Re: EJB = bad = MS.net - worrisome flow of ignorant off-topic "advice" on this board

[Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>]

Also, stop crossposting to general@jakarta.apache.org.  Pick one list or the
other, please.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Esterkin, Alex" <Al...@FMR.COM>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Cc: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net - worrisome flow of ignorant off-topic
"advice" on this board


> I hope not many enterprise applications are built using this ignorant
> 'advice'.  IBM argued against EJBs up until recently because of countless
> deficiencies in EJB container implementation in WebSphere 3.5.*.  Since
> WebSphere 4.0 introduction, they have clearly warmed up to using EJBs in
> their "best practices" white papers.
>
> As any other technology, EJBs can be abused. If one mapped a fully
> normalized DB schema consisting of 500 data tables to 500 entity beans,
this
> would be an idiotic architecture. In any case, this has nothing to do with
> MVC or Struts.
>
> I suggest members of this list stick to the main topic of discussion -
> Struts.  Struts has nothing to do with EJBs.  In a properly designed
> application, EJBs, DAOs or any other persistence related components
> shouldn't be accessed directly from presentation elements and components,
> such as JSP tags.
>
> Sticking closer to the topic of this list will allow to reduce the flow of
> postings to more reasonable levels.
>
> Best regards,
> ----------------
>    Alex Esterkin
> =============================================================
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:vic@basebeans.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:42
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Cc: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: EJB = bad = MS.net
>
>
> Home page of Jakarta has this
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
> on this:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg03376.html
>
> I agree. Doing EJBs is bad on many levels and creates more problems.
> Avoid EJB if you want to stay in Java.
>
> Alternative is to just use Struts + TomCat + RowSet (or DAO if you are
> doing something simple or small) and done. This is the sweet spot. MVC
> is all you need.
>
> Alternative, do EJBs and your organization WILL switch to MS .NET on the
> next project, leave J2EE, and you have to learn VB.net.
>
> EJBs are for newbies. (If you need middleware (very rare) use SOAP)
>
> lol,
> Vic
>
>
>
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