NuttX Workshop feedback 2025-10-29 1700UTC disco

[Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info>]

Lets meet and talk about NuttX International Workshops in order to
gather feedback how we are doing and what can we improve :-)

We will have group video meeting tomorrow on 2025-10-29 (Wed) 1700UTC
on NuttX_Disco_Cyberspace also to test this channel on Discord before
our monthly community online meetings.

https://discord.gg/xj5Hptse?event=1432470062421381130

For anyone who cannot join please share your feedback and ideas here
on the mailing list. We will provide a meeting summary here too :-)

See you there! :-)
Tomek

-- 
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info

Re: NuttX Workshop feedback 2025-10-29 1700UTC disco

[Matteo Golin <ma...@gmail.com>]

I've commented the timestamps in both livestreams if that's helpful.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 12:42 PM Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 5:38 PM Matteo Golin <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I appreciate the kind words! I would not be opposed to my presentation
> > being online, especially if it can help bring more contributors/users to
> > NuttX. Is there plans to post the presentation slides on the website
> after
> > all? It would be nice to have them recorded there. I was actually
> planning
> > to go through the live-stream and record the time-stamps where each
> > presentation starts. Then maybe whoever runs the NuttX channel can add
> them
> > to the livestream description; that will make "YouTube chapters" which
> > appear as labels in the video player so people can easily find the
> > presentation they're looking for.
>
> I will do that in a free moment :-)
>
> --
> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
>

Re: NuttX Workshop feedback 2025-10-29 1700UTC disco

[Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info>]

On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 5:38 PM Matteo Golin <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I appreciate the kind words! I would not be opposed to my presentation
> being online, especially if it can help bring more contributors/users to
> NuttX. Is there plans to post the presentation slides on the website after
> all? It would be nice to have them recorded there. I was actually planning
> to go through the live-stream and record the time-stamps where each
> presentation starts. Then maybe whoever runs the NuttX channel can add them
> to the livestream description; that will make "YouTube chapters" which
> appear as labels in the video player so people can easily find the
> presentation they're looking for.

I will do that in a free moment :-)

-- 
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info

Re: NuttX Workshop feedback 2025-10-29 1700UTC disco

[Matteo Golin <ma...@gmail.com>]

That makes sense. I had hoped that Apache would have some funding pool for
their projects since they are a large organization, but I'm not super
familiar with how they work. I imagine it would be small regardless,
especially divided amongst all their projects! I think the team of
volunteers pulled off a really great event even with all those constraints!

Huh, that would have been cool. I wonder how difficult it would be to find
some moderately well-known people to do keynotes. It would be nice to get
more familiar with the different people and companies using NuttX; it's
difficult to remember them all just through interactions on the mailing
list and GitHub. Maybe next event we can ask companies that work with NuttX
(i.e. Espressif, Xiaomi, etc.) if they have any reps who would like to do a
keynote or something. I guess even if the person isn't a direct
contributor, having some kind of big name from the company giving an
endorsement would be cool.

I appreciate the kind words! I would not be opposed to my presentation
being online, especially if it can help bring more contributors/users to
NuttX. Is there plans to post the presentation slides on the website after
all? It would be nice to have them recorded there. I was actually planning
to go through the live-stream and record the time-stamps where each
presentation starts. Then maybe whoever runs the NuttX channel can add them
to the livestream description; that will make "YouTube chapters" which
appear as labels in the video player so people can easily find the
presentation they're looking for.

Best,
Matteo

On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 10:15 AM Alan C. Assis <ac...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Matteo,
>
> You raised really good points!
>
> I think Apache doesn't have any marketing/design staff to help us.
> For instance, in 2020 when we did our first NuttX Online Workshop (because
> pandemic) we asked for a video conference tool and they didn't have it, it
> was an employee from Apache who temporarily transferred his Zoom account to
> me.
>
> So, at the end of the day it is always voluntary work. The idea of that
> meeting was to learn from others how we can improve our event, even with
> the resource constraints we have.
>
> The idea of calling some famous people to our event is good, some years ago
> David Marples suggested calling some famous old Unix guy (associated with
> IEEE) to talk in our event, but that never happened.
>
> Sometimes a good presentation counts more than a famous presenter, your
> presentation did it. Some people already suggested we need to put your
> presentation online and promote it.
>
> BR,
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 10:49 PM Matteo Golin <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I agree about the interval between presentations. Honestly though, I
> don't
> > think you need to have a demo to occupy the space between. Most
> > people either ran over time or had questions that pushed them over time.
> I
> > think 5 minutes of unscheduled time after every 20 minute presentation
> and
> > 10 minutes after the 40 minute presentations is just fine, because
> either:
> >
> > - The presenter will run over time and use some of that
> > - The questions will run over time and use some of that
> > - There will be some unused time where the stream can display the
> schedule
> > and in-person attendees can chat briefly with one another/get a
> coffee/use
> > the restroom
> >
> > That time will be used up regardless of what happens 99% of the time.
> > However, the suggestion of a chronometer is smart because it will help
> > presenters know when to hurry up on their final slides :) I used my phone
> > as a stopwatch just in case.
> >
> > Big emphasis on Apache's help and attracting more developers. I only
> > learned about the event from a Linked post I saw on Alan's page, right
> > before the call for presenters ended. Otherwise I would have missed the
> > deadline. And I'm looking at the mailing list/NuttX every day! It would
> be
> > great to have some kind of actual advertising for the events across all
> the
> > social platforms, some media (digital banners, clips from the event in
> > previous years, etc). That's obviously quite difficult to achieve with so
> > few volunteers, most of whom a) are employed full-time and b) have an
> > engineering background, not a marketing/events background. That's where
> it
> > would be great if Apache had some ability to help out (i.e. spread the
> news
> > on their platforms, have maybe some kind of equipment/event budget,
> etc.).
> > I also think something that tends to attract a lot of delegates to these
> > kinds of conferences are big "keynote speakers" that are advertised in
> the
> > invitations. This year we of course had Gregory Nutt, which would have
> been
> > a great keynote speaker to advertise and attract attendees. But (and no
> > offense to Greg) Gregory Nutt is not necessarily a super well-known name
> > outside of the NuttX community. I'm not sure anyone who would be
> interested
> > in speaking at these NuttX events are necessarily "famous" people, but
> > large industry names would attract newcomers as attendees (not presenters
> > of course) just to see what NuttX is all about. Xiaomi is a pretty big
> > industry player, and Sony being part of the workshops 2 years ago (?)
> > definitely drew my interest to the NuttX workshop. I wonder if we could
> > maybe advertise the speakers/attendees and their companies (with
> > permission) as part of promotional materials.
> >
> > NuttX in educational environments is huge. I don't think that it's really
> > achievable with the amount of volunteer resources we have now, but it
> would
> > be pretty massive for the project. This is what I was all about when
> using
> > NuttX on a student engineering design team, because I felt that NuttX
> gave
> > a much more "intimate" understanding of RTOSes, contributing to
> > open-source, practical use-cases and getting close to the hardware than I
> > saw in literally any other mainstream educational project (i.e.
> Arduino). I
> > was very tired of using QNX, which is being pushed quite heavily in
> > education spaces in an attempt to garner more experienced developers
> after
> > they graduate, so I hopped over to NuttX. It has the potential to be
> > adopted in educational spaces, but I personally think more for "serious
> > projects" like design teams and capstones as opposed to being the RTOS of
> > choice for an entry-level course in real-time programming.
> >
> > Obviously a lot of feedback to consider, but it should be noted that the
> > volunteers who made the workshop happen this year did an excellent job. I
> > really appreciate all their time and effort into making it an enjoyable
> > experience for everyone. At the end of the day, it's all volunteer based
> > and we need to be realistic about how much is achievable.
> >
> > BR,
> > Matteo
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 2:43 PM Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info> wrote:
> >
> > > Quick notes from today meeting with some feedback and notes for future
> > > NuttX Workshop events. Please add your comments if we missed something
> > > or if you see room for improvement :-)
> > >
> > > * Create and follow a checklist.
> > >
> > > * We need some interval between presentations, to let the other
> > > presenter to preparer: it could be some demo or other thing to occupy
> > > this space
> > >
> > > * Include some way to show remaining time, like a chronometer
> > >
> > > * Dry-run on real environment
> > >
> > > * We need more professional camera, with fixed position
> > >
> > > * OBS: Try Studio Mode to be able to do things in the background (i.e.
> > > edit scenes, add slides) while the stream is live already.
> > >
> > > * Slides on the events www after the event.
> > >
> > > * More pictures of the local event and the streaming -> www.
> > >
> > > * Create a check-list of necessary hardware (i.e. laptops, cameras,
> > > microphones, projectors, sceens, wifi, streaming box, etc) -> what we
> > > have -> what we need.
> > >
> > > * Can Apache help in organizing event / providing hardware?
> > >
> > > * Add the online form to let users to subscribe to the event and get
> > > certificate at end of the event (only interested people and in a way
> > > to avoid GDPR like issues. Maybe online certificate generator?
> > >
> > > * Attract more users and developers to NuttX project. Make more
> > > "noise" and bring attention to NuttX. Use / leverage educational
> > > initiatives to show and learn about NuttX - for kids and students.
> > >
> > > Thank you and take care :-)
> > > Tomek
> > >
> > > --
> > > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
> > >
> >
>

Re: NuttX Workshop feedback 2025-10-29 1700UTC disco

["Alan C. Assis" <ac...@gmail.com>]

Hi Matteo,

You raised really good points!

I think Apache doesn't have any marketing/design staff to help us.
For instance, in 2020 when we did our first NuttX Online Workshop (because
pandemic) we asked for a video conference tool and they didn't have it, it
was an employee from Apache who temporarily transferred his Zoom account to
me.

So, at the end of the day it is always voluntary work. The idea of that
meeting was to learn from others how we can improve our event, even with
the resource constraints we have.

The idea of calling some famous people to our event is good, some years ago
David Marples suggested calling some famous old Unix guy (associated with
IEEE) to talk in our event, but that never happened.

Sometimes a good presentation counts more than a famous presenter, your
presentation did it. Some people already suggested we need to put your
presentation online and promote it.

BR,

Alan


On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 10:49 PM Matteo Golin <ma...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree about the interval between presentations. Honestly though, I don't
> think you need to have a demo to occupy the space between. Most
> people either ran over time or had questions that pushed them over time. I
> think 5 minutes of unscheduled time after every 20 minute presentation and
> 10 minutes after the 40 minute presentations is just fine, because either:
>
> - The presenter will run over time and use some of that
> - The questions will run over time and use some of that
> - There will be some unused time where the stream can display the schedule
> and in-person attendees can chat briefly with one another/get a coffee/use
> the restroom
>
> That time will be used up regardless of what happens 99% of the time.
> However, the suggestion of a chronometer is smart because it will help
> presenters know when to hurry up on their final slides :) I used my phone
> as a stopwatch just in case.
>
> Big emphasis on Apache's help and attracting more developers. I only
> learned about the event from a Linked post I saw on Alan's page, right
> before the call for presenters ended. Otherwise I would have missed the
> deadline. And I'm looking at the mailing list/NuttX every day! It would be
> great to have some kind of actual advertising for the events across all the
> social platforms, some media (digital banners, clips from the event in
> previous years, etc). That's obviously quite difficult to achieve with so
> few volunteers, most of whom a) are employed full-time and b) have an
> engineering background, not a marketing/events background. That's where it
> would be great if Apache had some ability to help out (i.e. spread the news
> on their platforms, have maybe some kind of equipment/event budget, etc.).
> I also think something that tends to attract a lot of delegates to these
> kinds of conferences are big "keynote speakers" that are advertised in the
> invitations. This year we of course had Gregory Nutt, which would have been
> a great keynote speaker to advertise and attract attendees. But (and no
> offense to Greg) Gregory Nutt is not necessarily a super well-known name
> outside of the NuttX community. I'm not sure anyone who would be interested
> in speaking at these NuttX events are necessarily "famous" people, but
> large industry names would attract newcomers as attendees (not presenters
> of course) just to see what NuttX is all about. Xiaomi is a pretty big
> industry player, and Sony being part of the workshops 2 years ago (?)
> definitely drew my interest to the NuttX workshop. I wonder if we could
> maybe advertise the speakers/attendees and their companies (with
> permission) as part of promotional materials.
>
> NuttX in educational environments is huge. I don't think that it's really
> achievable with the amount of volunteer resources we have now, but it would
> be pretty massive for the project. This is what I was all about when using
> NuttX on a student engineering design team, because I felt that NuttX gave
> a much more "intimate" understanding of RTOSes, contributing to
> open-source, practical use-cases and getting close to the hardware than I
> saw in literally any other mainstream educational project (i.e. Arduino). I
> was very tired of using QNX, which is being pushed quite heavily in
> education spaces in an attempt to garner more experienced developers after
> they graduate, so I hopped over to NuttX. It has the potential to be
> adopted in educational spaces, but I personally think more for "serious
> projects" like design teams and capstones as opposed to being the RTOS of
> choice for an entry-level course in real-time programming.
>
> Obviously a lot of feedback to consider, but it should be noted that the
> volunteers who made the workshop happen this year did an excellent job. I
> really appreciate all their time and effort into making it an enjoyable
> experience for everyone. At the end of the day, it's all volunteer based
> and we need to be realistic about how much is achievable.
>
> BR,
> Matteo
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 2:43 PM Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info> wrote:
>
> > Quick notes from today meeting with some feedback and notes for future
> > NuttX Workshop events. Please add your comments if we missed something
> > or if you see room for improvement :-)
> >
> > * Create and follow a checklist.
> >
> > * We need some interval between presentations, to let the other
> > presenter to preparer: it could be some demo or other thing to occupy
> > this space
> >
> > * Include some way to show remaining time, like a chronometer
> >
> > * Dry-run on real environment
> >
> > * We need more professional camera, with fixed position
> >
> > * OBS: Try Studio Mode to be able to do things in the background (i.e.
> > edit scenes, add slides) while the stream is live already.
> >
> > * Slides on the events www after the event.
> >
> > * More pictures of the local event and the streaming -> www.
> >
> > * Create a check-list of necessary hardware (i.e. laptops, cameras,
> > microphones, projectors, sceens, wifi, streaming box, etc) -> what we
> > have -> what we need.
> >
> > * Can Apache help in organizing event / providing hardware?
> >
> > * Add the online form to let users to subscribe to the event and get
> > certificate at end of the event (only interested people and in a way
> > to avoid GDPR like issues. Maybe online certificate generator?
> >
> > * Attract more users and developers to NuttX project. Make more
> > "noise" and bring attention to NuttX. Use / leverage educational
> > initiatives to show and learn about NuttX - for kids and students.
> >
> > Thank you and take care :-)
> > Tomek
> >
> > --
> > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
> >
>

Re: NuttX Workshop feedback 2025-10-29 1700UTC disco

[Matteo Golin <ma...@gmail.com>]

I agree about the interval between presentations. Honestly though, I don't
think you need to have a demo to occupy the space between. Most
people either ran over time or had questions that pushed them over time. I
think 5 minutes of unscheduled time after every 20 minute presentation and
10 minutes after the 40 minute presentations is just fine, because either:

- The presenter will run over time and use some of that
- The questions will run over time and use some of that
- There will be some unused time where the stream can display the schedule
and in-person attendees can chat briefly with one another/get a coffee/use
the restroom

That time will be used up regardless of what happens 99% of the time.
However, the suggestion of a chronometer is smart because it will help
presenters know when to hurry up on their final slides :) I used my phone
as a stopwatch just in case.

Big emphasis on Apache's help and attracting more developers. I only
learned about the event from a Linked post I saw on Alan's page, right
before the call for presenters ended. Otherwise I would have missed the
deadline. And I'm looking at the mailing list/NuttX every day! It would be
great to have some kind of actual advertising for the events across all the
social platforms, some media (digital banners, clips from the event in
previous years, etc). That's obviously quite difficult to achieve with so
few volunteers, most of whom a) are employed full-time and b) have an
engineering background, not a marketing/events background. That's where it
would be great if Apache had some ability to help out (i.e. spread the news
on their platforms, have maybe some kind of equipment/event budget, etc.).
I also think something that tends to attract a lot of delegates to these
kinds of conferences are big "keynote speakers" that are advertised in the
invitations. This year we of course had Gregory Nutt, which would have been
a great keynote speaker to advertise and attract attendees. But (and no
offense to Greg) Gregory Nutt is not necessarily a super well-known name
outside of the NuttX community. I'm not sure anyone who would be interested
in speaking at these NuttX events are necessarily "famous" people, but
large industry names would attract newcomers as attendees (not presenters
of course) just to see what NuttX is all about. Xiaomi is a pretty big
industry player, and Sony being part of the workshops 2 years ago (?)
definitely drew my interest to the NuttX workshop. I wonder if we could
maybe advertise the speakers/attendees and their companies (with
permission) as part of promotional materials.

NuttX in educational environments is huge. I don't think that it's really
achievable with the amount of volunteer resources we have now, but it would
be pretty massive for the project. This is what I was all about when using
NuttX on a student engineering design team, because I felt that NuttX gave
a much more "intimate" understanding of RTOSes, contributing to
open-source, practical use-cases and getting close to the hardware than I
saw in literally any other mainstream educational project (i.e. Arduino). I
was very tired of using QNX, which is being pushed quite heavily in
education spaces in an attempt to garner more experienced developers after
they graduate, so I hopped over to NuttX. It has the potential to be
adopted in educational spaces, but I personally think more for "serious
projects" like design teams and capstones as opposed to being the RTOS of
choice for an entry-level course in real-time programming.

Obviously a lot of feedback to consider, but it should be noted that the
volunteers who made the workshop happen this year did an excellent job. I
really appreciate all their time and effort into making it an enjoyable
experience for everyone. At the end of the day, it's all volunteer based
and we need to be realistic about how much is achievable.

BR,
Matteo

On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 2:43 PM Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info> wrote:

> Quick notes from today meeting with some feedback and notes for future
> NuttX Workshop events. Please add your comments if we missed something
> or if you see room for improvement :-)
>
> * Create and follow a checklist.
>
> * We need some interval between presentations, to let the other
> presenter to preparer: it could be some demo or other thing to occupy
> this space
>
> * Include some way to show remaining time, like a chronometer
>
> * Dry-run on real environment
>
> * We need more professional camera, with fixed position
>
> * OBS: Try Studio Mode to be able to do things in the background (i.e.
> edit scenes, add slides) while the stream is live already.
>
> * Slides on the events www after the event.
>
> * More pictures of the local event and the streaming -> www.
>
> * Create a check-list of necessary hardware (i.e. laptops, cameras,
> microphones, projectors, sceens, wifi, streaming box, etc) -> what we
> have -> what we need.
>
> * Can Apache help in organizing event / providing hardware?
>
> * Add the online form to let users to subscribe to the event and get
> certificate at end of the event (only interested people and in a way
> to avoid GDPR like issues. Maybe online certificate generator?
>
> * Attract more users and developers to NuttX project. Make more
> "noise" and bring attention to NuttX. Use / leverage educational
> initiatives to show and learn about NuttX - for kids and students.
>
> Thank you and take care :-)
> Tomek
>
> --
> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
>

Re: NuttX Workshop feedback 2025-10-29 1700UTC disco

[Tomek CEDRO <to...@cedro.info>]

Quick notes from today meeting with some feedback and notes for future
NuttX Workshop events. Please add your comments if we missed something
or if you see room for improvement :-)

* Create and follow a checklist.

* We need some interval between presentations, to let the other
presenter to preparer: it could be some demo or other thing to occupy
this space

* Include some way to show remaining time, like a chronometer

* Dry-run on real environment

* We need more professional camera, with fixed position

* OBS: Try Studio Mode to be able to do things in the background (i.e.
edit scenes, add slides) while the stream is live already.

* Slides on the events www after the event.

* More pictures of the local event and the streaming -> www.

* Create a check-list of necessary hardware (i.e. laptops, cameras,
microphones, projectors, sceens, wifi, streaming box, etc) -> what we
have -> what we need.

* Can Apache help in organizing event / providing hardware?

* Add the online form to let users to subscribe to the event and get
certificate at end of the event (only interested people and in a way
to avoid GDPR like issues. Maybe online certificate generator?

* Attract more users and developers to NuttX project. Make more
"noise" and bring attention to NuttX. Use / leverage educational
initiatives to show and learn about NuttX - for kids and students.

Thank you and take care :-)
Tomek

-- 
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info