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Tomcat Netbeans Project... WildCat
Everyone probably knows by now that I think Tomcat is pure magic.
I been trying to find a way to bridge the gap between the super keen user and the developer.
One can become and expert user, and still find those guru's in the dev list intimidating.
It probably isnt as big a deal for the linux user... linux itself is a development tool, but to the windows user, getting from expert user to someone that can find their way around the code is not so easy.
So what I've been up to is converting (as little as possible) Tomcat to a pure Netbeans project.
I call it Wild Cat... because it should never be confused with the professional Tomcat.
Its turning out to be a magic play zone and an excellent way to get to know the code.
This is where I'm at....
+ One can dump the src into a Netbeans project, click compile and you have a working Tomcat.
+ That means one can run it in debug, and watch it working from the inside.
+ Its tomcat 6.0.13... but is wears a Tomcat 5.5 mask... the reason I did that is so that to netbeans (remember netbeans is a servlet dev environment)... is so that if you tell Netbeans that the DIST folder or BUILD folder of WildCat is a Tomcat 5.5 server... it thinks it is, and Tomcat (Wildcat) works just the same from inside netbeans, and from the servlet dev env.
+ So... you can run your servlets against the Tomcat source... now that is cool. I havent had a chance to test it yet, but where I'm trying to get to is the ability to debug from servlet straight into Tomcat source.
+ Can also start and stop it from the Bin scripts... and one can also just double click on WildCat, and you get a GUI... and you can control it from their... the GUI also has a teminal window so you can watch the Tomcat messages.
+ Its not meant to be a slick package like tomcat... its a huge jar with 2 libs... but its a magic way to watch Tomcat working.
.... Thats as far as I've got... but I need a little help before sticking the source on a site for everyone to play with. I develop on windows... and I'm looking for a linux person that is super keen on Tomcat and also runs Netbeans. Someone that wants to play with Tomcats source and that will pick up linux problems... like scripts and I may have used a \ somewhere in the code.
Thanks... I'll stick it on a site as soon as I got it all tested.
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RE: Tomcat Netbeans Project... WildCat
Posted by Tim Lucia <ti...@yahoo.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Thomas [mailto:markt@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:31 AM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: Tomcat Netbeans Project... WildCat
>
> Johnny Kewl wrote:
> > + One can dump the src into a Netbeans project, click compile and you
> have a working Tomcat.
> Great. But you have no guarantee it will behave the same way as Tomcat
> built with the standard build script. It should be the same but be
> prepared for some odd, unexpected errors - probably around classloader
> issues.
>
> > + That means one can run it in debug, and watch it working from the
> inside.
> You can do this with the standard build. Both Eclispe and NetBeans
> support this. see http://tomcat.apache.org/faq/development.html
> Providing you configure the appropriate source files you can debug any
> combination of Tomcat, you app or any library used by Tomcat or your app.
I do this every day. You want a remote application / attach launch
configuration for Eclipse. Be sure to start the Tomcat JVM with the
-Xdebug... parameters.
Tim
>
> > I havent had a chance to test it yet, but where I'm trying to get to is
> the ability to debug from servlet straight into Tomcat source.
> This should be standard out of the box functionality. You shouldn't
> need any extras to get this working. You don't with Eclipse as your
> dev environment and I see no reason for Netbeans to be any different.
>
> Mark
>
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Re: Tomcat Netbeans Project... WildCat
Posted by Len Popp <le...@gmail.com>.
On 5/29/07, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Johnny Kewl wrote:
> > I havent had a chance to test it yet, but where I'm trying to get to is the ability to debug from servlet straight into Tomcat source.
> This should be standard out of the box functionality. You shouldn't
> need any extras to get this working. You don't with Eclipse as your
> dev environment and I see no reason for Netbeans to be any different.
It's not quite out-of-the-box IME, but quite easy to debug into Tomcat
code using Eclipse + Web Standard Tools. You have to point Eclipse at
the source code whenever prompted (just browse to
apache-tomcat-?.?.?-src.zip). Also, you may find that Eclipse doesn't
know about all the Tomcat JARs that you run into. I created a library
for these JARs in my Eclipse project, and add them as required.
Note that I'm not talking about compiling Tomcat from source, just
debugging my own apps with an existing Tomcat release. And
understanding what's going on once you're inside Tomcat is something
else entirely. :-)
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Len
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Re: Tomcat Netbeans Project... WildCat
Posted by Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com>.
On 5/30/07, Johnny Kewl <jo...@kewlstuff.co.za> wrote:
> Yes I did see this... problem I had was trying to figure out how the code
> goes into packages. That ant script pulls stuff out of jars, compiles little
> bits all over the place, and assembles other jars. I'm sure all with good
> reason, but it makes it a mission to match code and jar.
Now that the Tomcat jars are in the central Maven repo, a nice
enhancement request would be to ask the developers to provide matching
-sources and -javadoc jars.
*ducking and running from Filip*
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Re: Tomcat Netbeans Project... WildCat
Posted by Johnny Kewl <jo...@kewlstuff.co.za>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Thomas" <ma...@apache.org>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Tomcat Netbeans Project... WildCat
> Johnny Kewl wrote:
>> + One can dump the src into a Netbeans project, click compile and you
>> have a working Tomcat.
> Great. But you have no guarantee it will behave the same way as Tomcat
> built with the standard build script. It should be the same but be
> prepared for some odd, unexpected errors - probably around classloader
> issues.
This is true but it makes it so easy to watch Tomcat working and play with
it... its worth the risk I think... after all its just for experimentation
and who knows if the users find it easy, worthy contributions to tomcat must
follow... like this for example, I think the way bootstrap classloads in
6.0.X is overly complex and now redundant. See what happens when a user
starts playing with the code, cool hey.
>
>> + That means one can run it in debug, and watch it working from the
>> inside.
> You can do this with the standard build. Both Eclispe and NetBeans
> support this. see http://tomcat.apache.org/faq/development.html
> Providing you configure the appropriate source files you can debug any
> combination of Tomcat, you app or any library used by Tomcat or your app.
Yes I did see this... problem I had was trying to figure out how the code
goes into packages. That ant script pulls stuff out of jars, compiles little
bits all over the place, and assembles other jars. I'm sure all with good
reason, but it makes it a mission to match code and jar. If left to their
own devices a user will probably do what I did... jam all the code in and
make their own packages. But its a good idea, be nice if you added an ant
script that creates the source and libs needed for each netbeans project, so
that it matches Tomcat exactly... call it Dev-Cat...
Clinicly... I agree with you... but I luv playing with WildCat....
Its up... can get it at http://coolese.100free.com/wildcat.htm
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Re: Tomcat Netbeans Project... WildCat
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Johnny Kewl wrote:
> + One can dump the src into a Netbeans project, click compile and you have a working Tomcat.
Great. But you have no guarantee it will behave the same way as Tomcat
built with the standard build script. It should be the same but be
prepared for some odd, unexpected errors - probably around classloader
issues.
> + That means one can run it in debug, and watch it working from the inside.
You can do this with the standard build. Both Eclispe and NetBeans
support this. see http://tomcat.apache.org/faq/development.html
Providing you configure the appropriate source files you can debug any
combination of Tomcat, you app or any library used by Tomcat or your app.
> I havent had a chance to test it yet, but where I'm trying to get to is the ability to debug from servlet straight into Tomcat source.
This should be standard out of the box functionality. You shouldn't
need any extras to get this working. You don't with Eclipse as your
dev environment and I see no reason for Netbeans to be any different.
Mark
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Re: Tomcat Netbeans Project... WildCat
Posted by Javier Ortiz <ja...@gmail.com>.
Sounds great Sadly I don't have the linux experience you need to help.
On 5/26/07, Johnny Kewl <jo...@kewlstuff.co.za> wrote:
>
> Everyone probably knows by now that I think Tomcat is pure magic.
> I been trying to find a way to bridge the gap between the super keen user
> and the developer.
> One can become and expert user, and still find those guru's in the dev
> list intimidating.
> It probably isnt as big a deal for the linux user... linux itself is a
> development tool, but to the windows user, getting from expert user to
> someone that can find their way around the code is not so easy.
>
> So what I've been up to is converting (as little as possible) Tomcat to a
> pure Netbeans project.
> I call it Wild Cat... because it should never be confused with the
> professional Tomcat.
> Its turning out to be a magic play zone and an excellent way to get to
> know the code.
>
> This is where I'm at....
> + One can dump the src into a Netbeans project, click compile and you have
> a working Tomcat.
> + That means one can run it in debug, and watch it working from the
> inside.
> + Its tomcat 6.0.13... but is wears a Tomcat 5.5 mask... the reason I did
> that is so that to netbeans (remember netbeans is a servlet dev
> environment)... is so that if you tell Netbeans that the DIST folder or
> BUILD folder of WildCat is a Tomcat 5.5 server... it thinks it is, and
> Tomcat (Wildcat) works just the same from inside netbeans, and from the
> servlet dev env.
> + So... you can run your servlets against the Tomcat source... now that is
> cool. I havent had a chance to test it yet, but where I'm trying to get to
> is the ability to debug from servlet straight into Tomcat source.
> + Can also start and stop it from the Bin scripts... and one can also just
> double click on WildCat, and you get a GUI... and you can control it from
> their... the GUI also has a teminal window so you can watch the Tomcat
> messages.
> + Its not meant to be a slick package like tomcat... its a huge jar with 2
> libs... but its a magic way to watch Tomcat working.
>
> .... Thats as far as I've got... but I need a little help before sticking
> the source on a site for everyone to play with. I develop on windows... and
> I'm looking for a linux person that is super keen on Tomcat and also runs
> Netbeans. Someone that wants to play with Tomcats source and that will pick
> up linux problems... like scripts and I may have used a \ somewhere in the
> code.
>
> Thanks... I'll stick it on a site as soon as I got it all tested.
>
> ________________________________________________________________
>
> Johnny Kewl
> eMail: John<No Spam>kewlstuff.co.za -- replace <No Spam> with @ --
> Cell: +027-72- 473-9331
> Java Developer (Tomcat Aficionado)
> Free Tomcat software at http://coolese.100free.com/
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