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Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Who now owns the website domain name?
What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a temporary
forwarder for emails to a moderator from users@openoffice.org and
discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A record and the mail server
it is easy.
My main concern stems from the fact that together they still generate
as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
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Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by Patrick Durusau <pa...@durusau.net>.
Rob,
Thanks! Still looking over the archives of discussion.
Patrick
On 11/02/2011 09:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Durusau<pa...@durusau.net> wrote:
>> Rob,
>>
>> On 11/02/2011 07:48 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Michael Adams<li...@clear.net.nz>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Who now owns the website domain name?
>>>>
>>>> What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a temporary
>>>> forwarder for emails to a moderator from users@openoffice.org and
>>>> discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A record and the mail server
>>>> it is easy.
>>>>
>>>> My main concern stems from the fact that together they still generate
>>>> as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
>>>>
>>> Have yous seen the user list traffic lately? Seems to be mainly
>>> out-of-the-office notifications and users confused about how to
>>> unsubscribe. That leads to a death spiral for a list, as more of this
>>> noise drives more people to unsubsbcribe.
>>>
>>> In any case, we need to help users resusbcribe to the new list if they
>>> want to continue participation. The old list is not coming down
>>> immediately, like this week or anything. So we have time for an
>>> orderly migration.
>>>
>> What would you suggest as an orderly migration path? From what I am reading
>> on this list, the old lists are simply going to die, following messages
>> (already sent?) that users need to re-subscribe to the @apache lists. (I
>> forebear commenting on that strategy, it is the official one and unlikely to
>> change.)
>>
> Orderly migration would be:
>
> 1) Member of the Apache OpenOffice project set up new mailing lists on
> the Apache infrastructure and assign moderators. We've done that.
>
> 2) We send out notes to the legacy OOo lists inviting them to join the
> new lists. The intent was to send two notes. The first one, which
> you've already seen, gives the background on the migration,
> instructions on how to migrate, but is not especially urgent. For
> example, we're giving no "drop dead" date on the list shut down. It
> is an early "head's up". Honestly, we don't know the exact shut down
> date yet. It really depends on Oracle. When we get a better idea of
> the exact shut down date then we'll send a more urgent note with that
> information. But it might come with little notice, maybe only a week.
>
> 3) We're also in the progress of migrating over the OOo wiki and
> website. We're close to completing that. When that is done we can
> search for all references to the legacy mailing lists and replace them
> with references to the new lists.
>
> 4) We're looking into the possibility of forwarding emails sent to the
> legacy lists to a bot that would automatically respond with a note
> pointing the user to the new lists. Debate on the ooo-dev list is how
> much we can/should automate this. If we automate too much, e.g.,
> forwarding all messages, then we're also forwarding the spam, the
> out-of-the-office notices, the "how do I unsubscribe" notes, etc.
> Personally I'd like to leave the spam behind us.
>
>> Question: Should someone ask Oracle for the subscriber list? If we had that
>> list, does Apache policy allow us to subscribe those subscribers to the new
>> Apache lists?
>>
> We've decided to take an opt-in approach, in order to avoid bringing
> over the spammers, but also in recognition of European data protection
> laws.
>
>> Would impact users' mailing filters but some things can't be helped.
>>
> Yes, users will need to update any filters in their mail client.
> That, as well as subscribing to the new list, is a one time task. I'm
> certain that most users could accomplish both tasks in less time than
> it took you to write your note, or me to respond to it ;-) Of course,
> some users may have forgotten how they set up their filters initially.
> But I'm sure if they asked for help on the new list, they would get
> good responses.
>
>
>> Hope you are having a great week!
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> PS: As an alternative, that is if Apache policy does not allow the mass
>> re-subscription approach, we could view this as an opportunity for some of
>> those interested in ODF to broadcast the move to Apache. Something suitable
>> on the homepages or similar locations of Oracle, IBM, MS and other entities
>> might be a nice touch. A little PR for Apache and getting people to notice
>> the new locations/mailing lists, etc. Something for everyone. (Above my
>> paygrade but the large vendors talk to each other all the time so I leave
>> that conversation up to them.)
>>
> We're trying to publicize it. I think the most obvious place for
> existing subscribers to hear the news is via a post to the lists.
> That should reach 100% of current list subscribers, right?
>
> We've put other notices up on the home page:
> http://www.openoffice.org When we get a better indication of the
> exact date for the list shut down it would make sense to get the
> message out there and more broadly.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>> --
>> Patrick Durusau
>> patrick@durusau.net
>> Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
>> Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
>> Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
>> Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
>>
>> Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net
>> Homepage: http://www.durusau.net
>> Twitter: patrickDurusau
>>
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Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Durusau <pa...@durusau.net> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> On 11/02/2011 07:48 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Michael Adams<li...@clear.net.nz>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Who now owns the website domain name?
>>>
>>> What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a temporary
>>> forwarder for emails to a moderator from users@openoffice.org and
>>> discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A record and the mail server
>>> it is easy.
>>>
>>> My main concern stems from the fact that together they still generate
>>> as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
>>>
>> Have yous seen the user list traffic lately? Seems to be mainly
>> out-of-the-office notifications and users confused about how to
>> unsubscribe. That leads to a death spiral for a list, as more of this
>> noise drives more people to unsubsbcribe.
>>
>> In any case, we need to help users resusbcribe to the new list if they
>> want to continue participation. The old list is not coming down
>> immediately, like this week or anything. So we have time for an
>> orderly migration.
>>
>
> What would you suggest as an orderly migration path? From what I am reading
> on this list, the old lists are simply going to die, following messages
> (already sent?) that users need to re-subscribe to the @apache lists. (I
> forebear commenting on that strategy, it is the official one and unlikely to
> change.)
>
Orderly migration would be:
1) Member of the Apache OpenOffice project set up new mailing lists on
the Apache infrastructure and assign moderators. We've done that.
2) We send out notes to the legacy OOo lists inviting them to join the
new lists. The intent was to send two notes. The first one, which
you've already seen, gives the background on the migration,
instructions on how to migrate, but is not especially urgent. For
example, we're giving no "drop dead" date on the list shut down. It
is an early "head's up". Honestly, we don't know the exact shut down
date yet. It really depends on Oracle. When we get a better idea of
the exact shut down date then we'll send a more urgent note with that
information. But it might come with little notice, maybe only a week.
3) We're also in the progress of migrating over the OOo wiki and
website. We're close to completing that. When that is done we can
search for all references to the legacy mailing lists and replace them
with references to the new lists.
4) We're looking into the possibility of forwarding emails sent to the
legacy lists to a bot that would automatically respond with a note
pointing the user to the new lists. Debate on the ooo-dev list is how
much we can/should automate this. If we automate too much, e.g.,
forwarding all messages, then we're also forwarding the spam, the
out-of-the-office notices, the "how do I unsubscribe" notes, etc.
Personally I'd like to leave the spam behind us.
> Question: Should someone ask Oracle for the subscriber list? If we had that
> list, does Apache policy allow us to subscribe those subscribers to the new
> Apache lists?
>
We've decided to take an opt-in approach, in order to avoid bringing
over the spammers, but also in recognition of European data protection
laws.
> Would impact users' mailing filters but some things can't be helped.
>
Yes, users will need to update any filters in their mail client.
That, as well as subscribing to the new list, is a one time task. I'm
certain that most users could accomplish both tasks in less time than
it took you to write your note, or me to respond to it ;-) Of course,
some users may have forgotten how they set up their filters initially.
But I'm sure if they asked for help on the new list, they would get
good responses.
> Hope you are having a great week!
>
> Patrick
>
> PS: As an alternative, that is if Apache policy does not allow the mass
> re-subscription approach, we could view this as an opportunity for some of
> those interested in ODF to broadcast the move to Apache. Something suitable
> on the homepages or similar locations of Oracle, IBM, MS and other entities
> might be a nice touch. A little PR for Apache and getting people to notice
> the new locations/mailing lists, etc. Something for everyone. (Above my
> paygrade but the large vendors talk to each other all the time so I leave
> that conversation up to them.)
>
We're trying to publicize it. I think the most obvious place for
existing subscribers to hear the news is via a post to the lists.
That should reach 100% of current list subscribers, right?
We've put other notices up on the home page:
http://www.openoffice.org When we get a better indication of the
exact date for the list shut down it would make sense to get the
message out there and more broadly.
Regards,
-Rob
> --
> Patrick Durusau
> patrick@durusau.net
> Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
> Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
> Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
> Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
>
> Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net
> Homepage: http://www.durusau.net
> Twitter: patrickDurusau
>
>
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Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by Patrick Durusau <pa...@durusau.net>.
Rob,
On 11/02/2011 07:48 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Michael Adams<li...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>> Who now owns the website domain name?
>>
>> What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a temporary
>> forwarder for emails to a moderator from users@openoffice.org and
>> discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A record and the mail server
>> it is easy.
>>
>> My main concern stems from the fact that together they still generate
>> as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
>>
> Have yous seen the user list traffic lately? Seems to be mainly
> out-of-the-office notifications and users confused about how to
> unsubscribe. That leads to a death spiral for a list, as more of this
> noise drives more people to unsubsbcribe.
>
> In any case, we need to help users resusbcribe to the new list if they
> want to continue participation. The old list is not coming down
> immediately, like this week or anything. So we have time for an
> orderly migration.
>
What would you suggest as an orderly migration path? From what I am
reading on this list, the old lists are simply going to die, following
messages (already sent?) that users need to re-subscribe to the @apache
lists. (I forebear commenting on that strategy, it is the official one
and unlikely to change.)
Question: Should someone ask Oracle for the subscriber list? If we had
that list, does Apache policy allow us to subscribe those subscribers to
the new Apache lists?
Would impact users' mailing filters but some things can't be helped.
Hope you are having a great week!
Patrick
PS: As an alternative, that is if Apache policy does not allow the mass
re-subscription approach, we could view this as an opportunity for some
of those interested in ODF to broadcast the move to Apache. Something
suitable on the homepages or similar locations of Oracle, IBM, MS and
other entities might be a nice touch. A little PR for Apache and getting
people to notice the new locations/mailing lists, etc. Something for
everyone. (Above my paygrade but the large vendors talk to each other
all the time so I leave that conversation up to them.)
--
Patrick Durusau
patrick@durusau.net
Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net
Homepage: http://www.durusau.net
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Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by Michael Adams <li...@clear.net.nz>.
On Friday 04 November 2011 09:47, Michael Adams wrote:
> On Thursday 03 November 2011 00:48, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Michael Adams
>
> <li...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> > > Who now owns the website domain name?
> > >
> > > What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a
> > > temporary forwarder for emails to a moderator from
> > > users@openoffice.org and discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the
> > > A record and the mail server it is easy.
> > >
> > > My main concern stems from the fact that together they still
> > > generate as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
> >
> > Have yous seen the user list traffic lately? Seems to be mainly
> > out-of-the-office notifications and users confused about how to
> > unsubscribe. That leads to a death spiral for a list, as more of
> > this noise drives more people to unsubsbcribe.
>
> This months threads to date:
> * One auto responder repeated three times
> * One email advising the list is being replaced
> * Six query threads
>
> Auto responders were always a pain to to the excessively low
> threshold to entry placed on the public OO.o lists i.e. no
> subscription necessary.
Correction ... a pain due to ...
> > In any case, we need to help users resusbcribe to the new list if
> > they want to continue participation. The old list is not coming
> > down immediately, like this week or anything. So we have time
> > for an orderly migration.
--
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Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by Michael Adams <li...@clear.net.nz>.
On Thursday 03 November 2011 00:48, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Michael Adams
<li...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> > Who now owns the website domain name?
> >
> > What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a
> > temporary forwarder for emails to a moderator from
> > users@openoffice.org and discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A
> > record and the mail server it is easy.
> >
> > My main concern stems from the fact that together they still
> > generate as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
>
> Have yous seen the user list traffic lately? Seems to be mainly
> out-of-the-office notifications and users confused about how to
> unsubscribe. That leads to a death spiral for a list, as more of
> this noise drives more people to unsubsbcribe.
This months threads to date:
* One auto responder repeated three times
* One email advising the list is being replaced
* Six query threads
Auto responders were always a pain to to the excessively low threshold
to entry placed on the public OO.o lists i.e. no subscription
necessary.
> In any case, we need to help users resusbcribe to the new list if
> they want to continue participation. The old list is not coming
> down immediately, like this week or anything. So we have time for
> an orderly migration.
--
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Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Michael Adams <li...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>
> Who now owns the website domain name?
>
> What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a temporary
> forwarder for emails to a moderator from users@openoffice.org and
> discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A record and the mail server
> it is easy.
>
> My main concern stems from the fact that together they still generate
> as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
>
Have yous seen the user list traffic lately? Seems to be mainly
out-of-the-office notifications and users confused about how to
unsubscribe. That leads to a death spiral for a list, as more of this
noise drives more people to unsubsbcribe.
In any case, we need to help users resusbcribe to the new list if they
want to continue participation. The old list is not coming down
immediately, like this week or anything. So we have time for an
orderly migration.
-Rob
> --
> Michael
>
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Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
On 11/2/2011 3:09 AM, Michael Adams wrote:
>
> Who now owns the website domain name?
Oracle has both legally and technically transferred ownership of the
openoffice.org domain, related domain names, and the various registered
trademarks and brands associated with OpenOffice.org to the Apache
Software Foundation. The Apache OpenOffice podling's Project Management
Committee is now the group in charge of managing these services, and
they are working on creating a new build of the new product which (I
think) will be called Apache OpenOffice.
The immediate issue is that Oracle has begun shutting down some of the
servers provided to run openoffice.org services, so the Apache
OpenOffice podling is working to ensure there's an Apache-hosted version
of any services (like mailing lists) that we still want to maintain.
> What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a temporary
> forwarder for emails to a moderator from users@openoffice.org and
> discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A record and the mail server
> it is easy.
This doesn't really help, since the fundamental strategy for any Apache
project is to use apache.org domains for it's work.
For more specific information on the details of how mailing lists are
being migrated (or merged, or deleted as the case may be) folks should
look at the planning wiki for the AOOo (Apache OpenOffice.org) podling:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Mailing+lists
- Shane
Apache OpenOffice podling Mentor
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RE: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <or...@msn.com>.
As the author of both quoted messages, I want to point out that the ooo-dev
discussion thread addresses both mailing list shut-down and the
mostly-separate problem of the forwarding service for e-mail addresses on the
lines of myname@ openoffice.org. The thread has since moved on (and I am
behind in my reading there, so shall not comment).
Also, while I stated the going in assumptions in my first message, it would be
useful to note that the ensuing thread is more dynamic and varied than that.
For example, more is now known about what Apache infrastructure might be able
to support, given the availability of suitably-prepared volunteers from among
the project members.
If you are going to selectively quote without attribution, please provide
links to the complete messages so that others can find the full conversation
if they so desire.
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terauck-aoousers@yahoo.com.au]
<
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Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 02:52
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Hi. I have been following the ooo-dev list (not reading all emails of course)
and there is a current topic about shutting down the old mailing lists. If
you want an atom feed, this is the link:
http://markmail.org/atom/ooo-dev+list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-dev
This is the an extract from the last email showing in my feed in Google
Reader:
[quote]
<http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201111.mbox/%3c011d01cc9914$28309550$7891bff0$@apache.org%3e>
Let's get clear:
1. If someone posts to one of the old e-mail list addresses (e.g.,
use...@openoffice.org), what is intended to happen? What is the observed
behavior? How does this extend to use
of -subscribe, -unsubscribe, -help, -owner (or their OO.o counterparts), etc.
?
2. (a) If someone sends an e-mail to an existing account/e-mail address
(e.g., orc...@openoffice.org), what is intended to happen? What does the
individual that it current forwards to get to know or do about it? The person
sending the e-mail? If the forwarding bounces, what will happen? (b) If the
account is closed/deleted, what are the 2(a) answers. [close quote]
My recollection is that an email was to be sent to the old lists telling
people which new list they could subscribe to.
This is an extract from the first email in the current thread on ooo-dev:
[quote]
<http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201111.mbox/%3c016101cc98b7$bacd0fe0$30672fa0$@apache.org%3e>
There are problems concerning migration of yourname@ openoffice.org, listname@
openoffice.org, and servicename@ openoffice.org. Consequently, all yourname@
openoffice.org addresses will be shut down when the migration goes into its
final stages sometime in November.
[close quote]
Regards, Terry
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> From: Mike Scott <mi...@scottsonline.org.uk>
<
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> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
>
> On 02/11/11 07:09, Michael Adams wrote:
<
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-users/201111.mbox/%3c201111022009.55076.linux_mike@clear.net.nz%3e>
>>
>> Who now owns the website domain name?
>>
>> What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a temporary
>> forwarder for emails to a moderator from users@openoffice.org and
>> discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A record and the mail server
>> it is easy.
>
> As you suggest, technically easy. But would it be desirable?
>
> There's already been quite a long notice period, and evidently people
> haven't switched over -- providing a "temporary" forwarding
> facility would only prolong the agony, as I reckon a goodly number of people
> will switch when and only when they're forced to, and not before. I'd
> rather see an autoreply from the old list address asking people to
> resubscribe.
>
>>
>> My main concern stems from the fact that together they still generate
>> as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
>
> Maybe there's some doubt in some people's minds as to which is the
> better list to get a needed answer from, so they stick to the tried and
> trusted.
> Besides, I could name at least one sufferer of 'chronic novophobia' :-)
>
>
>
> -- Mike Scott
> Harlow, Essex, England
>
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Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
Hi. I have been following the ooo-dev list (not reading all emails of course) and there is a current topic about shutting down the old mailing lists. If you want an atom feed, this is the link: http://markmail.org/atom/ooo-dev+list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-dev
This is the an extract from the last email showing in my feed in Google Reader:
[quote]
Let's get clear:
1. If someone posts to one of the old e-mail list addresses (e.g.,
use...@openoffice.org), what is intended to happen? What is the observed
behavior? How does this extend to use
of -subscribe, -unsubscribe, -help, -owner (or their OO.o counterparts), etc.
?
2. (a) If someone sends an e-mail to an existing account/e-mail address
(e.g., orc...@openoffice.org), what is intended to happen? What does the
individual that it current forwards to get to know or do about it? The person
sending the e-mail? If the forwarding bounces, what will happen? (b) If the account is closed/deleted, what are the 2(a) answers. [close quote]
My recollection is that an email was to be sent to the old lists telling people which new list they could subscribe to.
This is an extract from the first email in the current thread on ooo-dev:
[quote]
There are problems concerning migration of yourname@ openoffice.org, listname@
openoffice.org, and servicename@ openoffice.org. Consequently, all yourname@
openoffice.org addresses will be shut down when the migration goes into its
final stages sometime in November.
[close quote]
Regards, Terry
----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Scott <mi...@scottsonline.org.uk>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
>
> On 02/11/11 07:09, Michael Adams wrote:
>>
>> Who now owns the website domain name?
>>
>> What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a temporary
>> forwarder for emails to a moderator from users@openoffice.org and
>> discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A record and the mail server
>> it is easy.
>
> As you suggest, technically easy. But would it be desirable?
>
> There's already been quite a long notice period, and evidently people
> haven't switched over -- providing a "temporary" forwarding
> facility would only prolong the agony, as I reckon a goodly number of people
> will switch when and only when they're forced to, and not before. I'd
> rather see an autoreply from the old list address asking people to resubscribe.
>
>>
>> My main concern stems from the fact that together they still generate
>> as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
>
> Maybe there's some doubt in some people's minds as to which is the
> better list to get a needed answer from, so they stick to the tried and trusted.
> Besides, I could name at least one sufferer of 'chronic novophobia' :-)
>
>
>
> -- Mike Scott
> Harlow, Essex, England
>
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Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by Michael Adams <li...@clear.net.nz>.
On Wednesday 02 November 2011 21:17, Mike Scott wrote:
> On 02/11/11 07:09, Michael Adams wrote:
> > Who now owns the website domain name?
> >
> > What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a
> > temporary forwarder for emails to a moderator from
> > users@openoffice.org and discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A
> > record and the mail server it is easy.
>
> As you suggest, technically easy. But would it be desirable?
>
> There's already been quite a long notice period, and evidently
> people haven't switched over -- providing a "temporary" forwarding
> facility would only prolong the agony, as I reckon a goodly number
> of people will switch when and only when they're forced to, and not
> before. I'd rather see an autoreply from the old list address
> asking people to resubscribe.
In my own experience many newbies are/were seeing those old lists
as 'company' support (quite wrongly due to lack of understanding of
OSS community structure). When i write to support at a website often
an email from a different email address returns. I then start using
that email address as that person knows my case unless i am asked to
reply-to: the support address.
> > My main concern stems from the fact that together they still
> > generate as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
>
> Maybe there's some doubt in some people's minds as to which is the
> better list to get a needed answer from, so they stick to the tried
> and trusted. Besides, I could name at least one sufferer of
> 'chronic novophobia' :-)
Many threads are from those that ask periodic infrequent questions. "I
got good help here in the past, I now have another issue". They were
often unsubscribed querants, as that was how the lists were, rightly
or wrongly, set up.
--
Michael
I laughed so hard that tears ran down my leg.
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Re: Old OO.o Mailing Lists
Posted by Mike Scott <mi...@scottsonline.org.uk>.
On 02/11/11 07:09, Michael Adams wrote:
>
> Who now owns the website domain name?
>
> What i am really asking is, how easy would it be to set up a temporary
> forwarder for emails to a moderator from users@openoffice.org and
> discuss@openoffice.org. If you own the A record and the mail server
> it is easy.
As you suggest, technically easy. But would it be desirable?
There's already been quite a long notice period, and evidently people
haven't switched over -- providing a "temporary" forwarding facility
would only prolong the agony, as I reckon a goodly number of people will
switch when and only when they're forced to, and not before. I'd rather
see an autoreply from the old list address asking people to resubscribe.
>
> My main concern stems from the fact that together they still generate
> as much if not more mail/queries than this list.
Maybe there's some doubt in some people's minds as to which is the
better list to get a needed answer from, so they stick to the tried and
trusted. Besides, I could name at least one sufferer of 'chronic
novophobia' :-)
--
Mike Scott
Harlow, Essex, England
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