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Posted to java-dev@axis.apache.org by James M Snell <ja...@us.ibm.com> on 2001/03/21 06:36:44 UTC
Re: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
Glen,
No, I'm not on soapbuilders (I get enough email as it is! ;-) ....)
Seriously, here's what I'm thinking (Glen: perhaps you can pass this on to
the SOAP Builder list)
The SOAP Interoperability Conformance Suite (SICS) will basically be
defined as a set of Web Services Interfaces (described with WSDL) that
will test for conformance to every portion of the SOAP v1.1 specification.
SOAP Implementation developers wishing to validate their tools with SICS
will need to implement these interfaces using their specific SOAP
implementation and submit a test site URL to the SICS Online Validator.
The SICS OV will run through a series of tests that will implement the
defined interfaces and record the results.
All of the results for all tested implementations would be publically
available for review. SOAP Implementations will be scored according to
how well they do during the validation tests, with each section of the
SOAP specification assigned a numeric value based on how important full
support of that feature is to enabling seamless cross-platform
interoperability.
Implementations that meet a certain score threshold (to be determined)
will be authorized to use a "SICS Certified" logo in the documentation,
etc.
Below is a rough certification checklist:
> Download the SICS Interface Descriptions
> Implement the SICS Interface Descriptions
> Test your SICS Interface Implementation using the Validation Test Tool
> Submit your SICS Interface Implementation for Live Online Validation
> Wait to be notified of your Validation Score and Certification
Eligibility
Glen, feel free to give me a call sometime this week to discuss this more
in depth.
- James Snell
Software Engineer, Emerging Technologies, IBM
jasnell@us.ibm.com (online)
jsnell@lemoorenet.com (offline)
Please respond to soap-user@xml.apache.org
To: <so...@xml.apache.org>
cc:
Subject: Re: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
Yes! James, this is what everybody wants, and is talking about in email
and
on mailing lists. Let's all do it together, and not scatter our efforts.
Are you on soapbuilders (at yahoo groups)? I'm hoping there will be some
major action centered around this idea there in the next few days.
--Glen
----- Original Message -----
From: "James M Snell" <ja...@us.ibm.com>
To: <so...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
> Glen, et all,
>
> I was actually planning on putting together a more complete SOAP v1.1
> conformance validator that goes through a series of checks against both
> the server and client side implementations. The results of these tests
> would be published publically and give side by side comparisons of each
> tool that is tested. If anybody would like to help put this together,
let
> me know.
>
> - James Snell
> Software Engineer, Emerging Technologies, IBM
> jasnell@us.ibm.com (online)
> jsnell@lemoorenet.com (offline)
>
> Please respond to soap-user@xml.apache.org
> To: "'soap-user@xml.apache.org'" <so...@xml.apache.org>
> cc:
> Subject: RE: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
>
>
>
> Awesome, thanks Scott!
>
> I was going to say "it's easy, you just implement a java service class
> with
> the methods they're looking for, and probably a serializer/deserializer
> for
> the structs, then deploy it" but I just looked at the XML they're
sending
> and expecting, and it doesn't actually jibe very well with our RPC
> dispatching system (i.e. they don't namespace-qualify the body element).
> In
> other words, it's going to be somewhat of a pain in the rear to get this
> working right. We should look into this and see if we can deploy a
> service
> with a null namespace, for which I might need to tweak the codebase a
bit.
>
> Ain't interop fun? More on this soon.
>
> --G
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Sanders [mailto:satan@totalsync.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:52 PM
> > To: soap-user@xml.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
> >
> >
> > I am willing to help with something like this. What do I need to do?
> >
> > Scott Sanders
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Glen Daniels" <gd...@allaire.com>
> > To: <so...@xml.apache.org>; <so...@xml.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:11 AM
> > Subject: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hey, it's been noted that there are currently no Apache-SOAP servers
> > (I
> > > think - it's a bit hard to tell) that have been validated by the
> > Userland
> > > SOAP validator (at http://validator.soapware.org).
> > >
> > > Would someone out there be willing to set up a publically-accessible
> > SOAP
> > > endpoint on the net somewhere and implement the services so that we
> > can get
> > > our stuff tested with this interoperability system?
> > >
> > > Could we host such a thing at Apache?
> > >
> > > Glen Daniels
> > > Allaire Corp
> > > Engineering Manager
> > > http://www.allaire.com/
> > > Building cool stuff for web
> > developers
> > >
> >
>
>
Re: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
Posted by Simon Fell <so...@zaks.demon.co.uk>.
James, how are you going to cope with the parts of the SOAP 1.1 spec
that aren't expressible in WSDL ?
Cheers
Simon
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:36:44 -0800, in soap-apache you wrote:
>Glen,
>
>No, I'm not on soapbuilders (I get enough email as it is! ;-) ....)
>
>Seriously, here's what I'm thinking (Glen: perhaps you can pass this on to
>the SOAP Builder list)
>
>The SOAP Interoperability Conformance Suite (SICS) will basically be
>defined as a set of Web Services Interfaces (described with WSDL) that
>will test for conformance to every portion of the SOAP v1.1 specification.
>
>SOAP Implementation developers wishing to validate their tools with SICS
>will need to implement these interfaces using their specific SOAP
>implementation and submit a test site URL to the SICS Online Validator.
>The SICS OV will run through a series of tests that will implement the
>defined interfaces and record the results.
>
>All of the results for all tested implementations would be publically
>available for review. SOAP Implementations will be scored according to
>how well they do during the validation tests, with each section of the
>SOAP specification assigned a numeric value based on how important full
>support of that feature is to enabling seamless cross-platform
>interoperability.
>
>Implementations that meet a certain score threshold (to be determined)
>will be authorized to use a "SICS Certified" logo in the documentation,
>etc.
>
>Below is a rough certification checklist:
>
>> Download the SICS Interface Descriptions
>> Implement the SICS Interface Descriptions
>> Test your SICS Interface Implementation using the Validation Test Tool
>> Submit your SICS Interface Implementation for Live Online Validation
>> Wait to be notified of your Validation Score and Certification
>Eligibility
>
>Glen, feel free to give me a call sometime this week to discuss this more
>in depth.
>
>- James Snell
> Software Engineer, Emerging Technologies, IBM
> jasnell@us.ibm.com (online)
> jsnell@lemoorenet.com (offline)
>
>Please respond to soap-user@xml.apache.org
>To: <so...@xml.apache.org>
>cc:
>Subject: Re: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
>
>
>
>Yes! James, this is what everybody wants, and is talking about in email
>and
>on mailing lists. Let's all do it together, and not scatter our efforts.
>Are you on soapbuilders (at yahoo groups)? I'm hoping there will be some
>major action centered around this idea there in the next few days.
>
>--Glen
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James M Snell" <ja...@us.ibm.com>
>To: <so...@xml.apache.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:45 PM
>Subject: RE: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
>
>
>> Glen, et all,
>>
>> I was actually planning on putting together a more complete SOAP v1.1
>> conformance validator that goes through a series of checks against both
>> the server and client side implementations. The results of these tests
>> would be published publically and give side by side comparisons of each
>> tool that is tested. If anybody would like to help put this together,
>let
>> me know.
>>
>> - James Snell
>> Software Engineer, Emerging Technologies, IBM
>> jasnell@us.ibm.com (online)
>> jsnell@lemoorenet.com (offline)
>>
>> Please respond to soap-user@xml.apache.org
>> To: "'soap-user@xml.apache.org'" <so...@xml.apache.org>
>> cc:
>> Subject: RE: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
>>
>>
>>
>> Awesome, thanks Scott!
>>
>> I was going to say "it's easy, you just implement a java service class
>> with
>> the methods they're looking for, and probably a serializer/deserializer
>> for
>> the structs, then deploy it" but I just looked at the XML they're
>sending
>> and expecting, and it doesn't actually jibe very well with our RPC
>> dispatching system (i.e. they don't namespace-qualify the body element).
>> In
>> other words, it's going to be somewhat of a pain in the rear to get this
>> working right. We should look into this and see if we can deploy a
>> service
>> with a null namespace, for which I might need to tweak the codebase a
>bit.
>>
>> Ain't interop fun? More on this soon.
>>
>> --G
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Scott Sanders [mailto:satan@totalsync.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:52 PM
>> > To: soap-user@xml.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
>> >
>> >
>> > I am willing to help with something like this. What do I need to do?
>> >
>> > Scott Sanders
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Glen Daniels" <gd...@allaire.com>
>> > To: <so...@xml.apache.org>; <so...@xml.apache.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:11 AM
>> > Subject: CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS : SOAP interop test suite
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Hey, it's been noted that there are currently no Apache-SOAP servers
>> > (I
>> > > think - it's a bit hard to tell) that have been validated by the
>> > Userland
>> > > SOAP validator (at http://validator.soapware.org).
>> > >
>> > > Would someone out there be willing to set up a publically-accessible
>> > SOAP
>> > > endpoint on the net somewhere and implement the services so that we
>> > can get
>> > > our stuff tested with this interoperability system?
>> > >
>> > > Could we host such a thing at Apache?
>> > >
>> > > Glen Daniels
>> > > Allaire Corp
>> > > Engineering Manager
>> > > http://www.allaire.com/
>> > > Building cool stuff for web
>> > developers
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>