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Posted to users@cloudstack.apache.org by William Alianto <wi...@xofap.com> on 2017/11/09 04:11:10 UTC
HA Storage Solution
Hi,
I'm currently still learning about ACS deployment. I have seen about the solution for HA management server and hypervisor, but I still don't know how to create HA storage cluster for Primary and Secondary storage. I would think of making HA NFS storage using HA proxy or maybe using something like Ceph Cluster. Would there be any better option for the HA storage solution?
--
Regards,
William
Re: HA Storage Solution
Posted by Rafael Weingärtner <ra...@gmail.com>.
To add some extra information regarding this matter; it is not just a
matter of ACS supporting other technologies such as Gluster; hypervisors
need to support the storage type in order to enable ACS to expose its
configuration to users.
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Rubens Malheiro <rubens.malheiro@gmail.com
> wrote:
> I believe the best solution for replication is GlusterFS, I have a working
> although I can never make cloudstack operate natively I use glusterfs and
> nfs-ganesha
> I'm sorry, my english
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 7:48 AM, William Alianto <wi...@xofap.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sorry for the late reply. So I summarized that NFS with DRDB is enough
> for
> > POC purpose but not recommended for large scale production, where ceph
> > would be more suitable.
> >
> > Thanks for the insight for this problem.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > William
> >
> >
> > On 09-Nov-17 19:28:49, Ivan Kudryavtsev <ku...@bw-sw.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi. I wouldn't recommend go with HA NFS, because you have to use it in
> sync
> > mode which leads to poor performance.
> >
> > I suggest using ceph with ssd (or even optane for log devices), because
> > it's the thing which is supposed to be clustered and kvm "knows" how to
> use
> > it properly and handle node outages via librados.
> >
> > But, still, nfs sync over drbd and keepalived should work, but not a
> > scalable solution, of course.
> >
> > 9 нояб. 2017 г. 19:10 пользователь "Makrand"
> > написал:
> >
> > > Hi William,
> > >
> > > The HA capabilities for storage are offered by OS/Vendor you're using
> for
> > > storage. Different projects use a different solution for storage HA.
> (HA
> > > mostly a paid/premium affair). e.g. for one of the zone, we are using
> > LUNs
> > > coming from Hitachi storage array. Hitachi array is the
> enterprise-class
> > > thing which has HA built in.
> > >
> > > If you're just starting and want to test things. I would recommend
> using
> > > something like FreeNAS. This software-defined storage that caters ZFS.
> > ZFS
> > > offers a software RAID and has lots of features. Plus you can get both
> > > NFS/iSCSI.
> > >
> > > If you're having time in hand, try DRBD (DRBD just replicates the
> blocks
> > > from disk to disk over the network). You create highly available NFS
> (ACS
> > > supports both primary and sec on NFS. Just make sure you have
> sufficient
> > > network bandwidth between hypervisor hosts and storage system) cluster
> > > using DRBD on Linux. This would be a bit time consuming to set up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Makrand
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:41 AM, William Alianto wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm currently still learning about ACS deployment. I have seen about
> > the
> > > > solution for HA management server and hypervisor, but I still don't
> > know
> > > > how to create HA storage cluster for Primary and Secondary storage. I
> > > would
> > > > think of making HA NFS storage using HA proxy or maybe using
> something
> > > like
> > > > Ceph Cluster. Would there be any better option for the HA storage
> > > solution?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > William
> > >
> >
>
--
Rafael Weingärtner
Re: HA Storage Solution
Posted by Rubens Malheiro <ru...@gmail.com>.
I believe the best solution for replication is GlusterFS, I have a working
although I can never make cloudstack operate natively I use glusterfs and
nfs-ganesha
I'm sorry, my english
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 7:48 AM, William Alianto <wi...@xofap.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for the late reply. So I summarized that NFS with DRDB is enough for
> POC purpose but not recommended for large scale production, where ceph
> would be more suitable.
>
> Thanks for the insight for this problem.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> William
>
>
> On 09-Nov-17 19:28:49, Ivan Kudryavtsev <ku...@bw-sw.com> wrote:
> Hi. I wouldn't recommend go with HA NFS, because you have to use it in sync
> mode which leads to poor performance.
>
> I suggest using ceph with ssd (or even optane for log devices), because
> it's the thing which is supposed to be clustered and kvm "knows" how to use
> it properly and handle node outages via librados.
>
> But, still, nfs sync over drbd and keepalived should work, but not a
> scalable solution, of course.
>
> 9 нояб. 2017 г. 19:10 пользователь "Makrand"
> написал:
>
> > Hi William,
> >
> > The HA capabilities for storage are offered by OS/Vendor you're using for
> > storage. Different projects use a different solution for storage HA. (HA
> > mostly a paid/premium affair). e.g. for one of the zone, we are using
> LUNs
> > coming from Hitachi storage array. Hitachi array is the enterprise-class
> > thing which has HA built in.
> >
> > If you're just starting and want to test things. I would recommend using
> > something like FreeNAS. This software-defined storage that caters ZFS.
> ZFS
> > offers a software RAID and has lots of features. Plus you can get both
> > NFS/iSCSI.
> >
> > If you're having time in hand, try DRBD (DRBD just replicates the blocks
> > from disk to disk over the network). You create highly available NFS (ACS
> > supports both primary and sec on NFS. Just make sure you have sufficient
> > network bandwidth between hypervisor hosts and storage system) cluster
> > using DRBD on Linux. This would be a bit time consuming to set up.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Makrand
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:41 AM, William Alianto wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm currently still learning about ACS deployment. I have seen about
> the
> > > solution for HA management server and hypervisor, but I still don't
> know
> > > how to create HA storage cluster for Primary and Secondary storage. I
> > would
> > > think of making HA NFS storage using HA proxy or maybe using something
> > like
> > > Ceph Cluster. Would there be any better option for the HA storage
> > solution?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > William
> >
>
Re: HA Storage Solution
Posted by William Alianto <wi...@xofap.com>.
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply. So I summarized that NFS with DRDB is enough for POC purpose but not recommended for large scale production, where ceph would be more suitable.
Thanks for the insight for this problem.
--
Regards,
William
On 09-Nov-17 19:28:49, Ivan Kudryavtsev <ku...@bw-sw.com> wrote:
Hi. I wouldn't recommend go with HA NFS, because you have to use it in sync
mode which leads to poor performance.
I suggest using ceph with ssd (or even optane for log devices), because
it's the thing which is supposed to be clustered and kvm "knows" how to use
it properly and handle node outages via librados.
But, still, nfs sync over drbd and keepalived should work, but not a
scalable solution, of course.
9 нояб. 2017 г. 19:10 пользователь "Makrand"
написал:
> Hi William,
>
> The HA capabilities for storage are offered by OS/Vendor you're using for
> storage. Different projects use a different solution for storage HA. (HA
> mostly a paid/premium affair). e.g. for one of the zone, we are using LUNs
> coming from Hitachi storage array. Hitachi array is the enterprise-class
> thing which has HA built in.
>
> If you're just starting and want to test things. I would recommend using
> something like FreeNAS. This software-defined storage that caters ZFS. ZFS
> offers a software RAID and has lots of features. Plus you can get both
> NFS/iSCSI.
>
> If you're having time in hand, try DRBD (DRBD just replicates the blocks
> from disk to disk over the network). You create highly available NFS (ACS
> supports both primary and sec on NFS. Just make sure you have sufficient
> network bandwidth between hypervisor hosts and storage system) cluster
> using DRBD on Linux. This would be a bit time consuming to set up.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Makrand
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:41 AM, William Alianto wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm currently still learning about ACS deployment. I have seen about the
> > solution for HA management server and hypervisor, but I still don't know
> > how to create HA storage cluster for Primary and Secondary storage. I
> would
> > think of making HA NFS storage using HA proxy or maybe using something
> like
> > Ceph Cluster. Would there be any better option for the HA storage
> solution?
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > William
>
Re: HA Storage Solution
Posted by Ivan Kudryavtsev <ku...@bw-sw.com>.
Hi. I wouldn't recommend go with HA NFS, because you have to use it in sync
mode which leads to poor performance.
I suggest using ceph with ssd (or even optane for log devices), because
it's the thing which is supposed to be clustered and kvm "knows" how to use
it properly and handle node outages via librados.
But, still, nfs sync over drbd and keepalived should work, but not a
scalable solution, of course.
9 нояб. 2017 г. 19:10 пользователь "Makrand" <ma...@gmail.com>
написал:
> Hi William,
>
> The HA capabilities for storage are offered by OS/Vendor you're using for
> storage. Different projects use a different solution for storage HA. (HA
> mostly a paid/premium affair). e.g. for one of the zone, we are using LUNs
> coming from Hitachi storage array. Hitachi array is the enterprise-class
> thing which has HA built in.
>
> If you're just starting and want to test things. I would recommend using
> something like FreeNAS. This software-defined storage that caters ZFS. ZFS
> offers a software RAID and has lots of features. Plus you can get both
> NFS/iSCSI.
>
> If you're having time in hand, try DRBD (DRBD just replicates the blocks
> from disk to disk over the network). You create highly available NFS (ACS
> supports both primary and sec on NFS. Just make sure you have sufficient
> network bandwidth between hypervisor hosts and storage system) cluster
> using DRBD on Linux. This would be a bit time consuming to set up.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Makrand
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:41 AM, William Alianto <wi...@xofap.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm currently still learning about ACS deployment. I have seen about the
> > solution for HA management server and hypervisor, but I still don't know
> > how to create HA storage cluster for Primary and Secondary storage. I
> would
> > think of making HA NFS storage using HA proxy or maybe using something
> like
> > Ceph Cluster. Would there be any better option for the HA storage
> solution?
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > William
>
Re: HA Storage Solution
Posted by Makrand <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi William,
The HA capabilities for storage are offered by OS/Vendor you're using for
storage. Different projects use a different solution for storage HA. (HA
mostly a paid/premium affair). e.g. for one of the zone, we are using LUNs
coming from Hitachi storage array. Hitachi array is the enterprise-class
thing which has HA built in.
If you're just starting and want to test things. I would recommend using
something like FreeNAS. This software-defined storage that caters ZFS. ZFS
offers a software RAID and has lots of features. Plus you can get both
NFS/iSCSI.
If you're having time in hand, try DRBD (DRBD just replicates the blocks
from disk to disk over the network). You create highly available NFS (ACS
supports both primary and sec on NFS. Just make sure you have sufficient
network bandwidth between hypervisor hosts and storage system) cluster
using DRBD on Linux. This would be a bit time consuming to set up.
--
Makrand
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:41 AM, William Alianto <wi...@xofap.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm currently still learning about ACS deployment. I have seen about the
> solution for HA management server and hypervisor, but I still don't know
> how to create HA storage cluster for Primary and Secondary storage. I would
> think of making HA NFS storage using HA proxy or maybe using something like
> Ceph Cluster. Would there be any better option for the HA storage solution?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> William