I just can't be one -- no
matter how many scribbles I make :P)


-- 
David Coallier

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 11, 2010, at 3:30 PM, David Coallier wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> 
> On 11 July 2010 22:19, Filipe David Manana <fd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would it be worth trying keeping the names of those various
>>> technologies, but organizing them in a neater, simpler, cleaner way?
>>> AKA not a word cloud?
>>> 
>> 
>> Thinking better, having only names of programming languages (Perl, Ruby,
>> etc) and platforms (.NET, Java, etc) might give the wrong idea that Apache
>> CouchDB provides libraries for all those languages and platforms.  All the
>> existing libraries are third party.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Here are some scribbles I've done on Friday and some things (From
> crazy to boring) that I've thought of and I'm starting to learn
> towards the utterly simple graph.
> 

I think we need to focus on the things CouchDB can do that others can't.

That means:


p2p Replication / sync

Running on Mobile Devices

Queries against heterogenous data

(something I'm missing?)

> Anyways:
> 
> 1) Hand scribble in notebook:
> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-2.jpg
> 
> 2) Same as above with legend:
> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-3-legend.jpg
> 
> Those two diagrams present some flaws. They are horizontal diagrams
> where they should be horizontal to fit on the couch page.
> 
> Here are some much simpler images and how they'd look if on the site.
> 
> 3) Diagram: http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-4-gfl.png
> Look on CouchDB:
> http://skitch.com/davidcoallier/dm4hh/apache-couchdb-the-couchdb-project
> 
> 4) Even simpler diagram with less arrows:
> http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-5-gfl.png
> and how it'd look on CouchDB's website:
> http://skitch.com/davidcoallier/dm466/apache-couchdb-the-couchdb-project
> 
> I'm not very thrilled by any of them even though I like the third one
> (3) but I hope this can give some people some better ideas :)
> 
> 
> --
> David Coallier

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by David Coallier <da...@php.net>.
Hey everyone,

On 11 July 2010 22:19, Filipe David Manana <fd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Would it be worth trying keeping the names of those various
>> technologies, but organizing them in a neater, simpler, cleaner way?
>> AKA not a word cloud?
>>
>
> Thinking better, having only names of programming languages (Perl, Ruby,
> etc) and platforms (.NET, Java, etc) might give the wrong idea that Apache
> CouchDB provides libraries for all those languages and platforms.  All the
> existing libraries are third party.
>
>

Here are some scribbles I've done on Friday and some things (From
crazy to boring) that I've thought of and I'm starting to learn
towards the utterly simple graph.

Anyways:

1) Hand scribble in notebook:
http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-2.jpg

2) Same as above with legend:
http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-3-legend.jpg

Those two diagrams present some flaws. They are horizontal diagrams
where they should be horizontal to fit on the couch page.

Here are some much simpler images and how they'd look if on the site.

3) Diagram: http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-4-gfl.png
Look on CouchDB:
http://skitch.com/davidcoallier/dm4hh/apache-couchdb-the-couchdb-project

4) Even simpler diagram with less arrows:
http://david.couchone.com/images/65a917c2a53e7f5f70ad500015001277/couch-5-gfl.png
and how it'd look on CouchDB's website:
http://skitch.com/davidcoallier/dm466/apache-couchdb-the-couchdb-project

I'm not very thrilled by any of them even though I like the third one
(3) but I hope this can give some people some better ideas :)


--
David Coallier

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Filipe David Manana <fd...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Would it be worth trying keeping the names of those various
> technologies, but organizing them in a neater, simpler, cleaner way?
> AKA not a word cloud?
>

Thinking better, having only names of programming languages (Perl, Ruby,
etc) and platforms (.NET, Java, etc) might give the wrong idea that Apache
CouchDB provides libraries for all those languages and platforms.  All the
existing libraries are third party.


>
> Anyway, I'd be happy to try any suggestions.
>
> Or, if the group doesn't think this is worth pursuing, we can just drop it.
>



-- 
Filipe David Manana,
fdmanana@apache.org

"Reasonable men adapt themselves to the world.
 Unreasonable men adapt the world to themselves.
 That's why all progress depends on unreasonable men."

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com>.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:

> There's an awful lot going on there. I understand that it is making a point, but I think that amount of visual clutter on the front page would be terribly distracting.

I totally hear you. Mikeal's original idea was simply to have a
browser and Couch. But I think it's important to illustrate that any
application, programming language, etc, can interface with Couch, it's
a big part of its appeal. I first tried to find a simpler way to
represent the concept of an application "tier"… I searched for photos
and illustrations of gears and engines. But I had a hard time finding
freely usable images which didn't require attribution, so I gave up
and went with the word cloud idea. If we wouldn't mind adding an
attribution line to the bottom of the page, we could try using an
illustration.

Would it be worth trying keeping the names of those various
technologies, but organizing them in a neater, simpler, cleaner way?
AKA not a word cloud?

Anyway, I'd be happy to try any suggestions.

Or, if the group doesn't think this is worth pursuing, we can just drop it.

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
On 11 Jul 2010, at 20:13, Filipe David Manana wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm no artist myself, but I do a fair bit of diagramming, and when I
>> read your description, this popped into my head:
>> 
>> http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20A,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png

Holy crap. BRAIN ASPLODE.

There's an awful lot going on there. I understand that it is making a point, but I think that amount of visual clutter on the front page would be terribly distracting.

> I like most the second, simpler, version. However I think this 2nd version
> must mention REST somewhere. Perhaps instead of "JSON via HTTP", you could
> replace with "RESTful HTTP + JSON" or something similar.

If we're going to have so much clutter, we may as well at least outline SOMETHING to do with the details of CouchDB. Heh, heh.

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Filipe David Manana <fd...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com> wrote:

> I'm no artist myself, but I do a fair bit of diagramming, and when I
> read your description, this popped into my head:
>
>
> http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20A,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png
>
> and a simpler version:
>
>
> http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20B,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png
>
> Hi Avi,

I like most the second, simpler, version. However I think this 2nd version
must mention REST somewhere. Perhaps instead of "JSON via HTTP", you could
replace with "RESTful HTTP + JSON" or something similar.

I'm not much of a designer myself, let's wait for other opinions.

Good work :)

-- 
Filipe David Manana,
fdmanana@apache.org

"Reasonable men adapt themselves to the world.
 Unreasonable men adapt the world to themselves.
 That's why all progress depends on unreasonable men."

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Avi Flax <av...@arc90.com>.
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:14, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> /me sucks at graphics :(

I'm no artist myself, but I do a fair bit of diagramming, and when I
read your description, this popped into my head:

http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20A,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png

and a simpler version:

http://aviflax.com/images/CouchDB%20Website%20Diagram%20Study%20B,%2011%20July%202010,%20Avi%20Flax.png

I'm not sure I could take it much farther myself, but who knows, maybe
with everyone's help we could make it presentable together — if people
like the concept and basic layout…

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:

>
> On 9 Jul 2010, at 17:05, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>
> > On 9 Jul 2010, at 18:03, Mikeal Rogers wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe a diagram with a Browser, JSON,  HTTP REST -> CouchDB?
> >
> > I'd like that :)
>
> Yeah. Fancy knocking one up Mikeal? :)
>

Only if you want to see the first computer generated diagram that looks
*way* worse than a hand written on.

/me sucks at graphics :(

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
On 9 Jul 2010, at 17:05, Jan Lehnardt wrote:

> On 9 Jul 2010, at 18:03, Mikeal Rogers wrote:
> 
>> Maybe a diagram with a Browser, JSON,  HTTP REST -> CouchDB?
> 
> I'd like that :)

Yeah. Fancy knocking one up Mikeal? :)

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On 9 Jul 2010, at 18:03, Mikeal Rogers wrote:

> Can we please get rid of the hand drawn diagram?
> 
> I don't think it helps anyones understanding of the architecture and I find
> it pretty distracting.
> 
> Also, I don't think the *front* page should have an architecture diagram
> like this, it's a little too low level for the average person who is coming
> along and looking for a build and maybe some docs.
> 
> Ideally, jQuery developers who come along and start writing couchapps don't
> need to know about erlang/spidermonkey/mod-couch/icu they just care about
> the API.
> 
> Maybe a diagram with a Browser, JSON,  HTTP REST -> CouchDB?

I'd like that :)

Cheers
Jan
--

> 
> -Mikeal
> 
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 9 Jul 2010, at 12:38, David Coallier wrote:
>> 
>>> Noah, what's the expected release date of 1.0.0 ?
>> 
>> Real Soon Now.
>>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
Can we please get rid of the hand drawn diagram?

I don't think it helps anyones understanding of the architecture and I find
it pretty distracting.

Also, I don't think the *front* page should have an architecture diagram
like this, it's a little too low level for the average person who is coming
along and looking for a build and maybe some docs.

Ideally, jQuery developers who come along and start writing couchapps don't
need to know about erlang/spidermonkey/mod-couch/icu they just care about
the API.

Maybe a diagram with a Browser, JSON,  HTTP REST -> CouchDB?

-Mikeal

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:

>
> On 9 Jul 2010, at 12:38, David Coallier wrote:
>
> > Noah, what's the expected release date of 1.0.0 ?
>
> Real Soon Now.
>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
On 9 Jul 2010, at 12:38, David Coallier wrote:

> Noah, what's the expected release date of 1.0.0 ?

Real Soon Now.

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by David Coallier <da...@php.net>.
> It's deja vu all over again.
>

Ok deja-vu it is. Let's move on and do something.

I've just forked the repo and will start copying some text over the weekend.

Noah, what's the expected release date of 1.0.0 ?

Anyone else willing to help with all the static pages over the
weekend? I'm not designer but I sure want something to along with 1.0
so let's stop arsing around and let's get a move on.

Regarding the design, James, Chris, is there a full width version (By
full width I mean the 2 content columns together not actual full page
width) -- This would be used for the screenshots page.

Cheers,

-- 
David Coallier

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Jon Gretar Borgthorsson <jo...@jongretar.com>.
It's deja vu all over again.

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Manokaran K <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Am I the only one experiencing deja vu now? :-)
>
> regds,
> mano
>

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Manokaran K <ma...@gmail.com>.
Am I the only one experiencing deja vu now? :-)

regds,
mano

Re: CouchDB brand identity and design of couchdb.apache.org

Posted by Jon Gretar Borgthorsson <jo...@jongretar.com>.
I was just thinking about that.
I think it would be great to have something nice with the upcoming 1.0
release. Even though many of us are geeks and are used to browse some
horrible websites(like most Apache project have) I must say that having a
nice site says a lot about being *a part* of the web. Current website
reminds of the days of dialup and the console. :)


On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM, David Coallier <da...@php.net> wrote:

> *Bump*
>
> Hey all,
>
> I was thinking that it might be a nice idea to coordinate the redesign
> of the website with the release of 1.0.0.
>
> On this, let the discussions begin! :) Anyone's got something?
>
> --
> David Coallier
>