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Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Hi there.
Is there a 64 bit version of open office 3.4 available for windows 7?
I see other 64 bit versions for this version of office 3.4 but can't
find any for windows 7.
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Cheers for now
Ross Dawson.
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RE: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Maurice Howe <ma...@stny.rr.com>.
Gee whiz, guys & gals -- while these side debates are needed and aren't
totally out-of-order, might I suggest that we stick to improving the product
and skip the snipping and sniping?
And BTW, this comment applies equally to other yuk/snorks/blaths -- please
let's just get back to business, OK?
Maurice Howe
Experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone.
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Subject: Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Hi,
If it was ignored it was ignored by Sun and Oracle.
The current developers did a fantastic job to port it to Apache standards.
Let's see what the future brings.
Martin
On 4/06/2012 11:16 PM, drew jensen wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 03:58 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Alexander Thurgood
>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Try explaining to users the logic of having to install a 32bit JRE
>>> when they have a 64bit system
>> You don't explain it at all. 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the JRE
>> can co-exist on 64-bit windows. It won't interfere with your ability
>> to run the 64-bit JRE for 64-bit browsers etc.
>>
>> That's why 64-bit windows includes the 32-bit WOW.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64
>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/install-windows-64-1429
>> 52.html
>>
>> FC
> The hell you don't explain it - over and over you explain it, and
> there is no need to do so, no excuse not to support the native OS.
>
> It it just another example of a large part of code work that has
> needed doing for a long time and no one in the project on the
> engineering side that is willing or capable to coordinate it.
>
> //drew
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
Hi,
If it was ignored it was ignored by Sun and Oracle.
The current developers did a fantastic job to
port it to Apache standards.
Let's see what the future brings.
Martin
On 4/06/2012 11:16 PM, drew jensen wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 03:58 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Alexander Thurgood
>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Try explaining to users the logic of having to install a 32bit JRE when
>>> they have a 64bit system
>> You don't explain it at all. 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the JRE can
>> co-exist on 64-bit windows. It won't interfere with your ability to
>> run the 64-bit JRE for 64-bit browsers etc.
>>
>> That's why 64-bit windows includes the 32-bit WOW.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64
>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/install-windows-64-142952.html
>>
>> FC
> The hell you don't explain it - over and over you explain it, and there
> is no need to do so, no excuse not to support the native OS.
>
> It it just another example of a large part of code work that has needed
> doing for a long time and no one in the project on the engineering side
> that is willing or capable to coordinate it.
>
> //drew
>
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by drew jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 03:58 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Alexander Thurgood
> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Try explaining to users the logic of having to install a 32bit JRE when
> > they have a 64bit system
>
> You don't explain it at all. 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the JRE can
> co-exist on 64-bit windows. It won't interfere with your ability to
> run the 64-bit JRE for 64-bit browsers etc.
>
> That's why 64-bit windows includes the 32-bit WOW.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/install-windows-64-142952.html
>
> FC
The hell you don't explain it - over and over you explain it, and there
is no need to do so, no excuse not to support the native OS.
It it just another example of a large part of code work that has needed
doing for a long time and no one in the project on the engineering side
that is willing or capable to coordinate it.
//drew
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Alexander Thurgood
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Try explaining to users the logic of having to install a 32bit JRE when
> they have a 64bit system
You don't explain it at all. 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the JRE can
co-exist on 64-bit windows. It won't interfere with your ability to
run the 64-bit JRE for 64-bit browsers etc.
That's why 64-bit windows includes the 32-bit WOW.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/install-windows-64-142952.html
FC
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
Dave Fisher wrote:
> Successful results may change these thoughts.
I have often wondered why 64 bit Linux versions have been around for
years, but not Windows. But then again, the first 64 bit Linux distros
appeared in the mid '90s, on the DEC Alpha, shortly followed by the
PowerPC version. And, of course, Linux was first again on the x86_64,
well ahead of Windows.
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 3, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Ross Dawson <ro...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:10:59 +0200, you wrote:
>
>> Le 03/06/12 10:37, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
>>
>>
>>> No, but the standard Windows version (which is 32-bit) will work
>>> perfectly on 64-bit Windows too, and the common opinion is that a
>>> dedicated 64-bit version would not give any significant advantages in
>>> this case.
>>
>> In that case, the common opinion completely ignores the ongoing 64bit
>> driver and framework developments that are occurring on other projects
>> and which OOo uses/requires for some of its functionality, e.g. Java,
>> ODBC support, etc.
>>
>> Try explaining to users the logic of having to install a 32bit JRE when
>> they have a 64bit system, or telling them that they have to use 32bit
>> ODBC drivers instead of 64bit ones, and then see how they react.
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
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> Yes I'm afraid that if 32 bits is all that is ever going to be then
> future compatibility with Microsoft office and other packages will
> inevitably suffer.
>
> Lets hope for a change in thinking here.
You are certainly free to download the source release and build attempt to build it yourself.
This is a volunteer project. I'm sure that there are people on the OOo-dev mailing list who would help.
Successful results may change these thoughts.
Regards,
Dave
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 04/06/2012 drew jensen wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 08:37 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>>
>>> This is not being ignored: there is a lot of useful information at
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
>>
>> You are kidding right - of course it has been and is being ignored.
>
>
> Hi Drew,
> indeed it's not top priority, but I'd tend to have a slightly more
> optimistic view: just because the issue has been mostly inactive for years,
> this doesn't mean it will be inactive for years to come; and at least in
> this case developers took pains to explain in detail why the port is not as
> trivial as it would seem.
Priority is the key. Or better, priority for who? With IBM Lotus
Symphony we didn't create a native 64-bit Windows either. Not a #1
priority for us. But the Apache OpenOffice community can support a
diverse set of priorities. See how have BSD, OS/2 and OpenSolaris
ports. All of these are ignored by the major vendors, and even by
other open source projects. If a developer really wants to make
64-bit Windows work, they would probably succeed.
Everything is undone until it is attempted.
-Rob
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>.
On Tue, 2012-06-05 at 00:12 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 04/06/2012 drew jensen wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 08:37 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> >> This is not being ignored: there is a lot of useful information at
> >> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
> > You are kidding right - of course it has been and is being ignored.
>
> Hi Drew,
> indeed it's not top priority, but I'd tend to have a slightly more
> optimistic view: just because the issue has been mostly inactive for
> years, this doesn't mean it will be inactive for years to come; and at
> least in this case developers took pains to explain in detail why the
> port is not as trivial as it would seem.
> Regards,
> Andrea.
I was a bit over the to with my comments.
>From what I understand, the amount of work required to get a viable 64
bit Windows release out is going to require someone in the developer
ranks ti take it on, as champion if you will, and drive it forward - or
put another way, I think it is a good bit more then an 'easy hack
I need to be more patient - there are those here that could do that but
there is already a body of work laid out for this project, doing that
well needs to be the focus.
//drew
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 04/06/2012 drew jensen wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 08:37 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> This is not being ignored: there is a lot of useful information at
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
> You are kidding right - of course it has been and is being ignored.
Hi Drew,
indeed it's not top priority, but I'd tend to have a slightly more
optimistic view: just because the issue has been mostly inactive for
years, this doesn't mean it will be inactive for years to come; and at
least in this case developers took pains to explain in detail why the
port is not as trivial as it would seem.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Ross Dawson <ro...@clear.net.nz>.
On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:11:04 -0400, you wrote:
>On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 08:37 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> On 03/06/2012 Ross Dawson wrote:
>> > Yes I'm afraid that if 32 bits is all that is ever going to be then
>> > future compatibility with Microsoft office and other packages will
>> > inevitably suffer.
>>
>> This is not being ignored: there is a lot of useful information at
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
>> but work is not quite complete yet.
>>
>> Regards,
>
>
>Hi Andrea
>
>
>You are kidding right - of course it has been and is being ignored.
>
>Gees I'm surprised you didn't just say - code it yourself like Dave did.
>
>//drew
>
I am a user of the product not a programmer.
I do have one issue (as of now with 3.4) and that is when it is open
in full window my keyboard volume control doesn't work. (not a biggie
but annoying none the less).
Before someone says use Linux I will once again say I am a user of the
product not a programmer or geek.
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by drew jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 08:37 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 03/06/2012 Ross Dawson wrote:
> > Yes I'm afraid that if 32 bits is all that is ever going to be then
> > future compatibility with Microsoft office and other packages will
> > inevitably suffer.
>
> This is not being ignored: there is a lot of useful information at
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
> but work is not quite complete yet.
>
> Regards,
Hi Andrea
You are kidding right - of course it has been and is being ignored.
Gees I'm surprised you didn't just say - code it yourself like Dave did.
//drew
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 03/06/2012 Ross Dawson wrote:
> Yes I'm afraid that if 32 bits is all that is ever going to be then
> future compatibility with Microsoft office and other packages will
> inevitably suffer.
This is not being ignored: there is a lot of useful information at
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
but work is not quite complete yet.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Ross Dawson <ro...@clear.net.nz>.
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:10:59 +0200, you wrote:
>Le 03/06/12 10:37, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
>
>
>> No, but the standard Windows version (which is 32-bit) will work
>> perfectly on 64-bit Windows too, and the common opinion is that a
>> dedicated 64-bit version would not give any significant advantages in
>> this case.
>
>In that case, the common opinion completely ignores the ongoing 64bit
>driver and framework developments that are occurring on other projects
>and which OOo uses/requires for some of its functionality, e.g. Java,
>ODBC support, etc.
>
>Try explaining to users the logic of having to install a 32bit JRE when
>they have a 64bit system, or telling them that they have to use 32bit
>ODBC drivers instead of 64bit ones, and then see how they react.
>
>
>Alex
>
>
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Yes I'm afraid that if 32 bits is all that is ever going to be then
future compatibility with Microsoft office and other packages will
inevitably suffer.
Lets hope for a change in thinking here.
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Alexander Thurgood <al...@gmail.com>.
Le 03/06/12 10:37, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
> No, but the standard Windows version (which is 32-bit) will work
> perfectly on 64-bit Windows too, and the common opinion is that a
> dedicated 64-bit version would not give any significant advantages in
> this case.
In that case, the common opinion completely ignores the ongoing 64bit
driver and framework developments that are occurring on other projects
and which OOo uses/requires for some of its functionality, e.g. Java,
ODBC support, etc.
Try explaining to users the logic of having to install a 32bit JRE when
they have a 64bit system, or telling them that they have to use 32bit
ODBC drivers instead of 64bit ones, and then see how they react.
Alex
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Re: Is there a windows 7 64 bit version.
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Ross Dawson wrote:
> Is there a 64 bit version of open office 3.4 available for windows 7?
No, but the standard Windows version (which is 32-bit) will work
perfectly on 64-bit Windows too, and the common opinion is that a
dedicated 64-bit version would not give any significant advantages in
this case.
Regards,
Andrea.
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