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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by "Chappell, Simon P" <Si...@landsend.com> on 2002/10/15 16:09:41 UTC
[OT][OLD FOLKS ONLY] RE: DAO or ... ?
Apple ][ ... my first dream machine.
Commodore Pet 8000 ... my second dream machine.
I never owned a dream machine until last year when I finally got a dual processor Mac running OS X. Now, that's a dream machine!
Anyone remember "Your Sinclair" magazine? Man, I copied a ton of listings out of that thing.
Simon
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Owen [mailto:johnlowen_bham@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:01 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: DAO or ... ?
>
>
>Being 8 years old when I did this for my Apple II (using
>Compute! and Nibble
>magazines), I can't say that I remember patterns. ;)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan Trevino" <da...@bluemagnet.com>
>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:08 AM
>Subject: RE: DAO or ... ?
>
>
>> I remember learning about patterns while programming my Sinclair ZX81
>> and copying programs out of Compute! magazine for my C64. LOL.
>>
>> On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 16:02, Jerry Jalenak wrote:
>> > You guys have it lucky to even know what a pattern is. I
>graduated with
>a
>> > C.S. degree in 1983 - object oriented programming barely
>existed then,
>let
>> > alone taught. Matter of fact we were required to learn
>IBM Assembler,
>and
>> > either COBOL or PL/1 as a graduation requirement! If I
>remember right,
>my
>> > "Software Engineering" class dealt with writing a basic
>compiler for a
>> > COBOL-type language (written in assembler, or course).
>You ought to be
>> > where I am trying to play catch-up on all of this Java /
>web / struts /
>....
>> > stuff while trying to deliver projects on time and budget!
>> >
>> > Jerry
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: John Owen [mailto:johnlowen_bham@hotmail.com]
>> > > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:45 PM
>> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> > > Subject: Re: DAO or ... ?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > We were taught algorithms and finite state machines, but I
>> > > don't remember
>> > > any design pattern coverage. I graduated in 1994 and other
>> > > than that, they
>> > > perfectly prepared me for my future as a developer. We
>> > > covered many software
>> > > design principles in my Software Engineering classes, but the
>> > > memory is so
>> > > vague that I can't recall if anything was categorized
>into patterns.
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Chappell, Simon P" <Si...@landsend.com>
>> > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>> > > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:33 PM
>> > > Subject: RE: DAO or ... ?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have no idea whether they teach patterns in University. I
>> > > graduated in
>> > > 1990 and we didn't even have the Internet back then let alone
>> > > Patterns!
>> > >
>> > > Jacob: How about it my friend? Do they teach patterns in the UW?
>> > >
>> > > Simon
>> > >
>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > >From: Wendy Smoak [mailto:Wendy.Smoak@asu.edu]
>> > > >Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:29 PM
>> > > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>> > > >Subject: RE: DAO or ... ?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> It's called experience .... it's why they pay us old guys
>> > > >more than you
>> > > >young bucks! ;-)
>> > > >
>> > > >LOL! It's also called being absolutely CERTAIN that someone
>> > > >has solved this
>> > > >problem before, and not going off reinventing the wheel. As
>> > > >an aside, are
>> > > >patterns being taught in computer science? I'm working on a
>> > > >degree and the
>> > > >senior-level course I'm taking this semester has been the
>> > > >first time I've
>> > > >seen a lecture about them. And then he only covered
>three (Factory,
>> > > >Abstract Factory and Singleton) and not very in depth at that.
>> > > >
>> > > >I like Applied Java Patterns by Stephen Stelting & Olav
>> > > >Maassen. While the
>> > > >GoF book is surely timeless, I'm guessing the examples are not
>> > > >written in
>> > > >Java. With Applied Java Patterns (and Core J2EE Patterns) I
>> > > >can cut and
>> > > >paste and have a head start on the implementation.
>> > > >
>> > > >--
>> > > >Wendy Smoak
>> > > >Applications Systems Analyst, Sr.
>> > > >Arizona State University PA Information Resources Management
>> > > >
>> > >
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Re: [OT][OLD FOLKS ONLY] RE: DAO or ... ?
Posted by "V. Cekvenich" <vi...@users.sourceforge.net>.
I am getting a PowerBook (as soon as I have RC basicPortal out as a
reward to me).
I assume you are runing Struts, maybe Eclipse, Resin, pgSQL, OpenOffice,
Mozilla are they all OK with Mac VM?
.V
Chappell, Simon P wrote:
> Apple ][ ... my first dream machine.
> Commodore Pet 8000 ... my second dream machine.
>
> I never owned a dream machine until last year when I finally got a dual processor Mac running OS X. Now, that's a dream machine!
>
> Anyone remember "Your Sinclair" magazine? Man, I copied a ton of listings out of that thing.
>
> Simon
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Owen [mailto:johnlowen_bham@hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:01 AM
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: DAO or ... ?
>>
>>
>>Being 8 years old when I did this for my Apple II (using
>>Compute! and Nibble
>>magazines), I can't say that I remember patterns. ;)
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dan Trevino" <da...@bluemagnet.com>
>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:08 AM
>>Subject: RE: DAO or ... ?
>>
>>
>>
>>>I remember learning about patterns while programming my Sinclair ZX81
>>>and copying programs out of Compute! magazine for my C64. LOL.
>>>
>>>On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 16:02, Jerry Jalenak wrote:
>>>
>>>>You guys have it lucky to even know what a pattern is. I
>>>
>>graduated with
>>a
>>
>>>>C.S. degree in 1983 - object oriented programming barely
>>>
>>existed then,
>>let
>>
>>>>alone taught. Matter of fact we were required to learn
>>>
>>IBM Assembler,
>>and
>>
>>>>either COBOL or PL/1 as a graduation requirement! If I
>>>
>>remember right,
>>my
>>
>>>>"Software Engineering" class dealt with writing a basic
>>>
>>compiler for a
>>
>>>>COBOL-type language (written in assembler, or course).
>>>
>>You ought to be
>>
>>>>where I am trying to play catch-up on all of this Java /
>>>
>>web / struts /
>>....
>>
>>>>stuff while trying to deliver projects on time and budget!
>>>>
>>>>Jerry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: John Owen [mailto:johnlowen_bham@hotmail.com]
>>>>>Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:45 PM
>>>>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: DAO or ... ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>We were taught algorithms and finite state machines, but I
>>>>>don't remember
>>>>>any design pattern coverage. I graduated in 1994 and other
>>>>>than that, they
>>>>>perfectly prepared me for my future as a developer. We
>>>>>covered many software
>>>>>design principles in my Software Engineering classes, but the
>>>>>memory is so
>>>>>vague that I can't recall if anything was categorized
>>>>
>>into patterns.
>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Chappell, Simon P" <Si...@landsend.com>
>>>>>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:33 PM
>>>>>Subject: RE: DAO or ... ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have no idea whether they teach patterns in University. I
>>>>>graduated in
>>>>>1990 and we didn't even have the Internet back then let alone
>>>>>Patterns!
>>>>>
>>>>>Jacob: How about it my friend? Do they teach patterns in the UW?
>>>>>
>>>>>Simon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: Wendy Smoak [mailto:Wendy.Smoak@asu.edu]
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:29 PM
>>>>>>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>>>>>>Subject: RE: DAO or ... ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's called experience .... it's why they pay us old guys
>>>>>>
>>>>>>more than you
>>>>>>young bucks! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LOL! It's also called being absolutely CERTAIN that someone
>>>>>>has solved this
>>>>>>problem before, and not going off reinventing the wheel. As
>>>>>>an aside, are
>>>>>>patterns being taught in computer science? I'm working on a
>>>>>>degree and the
>>>>>>senior-level course I'm taking this semester has been the
>>>>>>first time I've
>>>>>>seen a lecture about them. And then he only covered
>>>>>
>>three (Factory,
>>
>>>>>>Abstract Factory and Singleton) and not very in depth at that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I like Applied Java Patterns by Stephen Stelting & Olav
>>>>>>Maassen. While the
>>>>>>GoF book is surely timeless, I'm guessing the examples are not
>>>>>>written in
>>>>>>Java. With Applied Java Patterns (and Core J2EE Patterns) I
>>>>>>can cut and
>>>>>>paste and have a head start on the implementation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Wendy Smoak
>>>>>>Applications Systems Analyst, Sr.
>>>>>>Arizona State University PA Information Resources Management
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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