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Posted to users@myfaces.apache.org by Francisco Mardones <fr...@mardonet.com> on 2009/10/01 00:38:16 UTC
Re: [trinidad] problem submitting forms in limited mobile browsers
The version described in Trinidad jar's Manifest is 1.2.11.1-SNAPSHOT (I'm
using the version bundled in Jdeveloper 11.1.1.1.0).
I intercepted the html generated for the Survey Demo application (
http://www.irian.at/trinidad-demo/faces/surveydemo/surveyStart.jspx) sending
BlackBerry's User Agent v4.1 and got the html below. Something strange: the
form is invoking a function called "submitForm" on click, but this in not
defined or included in the whole page. Also, notice the code isn't xhtml...
¿What do you think? ¿Could be a bug?
Thanks a lot
Francisco
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"><!--Start<http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd%22%3E%3C!--Start>:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Document["_idJsp0"]--><html dir="ltr" lang="en">
<head>
<title>Survey</title>
<meta name="generator" content="Apache MyFaces Trinidad">
<link rel="stylesheet" charset="UTF-8" type="text/css"
href="/trinidad-demo/adf/styles/cache/minimal-pda-nhib3y-en-ltr-blackberry-blackberry-cmp.css">
</head>
<!--Start: org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Document["_idJsp0"]-->
<body onload="_checkLoadNoPPR()"><a name="top"></a>
<noscript>This page uses JavaScript and requires a JavaScript enabled
browser.Your browser is not JavaScript enabled.</noscript>
<!--Start: org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Form["_idJsp1"]-->
<form id="_idJsp1" name="_idJsp1" style="margin:0px" method="POST"
action="/trinidad-demo/faces/surveydemo/surveyStart.jspx"><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><div></div><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]-->
<hr size="2">
<!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp5"]--><div>
<h1 class="x6u">Welcome to the Survey Demo</h1>
<!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Output["_idJsp6"]--><span class="x0">Test your
knowledge of California Driving Laws</span><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Object["_idJsp7"]--><div
style="margin-top:20px"></div><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Command["_idJsp8"]--><input type="submit"
onclick="submitForm('_idJsp1',1,{source:'_idJsp8'});return false;"
class="x7i" value="begin survey"></div><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]-->
<hr size="2">
<!--Start: org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><table
width="100%" summary=""><tr>
<td align="center"><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.NavigationLevel["_idJsp3"]--><div
class="af_navigationPane"><span class="x42"><span class="x43"><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Command["_idJsp4"]--><a id="_idJsp3:_idJsp4"
name="_idJsp3:_idJsp4" href="#"
onclick="submitForm('_idJsp1',0,{source:'_idJsp3:_idJsp4'});return
false;">Return to Index</a></span></span></div></td>
</tr><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><tr>
<td class="x5x" align="center"></td>
</tr><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><tr>
<td class="x5y" align="center"></td>
</tr><!--Start:
org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><tr>
<td class="x5z" align="center"></td>
</tr></table>
<input type="hidden" name="org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.faces.FORM"
value="_idJsp1">
<input type="hidden" name="org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.faces.STATE"
value="!400864fa">
<input type="hidden" name="source" value="a">
<input type="hidden" name="event" value="a">
</form>
</body>
<!--Created by Apache Trinidad (Apache MyFaces Trinidad API -
1.0.10/Apache MyFaces Trinidad Impl - 1.0.10), skin:minimal.pda--></html>
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 15:38, Mamallan Uthaman <mamallan.uthaman@oracle.com
> wrote:
> Hi Francisco,
>
> The best way to best detect whether JavaScript is being used or not is to
> intercepting your HTTP response using web-debugger like fiddler. You can
> download it from the link below:
> http://www.fiddler2.com/fiddler2/
>
> In your case, I believe it could have happened that though Trinidad doesn't
> use JavaScript, some components might still use some redundant JavaScript
> calls - could be a minor bug.
>
> Could you please tell me the version of Trinidad jars you are using?
>
> Also, Please find my answers for your questions inline.
>
> Thanks
> Mamallan
>
> Francisco Mardones wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm facing problems to post forms in Basic XHTML browsers (modern
> blackberries and desktop browsers work fine).
>
> I noticed form submission invokes a javascript function, even though
> according the docs I should NOT get any javascript:
>
> -----------start snippet-----------------
> "...it supports mobile browsers that support Basic XHTML or XHTML Mobile
> Profile. WAP 2.0 phone browsers are included in this category. Because of
> the hardware performance limitation, Trinidad does not download or use
> JavaScript library on such devices.
>
> The following list shows the examples of Basic XHTML mobile browsers.
>
> (snip)
>
> - RIM BlackBerry Browser 4.2 ~ 4.5"
>
> -----------end snippet-----------------
>
> I can see the generated code isn't xhtml, and also I see a lot of
> javascript (and particularly to submit the form, using "onclick" event), so
> I'm suspecting Trinidad is not detecting properly which browser is
> accessing. The User Agent for the mobile is "BlackBerry7100i/4.1.0
> Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/103"
>
> My questions are:
> 1) How I can debug which browser is detecting?
>
> Use following EL:
> #{requestContext.agent.agentName}
> #{requestContext.agent.agentVersion}
> #{requestContext.agent.platformName}
>
> 2) Is there any way to enforce code generation to basic xhtml?
>
> No, Trinidad has predefine rules which is not configurable.
>
> 3) Can I extend and/or add a new 'renderer' profile in Trinidad? (notice my
> browser is 4.1, and the doc says at least support 4.2 and above, so maybe is
> defaulting wrongly given mine is older...) (as you can imagine after long
> tests now I'm facing the "wild guessing" phase :P )
>
> No
>
> Many Thanks
> Francisco
>
>
Re: [trinidad] problem submitting forms in limited mobile browsers
Posted by Francisco Mardones <fr...@mardonet.com>.
ups...you're right.
The rendering works fine using the latest version in BlackBerry browser
v4.1.0. Tested.
Thanks a lot!
Francisco
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 18:57, Mamallan Uthaman <mamallan.uthaman@oracle.com
> wrote:
> Hi Francisco,
>
> Doesn't seems like a bug. After seeing the code below, I can conclude that
> the Survey Demo uses Trinidad 1.x., and is old enough not to have
> mobile-related changes. Many mobile features and fixes are available in
> Trinidad 1.2.x only. Please try creating a simple page and test it using
> Trinidad 1.2.x.
>
> *"<!--Created by Apache Trinidad (Apache MyFaces Trinidad API -
> 1.0.10/Apache MyFaces Trinidad Impl - 1.0.10), skin:minimal.pda-->" --
> taken from Survey Demo's HTML code *
>
> Thanks
> Mamallan
>
> Francisco Mardones wrote:
>
> The version described in Trinidad jar's Manifest is 1.2.11.1-SNAPSHOT (I'm
> using the version bundled in Jdeveloper 11.1.1.1.0).
>
> I intercepted the html generated for the Survey Demo application (
> http://www.irian.at/trinidad-demo/faces/surveydemo/surveyStart.jspx)
> sending BlackBerry's User Agent v4.1 and got the html below. Something
> strange: the form is invoking a function called "submitForm" on click, but
> this in not defined or included in the whole page. Also, notice the code
> isn't xhtml...
> ¿What do you think? ¿Could be a bug?
>
> Thanks a lot
> Francisco
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"><!--Start<http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd%22%3E%3C%21--Start>:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Document["_idJsp0"]--><html dir="ltr" lang="en">
> <head>
> <title>Survey</title>
>
> <meta name="generator" content="Apache MyFaces Trinidad">
>
> <link rel="stylesheet" charset="UTF-8" type="text/css"
> href="/trinidad-demo/adf/styles/cache/minimal-pda-nhib3y-en-ltr-blackberry-blackberry-cmp.css">
> </head>
> <!--Start: org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Document["_idJsp0"]-->
> <body onload="_checkLoadNoPPR()"><a name="top"></a>
> <noscript>This page uses JavaScript and requires a JavaScript enabled
> browser.Your browser is not JavaScript enabled.</noscript>
> <!--Start: org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Form["_idJsp1"]-->
> <form id="_idJsp1" name="_idJsp1" style="margin:0px" method="POST"
> action="/trinidad-demo/faces/surveydemo/surveyStart.jspx"><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><div></div><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]-->
> <hr size="2">
> <!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp5"]--><div>
> <h1 class="x6u">Welcome to the Survey Demo</h1>
> <!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Output["_idJsp6"]--><span class="x0">Test your
> knowledge of California Driving Laws</span><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Object["_idJsp7"]--><div
> style="margin-top:20px"></div><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Command["_idJsp8"]--><input type="submit"
> onclick="submitForm('_idJsp1',1,{source:'_idJsp8'});return false;"
> class="x7i" value="begin survey"></div><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]-->
> <hr size="2">
> <!--Start: org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><table
> width="100%" summary=""><tr>
> <td align="center"><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.NavigationLevel["_idJsp3"]--><div
> class="af_navigationPane"><span class="x42"><span class="x43"><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Command["_idJsp4"]--><a id="_idJsp3:_idJsp4"
> name="_idJsp3:_idJsp4" href="#"
> onclick="submitForm('_idJsp1',0,{source:'_idJsp3:_idJsp4'});return
> false;">Return to Index</a></span></span></div></td>
> </tr><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><tr>
> <td class="x5x" align="center"></td>
> </tr><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><tr>
> <td class="x5y" align="center"></td>
> </tr><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><tr>
> <td class="x5z" align="center"></td>
> </tr></table>
> <input type="hidden" name="org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.faces.FORM"
> value="_idJsp1">
> <input type="hidden" name="org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.faces.STATE"
> value="!400864fa">
> <input type="hidden" name="source" value="a">
> <input type="hidden" name="event" value="a">
> </form>
> </body>
> <!--Created by Apache Trinidad (Apache MyFaces Trinidad API -
> 1.0.10/Apache MyFaces Trinidad Impl - 1.0.10), skin:minimal.pda--></html>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 15:38, Mamallan Uthaman <
> mamallan.uthaman@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Francisco,
>>
>> The best way to best detect whether JavaScript is being used or not is to
>> intercepting your HTTP response using web-debugger like fiddler. You can
>> download it from the link below:
>> http://www.fiddler2.com/fiddler2/
>>
>> In your case, I believe it could have happened that though Trinidad
>> doesn't use JavaScript, some components might still use some redundant
>> JavaScript calls - could be a minor bug.
>>
>> Could you please tell me the version of Trinidad jars you are using?
>>
>> Also, Please find my answers for your questions inline.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mamallan
>>
>> Francisco Mardones wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm facing problems to post forms in Basic XHTML browsers (modern
>> blackberries and desktop browsers work fine).
>>
>> I noticed form submission invokes a javascript function, even though
>> according the docs I should NOT get any javascript:
>>
>> -----------start snippet-----------------
>> "...it supports mobile browsers that support Basic XHTML or XHTML Mobile
>> Profile. WAP 2.0 phone browsers are included in this category. Because of
>> the hardware performance limitation, Trinidad does not download or use
>> JavaScript library on such devices.
>>
>> The following list shows the examples of Basic XHTML mobile browsers.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> - RIM BlackBerry Browser 4.2 ~ 4.5"
>>
>> -----------end snippet-----------------
>>
>> I can see the generated code isn't xhtml, and also I see a lot of
>> javascript (and particularly to submit the form, using "onclick" event), so
>> I'm suspecting Trinidad is not detecting properly which browser is
>> accessing. The User Agent for the mobile is "BlackBerry7100i/4.1.0
>> Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/103"
>>
>> My questions are:
>> 1) How I can debug which browser is detecting?
>>
>> Use following EL:
>> #{requestContext.agent.agentName}
>> #{requestContext.agent.agentVersion}
>> #{requestContext.agent.platformName}
>>
>> 2) Is there any way to enforce code generation to basic xhtml?
>>
>> No, Trinidad has predefine rules which is not configurable.
>>
>> 3) Can I extend and/or add a new 'renderer' profile in Trinidad? (notice
>> my browser is 4.1, and the doc says at least support 4.2 and above, so maybe
>> is defaulting wrongly given mine is older...) (as you can imagine after long
>> tests now I'm facing the "wild guessing" phase :P )
>>
>> No
>>
>> Many Thanks
>> Francisco
>>
>>
>
Re: [trinidad] problem submitting forms in limited mobile browsers
Posted by Mamallan Uthaman <ma...@oracle.com>.
Hi Francisco,
Doesn't seems like a bug. After seeing the code below, I can conclude
that the Survey Demo uses Trinidad 1.x., and is old enough not to have
mobile-related changes. Many mobile features and fixes are available in
Trinidad 1.2.x only. Please try creating a simple page and test it using
Trinidad 1.2.x.
*"<!--Created by Apache Trinidad (Apache MyFaces Trinidad API -
1.0.10/Apache MyFaces Trinidad Impl - 1.0.10), skin:minimal.pda-->" --
taken from Survey Demo's HTML code *
Thanks
Mamallan
Francisco Mardones wrote:
> The version described in Trinidad jar's Manifest is 1.2.11.1-SNAPSHOT
> (I'm using the version bundled in Jdeveloper 11.1.1.1.0).
>
> I intercepted the html generated for the Survey Demo application
> (http://www.irian.at/trinidad-demo/faces/surveydemo/surveyStart.jspx)
> sending BlackBerry's User Agent v4.1 and got the html below. Something
> strange: the form is invoking a function called "submitForm" on click,
> but this in not defined or included in the whole page. Also, notice
> the code isn't xhtml...
>
> ¿What do you think? ¿Could be a bug?
>
> Thanks a lot
> Francisco
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"><!--Start
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd%22%3E%3C%21--Start>:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Document["_idJsp0"]--><html dir="ltr"
> lang="en">
> <head>
> <title>Survey</title>
>
> <meta name="generator" content="Apache MyFaces Trinidad">
>
> <link rel="stylesheet" charset="UTF-8" type="text/css"
> href="/trinidad-demo/adf/styles/cache/minimal-pda-nhib3y-en-ltr-blackberry-blackberry-cmp.css">
> </head>
> <!--Start: org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Document["_idJsp0"]-->
> <body onload="_checkLoadNoPPR()"><a name="top"></a>
> <noscript>This page uses JavaScript and requires a JavaScript
> enabled browser.Your browser is not JavaScript enabled.</noscript>
> <!--Start: org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Form["_idJsp1"]-->
> <form id="_idJsp1" name="_idJsp1" style="margin:0px" method="POST"
> action="/trinidad-demo/faces/surveydemo/surveyStart.jspx"><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><div></div><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]-->
> <hr size="2">
> <!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp5"]--><div>
> <h1 class="x6u">Welcome to the Survey Demo</h1>
> <!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Output["_idJsp6"]--><span class="x0">Test
> your knowledge of California Driving Laws</span><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Object["_idJsp7"]--><div
> style="margin-top:20px"></div><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Command["_idJsp8"]--><input type="submit"
> onclick="submitForm('_idJsp1',1,{source:'_idJsp8'});return false;"
> class="x7i" value="begin survey"></div><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]-->
> <hr size="2">
> <!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><table width="100%"
> summary=""><tr>
> <td align="center"><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.NavigationLevel["_idJsp3"]--><div
> class="af_navigationPane"><span class="x42"><span
> class="x43"><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Command["_idJsp4"]--><a
> id="_idJsp3:_idJsp4" name="_idJsp3:_idJsp4" href="#"
> onclick="submitForm('_idJsp1',0,{source:'_idJsp3:_idJsp4'});return
> false;">Return to Index</a></span></span></div></td>
> </tr><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><tr>
> <td class="x5x" align="center"></td>
> </tr><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><tr>
> <td class="x5y" align="center"></td>
> </tr><!--Start:
> org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.Panel["_idJsp2"]--><tr>
> <td class="x5z" align="center"></td>
> </tr></table>
> <input type="hidden" name="org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.faces.FORM"
> value="_idJsp1">
> <input type="hidden" name="org.apache.myfaces.trinidad.faces.STATE"
> value="!400864fa">
> <input type="hidden" name="source" value="a">
> <input type="hidden" name="event" value="a">
> </form>
> </body>
> <!--Created by Apache Trinidad (Apache MyFaces Trinidad API -
> 1.0.10/Apache MyFaces Trinidad Impl - 1.0.10), skin:minimal.pda--></html>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 15:38, Mamallan Uthaman
> <mamallan.uthaman@oracle.com <ma...@oracle.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Francisco,
>
> The best way to best detect whether JavaScript is being used or
> not is to intercepting your HTTP response using web-debugger like
> fiddler. You can download it from the link below:
> http://www.fiddler2.com/fiddler2/
>
> In your case, I believe it could have happened that though
> Trinidad doesn't use JavaScript, some components might still use
> some redundant JavaScript calls - could be a minor bug.
>
> Could you please tell me the version of Trinidad jars you are using?
>
> Also, Please find my answers for your questions inline.
>
> Thanks
> Mamallan
>
>
> Francisco Mardones wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm facing problems to post forms in Basic XHTML browsers (modern
>> blackberries and desktop browsers work fine).
>>
>> I noticed form submission invokes a javascript function, even
>> though according the docs I should NOT get any javascript:
>>
>> -----------start snippet-----------------
>> "...it supports mobile browsers that support Basic XHTML or XHTML
>> Mobile Profile. WAP 2.0 phone browsers are included in this
>> category. Because of the hardware performance limitation,
>> Trinidad does not download or use JavaScript library on such
>> devices.
>>
>> The following list shows the examples of Basic XHTML mobile
>> browsers.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> * RIM BlackBerry Browser 4.2 ~ 4.5"
>>
>> -----------end snippet-----------------
>>
>> I can see the generated code isn't xhtml, and also I see a lot of
>> javascript (and particularly to submit the form, using "onclick"
>> event), so I'm suspecting Trinidad is not detecting properly
>> which browser is accessing. The User Agent for the mobile is
>> "BlackBerry7100i/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
>> VendorID/103"
>>
>> My questions are:
>> 1) How I can debug which browser is detecting?
> Use following EL:
> #{requestContext.agent.agentName}
> #{requestContext.agent.agentVersion}
> #{requestContext.agent.platformName}
>
>> 2) Is there any way to enforce code generation to basic xhtml?
> No, Trinidad has predefine rules which is not configurable.
>
>> 3) Can I extend and/or add a new 'renderer' profile in Trinidad?
>> (notice my browser is 4.1, and the doc says at least support 4.2
>> and above, so maybe is defaulting wrongly given mine is older...)
>> (as you can imagine after long tests now I'm facing the "wild
>> guessing" phase :P )
>>
> No
>> Many Thanks
>> Francisco
>
>