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Posted to dev@airflow.apache.org by Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> on 2023/03/03 07:24:39 UTC
[LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Hey everyone,
TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
not even remember how they subscribed.
I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249 and during
the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
easy unsubscribe option because apache.org mailing lists apparently do
not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
"aware" and will likely find a way.
No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
J.
Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
unsubscribe button:
https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
"Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
recognize, read, and understand."
J,
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Posted by Kaxil Naik <ka...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 at 12:44, Hussein Awala <hu...@awala.fr> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Mon 6 Mar 2023 at 12:25, Pankaj Singh <ag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 10:07 PM Sumit Maheshwari <su...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 8:37 PM Beck, Vincent <vi...@amazon.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Elad Kalif <el...@apache.org>
>> *Reply-To: *"dev@airflow.apache.org" <de...@airflow.apache.org>
>> *Date: *Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:50 AM
>> *To: *"dev@airflow.apache.org" <de...@airflow.apache.org>
>> *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL][LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
>> mailing list footers
>>
>>
>>
>> *CAUTION*: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
>> not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and
>> know the content is safe.
>>
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 4:42 PM Ferruzzi, Dennis
>> <fe...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> +1 always a good idea
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:24 PM
>> *To:* dev@airflow.apache.org
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
>> mailing list footers
>>
>>
>>
>> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not
>> click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know
>> the content is safe.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
>> our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
>>
>> There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
>> from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
>> inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
>> not even remember how they subscribed.
>>
>> I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249 and during
>> the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
>> is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
>> easy unsubscribe option because apache.org mailing lists apparently do
>> not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
>> deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
>>
>> We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
>> For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
>>
>> I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
>> add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
>> "aware" and will likely find a way.
>>
>> No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
>> will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
>> weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
>>
>> J.
>>
>> Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
>> discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
>> unsubscribe button:
>>
>>
>> https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
>>
>> "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
>> Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
>> the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
>> Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
>> recognize, read, and understand."
>>
>> J,
>>
>> --
> Hussein Awala
>
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Posted by Hussein Awala <hu...@awala.fr>.
+1
On Mon 6 Mar 2023 at 12:25, Pankaj Singh <ag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 10:07 PM Sumit Maheshwari
> <[sumeet.manit@gmail.com](mailto:sumeet.manit@gmail.com)> wrote:
>
>
>> +1
>
>>
>>
>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 8:37 PM Beck, Vincent <vi...@amazon.com.invalid>
wrote:
>
>>
>>> +1 __ __
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> **From:** Elad Kalif <[eladkal@apache.org](mailto:eladkal@apache.org)>
> **Reply-To:** "[dev@airflow.apache.org](mailto:dev@airflow.apache.org)"
> <[dev@airflow.apache.org](mailto:dev@airflow.apache.org)>
> **Date:** Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:50 AM
> **To:** "[dev@airflow.apache.org](mailto:dev@airflow.apache.org)"
> <[dev@airflow.apache.org](mailto:dev@airflow.apache.org)>
> **Subject:** RE: [EXTERNAL][LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
> mailing list footers __ __
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> **CAUTION** : This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know
the content is safe. __ __
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> +1 __ __
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 4:42 PM Ferruzzi, Dennis
<fe...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote: __ __
>>>
>>>> +1 always a good idea __ __
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> * * *
>>>>
>>>> **From:** Jarek Potiuk <[jarek@potiuk.com](mailto:jarek@potiuk.com)>
> **Sent:** Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:24 PM
> **To:** [dev@airflow.apache.org](mailto:dev@airflow.apache.org)
> **Subject:** [EXTERNAL] [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
> mailing list footers ____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not
click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the
content is safe.
>
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
> our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
>
> There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
> from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
> inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
> not even remember how they subscribed.
>
> I opened [
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249](https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249)
> and during
> the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
> is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
> easy unsubscribe option because [apache.org](http://apache.org) mailing
> lists apparently do
> not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
> deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
>
> We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
> \--------------------------------\--------------------------------\-----
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
> For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
>
> I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
> add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
> "aware" and will likely find a way.
>
> No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
> will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
> weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
>
> J.
>
> Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
> discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
> unsubscribe button:
>
> [https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-
> guide-business](https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-
> act-compliance-guide-business)
>
> "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
> Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
> the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
> Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
> recognize, read, and understand."
>
> J, __ __
\--
Hussein Awala
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Posted by Rajath Srinivasaiah <ra...@astronomer.io.INVALID>.
+1
Thanks and Regards,
Rajath S
rajath.srinivasaiah@astronomer.io
[image: image.png]
On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 4:56 PM Pankaj Singh <ag...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 10:07 PM Sumit Maheshwari <su...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 8:37 PM Beck, Vincent <vi...@amazon.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Elad Kalif <el...@apache.org>
>>> *Reply-To: *"dev@airflow.apache.org" <de...@airflow.apache.org>
>>> *Date: *Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:50 AM
>>> *To: *"dev@airflow.apache.org" <de...@airflow.apache.org>
>>> *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL][LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
>>> mailing list footers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *CAUTION*: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
>>> not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and
>>> know the content is safe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 4:42 PM Ferruzzi, Dennis
>>> <fe...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 always a good idea
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:24 PM
>>> *To:* dev@airflow.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
>>> mailing list footers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not
>>> click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know
>>> the content is safe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
>>> our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
>>>
>>> There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
>>> from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
>>> inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
>>> not even remember how they subscribed.
>>>
>>> I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249 and during
>>> the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
>>> is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
>>> easy unsubscribe option because apache.org mailing lists apparently do
>>> not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
>>> deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
>>>
>>> We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
>>>
>>> I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
>>> add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
>>> "aware" and will likely find a way.
>>>
>>> No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
>>> will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
>>> weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>> Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
>>> discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
>>> unsubscribe button:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
>>>
>>> "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
>>> Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
>>> the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
>>> Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
>>> recognize, read, and understand."
>>>
>>> J,
>>>
>>>
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Posted by Pankaj Singh <ag...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 10:07 PM Sumit Maheshwari <su...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 8:37 PM Beck, Vincent <vi...@amazon.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Elad Kalif <el...@apache.org>
>> *Reply-To: *"dev@airflow.apache.org" <de...@airflow.apache.org>
>> *Date: *Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:50 AM
>> *To: *"dev@airflow.apache.org" <de...@airflow.apache.org>
>> *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL][LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
>> mailing list footers
>>
>>
>>
>> *CAUTION*: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
>> not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and
>> know the content is safe.
>>
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 4:42 PM Ferruzzi, Dennis
>> <fe...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> +1 always a good idea
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:24 PM
>> *To:* dev@airflow.apache.org
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
>> mailing list footers
>>
>>
>>
>> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not
>> click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know
>> the content is safe.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
>> our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
>>
>> There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
>> from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
>> inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
>> not even remember how they subscribed.
>>
>> I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249 and during
>> the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
>> is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
>> easy unsubscribe option because apache.org mailing lists apparently do
>> not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
>> deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
>>
>> We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
>> For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
>>
>> I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
>> add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
>> "aware" and will likely find a way.
>>
>> No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
>> will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
>> weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
>>
>> J.
>>
>> Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
>> discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
>> unsubscribe button:
>>
>>
>> https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
>>
>> "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
>> Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
>> the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
>> Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
>> recognize, read, and understand."
>>
>> J,
>>
>>
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Posted by Sumit Maheshwari <su...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 8:37 PM Beck, Vincent <vi...@amazon.com.invalid>
wrote:
> +1
>
>
>
> *From: *Elad Kalif <el...@apache.org>
> *Reply-To: *"dev@airflow.apache.org" <de...@airflow.apache.org>
> *Date: *Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:50 AM
> *To: *"dev@airflow.apache.org" <de...@airflow.apache.org>
> *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL][LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
> mailing list footers
>
>
>
> *CAUTION*: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not
> click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know
> the content is safe.
>
>
>
> +1
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 4:42 PM Ferruzzi, Dennis
> <fe...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> +1 always a good idea
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:24 PM
> *To:* dev@airflow.apache.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
> mailing list footers
>
>
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not
> click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know
> the content is safe.
>
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
> our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
>
> There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
> from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
> inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
> not even remember how they subscribed.
>
> I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249 and during
> the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
> is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
> easy unsubscribe option because apache.org mailing lists apparently do
> not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
> deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
>
> We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
> For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
>
> I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
> add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
> "aware" and will likely find a way.
>
> No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
> will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
> weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
>
> J.
>
> Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
> discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
> unsubscribe button:
>
>
> https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
>
> "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
> Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
> the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
> Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
> recognize, read, and understand."
>
> J,
>
>
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Posted by "Beck, Vincent" <vi...@amazon.com.INVALID>.
+1
From: Elad Kalif <el...@apache.org>
Reply-To: "dev@airflow.apache.org" <de...@airflow.apache.org>
Date: Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:50 AM
To: "dev@airflow.apache.org" <de...@airflow.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL][LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe.
+1
On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 4:42 PM Ferruzzi, Dennis <fe...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote:
+1 always a good idea
________________________________
From: Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>>
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:24 PM
To: dev@airflow.apache.org<ma...@airflow.apache.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe.
Hey everyone,
TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
not even remember how they subscribed.
I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249 and during
the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
easy unsubscribe option because apache.org<http://apache.org> mailing lists apparently do
not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
"aware" and will likely find a way.
No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
J.
Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
unsubscribe button:
https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
"Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
recognize, read, and understand."
J,
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Posted by Elad Kalif <el...@apache.org>.
+1
On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 4:42 PM Ferruzzi, Dennis <fe...@amazon.com.invalid>
wrote:
> +1 always a good idea
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:24 PM
> *To:* dev@airflow.apache.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@
> mailing list footers
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not
> click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know
> the content is safe.
>
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
> our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
>
> There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
> from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
> inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
> not even remember how they subscribed.
>
> I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249 and during
> the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
> is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
> easy unsubscribe option because apache.org mailing lists apparently do
> not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
> deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
>
> We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
> For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
>
> I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
> add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
> "aware" and will likely find a way.
>
> No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
> will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
> weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
>
> J.
>
> Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
> discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
> unsubscribe button:
>
>
> https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
>
> "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
> Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
> the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
> Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
> recognize, read, and understand."
>
> J,
>
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Posted by "Ferruzzi, Dennis" <fe...@amazon.com.INVALID>.
+1 always a good idea
________________________________
From: Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:24 PM
To: dev@airflow.apache.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
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Hey everyone,
TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
not even remember how they subscribed.
I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249 and during
the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
easy unsubscribe option because apache.org mailing lists apparently do
not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
"aware" and will likely find a way.
No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
J.
Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
unsubscribe button:
https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
"Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
recognize, read, and understand."
J,
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Posted by Pankaj Koti <pa...@astronomer.io.INVALID>.
+1
Yes, too many emails are being received recenty which is not good for both
the users (does not solve their objective) and the recipients (is a spam
for them) and also agree that users should easily know how to unsubscribe,
so anything that could help more is great!
On Fri, 3 Mar 2023, 12:56 Daniel Imberman, <da...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 11:24 PM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
>> our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
>>
>> There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
>> from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
>> inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
>> not even remember how they subscribed.
>>
>> I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249 and during
>> the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
>> is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
>> easy unsubscribe option because apache.org mailing lists apparently do
>> not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
>> deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
>>
>> We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
>> For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
>>
>> I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
>> add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
>> "aware" and will likely find a way.
>>
>> No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
>> will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
>> weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
>>
>> J.
>>
>> Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
>> discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
>> unsubscribe button:
>>
>>
>> https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
>>
>> "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
>> Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
>> the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
>> Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
>> recognize, read, and understand."
>>
>> J,
>>
>
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Unsubscribe links in users@ mailing list footers
Posted by Daniel Imberman <da...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 11:24 PM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> TL;DR; I would like to ask for a lazy consensus of adding a footer to
> our users@ list explaining how to unsubscribe.
>
> There were quite a few users that got confused about unsubscribing
> from users@ list. I think there are quite a few reasons why we should
> inform the users how they could unsubscribe, because many of them do
> not even remember how they subscribed.
>
> I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24249 and during
> the discussion it turned out that "standard" "list-unsubscribe" header
> is not effective in many cases (for example gmail users do not see an
> easy unsubscribe option because apache.org mailing lists apparently do
> not have proven history of unsubscribing) and seems the best way to
> deal with it is to add explicit information in the footer.
>
> We can simply add this standard footer to our list posts:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <#l#>-unsubscribe@<#h#>
> For additional commands, e-mail: <#l#>-help@<#h#>
>
> I am not a big fan of email footers but I think it would be nice if we
> add it for users@ list at least. The dev@ subscribers are much more
> "aware" and will likely find a way.
>
> No need to respond to it unless you would like to argue against it. I
> will let the consensus question run for 72 hours + 1 day for the
> weekend (tilI Tuesday 7th of March 8 am CET).
>
> J.
>
> Additional info: some extra information that came out during the
> discussion: There are some regulations and expectations for the
> unsubscribe button:
>
>
> https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
>
> "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you.
> Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how
> the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future.
> Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to
> recognize, read, and understand."
>
> J,
>