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Posted to derby-dev@db.apache.org by Rick Hillegas <ri...@gmail.com> on 2018/12/30 22:41:25 UTC
10.15 release notes
I have published preliminary release notes for the 10.15.1 release
(http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/db/derby/code/trunk/RELEASE-NOTES.html?view=co)
and proposed a schedule for vetting the release. See
https://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/DerbyTenFifteenOneRelease Please let
me know how I can improve these release notes.
Thanks,
-Rick
Re: 10.15 release notes
Posted by Bryan Pendleton <bp...@gmail.com>.
Yes, that looks good. Thanks!
bryan
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:25 AM Rick Hillegas <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have refreshed the 10.15 release notes, adding more information for
> existing users who are curious about how to run Derby with a module path.
>
> On 12/31/18 7:56 PM, Bryan Pendleton wrote:
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > The proposed schedule seems fine to me. Is there actually a release
> > candidate to test at this point? Or are we still in the mode of
> > testing things built from source ourselves?
> >
> > I didn't see any obvious flaws on the release notes page, thanks for
> > putting it together.
> >
> > It strikes me that there are, broadly, two categories of people who
> > will experience Derby 10.15:
> >
> > 1) Existing Derby users, who have figured out how to use the current
> > scripts, tools, jars, etc.
> >
> > 2) New users, who have never used Derby before.
> >
> > New users, I think, will just start with the regular documentation,
> > and won't need a lot of help from the release notes.
> >
> > So I think that the release notes should be sort of phrased as:
> > "here's what changes with Java 9 and the modularized Derby packages;
> > and here's what is still the same as it was before. "
> >
> > Hopefully that's useful feedback.
> >
> > I think that, once I start really getting some hands-on time with
> > Derby 10.15 and Java 9, I might have a little bit more feedback.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > bryan
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM Rick Hillegas <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I have published preliminary release notes for the 10.15.1 release
> >> (http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/db/derby/code/trunk/RELEASE-NOTES.html?view=co)
> >> and proposed a schedule for vetting the release. See
> >> https://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/DerbyTenFifteenOneRelease Please let
> >> me know how I can improve these release notes.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -Rick
> >>
>
Re: 10.15 release notes
Posted by Rick Hillegas <ri...@gmail.com>.
I have refreshed the 10.15 release notes, adding more information for
existing users who are curious about how to run Derby with a module path.
On 12/31/18 7:56 PM, Bryan Pendleton wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> The proposed schedule seems fine to me. Is there actually a release
> candidate to test at this point? Or are we still in the mode of
> testing things built from source ourselves?
>
> I didn't see any obvious flaws on the release notes page, thanks for
> putting it together.
>
> It strikes me that there are, broadly, two categories of people who
> will experience Derby 10.15:
>
> 1) Existing Derby users, who have figured out how to use the current
> scripts, tools, jars, etc.
>
> 2) New users, who have never used Derby before.
>
> New users, I think, will just start with the regular documentation,
> and won't need a lot of help from the release notes.
>
> So I think that the release notes should be sort of phrased as:
> "here's what changes with Java 9 and the modularized Derby packages;
> and here's what is still the same as it was before. "
>
> Hopefully that's useful feedback.
>
> I think that, once I start really getting some hands-on time with
> Derby 10.15 and Java 9, I might have a little bit more feedback.
>
> thanks,
>
> bryan
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM Rick Hillegas <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have published preliminary release notes for the 10.15.1 release
>> (http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/db/derby/code/trunk/RELEASE-NOTES.html?view=co)
>> and proposed a schedule for vetting the release. See
>> https://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/DerbyTenFifteenOneRelease Please let
>> me know how I can improve these release notes.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Rick
>>
Re: 10.15 release notes
Posted by Rick Hillegas <ri...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the quick response, Bryan. Some comments inline...
On 12/31/18 7:56 PM, Bryan Pendleton wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> The proposed schedule seems fine to me. Is there actually a release
> candidate to test at this point? Or are we still in the mode of
> testing things built from source ourselves?
I'll post a release candidate next Monday. Until then, you have to build
your own jars.
>
> I didn't see any obvious flaws on the release notes page, thanks for
> putting it together.
>
> It strikes me that there are, broadly, two categories of people who
> will experience Derby 10.15:
>
> 1) Existing Derby users, who have figured out how to use the current
> scripts, tools, jars, etc.
>
> 2) New users, who have never used Derby before.
>
> New users, I think, will just start with the regular documentation,
> and won't need a lot of help from the release notes.
>
> So I think that the release notes should be sort of phrased as:
> "here's what changes with Java 9 and the modularized Derby packages;
> and here's what is still the same as it was before. "
>
> Hopefully that's useful feedback.
>
> I think that, once I start really getting some hands-on time with
> Derby 10.15 and Java 9, I might have a little bit more feedback.
Thanks for that feedback. I will give some thought to how to smooth the
transition of existing users from 10.14 to 10.15.
Thanks,
-Rick
>
> thanks,
>
> bryan
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM Rick Hillegas <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have published preliminary release notes for the 10.15.1 release
>> (http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/db/derby/code/trunk/RELEASE-NOTES.html?view=co)
>> and proposed a schedule for vetting the release. See
>> https://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/DerbyTenFifteenOneRelease Please let
>> me know how I can improve these release notes.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Rick
>>
Re: 10.15 release notes
Posted by Bryan Pendleton <bp...@gmail.com>.
Hi Rick,
The proposed schedule seems fine to me. Is there actually a release
candidate to test at this point? Or are we still in the mode of
testing things built from source ourselves?
I didn't see any obvious flaws on the release notes page, thanks for
putting it together.
It strikes me that there are, broadly, two categories of people who
will experience Derby 10.15:
1) Existing Derby users, who have figured out how to use the current
scripts, tools, jars, etc.
2) New users, who have never used Derby before.
New users, I think, will just start with the regular documentation,
and won't need a lot of help from the release notes.
So I think that the release notes should be sort of phrased as:
"here's what changes with Java 9 and the modularized Derby packages;
and here's what is still the same as it was before. "
Hopefully that's useful feedback.
I think that, once I start really getting some hands-on time with
Derby 10.15 and Java 9, I might have a little bit more feedback.
thanks,
bryan
On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM Rick Hillegas <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have published preliminary release notes for the 10.15.1 release
> (http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/db/derby/code/trunk/RELEASE-NOTES.html?view=co)
> and proposed a schedule for vetting the release. See
> https://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/DerbyTenFifteenOneRelease Please let
> me know how I can improve these release notes.
>
> Thanks,
> -Rick
>