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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Kevin Grignon
<ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've updated my flat application icons design exploration to show the icons
> adjacent to the new flat logo.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons
>
> Scroll to end of page to see the flat icons.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
Hi -- I LIKE these! Very nice. Modern.
I would just like to mention that a small "flat" orb icon in various sizes
might also be needed to replace the images that start with "main..." in:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/
This is used on (my) Linux system(s) for the main soffice component.
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>.
> Well, maybe...
> - a big 'Sigma' sign (sum)
> - something remembering to formulas, something simple, a^b, e = mc^2,
> x/y, a(over)b, sqrt(a), ...
> Not easy, true.
>
Hah! What about an abstracted 'Einstein' photo...? (not sure if the
example will be stripped)...
scaled to 32x27:
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>.
Hi Samer,
On 10.07.2013 00:15, Samer Mansour wrote:
> I don't know what 'dia' means.
Sorry, I am not a native speaker. leo says 'slide' (I should have known
that ;-)). The old plastic, quadratic film holders with the unique
format, used in diascopes.
>
> My opinion is that we should not worry about them being all the same or all
> unique.
Okay.
> If the product's default perspective is landscape I did landscape, vice
> versa if its default if portrait I did portrait.
Good point!
>
> When we go circle we gain space for the application picture, we also gain
> "circle" branding.
> Vice versa, when its square we loose circle branding but can gain gull
> branding, loosing space though for gull.
>
> Also putting the gull in the circle but not in one of the two places make
> it looks wrong when icon is compared to official logo.
If you still have that, would you be so kind to also put it on the page
- as an example to see what you mean here? I am cnfident that you are
right, but a picture says more than words...
>
> When I open documents I see a blank page (preferably with paragraphs).
> When I open spreadsheets I see cells.
> When I open presentations, I see bullets and a title.
True, and it's definitely individual/different for every viewer, but I
could not recognize it directly. I could recognize the 'slide' in
Kevin's suggestions better; just my thoughts, but maybe worth a try...?
> When I open draw, my first experience was clicking rectangle and placing it
> down on the canvas.
> When I think formulas, I think Sum (Sigma).
> When I think database. I think f*** how am I going to represent that?
Well, maybe...
- a big 'Sigma' sign (sum)
- something remembering to formulas, something simple, a^b, e = mc^2,
x/y, a(over)b, sqrt(a), ...
Not easy, true.
>
> That's the important part, think how a (slow) user would think.
> Familiarity. Pretty comes second.
Samer, thanks for your designs and thoughts!
Sincerely,
Armin
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Samer,
>>
>> nice stuff! No longer the basic 'app'-like shape, but nice ;-) I like the
>> round ones, this is a visible change. I miss the gulls less than I would
>> have imagined before seeing it...
>>
>> Some thoughts on looking at them:
>> - The symbols in the objects are well distinguishable. The presentation
>> one is rounded, the others have sharp edges. Would it be possible to have
>> sharp/round for all uniquely? Maybe a unique size for all, too?
>> - For Impress I still would prefer the 'dia' association, a frame with the
>> classic 'dia' dimensions and an open 'window' in the center, like in the
>> set from Kevin two above yours.
>>
>> Just my thoughts (and just suggestions of course)
>>
>>
>> On 08.07.2013 17:21, Samer Mansour wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone, took another stab:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>>> AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons>
>>>
>>> Upon scaling down, I can tweak line thicknesses to create sharper small
>>> set
>>> icons, I only scaled cheap to get this draft out on the mailing list for
>>> comments.
>>>
>>> Here are my thoughts when creating those:
>>>
>>> Flatter, sharper, more contrast, less gradients.
>>> People mentions circle is part of the brand, note taken and implemented.
>>> People mentioned too many gradients, I created this icon set back in
>>> December 2012 before we were inspired by the flat idea. Gradients have
>>> been
>>> removed.
>>> Someone mentioned shoot the birds, so I played Duck Hunt with them.
>>> Someone said my icon for Impress was less than, I choose not to act on it
>>> for the time being.
>>> I like the oblique styling on the Sigma, that's what the person building
>>> the shed wants to do.
>>> Jurgen mentioned boarders too dark, I forgot to lighten them, but can in
>>> future iterations.
>>> Rob mentioned templates to be dotted, did it, works. And its still
>>> similar
>>> enough for 3.x users to transition to.
>>>
>>> If time is running out, we can do just the main application icon for now.
>>> I'm ok with doing these for 4.1
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [stuff deleted here]
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Samer Mansour <sa...@gmail.com>.
I don't know what 'dia' means.
My opinion is that we should not worry about them being all the same or all
unique.
If the product's default perspective is landscape I did landscape, vice
versa if its default if portrait I did portrait.
When we go circle we gain space for the application picture, we also gain
"circle" branding.
Vice versa, when its square we loose circle branding but can gain gull
branding, loosing space though for gull.
Also putting the gull in the circle but not in one of the two places make
it looks wrong when icon is compared to official logo.
When I open documents I see a blank page (preferably with paragraphs).
When I open spreadsheets I see cells.
When I open presentations, I see bullets and a title.
When I open draw, my first experience was clicking rectangle and placing it
down on the canvas.
When I think formulas, I think Sum (Sigma).
When I think database. I think f*** how am I going to represent that?
That's the important part, think how a (slow) user would think.
Familiarity. Pretty comes second.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>wrote:
> Hi Samer,
>
> nice stuff! No longer the basic 'app'-like shape, but nice ;-) I like the
> round ones, this is a visible change. I miss the gulls less than I would
> have imagined before seeing it...
>
> Some thoughts on looking at them:
> - The symbols in the objects are well distinguishable. The presentation
> one is rounded, the others have sharp edges. Would it be possible to have
> sharp/round for all uniquely? Maybe a unique size for all, too?
> - For Impress I still would prefer the 'dia' association, a frame with the
> classic 'dia' dimensions and an open 'window' in the center, like in the
> set from Kevin two above yours.
>
> Just my thoughts (and just suggestions of course)
>
>
> On 08.07.2013 17:21, Samer Mansour wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone, took another stab:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>> AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons>
>>
>> Upon scaling down, I can tweak line thicknesses to create sharper small
>> set
>> icons, I only scaled cheap to get this draft out on the mailing list for
>> comments.
>>
>> Here are my thoughts when creating those:
>>
>> Flatter, sharper, more contrast, less gradients.
>> People mentions circle is part of the brand, note taken and implemented.
>> People mentioned too many gradients, I created this icon set back in
>> December 2012 before we were inspired by the flat idea. Gradients have
>> been
>> removed.
>> Someone mentioned shoot the birds, so I played Duck Hunt with them.
>> Someone said my icon for Impress was less than, I choose not to act on it
>> for the time being.
>> I like the oblique styling on the Sigma, that's what the person building
>> the shed wants to do.
>> Jurgen mentioned boarders too dark, I forgot to lighten them, but can in
>> future iterations.
>> Rob mentioned templates to be dotted, did it, works. And its still
>> similar
>> enough for 3.x users to transition to.
>>
>> If time is running out, we can do just the main application icon for now.
>> I'm ok with doing these for 4.1
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [stuff deleted here]
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>.
Hi Samer,
nice stuff! No longer the basic 'app'-like shape, but nice ;-) I like
the round ones, this is a visible change. I miss the gulls less than I
would have imagined before seeing it...
Some thoughts on looking at them:
- The symbols in the objects are well distinguishable. The presentation
one is rounded, the others have sharp edges. Would it be possible to
have sharp/round for all uniquely? Maybe a unique size for all, too?
- For Impress I still would prefer the 'dia' association, a frame with
the classic 'dia' dimensions and an open 'window' in the center, like in
the set from Kevin two above yours.
Just my thoughts (and just suggestions of course)
On 08.07.2013 17:21, Samer Mansour wrote:
> Hi Everyone, took another stab:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons
>
> Upon scaling down, I can tweak line thicknesses to create sharper small set
> icons, I only scaled cheap to get this draft out on the mailing list for
> comments.
>
> Here are my thoughts when creating those:
>
> Flatter, sharper, more contrast, less gradients.
> People mentions circle is part of the brand, note taken and implemented.
> People mentioned too many gradients, I created this icon set back in
> December 2012 before we were inspired by the flat idea. Gradients have been
> removed.
> Someone mentioned shoot the birds, so I played Duck Hunt with them.
> Someone said my icon for Impress was less than, I choose not to act on it
> for the time being.
> I like the oblique styling on the Sigma, that's what the person building
> the shed wants to do.
> Jurgen mentioned boarders too dark, I forgot to lighten them, but can in
> future iterations.
> Rob mentioned templates to be dotted, did it, works. And its still similar
> enough for 3.x users to transition to.
>
> If time is running out, we can do just the main application icon for now.
> I'm ok with doing these for 4.1
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Samer Mansour <sa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Everyone, took another stab:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons
Upon scaling down, I can tweak line thicknesses to create sharper small set
icons, I only scaled cheap to get this draft out on the mailing list for
comments.
Here are my thoughts when creating those:
Flatter, sharper, more contrast, less gradients.
People mentions circle is part of the brand, note taken and implemented.
People mentioned too many gradients, I created this icon set back in
December 2012 before we were inspired by the flat idea. Gradients have been
removed.
Someone mentioned shoot the birds, so I played Duck Hunt with them.
Someone said my icon for Impress was less than, I choose not to act on it
for the time being.
I like the oblique styling on the Sigma, that's what the person building
the shed wants to do.
Jurgen mentioned boarders too dark, I forgot to lighten them, but can in
future iterations.
Rob mentioned templates to be dotted, did it, works. And its still similar
enough for 3.x users to transition to.
If time is running out, we can do just the main application icon for now.
I'm ok with doing these for 4.1
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08.07.2013 09:30, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>
>> On 7/8/13 3:42 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>
>>> I think we should explore the icons with and without the gulls.
>>>
>>> Let's see what the feasible options look like before we drive towards a
>>> single solution.
>>>
>>
> I agree. This is something that should not be rushed.
>
>
> in general I would agree but I see already a tendency to icons with
>> gulls, one or two. We should focus on this.
>>
>> And if we want to introduce these icons in 4.0 we don't have time at all
>> for weeks of further exploration. The deadline was already July 1th.
>>
>
> Then I would like to propose to move the integration of the new icons to
> 4.1. That gives us enough time to select the best icon proposal, make the
> necessary changes, and integrate them into AOO. All this takes time and
> should not be done under time pressure
>
>
> I personally like Kevin's icons a bit better. Cleaner and simpler. But
> Samer's icons are also nice. Maybe we can get a mix of both?
>
> Some observations:
>
> Kevin's icon for Calc (the green one) and Samer's icon for master
> documents (or templates?, the blue one on the top left) look like older MS
> windows icons to me.
>
> Samer's icon for Math: I would prefer an upright (not oblique or cursive).
> The oblique (cursive) variant looks somehow a little strange to me. See
> also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Summation<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summation>
>
> Regards,
> Andre
>
>
>
>> But if we can agree on new icons until Wednesday and are able to provide
>> a svg for each we can try to integrate them in time. But it's of course
>> tiny.
>>
>>
>> Feedback to the icons
>> I like them but would remove the black border or at least convert it to
>> a grey one, a more soft one. And in case of templates I would do the
>> same and would remove the black line between the colored bar on top and
>> the content part below.
>>
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>
>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:09 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7 July 2013 22:56, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Samer Mansour wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
>>>>>> altering it, let me know.
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/****confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**<https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**>
>>>>>> AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons<https://**cwiki.apache.org/confluence/**
>>>>>> display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+**Desktop+Icons<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>> They are quite nice, and they fit well with the flat orb.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would keep the gull(s) since this is a distinctive feature of
>>>>> OpenOffice. I'm not sure about the black outline in the last row icons
>>>>> (those suggested for templates), it seems a bit cluttered.
>>>>>
>>>> The gulls should be like the orb, and not reduced to a single gull.
>>>> That
>>>> way the gulls becomes the theme that follow our product throughout.
>>>>
>>>> I like the icons as such.
>>>>
>>>> rgds
>>>> jan I.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Andrea.
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 08.07.2013 09:30, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 7/8/13 3:42 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>> I think we should explore the icons with and without the gulls.
>>
>> Let's see what the feasible options look like before we drive towards a single solution.
I agree. This is something that should not be rushed.
> in general I would agree but I see already a tendency to icons with
> gulls, one or two. We should focus on this.
>
> And if we want to introduce these icons in 4.0 we don't have time at all
> for weeks of further exploration. The deadline was already July 1th.
Then I would like to propose to move the integration of the new icons to
4.1. That gives us enough time to select the best icon proposal, make
the necessary changes, and integrate them into AOO. All this takes time
and should not be done under time pressure
I personally like Kevin's icons a bit better. Cleaner and simpler. But
Samer's icons are also nice. Maybe we can get a mix of both?
Some observations:
Kevin's icon for Calc (the green one) and Samer's icon for master
documents (or templates?, the blue one on the top left) look like older
MS windows icons to me.
Samer's icon for Math: I would prefer an upright (not oblique or
cursive). The oblique (cursive) variant looks somehow a little strange
to me. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summation
Regards,
Andre
>
> But if we can agree on new icons until Wednesday and are able to provide
> a svg for each we can try to integrate them in time. But it's of course
> tiny.
>
>
> Feedback to the icons
> I like them but would remove the black border or at least convert it to
> a grey one, a more soft one. And in case of templates I would do the
> same and would remove the black line between the colored bar on top and
> the content part below.
>
>
> Juergen
>
>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:09 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 July 2013 22:56, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Samer Mansour wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
>>>>> altering it, let me know.
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>>>>> AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons>
>>>> They are quite nice, and they fit well with the flat orb.
>>>>
>>>> I would keep the gull(s) since this is a distinctive feature of
>>>> OpenOffice. I'm not sure about the black outline in the last row icons
>>>> (those suggested for templates), it seems a bit cluttered.
>>> The gulls should be like the orb, and not reduced to a single gull. That
>>> way the gulls becomes the theme that follow our product throughout.
>>>
>>> I like the icons as such.
>>>
>>> rgds
>>> jan I.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrea.
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 7/8/13 3:42 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> I think we should explore the icons with and without the gulls.
>
> Let's see what the feasible options look like before we drive towards a single solution.
in general I would agree but I see already a tendency to icons with
gulls, one or two. We should focus on this.
And if we want to introduce these icons in 4.0 we don't have time at all
for weeks of further exploration. The deadline was already July 1th.
But if we can agree on new icons until Wednesday and are able to provide
a svg for each we can try to integrate them in time. But it's of course
tiny.
Feedback to the icons
I like them but would remove the black border or at least convert it to
a grey one, a more soft one. And in case of templates I would do the
same and would remove the black line between the colored bar on top and
the content part below.
Juergen
>
> Kevin
>
> On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:09 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 7 July 2013 22:56, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Samer Mansour wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
>>>> altering it, let me know.
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>>>> AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons>
>>>
>>> They are quite nice, and they fit well with the flat orb.
>>>
>>> I would keep the gull(s) since this is a distinctive feature of
>>> OpenOffice. I'm not sure about the black outline in the last row icons
>>> (those suggested for templates), it seems a bit cluttered.
>>
>> The gulls should be like the orb, and not reduced to a single gull. That
>> way the gulls becomes the theme that follow our product throughout.
>>
>> I like the icons as such.
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
>>>
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Xin Li <lx...@gmail.com>.
Hi Kevin and Samer，
Thanks for the explorations and contributions. The icons looks great! I
love them!
I prefer the flat ones which are not have gulls because they looks simple
and clear. But I also agree with Kevin that we should explore the icons
with and without the gulls.
I suggest we can have the different size for these icons, for example
16pixel/24pixel/32pixel. So that have a preview at small size.
2013/7/8 Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
> Another option would be to ditch the single gull and have a flat orb in
> the upper left corner, in its original colors. The desktop icons might need
> to be toned down a bit to not clash. Likewise for the document icons,
> which don't scale well with those gradients. (Also, when did "OpenOffice"
> get two tones. Was I sleeping?)
>
> This works to indicate that Apache OpenOffice is the associated
> application. It also works when there are other decorations, such as a
> lock or signature security indicator, other indicators that tend to be
> overlain on the lower left corner.
>
> Some do it differently, especially for large icons associated with
> documents. The format may be identified in the upper left (e.g., "PDF")
> and the associated application is indicated in the main symbol (Acrobat
> Reader). Microsoft uses generic icons for word-processing, spreadsheet,
> presentation, e-mail applications, etc. There is then a single-letter
> badge that indicates the application when it is a Microsoft associated
> format. For Apache OpenOffice having the orb as a badge on each of our
> designs serves a similar purpose.
>
>
> It occurs to me that the page surround is not needed. The larger versions
> of the inscribed symbol can be used on its own, with the orb in the corner
> of those. They might be borderless then, apart from the shape of the
> central symbol, and the page curl could go away. (Whether a simple
> document-page surround is used on large icons, such as 64-bit ones, is a
> different matter. That option remains.)
>
> The difference between a template and the document icon is pretty subtle.
> I get the tear-off from a pad of paper, but only because that is the only
> way I can explain it to myself. With uninscribed icons (other than the
> colored framing of the different symbols), maybe the difference is for the
> template graphics to be with dotted or dashed lines rather than solid.
> Just grasping at straws here.
>
> - Dennis
>
>
>
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> From: Kevin Grignon [mailto:kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 06:43 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
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> Subject: Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
>
> I think we should explore the icons with and without the gulls.
>
> Let's see what the feasible options look like before we drive towards a
> single solution.
>
> Kevin
>
> On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:09 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On 7 July 2013 22:56, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Samer Mansour wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
> >>> altering it, let me know.
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> >>> AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons<
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons>
> >>
> >> They are quite nice, and they fit well with the flat orb.
> >>
> >> I would keep the gull(s) since this is a distinctive feature of
> >> OpenOffice. I'm not sure about the black outline in the last row icons
> >> (those suggested for templates), it seems a bit cluttered.
> >
> > The gulls should be like the orb, and not reduced to a single gull. That
> > way the gulls becomes the theme that follow our product throughout.
> >
> > I like the icons as such.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrea.
> >>
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RE: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Another option would be to ditch the single gull and have a flat orb in the upper left corner, in its original colors. The desktop icons might need to be toned down a bit to not clash. Likewise for the document icons, which don't scale well with those gradients. (Also, when did "OpenOffice" get two tones. Was I sleeping?)
This works to indicate that Apache OpenOffice is the associated application. It also works when there are other decorations, such as a lock or signature security indicator, other indicators that tend to be overlain on the lower left corner.
Some do it differently, especially for large icons associated with documents. The format may be identified in the upper left (e.g., "PDF") and the associated application is indicated in the main symbol (Acrobat Reader). Microsoft uses generic icons for word-processing, spreadsheet, presentation, e-mail applications, etc. There is then a single-letter badge that indicates the application when it is a Microsoft associated format. For Apache OpenOffice having the orb as a badge on each of our designs serves a similar purpose.
It occurs to me that the page surround is not needed. The larger versions of the inscribed symbol can be used on its own, with the orb in the corner of those. They might be borderless then, apart from the shape of the central symbol, and the page curl could go away. (Whether a simple document-page surround is used on large icons, such as 64-bit ones, is a different matter. That option remains.)
The difference between a template and the document icon is pretty subtle. I get the tear-off from a pad of paper, but only because that is the only way I can explain it to myself. With uninscribed icons (other than the colored framing of the different symbols), maybe the difference is for the template graphics to be with dotted or dashed lines rather than solid. Just grasping at straws here.
- Dennis
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From: Kevin Grignon [mailto:kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 06:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
I think we should explore the icons with and without the gulls.
Let's see what the feasible options look like before we drive towards a single solution.
Kevin
On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:09 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 7 July 2013 22:56, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Samer Mansour wrote:
>>
>>> I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
>>> altering it, let me know.
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>>> AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons>
>>
>> They are quite nice, and they fit well with the flat orb.
>>
>> I would keep the gull(s) since this is a distinctive feature of
>> OpenOffice. I'm not sure about the black outline in the last row icons
>> (those suggested for templates), it seems a bit cluttered.
>
> The gulls should be like the orb, and not reduced to a single gull. That
> way the gulls becomes the theme that follow our product throughout.
>
> I like the icons as such.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
I think we should explore the icons with and without the gulls.
Let's see what the feasible options look like before we drive towards a single solution.
Kevin
On Jul 7, 2013, at 5:09 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 7 July 2013 22:56, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Samer Mansour wrote:
>>
>>> I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
>>> altering it, let me know.
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>>> AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons>
>>
>> They are quite nice, and they fit well with the flat orb.
>>
>> I would keep the gull(s) since this is a distinctive feature of
>> OpenOffice. I'm not sure about the black outline in the last row icons
>> (those suggested for templates), it seems a bit cluttered.
>
> The gulls should be like the orb, and not reduced to a single gull. That
> way the gulls becomes the theme that follow our product throughout.
>
> I like the icons as such.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 7 July 2013 22:56, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> Samer Mansour wrote:
>
>> I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
>> altering it, let me know.
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
>> AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons>
>>
>
> They are quite nice, and they fit well with the flat orb.
>
> I would keep the gull(s) since this is a distinctive feature of
> OpenOffice. I'm not sure about the black outline in the last row icons
> (those suggested for templates), it seems a bit cluttered.
>
The gulls should be like the orb, and not reduced to a single gull. That
way the gulls becomes the theme that follow our product throughout.
I like the icons as such.
rgds
jan I.
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Samer Mansour wrote:
> I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
> altering it, let me know.
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons
They are quite nice, and they fit well with the flat orb.
I would keep the gull(s) since this is a distinctive feature of
OpenOffice. I'm not sure about the black outline in the last row icons
(those suggested for templates), it seems a bit cluttered.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Samer,
Nice explorations.
Could we try a version where the the app icons are all round? This would associate the product icons with the AOO icon.
The document icons could remain square.
Finally, could we see try the icons without the birds. They are hard to render at small sizes and add noise.
Let's keep sketching ideas. Best to visualize the feasible options.
Kevin
On Jul 5, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com> wrote:
> Hi Samer,
>
> On 05.07.2013 16:03, Samer Mansour wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
>> altering it, let me know.
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons
>
> Thanks for sharing, nice stuff. As you know, I like the rectangle ones which are similar to 'App'-style ones, thus I like the 1st line :-)
>
> I saw you have changed the symbol for Impress; I think it's not too well distinguishable as Presentation app/File, I had to detect it by excluding the other ones. Would it be better to use the 'Dia' association which Kevin used, maybe with graphic objects in the dia?
>
> Sincerely,
> Armin
>
>>
>> Samer Mansour
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Kevin Grignon
>>> <ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I've updated my flat application icons design exploration to show the
>>> icons
>>>> adjacent to the new flat logo.
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons
>>>> Scroll to end of page to see the flat icons.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Kevin
>>> Hi -- I LIKE these! Very nice. Modern.
>>>
>>> I would just like to mention that a small "flat" orb icon in various sizes
>>> might also be needed to replace the images that start with "main..." in:
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/
>>>
>>> This is used on (my) Linux system(s) for the main soffice component.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> "If you stick with a vision, it might not all work,
>>> but some of it will be absolute genius."
>>> -- Kim Cattrall
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>.
Hi Samer,
On 05.07.2013 16:03, Samer Mansour wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
> altering it, let me know.
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons
Thanks for sharing, nice stuff. As you know, I like the rectangle ones
which are similar to 'App'-style ones, thus I like the 1st line :-)
I saw you have changed the symbol for Impress; I think it's not too well
distinguishable as Presentation app/File, I had to detect it by
excluding the other ones. Would it be better to use the 'Dia'
association which Kevin used, maybe with graphic objects in the dia?
Sincerely,
Armin
>
> Samer Mansour
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Kevin Grignon
>> <ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I've updated my flat application icons design exploration to show the
>> icons
>>> adjacent to the new flat logo.
>>>
>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons
>>> Scroll to end of page to see the flat icons.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kevin
>>>
>> Hi -- I LIKE these! Very nice. Modern.
>>
>> I would just like to mention that a small "flat" orb icon in various sizes
>> might also be needed to replace the images that start with "main..." in:
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/
>>
>> This is used on (my) Linux system(s) for the main soffice component.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "If you stick with a vision, it might not all work,
>> but some of it will be absolute genius."
>> -- Kim Cattrall
>>
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Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
Posted by Samer Mansour <sa...@gmail.com>.
Hey guys,
I've thrown my icon set up again if you are interested in using it or
altering it, let me know.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons
Samer Mansour
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Kevin Grignon
> <ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I've updated my flat application icons design exploration to show the
> icons
> > adjacent to the new flat logo.
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons
> >
> > Scroll to end of page to see the flat icons.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> >
>
> Hi -- I LIKE these! Very nice. Modern.
>
> I would just like to mention that a small "flat" orb icon in various sizes
> might also be needed to replace the images that start with "main..." in:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/
>
> This is used on (my) Linux system(s) for the main soffice component.
>
>
>
> --
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "If you stick with a vision, it might not all work,
> but some of it will be absolute genius."
> -- Kim Cattrall
>