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Trafodion On-boarding page (in wiki)
Hi all,
I have done a first pass at the above mentioned page. It is now available.
See https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/On-Boarding.
Please review, and if anything is missing or should change please discuss
it in this ml to build consensus.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: Trafodion On-boarding page (in wiki)
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
Amanda, all,
It isn't required for contributing comments and questions to the mailing
lists and JIRA issues. It is just to showing that one goes the extra step.
Prior to be asked (when being invited to become a privileged contributor).
Some might call this quibbling over semantics.
So don't worry. It will not place an extra hurdle on community building. I
haven't seen it experienced as such in other ASF projects.
That's is why it is optional. But if not done, contributions (those of the
code patches, and wiki changes kind) need to be scrutinised more by those
who monitor license impact.
Hypothetically, without a iCLA a contributor could say: look you, you said
the issue related to version a.b and I submitted my patch for that, but you
have applied it to a.c. as well and I didn't give you permission for
that...
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Amanda Moran <am...@esgyn.com>
wrote:
> Hi there All-
>
> I agree with Dave and Pierre. I think filling out the form (iCLA) is an
> easy first step to show your commitment to wanting to become a contributor.
> But on the other hand, if we really feel like this would limit our
> community building I would be open to other ideas. Is there something I am
> missing about why an individual wouldn't want to submit an iCLA?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Dave Birdsall <da...@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > After re-reading the license agreement, I think it is prudent for every
> > contributor who is contributing code or documentation to have one on
> file.
> > (And I am therefore in agreement with what's suggested on the On-boarding
> > wiki page. This is consistent with what we required pre-Apache, by the
> > way.)
> >
> > The alternative is that committers need to verify the legal status of
> > everything that is contributed. (Well, they should check this anyway. But
> > my point is, the entire legal burden falls on them.) For things that go
> in
> > the repository, there is a place in the workflow to verify this. For
> things
> > that go on the wiki there presently is not (other than watching it I
> > suppose).
> >
> > For things like creating JIRAs (which are requests for contributions when
> > you think about it) or e-mails to the dlists, I am less concerned about
> > getting a license agreement as we don't release those materials.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Suresh, All,
> > >
> > > The very nature of how the ASF operates leaves room for interpretation
> by
> > > individuals. Some regard only code as contributions, eligible for
> > building
> > > merit and being the grounds for awarding privileges. And thus what I
> > submit
> > > to the project via mailing lists as non-contributions.
> > >
> > > But it is not about what the individual thinks, believes or asserts as
> > 'the
> > > truth'. It is about what this project can build consensus about. And
> such
> > > must be clear, and accepted.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
> > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Suresh Subbiah <
> > > suresh.subbiah60@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Pierre,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for setting up this page and taking a first pass at it.
> > > >
> > > > I understood Roman and Stack's input to mean that anyone who
> > > > a) creates an issue under Apache Trafodion project in JIRA or
> > > > b) contributes a patch to an existing JIRA issue
> > > > .... (other means of contribution not listed here)
> > > > is automatically a contributor.
> > > >
> > > > Roman had told us that the act of submitting a patch or filing an
> issue
> > > is
> > > > sufficient for licensing purposes and explicit ICLA is not required
> > for a
> > > > contributor. I suppose an ICLA is always good to file though for the
> > > > reasons listed at http://www.apache.org/licenses/.
> > > >
> > > > In order to make the initial contribution as easy as possible I have
> > been
> > > > adding folks as contributors if they satisfied either item a) or b)
> > > above.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to propose that all we require of a new contributor is
> > that
> > > > they have a JIRA id so that they can create an issue or have an issue
> > > > assigned to them. Beyond that if the individual satisfies any of the
> > > items
> > > > listed above (a complete list to be decided by us) then they can be
> > added
> > > > as a contributor in the wiki and JIRA by any one of the admins.
> > > >
> > > > Please revise or suggest alternatives.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Suresh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Pierre Smits <
> pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have done a first pass at the above mentioned page. It is now
> > > > available.
> > > > > See
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/On-Boarding.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please review, and if anything is missing or should change please
> > > discuss
> > > > > it in this ml to build consensus.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Pierre Smits
> > > > >
> > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Amanda Moran
>
Re: Trafodion On-boarding page (in wiki)
Posted by Amanda Moran <am...@esgyn.com>.
Hi there All-
I agree with Dave and Pierre. I think filling out the form (iCLA) is an
easy first step to show your commitment to wanting to become a contributor.
But on the other hand, if we really feel like this would limit our
community building I would be open to other ideas. Is there something I am
missing about why an individual wouldn't want to submit an iCLA?
Thanks!
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Dave Birdsall <da...@esgyn.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After re-reading the license agreement, I think it is prudent for every
> contributor who is contributing code or documentation to have one on file.
> (And I am therefore in agreement with what's suggested on the On-boarding
> wiki page. This is consistent with what we required pre-Apache, by the
> way.)
>
> The alternative is that committers need to verify the legal status of
> everything that is contributed. (Well, they should check this anyway. But
> my point is, the entire legal burden falls on them.) For things that go in
> the repository, there is a place in the workflow to verify this. For things
> that go on the wiki there presently is not (other than watching it I
> suppose).
>
> For things like creating JIRAs (which are requests for contributions when
> you think about it) or e-mails to the dlists, I am less concerned about
> getting a license agreement as we don't release those materials.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Suresh, All,
> >
> > The very nature of how the ASF operates leaves room for interpretation by
> > individuals. Some regard only code as contributions, eligible for
> building
> > merit and being the grounds for awarding privileges. And thus what I
> submit
> > to the project via mailing lists as non-contributions.
> >
> > But it is not about what the individual thinks, believes or asserts as
> 'the
> > truth'. It is about what this project can build consensus about. And such
> > must be clear, and accepted.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > Services and Retail & Trade
> > http://www.orrtiz.com
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Suresh Subbiah <
> > suresh.subbiah60@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Pierre,
> > >
> > > Thank you for setting up this page and taking a first pass at it.
> > >
> > > I understood Roman and Stack's input to mean that anyone who
> > > a) creates an issue under Apache Trafodion project in JIRA or
> > > b) contributes a patch to an existing JIRA issue
> > > .... (other means of contribution not listed here)
> > > is automatically a contributor.
> > >
> > > Roman had told us that the act of submitting a patch or filing an issue
> > is
> > > sufficient for licensing purposes and explicit ICLA is not required
> for a
> > > contributor. I suppose an ICLA is always good to file though for the
> > > reasons listed at http://www.apache.org/licenses/.
> > >
> > > In order to make the initial contribution as easy as possible I have
> been
> > > adding folks as contributors if they satisfied either item a) or b)
> > above.
> > >
> > > I would like to propose that all we require of a new contributor is
> that
> > > they have a JIRA id so that they can create an issue or have an issue
> > > assigned to them. Beyond that if the individual satisfies any of the
> > items
> > > listed above (a complete list to be decided by us) then they can be
> added
> > > as a contributor in the wiki and JIRA by any one of the admins.
> > >
> > > Please revise or suggest alternatives.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Suresh
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I have done a first pass at the above mentioned page. It is now
> > > available.
> > > > See
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/On-Boarding.
> > > >
> > > > Please review, and if anything is missing or should change please
> > discuss
> > > > it in this ml to build consensus.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Pierre Smits
> > > >
> > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
--
Thanks,
Amanda Moran
Re: Trafodion On-boarding page (in wiki)
Posted by Dave Birdsall <da...@esgyn.com>.
Hi,
After re-reading the license agreement, I think it is prudent for every
contributor who is contributing code or documentation to have one on file.
(And I am therefore in agreement with what's suggested on the On-boarding
wiki page. This is consistent with what we required pre-Apache, by the
way.)
The alternative is that committers need to verify the legal status of
everything that is contributed. (Well, they should check this anyway. But
my point is, the entire legal burden falls on them.) For things that go in
the repository, there is a place in the workflow to verify this. For things
that go on the wiki there presently is not (other than watching it I
suppose).
For things like creating JIRAs (which are requests for contributions when
you think about it) or e-mails to the dlists, I am less concerned about
getting a license agreement as we don't release those materials.
Dave
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Suresh, All,
>
> The very nature of how the ASF operates leaves room for interpretation by
> individuals. Some regard only code as contributions, eligible for building
> merit and being the grounds for awarding privileges. And thus what I submit
> to the project via mailing lists as non-contributions.
>
> But it is not about what the individual thinks, believes or asserts as 'the
> truth'. It is about what this project can build consensus about. And such
> must be clear, and accepted.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Suresh Subbiah <
> suresh.subbiah60@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Pierre,
> >
> > Thank you for setting up this page and taking a first pass at it.
> >
> > I understood Roman and Stack's input to mean that anyone who
> > a) creates an issue under Apache Trafodion project in JIRA or
> > b) contributes a patch to an existing JIRA issue
> > .... (other means of contribution not listed here)
> > is automatically a contributor.
> >
> > Roman had told us that the act of submitting a patch or filing an issue
> is
> > sufficient for licensing purposes and explicit ICLA is not required for a
> > contributor. I suppose an ICLA is always good to file though for the
> > reasons listed at http://www.apache.org/licenses/.
> >
> > In order to make the initial contribution as easy as possible I have been
> > adding folks as contributors if they satisfied either item a) or b)
> above.
> >
> > I would like to propose that all we require of a new contributor is that
> > they have a JIRA id so that they can create an issue or have an issue
> > assigned to them. Beyond that if the individual satisfies any of the
> items
> > listed above (a complete list to be decided by us) then they can be added
> > as a contributor in the wiki and JIRA by any one of the admins.
> >
> > Please revise or suggest alternatives.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Suresh
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I have done a first pass at the above mentioned page. It is now
> > available.
> > > See https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/On-Boarding.
> > >
> > > Please review, and if anything is missing or should change please
> discuss
> > > it in this ml to build consensus.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
> > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > >
> >
>
Re: Trafodion On-boarding page (in wiki)
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Suresh, All,
The very nature of how the ASF operates leaves room for interpretation by
individuals. Some regard only code as contributions, eligible for building
merit and being the grounds for awarding privileges. And thus what I submit
to the project via mailing lists as non-contributions.
But it is not about what the individual thinks, believes or asserts as 'the
truth'. It is about what this project can build consensus about. And such
must be clear, and accepted.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Suresh Subbiah <su...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Pierre,
>
> Thank you for setting up this page and taking a first pass at it.
>
> I understood Roman and Stack's input to mean that anyone who
> a) creates an issue under Apache Trafodion project in JIRA or
> b) contributes a patch to an existing JIRA issue
> .... (other means of contribution not listed here)
> is automatically a contributor.
>
> Roman had told us that the act of submitting a patch or filing an issue is
> sufficient for licensing purposes and explicit ICLA is not required for a
> contributor. I suppose an ICLA is always good to file though for the
> reasons listed at http://www.apache.org/licenses/.
>
> In order to make the initial contribution as easy as possible I have been
> adding folks as contributors if they satisfied either item a) or b) above.
>
> I would like to propose that all we require of a new contributor is that
> they have a JIRA id so that they can create an issue or have an issue
> assigned to them. Beyond that if the individual satisfies any of the items
> listed above (a complete list to be decided by us) then they can be added
> as a contributor in the wiki and JIRA by any one of the admins.
>
> Please revise or suggest alternatives.
>
> Thanks
> Suresh
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have done a first pass at the above mentioned page. It is now
> available.
> > See https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/On-Boarding.
> >
> > Please review, and if anything is missing or should change please discuss
> > it in this ml to build consensus.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > Services and Retail & Trade
> > http://www.orrtiz.com
> >
>
Re: Trafodion On-boarding page (in wiki)
Posted by Suresh Subbiah <su...@gmail.com>.
Hi Pierre,
Thank you for setting up this page and taking a first pass at it.
I understood Roman and Stack's input to mean that anyone who
a) creates an issue under Apache Trafodion project in JIRA or
b) contributes a patch to an existing JIRA issue
.... (other means of contribution not listed here)
is automatically a contributor.
Roman had told us that the act of submitting a patch or filing an issue is
sufficient for licensing purposes and explicit ICLA is not required for a
contributor. I suppose an ICLA is always good to file though for the
reasons listed at http://www.apache.org/licenses/.
In order to make the initial contribution as easy as possible I have been
adding folks as contributors if they satisfied either item a) or b) above.
I would like to propose that all we require of a new contributor is that
they have a JIRA id so that they can create an issue or have an issue
assigned to them. Beyond that if the individual satisfies any of the items
listed above (a complete list to be decided by us) then they can be added
as a contributor in the wiki and JIRA by any one of the admins.
Please revise or suggest alternatives.
Thanks
Suresh
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have done a first pass at the above mentioned page. It is now available.
> See https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/On-Boarding.
>
> Please review, and if anything is missing or should change please discuss
> it in this ml to build consensus.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
> http://www.orrtiz.com
>