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Posted to users@spamassassin.apache.org by Linooks <ge...@gmail.com> on 2007/08/22 20:29:38 UTC
is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Hi,
Im using qmail,vpopmail,clamav,and SA 3.0.1 under RHEL4
We send newsletters frequently so I really understand that it will cost a
lot of cpu usage. I was thinking if I can setup the SA into a different
machine, not with the email server. So I can gain more cpu usage. when it
goes to 99 to 100 I can send and receive emails! can SA be setup like that?
SA will scan remote email servers?:-(
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Jari Fredriksson <ja...@iki.fi>.
> Hi,
>
> Im using qmail,vpopmail,clamav,and SA 3.0.1 under RHEL4
>
> We send newsletters frequently so I really understand
> that it will cost a lot of cpu usage. I was thinking if I
> can setup the SA into a different machine, not with the
> email server. So I can gain more cpu usage. when it goes
> to 99 to 100 I can send and receive emails! can SA be
> setup like that? SA will scan remote email servers?:-(
If you use spamc to invoke SA, you can tell a spamd server to it using -d option.
You can even have several spamd servers, as long as the server name assingned with -d option resolves to those several servers.
Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Matt Kettler <mk...@verizon.net>.
Linooks wrote:
> I have it working!
>
> added the email address that sends newsletters in simcontrol
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> But I have another last problem.
> I get a spam with an email within my domain? lets say
> goo@mydomain.com <--- sends out spam messages to all
>
> Can someone please tell how to solve this one? thanks in advance!!!
Um, handle it like any other spam?
You didn't do something like this did you?
whitelist_from *@mydomain.com
If you did, don't. Spammers abuse that frequently.
Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Linooks <ge...@gmail.com>.
Thanks! i will check..
John D. Hardin wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Linooks wrote:
>
>> this is the full header:
>>
>> Return-Path: <dc...@wmlarned.com>
>> Delivered-To: gerard.leonardo@developmentex.com
>> Received: (qmail 18837 invoked by uid 89); 24 Aug 2007 19:45:01 -0000
>> Delivered-To: developmentex.com-it@developmentex.com
>> Received: (qmail 18801 invoked by uid 89); 24 Aug 2007 19:45:01 -0000
>> Received: from unknown (HELO pcsp221-151.supercabletv.net.co)
>> (200.106.221.151)
>> by 0 with SMTP; 24 Aug 2007 19:44:57 -0000
>> Received-SPF: none (0: domain at wmlarned.com does not designate
>> permitted
>> sender hosts)
>> X-Originating-IP: 81.104.138.159 by smtp.200.106.221.151; Fri, 24 Aug
>> 2007
>> 15:27:02 -0500
>> Message-ID: <aq...@developmentex.com>
>> From: "Latonya Moran" <gr...@developmentex.com>
>> Reply-To: "Latonya Moran" <gr...@developmentex.com>
>> To: groo@developmentex.com
>> Subject: Best IWC repl1ca w4tches at Prest1ge Repl1cas
>> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:27:02 -0500
>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
>
> I don't see any SA headers in that at all. You might want to check
> whatever feeds messages to SA and see whether it is passing messages
> with your domain in the From header to SA in the first place.
>
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> designed to protect us from the terrorists, but instead to protect
> our public officials from criticism when another attack occurs.
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by "John D. Hardin" <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Linooks wrote:
> this is the full header:
>
> Return-Path: <dc...@wmlarned.com>
> Delivered-To: gerard.leonardo@developmentex.com
> Received: (qmail 18837 invoked by uid 89); 24 Aug 2007 19:45:01 -0000
> Delivered-To: developmentex.com-it@developmentex.com
> Received: (qmail 18801 invoked by uid 89); 24 Aug 2007 19:45:01 -0000
> Received: from unknown (HELO pcsp221-151.supercabletv.net.co)
> (200.106.221.151)
> by 0 with SMTP; 24 Aug 2007 19:44:57 -0000
> Received-SPF: none (0: domain at wmlarned.com does not designate permitted
> sender hosts)
> X-Originating-IP: 81.104.138.159 by smtp.200.106.221.151; Fri, 24 Aug 2007
> 15:27:02 -0500
> Message-ID: <aq...@developmentex.com>
> From: "Latonya Moran" <gr...@developmentex.com>
> Reply-To: "Latonya Moran" <gr...@developmentex.com>
> To: groo@developmentex.com
> Subject: Best IWC repl1ca w4tches at Prest1ge Repl1cas
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:27:02 -0500
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
I don't see any SA headers in that at all. You might want to check
whatever feeds messages to SA and see whether it is passing messages
with your domain in the From header to SA in the first place.
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...much of our country's counterterrorism security spending is not
designed to protect us from the terrorists, but instead to protect
our public officials from criticism when another attack occurs.
-- Bruce Schneier
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Linooks <ge...@gmail.com>.
this is the full header:
Return-Path: <dc...@wmlarned.com>
Delivered-To: gerard.leonardo@developmentex.com
Received: (qmail 18837 invoked by uid 89); 24 Aug 2007 19:45:01 -0000
Delivered-To: developmentex.com-it@developmentex.com
Received: (qmail 18801 invoked by uid 89); 24 Aug 2007 19:45:01 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO pcsp221-151.supercabletv.net.co)
(200.106.221.151)
by 0 with SMTP; 24 Aug 2007 19:44:57 -0000
Received-SPF: none (0: domain at wmlarned.com does not designate permitted
sender hosts)
X-Originating-IP: 81.104.138.159 by smtp.200.106.221.151; Fri, 24 Aug 2007
15:27:02 -0500
Message-ID: <aq...@developmentex.com>
From: "Latonya Moran" <gr...@developmentex.com>
Reply-To: "Latonya Moran" <gr...@developmentex.com>
To: groo@developmentex.com
Subject: Best IWC repl1ca w4tches at Prest1ge Repl1cas
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:27:02 -0500
Content-Type: text/plain;
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
As you see, it came from groo@myowndomain.com and that is developmentex
John D. Hardin wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Linooks wrote:
>
>> I had no whitelist option in my local.cf so I think that is not
>> the cause.
>>
>> Hmm,, I really wonder why.
>
> Please post a sample including all headers, if you can.
>
>> > On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Linooks wrote:
>> >
>> >> But I have another last problem.
>> >> I get a spam with an email within my domain? lets say
>> >> goo@mydomain.com <--- sends out spam messages to all
>
> The way I deal with it is I know mail from my domain will only ever
> originate at my MTA. I have some milter-regex rules that reject
> messages "from" my domain unless they originate on the private
> network side of the MTA.
>
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> What nuts do with guns is terrible, certainly. But what evil or crazy
> people do with *anything* is not a valid argument for banning that
> item. -- John C. Randolph <jc...@idiom.com>
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>
>
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by "John D. Hardin" <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Linooks wrote:
> I had no whitelist option in my local.cf so I think that is not
> the cause.
>
> Hmm,, I really wonder why.
Please post a sample including all headers, if you can.
> > On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Linooks wrote:
> >
> >> But I have another last problem.
> >> I get a spam with an email within my domain? lets say
> >> goo@mydomain.com <--- sends out spam messages to all
The way I deal with it is I know mail from my domain will only ever
originate at my MTA. I have some milter-regex rules that reject
messages "from" my domain unless they originate on the private
network side of the MTA.
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people do with *anything* is not a valid argument for banning that
item. -- John C. Randolph <jc...@idiom.com>
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Linooks <ge...@gmail.com>.
I had no whitelist option in my local.cf so I think that is not the cause.
Hmm,, I really wonder why.
thanks though!
John D. Hardin wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Linooks wrote:
>
>> But I have another last problem.
>> I get a spam with an email within my domain? lets say
>> goo@mydomain.com <--- sends out spam messages to all
>>
>> Can someone please tell how to solve this one? thanks in advance!!!
>
> You mean it's not blocking spams that have the FROM address in your
> domain? The most common cause for that is using "whitelist_from" to
> whitelist your own domain, which is a baaaaad idea. Don't do that.
>
> Posting a specific sample to a website and mailing the URL to the list
> will let us see what you mean, which will help us give useful advice.
>
> --
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> jhardin@impsec.org FALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhardin@impsec.org
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> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> What nuts do with guns is terrible, certainly. But what evil or crazy
> people do with *anything* is not a valid argument for banning that
> item. -- John C. Randolph <jc...@idiom.com>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tomorrow: The 1928th anniversary of the destruction of Pompeii
>
>
>
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Tom Ray <to...@detroitonline.com>.
I'm a little late stepping in on this and it seems the original email
was deleted from my mail box by mistake. As everyone has saids, yes you
can use spam assassin on a separate server. I do that right now and it
works pretty well. It's also pretty slick because I have it setup not
only to filter SPAM only for the domains I tell it but also only for
specific email accounts I tell it to.
In your primary zone file set up two MX records for the domain. 10 goes
to the spam server, 2o goes straight to the mail machine.
On the server that is running spam assassin I have it setup with Exim
4.67, SA 3.2.2, ClamAV .091.2, Bind 9.3.3
* Create a user equal to the domain. So domain.com is user domaincom.
For me the user dir is /home/sa-users/domaincom
* In the home dir setup a directory for each account you want to run
along with a 0 byte file called "spamcheck" so you end up with something
like /home/sa-users/domaincom/tom/spamcheck
* I add all the domains I'm accepting mail for in /etc/exim/domains
* I add all the domains I'm filtering for in /etc/exim/sa-list
* I create a zone file in /var/named with the following two lines. In my
resolv.conf I have it looking at the local machine only.
IN MX 10 mail.domainnamehere.com.
mail IN A 1.1.1.120
My exim.conf Router and Transport for SA looks like this:
Router:
# SpamAssassin
spamcheck_router:
driver = accept
no_verify
check_local_user = false
# When to scan a message :
# - it isn't already flagged as spam
# - it isn't already scanned
condition = "${if and { {!def:h_X-Spam-Flag:} {!eq
{$received_protocol}{spam-scanned}}} {1}{0}}"
require_files = /mail/${domain}/spamassassin/${local_part}/spamcheck
transport = spamcheck
# Only send mail for our domains
lookuphost:
driver = dnslookup
domains = /etc/exim/domains
transport = remote_smtp
no_more
Transport:
spamcheck:
driver = pipe
command = /usr/local/exim/bin/exim -oMr spam-scanned -bS
use_bsmtp = true
transport_filter = /usr/bin/spamc -u
${lookup{$domain}lsearch*{/etc/exim/sa-list}{$value}}
home_directory = /tmp
current_directory = /tmp
# must use a privileged user to set $received_protocol on the way
back in!
user = exim
group = exim
log_output = true
return_fail_output = true
return_path_add = false
message_prefix =
message_suffix =
Basically it accepts the mail for the domain, if it's supposed to check
it for SPAM it does, all mail is scanned for viruses. I automatically
drop anything with .vbs .scr or other types of attachments and then it
sends the mail onto my mail server or what ever other mail server I
specify for the domain in the local zone file. I have clients running in
house email servers but I scan for viruses and spam before delivering it
on to them. The other beauty is if the main mail server(s) go down, the
spam server will hold the message in queue until the server(s) are
responding again. I hold messages for 14 days before thawing and dumping
them.
Oh and finally, once SA scans email once for the domain it puts the
user_prefs file in /home/sa-users/domaincom/.spamassassin
Hope this helps.
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by "John D. Hardin" <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Linooks wrote:
> But I have another last problem.
> I get a spam with an email within my domain? lets say
> goo@mydomain.com <--- sends out spam messages to all
>
> Can someone please tell how to solve this one? thanks in advance!!!
You mean it's not blocking spams that have the FROM address in your
domain? The most common cause for that is using "whitelist_from" to
whitelist your own domain, which is a baaaaad idea. Don't do that.
Posting a specific sample to a website and mailing the URL to the list
will let us see what you mean, which will help us give useful advice.
--
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item. -- John C. Randolph <jc...@idiom.com>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Linooks <ge...@gmail.com>.
I have it working!
added the email address that sends newsletters in simcontrol
Thanks for the help.
But I have another last problem.
I get a spam with an email within my domain? lets say
goo@mydomain.com <--- sends out spam messages to all
Can someone please tell how to solve this one? thanks in advance!!!
Matt Kettler-3 wrote:
>
> Linooks wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Im using qmail,vpopmail,clamav,and SA 3.0.1 under RHEL4
>>
>> We send newsletters frequently so I really understand that it will cost a
>> lot of cpu usage. I was thinking if I can setup the SA into a different
>> machine, not with the email server. So I can gain more cpu usage. when it
>> goes to 99 to 100 I can send and receive emails! can SA be setup like
>> that?
>> SA will scan remote email servers?:-(
>>
> Yes, you can do this with spamc and spamd. You'll need to tweak some
> options on their command-lines to make them work over anything but the
> loopback, but the spamc/spamd pair is fundamentally designed with this
> kind of use in mind.
>
>
>
>
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Matt Kettler <mk...@verizon.net>.
Linooks wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Im using qmail,vpopmail,clamav,and SA 3.0.1 under RHEL4
>
> We send newsletters frequently so I really understand that it will cost a
> lot of cpu usage. I was thinking if I can setup the SA into a different
> machine, not with the email server. So I can gain more cpu usage. when it
> goes to 99 to 100 I can send and receive emails! can SA be setup like that?
> SA will scan remote email servers?:-(
>
Yes, you can do this with spamc and spamd. You'll need to tweak some
options on their command-lines to make them work over anything but the
loopback, but the spamc/spamd pair is fundamentally designed with this
kind of use in mind.
Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Linooks <ge...@gmail.com>.
So sir, I can just setup an updated verision of SA in a different server and
configure it to scan remote servers? can u please send a link how to that..
Im not that good yet..:working:
Linooks wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Im using qmail,vpopmail,clamav,and SA 3.0.1 under RHEL4
>
> We send newsletters frequently so I really understand that it will cost a
> lot of cpu usage. I was thinking if I can setup the SA into a different
> machine, not with the email server. So I can gain more cpu usage. when it
> goes to 99 to 100 I can send and receive emails! can SA be setup like
> that? SA will scan remote email servers?:-(
>
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Linooks <ge...@gmail.com>.
Cool!! i will try this one,, a very big thanks!! muah! I think this will
work!
Rick Macdougall-2 wrote:
>
> Linooks wrote:
>> I have no idea, but I think the server uses simscan to call clam and SA.
>> I
>> hope that helps..
>>
>>
>
> If you are using simscan you can add
>
> user@domain.com:spam=no,clam=yes
>
> to the /var/qmail/control/simcontrol file and then run
> /var/qmail/bin/simscanmk.
>
> user@domain.com is the email address of the account used to send out the
> newsletters.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Rick Macdougall <ri...@ummm-beer.com>.
Linooks wrote:
> I have no idea, but I think the server uses simscan to call clam and SA. I
> hope that helps..
>
>
If you are using simscan you can add
user@domain.com:spam=no,clam=yes
to the /var/qmail/control/simcontrol file and then run
/var/qmail/bin/simscanmk.
user@domain.com is the email address of the account used to send out the
newsletters.
Regards,
Rick
Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Linooks <ge...@gmail.com>.
I have no idea, but I think the server uses simscan to call clam and SA. I
hope that helps..
John D. Hardin wrote:
>
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Linooks wrote:
>
>> Thats also my problem, I did not set this email server..
>>
>> How would I do what you recommend?
>
> First question: how is SA being called? Then we can offer advice.
>
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> nineteen of them collapsed when they reached the moral state the
> United States is in now. -- Arnold Toynbee
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by "John D. Hardin" <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Linooks wrote:
> Thats also my problem, I did not set this email server..
>
> How would I do what you recommend?
First question: how is SA being called? Then we can offer advice.
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Linooks <ge...@gmail.com>.
Thats also my problem, I did not set this email server..
How would I do what you recommend?
Thanks,
Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
>
> * Linooks <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Im using qmail,vpopmail,clamav,and SA 3.0.1 under RHEL4
>>
>> We send newsletters frequently so I really understand that it will cost a
>> lot of cpu usage.
>
> Why would it? Can't you inject the newsletter in such a way that it
> circumvents SA & clamav?
>
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Re: is it possible to setup SA in a different machine?
Posted by Ralf Hildebrandt <Ra...@charite.de>.
* Linooks <ge...@gmail.com>:
>
> Hi,
>
> Im using qmail,vpopmail,clamav,and SA 3.0.1 under RHEL4
>
> We send newsletters frequently so I really understand that it will cost a
> lot of cpu usage.
Why would it? Can't you inject the newsletter in such a way that it
circumvents SA & clamav?
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