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Posted to users@openoffice.apache.org by VA <cu...@hotmail.com> on 2012/10/19 01:29:14 UTC
hyphenation with US English
I am new to this list, and I don’t know what has previously been discussed, so please forgive me if I’m redundant.
Since the days of Oracle, I have noticed that OpenOffice with the US English dictionary hyphenates words at the wrong place (Op-enOffice, res-ults, mathem-atics, etc.) I checked the Bugzilla and found a bug reported on the matter (119087), but it is listed as “unconfirmed.”
Have any other US English users noticed this? Is it, in fact, a bug, or is there a fix within the settings of the current program?
I’m using AOO 3.4.1 on a Win7 laptop. I have hyphenation set to keep 2 letters at the end of a line and at least 3 letters at the beginning of the next line. My Extension Manager tells me my English dictionary is dated 2010/03/16. It’s the dictionary that was loaded with the program. I have added nothing else to the standard install.
(For what its worth, the current LibreOffice does not share this behavior. Its US English dictionary hyphenates words at the right places.)
Any ideas?
Thanks.
Virgil
Re: hyphenation with US English
Posted by VA <cu...@hotmail.com>.
Andrea,
Thank you for the good insight. I'll do some digging and see if the new
dictionary I downloaded has a hyph_en_US.dic file.
Virgil
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Pescetti
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:09 PM
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: hyphenation with US English
On 19/10/2012 VA wrote:
>> US English dictionary hyphenates words at the wrong place
>> (Op-enOffice, res-ults, mathem-atics, etc.) ...
> In my Extension Manager, I now have two American English dictionaries
> listed.
Note that:
- Dictionary and hyphenation patterns are usually shipped in the same
package, but they are independent.
- Hyphenation patterns are in a file named hyph_en_US.dic
- If you get, from any source, another dictionary extension, you might
want, instead of installing it, to unzip it (open it with any ZIP
handling program, like 7-Zip), take only the file hyph_en_US.dic and
overwrite the file hyph_en_US.dic from your OpenOffice installation; do
this when OpenOffice is closed and the Quickstarter (OpenOffice icon in
system tray) is not running, then reboot.
- Extension updates are currently disabled, so "check for updates" will
always tell you that no extension updates are available.
Of course, if you find hyphenation patterns that work better we might
want to include them in the next releases, so please give us the precise
link to download them and we will check license compatibility and
possibly include them.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: hyphenation with US English
Posted by VA <cu...@hotmail.com>.
I took the files from the English dictionary that I downloaded and copied
them all into my original English subdirectory on my OO installation as well
as my extensions subdirectory. In the process, I overwrote all previous
English files.
Sadly, the program still hyphenates words in the wrong place. When I use the
same dictionary files in LibO, it hyphenates properly.
I don't know what's wrong, but I have enough word processing options
(between LibO, Atlantis, and several LaTeX editors) that spending more time
chasing down OO's hyphenation problem is more bother for me than its worth.
Thanks for all the help. The issue has been reported as a bug on Bugzilla,
so I'll wait for the developers who are smarter than I am to figure it
out...if they're inclined. So far, the Bug has been listed as "unconfirmed"
on Bugzilla and it doesn't seem as if anyone's overly interested in
addressing it.
Virgil
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Pescetti
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:09 PM
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: hyphenation with US English
On 19/10/2012 VA wrote:
>> US English dictionary hyphenates words at the wrong place
>> (Op-enOffice, res-ults, mathem-atics, etc.) ...
> In my Extension Manager, I now have two American English dictionaries
> listed.
Note that:
- Dictionary and hyphenation patterns are usually shipped in the same
package, but they are independent.
- Hyphenation patterns are in a file named hyph_en_US.dic
- If you get, from any source, another dictionary extension, you might
want, instead of installing it, to unzip it (open it with any ZIP
handling program, like 7-Zip), take only the file hyph_en_US.dic and
overwrite the file hyph_en_US.dic from your OpenOffice installation; do
this when OpenOffice is closed and the Quickstarter (OpenOffice icon in
system tray) is not running, then reboot.
- Extension updates are currently disabled, so "check for updates" will
always tell you that no extension updates are available.
Of course, if you find hyphenation patterns that work better we might
want to include them in the next releases, so please give us the precise
link to download them and we will check license compatibility and
possibly include them.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: hyphenation with US English
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 19/10/2012 VA wrote:
>> US English dictionary hyphenates words at the wrong place
>> (Op-enOffice, res-ults, mathem-atics, etc.) ...
> In my Extension Manager, I now have two American English dictionaries
> listed.
Note that:
- Dictionary and hyphenation patterns are usually shipped in the same
package, but they are independent.
- Hyphenation patterns are in a file named hyph_en_US.dic
- If you get, from any source, another dictionary extension, you might
want, instead of installing it, to unzip it (open it with any ZIP
handling program, like 7-Zip), take only the file hyph_en_US.dic and
overwrite the file hyph_en_US.dic from your OpenOffice installation; do
this when OpenOffice is closed and the Quickstarter (OpenOffice icon in
system tray) is not running, then reboot.
- Extension updates are currently disabled, so "check for updates" will
always tell you that no extension updates are available.
Of course, if you find hyphenation patterns that work better we might
want to include them in the next releases, so please give us the precise
link to download them and we will check license compatibility and
possibly include them.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: hyphenation with US English … ATTN: WEBMASTER!
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Re: hyphenation with US English … ATTN: WEBMASTER!
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> On Oct 21, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:
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> Some hints with screenshots here also:
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=16512
>
> NB: I'm not sure the lock means that you can remove it by the Add/Remove
> control panel (but I may be wrong). It usually means that it has been
> installed for all users at the standard install. To remove it, you need to
> tweak the installation files (have a look at the detailed topic linked in
> the first post of the troubleshooting tutorial).
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> Hagar
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> Le 20/10/2012 15:42, johnny smith a écrit :
>
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:24:41 -0000, VA <cu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In my Extension Manager, I now have two American English dictionaries
>>> listed. The originally installed English(USA) dictionary is locked and I
>>> can't remove it. It has a lock icon next to it.
>>
>> the lock icon is due to the dictionaty having been installed as a program
>> component rather than an extension. you can delete it through "add/remove
>> programs" tool of your system by choosing "custom" option.
>>
>>> If I click on Languages in my Options menu, there is only one option for
>>> English(USA). I'm not sure which of the two English dictionaries this is
>>> referring to.
>>
>> the "languages" item of the "options" menu is not quite what you need. the
>> list of available language modules is under the "language settings/writing
>> aids" section of the options. the "edit..." button lets you choose a
>> spellchecker and hyphenator for each distinct language.
>>
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Re: hyphenation with US English … ATTN: WEBMASTER!
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Re: hyphenation with US English … ATTN: WEBMASTER!
Posted by douglas w soderdahl <ds...@me.com>.
10.21.12
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On Oct 21, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:
Some hints with screenshots here also: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=16512
NB: I'm not sure the lock means that you can remove it by the Add/Remove control panel (but I may be wrong). It usually means that it has been installed for all users at the standard install. To remove it, you need to tweak the installation files (have a look at the detailed topic linked in the first post of the troubleshooting tutorial).
Hagar
Le 20/10/2012 15:42, johnny smith a écrit :
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:24:41 -0000, VA <cu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In my Extension Manager, I now have two American English dictionaries
>> listed. The originally installed English(USA) dictionary is locked and I
>> can't remove it. It has a lock icon next to it.
>
> the lock icon is due to the dictionaty having been installed as a program component rather than an extension. you can delete it through "add/remove programs" tool of your system by choosing "custom" option.
>
>> If I click on Languages in my Options menu, there is only one option for
>> English(USA). I'm not sure which of the two English dictionaries this is
>> referring to.
>
> the "languages" item of the "options" menu is not quite what you need. the list of available language modules is under the "language settings/writing aids" section of the options. the "edit..." button lets you choose a spellchecker and hyphenator for each distinct language.
>
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Re: hyphenation with US English
Posted by johnny smith <ka...@krovatka.su>.
On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 09:27:24 -0000, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
> NB: I'm not sure the lock means that you can remove it by the Add/Remove control panel (but I may be wrong). It usually means that it has been installed for all users at the standard install. To remove it, you need to tweak the installation files (have a look at the detailed topic linked in the first post of the troubleshooting tutorial).
i think you are right about the lock's meaning. however, the standard set of dictionaries is removable through the "add/remove programs" dialog by selecting the "modify" option in the ooo change/remove wizard and unchecking dictionaries under the "optional components" category.
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Re: hyphenation with US English
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Some hints with screenshots here also: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=16512
NB: I'm not sure the lock means that you can remove it by the Add/Remove control panel (but I may be wrong). It usually means that it has been installed for all users at the standard install. To remove it, you need to tweak the installation files (have a look at the detailed topic linked in the first post of the troubleshooting tutorial).
Hagar
Le 20/10/2012 15:42, johnny smith a écrit :
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:24:41 -0000, VA <cu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In my Extension Manager, I now have two American English dictionaries
>> listed. The originally installed English(USA) dictionary is locked and I
>> can't remove it. It has a lock icon next to it.
>
> the lock icon is due to the dictionaty having been installed as a program component rather than an extension. you can delete it through "add/remove programs" tool of your system by choosing "custom" option.
>
>> If I click on Languages in my Options menu, there is only one option for
>> English(USA). I'm not sure which of the two English dictionaries this is
>> referring to.
>
> the "languages" item of the "options" menu is not quite what you need. the list of available language modules is under the "language settings/writing aids" section of the options. the "edit..." button lets you choose a spellchecker and hyphenator for each distinct language.
>
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Re: hyphenation with US English
Posted by johnny smith <ka...@krovatka.su>.
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:24:41 -0000, VA <cu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In my Extension Manager, I now have two American English dictionaries
> listed. The originally installed English(USA) dictionary is locked and I
> can't remove it. It has a lock icon next to it.
the lock icon is due to the dictionaty having been installed as a program component rather than an extension. you can delete it through "add/remove programs" tool of your system by choosing "custom" option.
> If I click on Languages in my Options menu, there is only one option for
> English(USA). I'm not sure which of the two English dictionaries this is
> referring to.
the "languages" item of the "options" menu is not quite what you need. the list of available language modules is under the "language settings/writing aids" section of the options. the "edit..." button lets you choose a spellchecker and hyphenator for each distinct language.
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Re: hyphenation with US English
Posted by VA <cu...@hotmail.com>.
Okay,
I downloaded an extensive American English dictionary from the LibreOffice
extension repository. I installed it using the Apache OpenOffice Extension
Manager.
In my Extension Manager, I now have two American English dictionaries
listed. The originally installed English(USA) dictionary is locked and I
can't remove it. It has a lock icon next to it.
If I click on Languages in my Options menu, there is only one option for
English(USA). I'm not sure which of the two English dictionaries this is
referring to. It appears as if this is the original English dictionary, but
I'm not sure.
Does anyone know how to make the new dictionary available in my Languages
drop down menus? This assumes, of course that the English(USA) option is, in
fact, the old English dictionary. If the new dictionary is the one listed in
my drop down languages, then it hasn't solved the hyphenation problem. It's
still hyphenating words at the wrong location.
Virgil
-----Original Message-----
From: VA
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:54 AM
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: hyphenation with US English
When I click on "Get more extensions online," it takes me to the Apache
repository of extensions. If I click on "Dictionaries," it only shows one
English US dictionary, which as a date that is older than the one that came
with the computer. I'm hesitant to download an older version of a
dictionary.
Virgil
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From: johnny smith
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:23 AM
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: hyphenation with US English
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:29:14 -0000, VA <cu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> US English dictionary hyphenates words at the wrong place (Op-enOffice,
> res-ults, mathem-atics, etc.)
you could just try another dictionary from the extensions set. this one may
consider such hyphenating pattern correct.
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Re: hyphenation with US English
Posted by VA <cu...@hotmail.com>.
When I click on "Get more extensions online," it takes me to the Apache
repository of extensions. If I click on "Dictionaries," it only shows one
English US dictionary, which as a date that is older than the one that came
with the computer. I'm hesitant to download an older version of a
dictionary.
Virgil
-----Original Message-----
From: johnny smith
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:23 AM
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: hyphenation with US English
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:29:14 -0000, VA <cu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> US English dictionary hyphenates words at the wrong place (Op-enOffice,
> res-ults, mathem-atics, etc.)
you could just try another dictionary from the extensions set. this one may
consider such hyphenating pattern correct.
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Re: hyphenation with US English
Posted by johnny smith <ka...@krovatka.su>.
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:29:14 -0000, VA <cu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> US English dictionary hyphenates words at the wrong place (Op-enOffice, res-ults, mathem-atics, etc.)
you could just try another dictionary from the extensions set. this one may consider such hyphenating pattern correct.
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